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A group of international journalists, mostly based in India, as well as the ambassadors and defence attachés of various countries on Wednesday visited the impact site of the Feb 26 Indian airspace violation near Jabba, Balakot, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media wing of the Pakistani military, announced late evening.

Director General (DG) ISPR Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor briefed the delegation on the events of the day of the attack, "negating repeated false Indian claims with ground realities".

Read: India refuses to share proof of air strikes in Balakot

"Visitors were shown bomb craters of the Indian air strike attempts in barren open spaces with no loss of human life or infrastructure," the ISPR said. "The group also visited a nearby madrassa that India claimed it had struck and killed scores of terrorists at."

The visitors, according to the ISPR, were allowed to interact freely with students and teachers and saw for themselves that the madressah, where "innocent local children were getting education, stood on ground and was untouched".

The DG ISPR reiterated that "India should accept the reality, stay a responsible state for peace in the region and look inwards to identify reasons for the out-of-hand situation in Indian occupied Kashmir."

"The international delegation also visited APS Swat — a state-of-the-art educational facility established by Pakistan Army as a gift for the resilient people of Swat in recognition of their contributions and sacrifices in defeating terrorism as terrorists had specially targeted educational institutions during the unrest," the ISPR press release stated.

The group were also given a tour of Sabawoon, the army-run rehabilitation and deradicalisation centre, where "juvenile offenders are given psychological treatment" and nurtured back to normal life so they can become useful citizens of the society.

Crater caused by 1,000kg bomb was medium-sized: BBC
BBC journalist Usman Zahid, who was a part of the delegation, said that the bomb site was located on a difficult hilly terrain and it took an hour-and-a-half-long trek to access it.

He said that the crater shown by the Pakistan Army was of medium size, as he recalled that the Indian army had claimed to have used a bomb weighing 1,000 kilogrammes.

The BBC representative further said that at the bomb site there was only one house, which had only suffered minor damage. He also found a person who had sustained injuries.

He said that the delegation was also taken to the madressah situated at the summit where they saw between 150 and 200 children, none aged above 12 to 13, getting Islamic education.

One of the teachers was asked specifically if the facility was run by Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM). "We do not know who this madressah is under the care of," the teacher replied.

The DG ISPR, in an informal interaction, was asked why the visit was arranged now when the incident had taken place in February.

To this, Major General Ghafoor said that "things were happening very quickly so we did not get a chance. But because many journalists were present in Islamabad right now so this was a good opportunity to bring them all here together."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1475189/f...cess-to-madressah-near-site-of-balakot-strike
 
Balakot air strike: Pakistan shows off disputed site on eve of India election

The authorities in Pakistan have allowed foreign media and defence attachés to visit the site of a disputed Indian air strike in February.

They were given access to an Islamic school in Balakot, where Indian media say militants were killed in retaliation for an attack in Kashmir.

The large building appeared to be fully intact and the Pakistani army denied it had been used as a terror camp.

The visit to the school was held on the eve of a general election in India.

Pakistan and India have been engaged in an information war over the Balakot site, where Pakistan says the bombs on 26 February landed in an empty area and hurt no-one.

India insists it killed a large number of Jaish-e-Mohamed group militants and destroyed their camp in retaliation for a suicide attack two weeks earlier in Indian-administered Kashmir, which killed 40 paramilitary police troopers.

That attack was the deadliest against Indian forces in Kashmir in decades and raised fears of a new war between India and Pakistan, which are both nuclear powers.

What were the media shown on Wednesday?
Foreign journalists and diplomats were taken by the Pakistani army on the visit to Balakot in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa state.

They were shown a medium-sized crater which the army said had been made by an Indian air force bomb.

A single house had been slightly damaged by the blast and a man had been injured, the BBC's Usman Zahid reports.

The visitors also saw some fallen trees.

They were then taken to the Taleem ul Quran madrassa, the first such visit by foreign media.

The large hilltop building is said to have capacity for 2,500 children.

Pakistani army spokesman Maj-Gen Asif Ghafoor insisted the madrassa did "no harm" and that Indian allegations that it was a terror training camp had "no truth".

Some 150-200 children could be seen reciting the Koran in a mosque at the school.

