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For how long will Mohammad Amir continue to get a free pass?

Was our best bowler most recently on the SA tour.

And, will be our best bowler in the World Cup too, just like the CT.

Temporary blip in stats doesn't mean anything. That too for meaningless JAMODIs. Class is permanent.

best bowler on in recent test series shouldn't necessarily be in ODI team, especially if you consider his recent 12 ODIs performances.

Moreover, he wasn't our best bowler in CT17. He was best bowler in CT17 Final only. overall Hassan Ali was our best bowler.
2 years of mediocre performances can't be termed as temporary blip.
 
The destructive Amir that we know will be back.

Even when he's not taking wickets, he can contain and choke the opposition.

Much much better than Junaid Khan and Usman "short and wide 90+mph pies" Shinwari.

He has just lost his mother and it seems he is a bit down on morale and temperament. Azhar has to iron out his mental side of bowling because skillwise he is right up there and we know it.
 
So, my fellow PPers, this is what the thread is about.

Now y'all can chill and see what the OP really wanted. :najam

An out of form Amir is still 100x better than a brainless, skill-less Shinwari.

There is no out of form Amir, this is Amir in reality. Brainless Skill less Shinwari still has more wickets than Amir in the recent past so your claim of 100x better has no reasonable justifiable basis. But then again you were a huge Misbah ul Haq fan so not surprised one bit by your lack of standards
 
Was our best bowler most recently on the SA tour.

And, will be our best bowler in the World Cup too, just like the CT.

Temporary blip in stats doesn't mean anything. That too for meaningless JAMODIs. Class is permanent.

Firstly, I am talking primarily about ODIs here. He averaged 51, while Shaheen averaged 23 and Usman averaged 25 in South Africa.

Hasan Ali was Man of the Tournament in CT17. Making things up does nothing for your case.
 
What a fall from grace. Dropped second match of a series for an 18 year old kid with no LA experience.
 
What a fall from grace. Dropped second match of a series for an 18 year old kid with no LA experience.

Hopefully a wake-up call and the realisation that he is not an automatic pick.
 
I don't deny Amir performs magnificently when Pakistan has 360 runs to defend or when the ball is swinging banana crazy, but then those days are few and far between.

That is not to say Shinwari is the answer.

But you have to look above the crooked spectacles and sometimes look beyond a match or two, to see what is happening with Pakistan's premier bowler in most games.

He has struggled a bit on lifeless UAE pitches, that I agree with.

But, it doesn't concern me a lot. He's our match winner outside the UAE, and we soon will be shifting outside the UAE anyway. Besides, if he's not able to improve much in the UAE in an year or two, we can also play a different type of bowler for UAE matches.

What matters right now is he'll be our premier bowler at the World Cup.
 
best bowler on in recent test series shouldn't necessarily be in ODI team, especially if you consider his recent 12 ODIs performances.

Moreover, he wasn't our best bowler in CT17. He was best bowler in CT17 Final only. overall Hassan Ali was our best bowler.
2 years of mediocre performances can't be termed as temporary blip.

Firstly, I am talking primarily about ODIs here. He averaged 51, while Shaheen averaged 23 and Usman averaged 25 in South Africa.

Hasan Ali was Man of the Tournament in CT17. Making things up does nothing for your case.

And Hasan Ali has been really really bad lately in internationals. Does that mean he's not one of our top bowlers anymore?

It doesn't work like that.

Amir is our match winner, leader of the attack and you'll see him again at the world cup. Just like he won us the CT final.

Meaningless UAE jamodi stats don't mean much, when he's a proven performer and our most skilled bowler.

Azhar Mahmood is also bringing down our bowling - needs to be sacked ASAP.
 
And Hasan Ali has been really really bad lately in internationals. Does that mean he's not one of our top bowlers anymore?

It doesn't work like that.

Amir is our match winner, leader of the attack and you'll see him again at the world cup. Just like he won us the CT final.

Meaningless UAE jamodi stats don't mean much, when he's a proven performer and our most skilled bowler.

Azhar Mahmood is also bringing down our bowling - needs to be sacked ASAP.

Amir has been trundling in the 130s for a long time now. Worrying signs, and he is not entitled to a free pass just because of his CT final spell and the fact that he might put in a greater effort on pitches he finds more bowler friendly.

As far as Hasan Ali is concerned, although he had a poor 2018 in ODIs, averaging 34, there is no real comparison between that and Amir's shocking average of 129 in his last 12 ODIs. Anyway, Amir's career average is close to 33, which is not much better than Hasan's mediocre average in 2018.
 
And Hasan Ali has been really really bad lately in internationals. Does that mean he's not one of our top bowlers anymore?

It doesn't work like that.

Amir is our match winner, leader of the attack and you'll see him again at the world cup. Just like he won us the CT final.

Meaningless UAE jamodi stats don't mean much, when he's a proven performer and our most skilled bowler.

Azhar Mahmood is also bringing down our bowling - needs to be sacked ASAP.

plz remind me how many matches amir has won us since his comeback from ban?

as for Hassan, he has some bad form with the ball but that isn't since past couple of years like amir. btw with his bad form he is still bowling better than amir.
 
Amir will play at the start of the WC and if he looks as innocuous like he has done for the last few years he will be jettisoned.
 
You give your only world class bowler as much chance to get back into form as you can.
I can feel the agenda going on here.
How many catches have been dropped off his bowling since his come back?
He is depressed and don't have hunger because he is up against his own cricket fans. Sad!
 
You give your only world class bowler as much chance to get back into form as you can.
I can feel the agenda going on here.
How many catches have been dropped off his bowling since his come back?
He is depressed and don't have hunger because he is up against his own cricket fans. Sad!

Not sure why the fans are to be blamed. Amir should thank his lucky stars that we supported him despite his dark past.

Amir has failed big time.
 
They will want him for the World Cup, the Champions Trophy effect
 
He has an average of 38 in England.

Maybe but I would take the risk to play him in the WC because he can be a game changer if the pitch conditions allow. He's done it in the past and he can surely do it again. Not to mention our bench strength is as weak as it comes.
 
Maybe but I would take the risk to play him in the WC because he can be a game changer if the pitch conditions allow. He's done it in the past and he can surely do it again. Not to mention our bench strength is as weak as it comes.

He's worse than every Pakistan bowler right now how can he change the game ? Conditions in England are extremely flat you need bowlers who are wicket takers not non performing favourites of Mickey. Junaid,Shaheen and Hasan must be our first choice attack and Rumman,Sadaf should be as backup. Amir is nowhere near these bowlers right now..People should stop expecting anything from him now just because he's amir. He was amir in the last 12-15 ODIs too and his bowling avg is 130 worst in the world
 
shaheen is what we wanted amir to be like... amir is going the route of sami minus the pace

Hasan
Shaheen
Junaid
Hasnain
Rumman

this lot should be our pacers for the World Cup.
 
A few numbers.

Last 12 ODIs:

Overs 87
Maidens 8
Runs conceded 388
Wickets 3
Average 129.33

And therein lies the problem. This is not poor form, it is dreadful form. As in, it is as bad as a strike bowler can get. How can you select someone with stats that poor over such a long period of time?
 
Pace has reduced, yorkers are a rare sight, rarely beats the bat, swing is hardly seen, seam movement is only seen occasionally.

A pale shadow of the bowler he should be.
 
Pace has reduced, yorkers are a rare sight, rarely beats the bat, swing is hardly seen, seam movement is only seen occasionally.

A pale shadow of the bowler he should be.


Completely correct, Saj. I don't say that he's "finished" per se. But he has taken three wickets in thirteen games. Taking him to the World Cup would be madness.
 
Make him watch his old videos and comments of former greats and let him do his soul-searching.

He needs to know we all had many hopes from him and what has he given us.

And please do not mention his spell against India in 2017.

It is 2019 now, Pakistan had to bear Wahab for almost two years because of his one spell that he bowled against Watson in CWC 15.

Pakistan Cricket Team can’t afford to suffer again in such an important year.

Seems to be not interested while playing for his nation.

This is not acceptable for a player with a caliber like he has.

For the sake of Pakistan Cricket, he needs to get his act right.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur "Mohammad Amir’s form is a worry and nobody is more worried than Amir. I still think he is an incredibly skilled bowler and has all the attributes to be successful. He has got a big match temperament and we will see how we use him going forward" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110566108397031425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mickey Arthur "Mohammad Amir’s form is a worry and nobody is more worried than Amir. I still think he is an incredibly skilled bowler and has all the attributes to be successful. He has got a big match temperament and we will see how we use him going forward" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110566108397031425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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What big match temprament? Its over stated. Someone who is horribly inconsistent cannot have big match temprament, let me know when he bowls Pakistan to victory defending 150 runs which the likes of Wasim and Waqar used to do.
 
The guy has been living off that England Series in 2010 which mind you was played on one of the greenest wickets in English History and even the coach back then commented in the middle of the series Waqar Younis that in his entire life he had never seen an entire English Season where the wickets completely suited the bowlers.

Even RP Singh has demolished England and looked like a legend in English Bowling Conditions.

Barring that Eng series in 2010, Amir has had nothing to show in his entire career. That spell against India in the Asia Cup T-20 2016 didn't win Pakistan the game, that CT final spell came after we posted 360 runs in the final. The guy has remained impactless in all PSL Tournaments.

For how long will he continue to play game after game, opening the bowling and remain wicket less while the likes of even the mediocre Faheem Ashraf picks up a wicket and Mohd Abbas too picks up a wicket while remaining economical.

Pakistan has got to be fairer to the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Usman Shinwari and co who get benched after 1-2 bad games while Amir continues to play game after game regardless of wickets.

The attitude of "Atleast he keeps things tight" is what has bought us to this state today.

I think highly of you as a poster but when you bring up inferior options to Amir it's hard to take this post seriously. To be frank, this comes across as a comical witch hunt against him, if anything.

Amir deserved to be dropped in the latter half of last year for his lack of wickets but funnily enough when I mentioned this to another poster, I was accused of having an agenda against him and told I had "deep hatred in my heart". I would rather have Amir than any of the other 4 names you mentioned because he does have a good track record in ICC tournaments and has shown numerous times in the past, he keeps calm on the big stage especially in those high stake clashes as displayed:

In the 2009 WT20 his wicket maiden over in the first over of final with the dismissal of Dilshan arguably won Pakistan that game because he was the leading run scorer and on a roll during that tournament. Later that year his bowling was yet again pivotal in the CT when he removed Tendulkar with another superb display with the ball in hand. He excelled again in the 2017 CT final when he removed the top 3 on a batting paradise, despite this you decide to belittle this achievement citing RP Singh, who actually bowled in contrasting conditions.

Having said that if there were superior options at a similar calibre to say Shaheen, then I would I would also be equally disgusted to see him in the XI, but we have to settle with the best we have. What I do like about Amir is the fact that he's generally been very economical and someone who can be relied upon on to defend a total when the opposition say for e.g. is need of 90+ runs in the last 10 overs. His T20I economy rate is a testament of how skilled he is as a defensive bowler. I appreciate he shouldn't be there solely for this purpose but the fact of the matter is there is nothing going for Junaid, Wahab, Rahat or Shinwari in regards to defensive bowling or wicket taking ability.

I know you're a fan of Shinwari, but I promise you he will crumble in those high pressure WC clashes coming up. He simply does not know how to respond in a match situation when the batsmen are on the attack. I find his bowling far too predictable and he relies heavily on rhythm, so he's going to have too many bad days which the team simply cannot afford. Another similar bowler was Gul and we saw how costly he could be - as we all witnessed in Mohali 2011, but many of us forget he was also one of the main culprits on that day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you have mentioned Wahab and Rahat in particular. The former is one of the worst bowlers for English conditions and it couldn't be more evident during the 2016 series when he was butchered in Trent Bridge. He's a poor ODI bowler anyway with no bowling intelligence whatsoever.

Rahat might be useful in swing bowling conditions but even then in England he averaged 50 with the red ball in his last series there (back in 2016) because he's also a mere spray gun. He is shockingly bad in ODIs as well but it's ridiculous to suggest he's been treated unfairly.

I don't mind experimenting with Junaid and yes he did have a good CT but I don't think there's much going for him either. He's far too gun barrel straight for my liking and doesn't offer any lateral movement. Furthermore he lacks pace as well. For these reasons he will be far too expensive with ball in hand especially on flat wickets with the ball coming on nicely.

The criticisms made on this thread against Amir comes from emotions and frustrations rather than any kind of rationale. The other pace options competing for him spot are simply inferior to him and secondly we don't have the luxury of time to experiment, with the WC just two months away. Guess it serves the Pakistan team right when we haven't grasped the art of experimenting after all these years. Instead we see first team players put out against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Zimbabwe, SL and WI B sides in these meaningless T20Is. If we tried out more fresh faces in the last couple of years, who knows Amir would be down the pecking order where he belongs but we have to settle with mediocrity at the end of the day.
 
What big match temprament? Its over stated. Someone who is horribly inconsistent cannot have big match temprament, let me know when he bowls Pakistan to victory defending 150 runs which the likes of Wasim and Waqar used to do.
How many bowling attacks have defended 150 runs in the recent past?
 
Could his luck be running out? Just one game in the series.
 
Or maybe already decided that he gets one of the slots?

Things I have heard recently Mickey saying, i wont be surprised if that actually is the case that he is already decided member of the WC squad.
 
With Hassan, Shaheen and Faheem confirmed, this series has ruled out Hasnain and Abbas. So its two slots between Junaid, Amir and Shinwari.

Amir will be on the plane to the WC. Shinwari will join him.
 
He will be on the plane to WC. By not playing Amir, Mickey just wants to make sure that he doesn't go wicketless through all the 5 matches which is a real possibility and something that can raise calls for his exclusion from the WC squad

Smart strategy to rest him as one of the confirmed bowlers.

As far as performance in WC goes, Amir will be starter in the playing 11 for a few matches in which he will be thrashed badly and will got wicketless and replaced during the later half of the tournament when Pakistan will be Oj the verge of a WC exit.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Strange goings on with Mohammad Amir:<br><br>Only played the 1st ODI<br><br>Missed 4 matches at a time when he really needed to prove he's good enough for the World Cup<br><br>Dropped for 4 matches at a time he needed to regain his confidence<br><br>If he's unfit why is he still with the squad<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1112316058633977862?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Gotta give credit to team management to save Amir instead of allowing him to show why he needed to be in wc squad. Team Management picked other bowlers to show how useless other bowlers are...
 
Mohammad Amir is our Mohammad Ashraful. The sooner we ditch him the better off we will be.

Good riddance they didn't play him in the 5th ODI pretty much making it clear the team and captain have zero faith in him.
 
Taking him to the WC will be a blunder. He does not deserve it on merit. Needs a huge kick in the backside and no bigger kick than being discarded from the WC squad.
 
Looking forward to the England series, only a matter of time before Amir rips through a batting line up.


Rest assured I will be bumping this and all other anti-Amir threads that you folks have been spouting and will make sure to quote the worst offenders. Wait and watch.
 
Looking forward to the England series, only a matter of time before Amir rips through a batting line up.


Rest assured I will be bumping this and all other anti-Amir threads that you folks have been spouting and will make sure to quote the worst offenders. Wait and watch.

He ain't even making the squad. Today sealed his faith.
 
Can Posters here mention one bowler who could do what he did in CT final?
Our bowling as a whole has been bad.Amir will shine in Eng
 
Can Posters here mention one bowler who could do what he did in CT final?
Our bowling as a whole has been bad.Amir will shine in Eng

Yes what a miracle he performed in the CT Final. Bowled India out for 100 while defending a small target of 125 runs in the final.

GOAT performance ever.
 
The guy has been living off that England Series in 2010 which mind you was played on one of the greenest wickets in English History and even the coach back then commented in the middle of the series Waqar Younis that in his entire life he had never seen an entire English Season where the wickets completely suited the bowlers.

Even RP Singh has demolished England and looked like a legend in English Bowling Conditions.

Barring that Eng series in 2010, Amir has had nothing to show in his entire career. That spell against India in the Asia Cup T-20 2016 didn't win Pakistan the game, that CT final spell came after we posted 360 runs in the final. The guy has remained impactless in all PSL Tournaments.

For how long will he continue to play game after game, opening the bowling and remain wicket less while the likes of even the mediocre Faheem Ashraf picks up a wicket and Mohd Abbas too picks up a wicket while remaining economical.

Pakistan has got to be fairer to the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Usman Shinwari and co who get benched after 1-2 bad games while Amir continues to play game after game regardless of wickets.

The attitude of "Atleast he keeps things tight" is what has bought us to this state today.



This is hilarious....just the skill of the bowler is far superior than any of the names mentioned. Junaid is literally a water downed version of amir, slower with less swing, he had 1 notable performance in India in 2012, after that hes been okay at best. The world knows Amir, and his big match temperament and able to deliver under pressure is what has brought him to this point. Admittedly he has slumped since his CT wreckage of the top batting line up in the world.
The point is he has been part of the team on the biggest occasions, starting with 2009 T20 world cup where he toppled the best batsman of the tournament - Dilshan. He has the ability to handle pressure and the temperament to deliver in crunch situations and that is what the World cup is all about. He is an automatic pick for me in England, even a slower Amir with out the swing is much better than the fast yet erratic Shinwari, the watered down Junaid, the flat pace of Wahab without lateral movement or the lack of international experience of Rahat ali.

Watch him in those 5 ODI's in England and you will know everything you need to know about Amir ahead of the world cup.
 
Can Posters here mention one bowler who could do what he did in CT final?
Our bowling as a whole has been bad.Amir will shine in Eng

The real question is, can he does that again? The answer is NO.
But he is fortunate that his competitors are as trash as he himself is.
 
This is hilarious....just the skill of the bowler is far superior than any of the names mentioned. Junaid is literally a water downed version of amir, slower with less swing, he had 1 notable performance in India in 2012, after that hes been okay at best. The world knows Amir, and his big match temperament and able to deliver under pressure is what has brought him to this point. Admittedly he has slumped since his CT wreckage of the top batting line up in the world.
The point is he has been part of the team on the biggest occasions, starting with 2009 T20 world cup where he toppled the best batsman of the tournament - Dilshan. He has the ability to handle pressure and the temperament to deliver in crunch situations and that is what the World cup is all about. He is an automatic pick for me in England, even a slower Amir with out the swing is much better than the fast yet erratic Shinwari, the watered down Junaid, the flat pace of Wahab without lateral movement or the lack of international experience of Rahat ali.

Watch him in those 5 ODI's in England and you will know everything you need to know about Amir ahead of the world cup.

Amir has nothing to show for this so called skill set. Bowlers with world class skills don't pick up 4 wickets in 13 ODI's.
 
Amir has nothing to show for this so called skill set. Bowlers with world class skills don't pick up 4 wickets in 13 ODI's.

He's going through a patch, admittedly its a bit longer then what people expect, but we as a nation have zero patience, in both sense; i.e when people dont perform we want them out instantly or the second they do, we give them the world. For example when Umar Akmal made some runs in the psl, everyone was like get him into the team take him to the world cup, hes back hes back! Just like when Abid Ali made that 100, he was suddenly in contention for being the opener in the biggest event, Its like saying if Babar didnt perform in a series or two, would you drop him? he is still world class...
It takes a keen eye and vision to see that his skill will deliver, apart from that its horse for the course situation here, English conditions are very conducive to his bowling, like I said observe him in the 5 ODI's in May, and that should be your answer, besides he has been rested for so many games and besides Hasan Ali and Shaheen nobody is bowling exceptionally great either.

form is temporary, class is permanent my friend
 
A source close to Mohammad Amir has told me that he was rested for the last 4 ODIs to make sure he was not injured for the World Cup :)
 
A source close to Mohammad Amir has told me that he was rested for the last 4 ODIs to make sure he was not injured for the World Cup :)

If that is the case looks like Junaid will miss out.

Shaheen, Faheem, Hasan Ali and Shinwari are guaranteed spots.
 
A source close to Mohammad Amir has told me that he was rested for the last 4 ODIs to make sure he was not injured for the World Cup :)

That's ridiculous. I've lost my patience with Amir, the ODI bowler.
 
If that is the case looks like Junaid will miss out.

Shaheen, Faheem, Hasan Ali and Shinwari are guaranteed spots.

To be fair Junaid did perform really badly. I don't get the hype behind junaid. I still remember his series vs ind in 2012 what a series he had. Now he's just a 130kmph trundler. He gave 70 runs in 9 overs yesterday so there will be no difference if they select junaid over amir.
 
A source close to Mohammad Amir has told me that he was rested for the last 4 ODIs to make sure he was not injured for the World Cup :)

Yep it looked like it.

The spot Arthur is talking about for final selection is between Shan, Rizwan and Abid.
 
Be realistic people a one handed Amir is a better bowler than Shinwari and Juniad all day long
 
Be realistic people a one handed Amir is a better bowler than Shinwari and Juniad all day long

Maybe nine, ten years ago but what evidence do you have for this enlightening bit of news in the current climate?
 
[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] can open as many threads as he wants.

Amir is still going to the world cup and winning us matches, just like in the champions trophy. :amir
 
I think highly of you as a poster but when you bring up inferior options to Amir it's hard to take this post seriously. To be frank, this comes across as a comical witch hunt against him, if anything.

Amir deserved to be dropped in the latter half of last year for his lack of wickets but funnily enough when I mentioned this to another poster, I was accused of having an agenda against him and told I had "deep hatred in my heart". I would rather have Amir than any of the other 4 names you mentioned because he does have a good track record in ICC tournaments and has shown numerous times in the past, he keeps calm on the big stage especially in those high stake clashes as displayed:

In the 2009 WT20 his wicket maiden over in the first over of final with the dismissal of Dilshan arguably won Pakistan that game because he was the leading run scorer and on a roll during that tournament. Later that year his bowling was yet again pivotal in the CT when he removed Tendulkar with another superb display with the ball in hand. He excelled again in the 2017 CT final when he removed the top 3 on a batting paradise, despite this you decide to belittle this achievement citing RP Singh, who actually bowled in contrasting conditions.

Having said that if there were superior options at a similar calibre to say Shaheen, then I would I would also be equally disgusted to see him in the XI, but we have to settle with the best we have. What I do like about Amir is the fact that he's generally been very economical and someone who can be relied upon on to defend a total when the opposition say for e.g. is need of 90+ runs in the last 10 overs. His T20I economy rate is a testament of how skilled he is as a defensive bowler. I appreciate he shouldn't be there solely for this purpose but the fact of the matter is there is nothing going for Junaid, Wahab, Rahat or Shinwari in regards to defensive bowling or wicket taking ability.

I know you're a fan of Shinwari, but I promise you he will crumble in those high pressure WC clashes coming up. He simply does not know how to respond in a match situation when the batsmen are on the attack. I find his bowling far too predictable and he relies heavily on rhythm, so he's going to have too many bad days which the team simply cannot afford. Another similar bowler was Gul and we saw how costly he could be - as we all witnessed in Mohali 2011, but many of us forget he was also one of the main culprits on that day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you have mentioned Wahab and Rahat in particular. The former is one of the worst bowlers for English conditions and it couldn't be more evident during the 2016 series when he was butchered in Trent Bridge. He's a poor ODI bowler anyway with no bowling intelligence whatsoever.

Rahat might be useful in swing bowling conditions but even then in England he averaged 50 with the red ball in his last series there (back in 2016) because he's also a mere spray gun. He is shockingly bad in ODIs as well but it's ridiculous to suggest he's been treated unfairly.

I don't mind experimenting with Junaid and yes he did have a good CT but I don't think there's much going for him either. He's far too gun barrel straight for my liking and doesn't offer any lateral movement. Furthermore he lacks pace as well. For these reasons he will be far too expensive with ball in hand especially on flat wickets with the ball coming on nicely.

The criticisms made on this thread against Amir comes from emotions and frustrations rather than any kind of rationale. The other pace options competing for him spot are simply inferior to him and secondly we don't have the luxury of time to experiment, with the WC just two months away. Guess it serves the Pakistan team right when we haven't grasped the art of experimenting after all these years. Instead we see first team players put out against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Zimbabwe, SL and WI B sides in these meaningless T20Is. If we tried out more fresh faces in the last couple of years, who knows Amir would be down the pecking order where he belongs but we have to settle with mediocrity at the end of the day.

Nothing left to add.
 
I think highly of you as a poster but when you bring up inferior options to Amir it's hard to take this post seriously. To be frank, this comes across as a comical witch hunt against him, if anything.

Amir deserved to be dropped in the latter half of last year for his lack of wickets but funnily enough when I mentioned this to another poster, I was accused of having an agenda against him and told I had "deep hatred in my heart". I would rather have Amir than any of the other 4 names you mentioned because he does have a good track record in ICC tournaments and has shown numerous times in the past, he keeps calm on the big stage especially in those high stake clashes as displayed:

In the 2009 WT20 his wicket maiden over in the first over of final with the dismissal of Dilshan arguably won Pakistan that game because he was the leading run scorer and on a roll during that tournament. Later that year his bowling was yet again pivotal in the CT when he removed Tendulkar with another superb display with the ball in hand. He excelled again in the 2017 CT final when he removed the top 3 on a batting paradise, despite this you decide to belittle this achievement citing RP Singh, who actually bowled in contrasting conditions.

Having said that if there were superior options at a similar calibre to say Shaheen, then I would I would also be equally disgusted to see him in the XI, but we have to settle with the best we have. What I do like about Amir is the fact that he's generally been very economical and someone who can be relied upon on to defend a total when the opposition say for e.g. is need of 90+ runs in the last 10 overs. His T20I economy rate is a testament of how skilled he is as a defensive bowler. I appreciate he shouldn't be there solely for this purpose but the fact of the matter is there is nothing going for Junaid, Wahab, Rahat or Shinwari in regards to defensive bowling or wicket taking ability.

I know you're a fan of Shinwari, but I promise you he will crumble in those high pressure WC clashes coming up. He simply does not know how to respond in a match situation when the batsmen are on the attack. I find his bowling far too predictable and he relies heavily on rhythm, so he's going to have too many bad days which the team simply cannot afford. Another similar bowler was Gul and we saw how costly he could be - as we all witnessed in Mohali 2011, but many of us forget he was also one of the main culprits on that day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you have mentioned Wahab and Rahat in particular. The former is one of the worst bowlers for English conditions and it couldn't be more evident during the 2016 series when he was butchered in Trent Bridge. He's a poor ODI bowler anyway with no bowling intelligence whatsoever.

Rahat might be useful in swing bowling conditions but even then in England he averaged 50 with the red ball in his last series there (back in 2016) because he's also a mere spray gun. He is shockingly bad in ODIs as well but it's ridiculous to suggest he's been treated unfairly.

I don't mind experimenting with Junaid and yes he did have a good CT but I don't think there's much going for him either. He's far too gun barrel straight for my liking and doesn't offer any lateral movement. Furthermore he lacks pace as well. For these reasons he will be far too expensive with ball in hand especially on flat wickets with the ball coming on nicely.

The criticisms made on this thread against Amir comes from emotions and frustrations rather than any kind of rationale. The other pace options competing for him spot are simply inferior to him and secondly we don't have the luxury of time to experiment, with the WC just two months away. Guess it serves the Pakistan team right when we haven't grasped the art of experimenting after all these years. Instead we see first team players put out against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Zimbabwe, SL and WI B sides in these meaningless T20Is. If we tried out more fresh faces in the last couple of years, who knows Amir would be down the pecking order where he belongs but we have to settle with mediocrity at the end of the day.

Very good post.

However, as history shows you cannot change the OP's mind. So just accept and move on.
 
He will be on the plane to WC. By not playing Amir, Mickey just wants to make sure that he doesn't go wicketless through all the 5 matches which is a real possibility and something that can raise calls for his exclusion from the WC squad

Smart strategy to rest him as one of the confirmed bowlers.

As far as performance in WC goes, Amir will be starter in the playing 11 for a few matches in which he will be thrashed badly and will got wicketless and replaced during the later half of the tournament when Pakistan will be Oj the verge of a WC exit.

To be fair Amir rarely gets 'thrashed', his control is pretty good. He can also bat a bit which is helpful given the length of the Pakistan tail.

I'm not surprised he is going and you can't blame Mickey given nobody else really put their hand up for his spot.
 
Maybe nine, ten years ago but what evidence do you have for this enlightening bit of news in the current climate?

CT, PSL.

Granted he is going through a very bad patch atm, maybe mentally mot there (his mother did pass away) but he has been unlucky previously with atrocious fielding. What has Shinwari done?
 
I think highly of you as a poster but when you bring up inferior options to Amir it's hard to take this post seriously. To be frank, this comes across as a comical witch hunt against him, if anything.

Amir deserved to be dropped in the latter half of last year for his lack of wickets but funnily enough when I mentioned this to another poster, I was accused of having an agenda against him and told I had "deep hatred in my heart". I would rather have Amir than any of the other 4 names you mentioned because he does have a good track record in ICC tournaments and has shown numerous times in the past, he keeps calm on the big stage especially in those high stake clashes as displayed:

In the 2009 WT20 his wicket maiden over in the first over of final with the dismissal of Dilshan arguably won Pakistan that game because he was the leading run scorer and on a roll during that tournament. Later that year his bowling was yet again pivotal in the CT when he removed Tendulkar with another superb display with the ball in hand. He excelled again in the 2017 CT final when he removed the top 3 on a batting paradise, despite this you decide to belittle this achievement citing RP Singh, who actually bowled in contrasting conditions.

Having said that if there were superior options at a similar calibre to say Shaheen, then I would I would also be equally disgusted to see him in the XI, but we have to settle with the best we have. What I do like about Amir is the fact that he's generally been very economical and someone who can be relied upon on to defend a total when the opposition say for e.g. is need of 90+ runs in the last 10 overs. His T20I economy rate is a testament of how skilled he is as a defensive bowler. I appreciate he shouldn't be there solely for this purpose but the fact of the matter is there is nothing going for Junaid, Wahab, Rahat or Shinwari in regards to defensive bowling or wicket taking ability.

I know you're a fan of Shinwari, but I promise you he will crumble in those high pressure WC clashes coming up. He simply does not know how to respond in a match situation when the batsmen are on the attack. I find his bowling far too predictable and he relies heavily on rhythm, so he's going to have too many bad days which the team simply cannot afford. Another similar bowler was Gul and we saw how costly he could be - as we all witnessed in Mohali 2011, but many of us forget he was also one of the main culprits on that day.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you have mentioned Wahab and Rahat in particular. The former is one of the worst bowlers for English conditions and it couldn't be more evident during the 2016 series when he was butchered in Trent Bridge. He's a poor ODI bowler anyway with no bowling intelligence whatsoever.

Rahat might be useful in swing bowling conditions but even then in England he averaged 50 with the red ball in his last series there (back in 2016) because he's also a mere spray gun. He is shockingly bad in ODIs as well but it's ridiculous to suggest he's been treated unfairly.

I don't mind experimenting with Junaid and yes he did have a good CT but I don't think there's much going for him either. He's far too gun barrel straight for my liking and doesn't offer any lateral movement. Furthermore he lacks pace as well. For these reasons he will be far too expensive with ball in hand especially on flat wickets with the ball coming on nicely.

The criticisms made on this thread against Amir comes from emotions and frustrations rather than any kind of rationale. The other pace options competing for him spot are simply inferior to him and secondly we don't have the luxury of time to experiment, with the WC just two months away. Guess it serves the Pakistan team right when we haven't grasped the art of experimenting after all these years. Instead we see first team players put out against the likes of Scotland, Ireland, Zimbabwe, SL and WI B sides in these meaningless T20Is. If we tried out more fresh faces in the last couple of years, who knows Amir would be down the pecking order where he belongs but we have to settle with mediocrity at the end of the day.

Dont have time to go through this lengthy response. If Amir was any of the other bowlers mentioned he would have been shown the door a long time ago, he has been given too many chances purely on the basis of reputation, his recent form of 4 wickets in his last 13 ODI sums up his true quality, Pakistan does not owe anything to Amir, Amir should only be picked on the basis of recent form which is non existent right now.

Also Amir's so called mental toughness is over rated, he has lost us many games with his ineffective bowling. He hasn't been able to make any difference to Karachi Kings. I hope Mickey Arthur shows ruthless professionalism and keeps Amir out of the ODI WC squad because he does not deserve it frankly speaking on the basis of recent form.
 
Amir is like PIA. He will never be as good as he once was, yet people still hope that he will return to his former glory. With that said Amir should still be in the squad for the World Cup as a backup.
 
Only hope is that he uses this time before the World Cup to get his fitness to the best level possible. Would be painful if he’s trundling in on the big stage.
 
And why is he not playing in the Pakistan Cup?
 
Well he's had the backing of Wasim Akram.

Tough decision for the selectors on whether to pick him or not.
 
Wasim Akram on Mohammad Amir:


"Someone tell me is there a good bowler who we haven't seen yet? OK Amir has taken 4 wickets in 14 matches, but he's still one of the best bowlers we have. He can swing the ball, he's just not getting wickets"

“Although he has not performed well in the previous few matches but Amir is still one of the best bowlers in the world,” said Akram. “I also see him as future captain of Pakistan team.”
 
27 today!

Time flies but unfortunately his career seems to be floundering...
 
Hopefully this year will be better than the previous one.

A gun bowler we need him back asap.

Happy Birthday champ!
 
The World Cup is over so now our pampered prince will start bowling rubbish again. His highness cannot be bothered with bilateral cricket even after retiring from Tests.
 
The World Cup is over so now our pampered prince will start bowling rubbish again. His highness cannot be bothered with bilateral cricket even after retiring from Tests.

doesnt have the heart anymore, hes there for his 9-5 job thats it.
 
If any other pak bowler was bowling at 131 mph he would be abused on PP even if was taking 5-fers every match
I still remember many people who are Amor fans now laughing at indian bowlers for being trundles despite them having better figures than Amir

Amir truly is an exception to every rule and a prime example of sunk cost fallacy
 
If any other pak bowler was bowling at 131 mph he would be abused on PP even if was taking 5-fers every match
I still remember many people who are Amor fans now laughing at indian bowlers for being trundles despite them having better figures than Amir

Amir truly is an exception to every rule and a prime example of sunk cost fallacy

You must have missed the amount of criticism before the World Cup, and specially after he was selected.

It's toned down a bit since then because he's done well and is now in the top 10 of the bowling rankings.
 
TBH the bowlers have lost this for us. Chasing 165, 180 is a tough ask in T-20 cricket. Amir's position needs revision
 
3 wickets for 27 in 4 overs! Excellent stuff
 
It’s funny how all Pakistani bowlers seem too perform in the last game of a series
 
The guy has been living off that England Series in 2010 which mind you was played on one of the greenest wickets in English History and even the coach back then commented in the middle of the series Waqar Younis that in his entire life he had never seen an entire English Season where the wickets completely suited the bowlers.

Even RP Singh has demolished England and looked like a legend in English Bowling Conditions.

Barring that Eng series in 2010, Amir has had nothing to show in his entire career. That spell against India in the Asia Cup T-20 2016 didn't win Pakistan the game, that CT final spell came after we posted 360 runs in the final. The guy has remained impactless in all PSL Tournaments.

For how long will he continue to play game after game, opening the bowling and remain wicket less while the likes of even the mediocre Faheem Ashraf picks up a wicket and Mohd Abbas too picks up a wicket while remaining economical.

Pakistan has got to be fairer to the likes of Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Usman Shinwari and co who get benched after 1-2 bad games while Amir continues to play game after game regardless of wickets.

The attitude of "Atleast he keeps things tight" is what has bought us to this state today.

Seems like those days have come to an end.
 
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