However, a teacher and a student interviewed by the BBC said they were all local people and that the madrassa had been shut since the Indian attack.

While the media were allowed to take interviews they were told to keep them short and it was clear that the tour was being restricted.

What does India say?
Contacted by the BBC, India's external affairs ministry said it stood by its statement last month that the "counter-terrorism strike of 26 February" had "achieved the intended objective".

"The fact that media was taken on a conducted tour to the site only after a month and a half after the incident speaks for itself," a ministry official added on Wednesday.

When journalists from Al Jazeera visited the area - but not the madrassa - in February, they saw a sign for the school which listed Jaish-e-Mohamed founder Masood Azhar as its "leader".

The Balakot air strike has played a major role in the election campaign of Indian Prime Minster Narendra Modi who has called on first-time voters to dedicate their ballots to the pilots involved, India Today reports.

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan told the BBC this week that peace with India over Kashmir would be "tremendous" for the wider region.

Timeline of India-Pakistan tensions
October 1947: First war between India and Pakistan over Kashmir just two months after they become independent nations.

August 1965: The neighbours fight another brief war over Kashmir.

December 1971: India supports East Pakistan's bid to become independent. The Indian air force conducts bombing raids inside Pakistan. The war ends with the creation of Bangladesh.

May 1999: Pakistani soldiers and militants occupy Indian military posts in Kargil mountains. India launches air and ground strikes and the intruders are pushed back.

October 2001: A devastating attack on the state assembly in Indian-administered Kashmir kills 38. Two months later, an attack on the Indian parliament in Delhi leaves 14 dead.

November 2008: Co-ordinated attacks on Mumbai's main railway station, luxury hotels and a Jewish cultural centre kill 166 people. India blames Pakistan-based group Lashkar-e-Taiba.

January 2016: Four-day attack on Indian air base in Pathankot leaves seven Indian soldiers and six militants dead.

18 September 2016: Attack on army base in Uri in Indian-administered Kashmir kills 19 soldiers.

30 September 2016: India says it carried "surgical strikes" on militants in Pakistani Kashmir. Islamabad denies strikes took place.

14 February 2019: Pulwama suicide bombing kills at least 40 Indian police troopers in Indian-administered Kashmir, India retaliates with air strike two weeks later

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47882354
 
Now they will say that Pak didn't allow them before so they can hide everything.
 
Now they will say that Pak didn't allow them before so they can hide everything.

Even though that would be an illogical argument to make, this is a stupid move on ISPR's part because clearly facts and logic don't have a place in India. They will make a big deal out of it for the reasons you mentioned, even they we already have satellite images disproving that airstrikes took place. But these people will ignore the satellite images even though it's a primary evidence and will fall back to circumstantial evidence if it suits them.
 
I'm not anti pakistan or something but ....why did it take a month and a half for them to show this to the media? It's just plain stupid stuff from ISPR.
Now all those indian trolls will ask us the same question, and we are left with no reason at all except maybe bad weather which is a silly excuse tbh.
 
I'm not anti pakistan or something but ....why did it take a month and a half for them to show this to the media? It's just plain stupid stuff from ISPR.
Now all those indian trolls will ask us the same question, and we are left with no reason at all except maybe bad weather which is a silly excuse tbh.

They're not in a position to ask us questions when they haven't even given the proof that they struck any building.
 
This doesn't look good to me. Shouldn't have bothered taking the foreign media to the alleges spot of bombing after more than a month.
 
Now they will say that Pak didn't allow them before so they can hide everything.


Logical Question - the air strikes by the IAF happened in February so what took so long for Pakistan to invite the foreign media at the spot? Why not take the foreign media shortly after the attacks? Were they waiting for the right time to invite the media so it took them around 45 days?

Doesn't make sense at all. It seems a lot of hard work was happening behind the scenes at the Spot which has been completed so it's safe to invite the foreign media now and claim that nothing happened.
 
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Logical Question - the air strikes by the IAF happened in February so what took so long for Pakistan to invite the foreign media at the spot? Why not take the foreign media shortly after the attacks? Were they waiting for the right time to invite the media so it took them around 45 days?

Doesn't make sense at all. It seems a lot of hard work was happening behind the scenes at the Spot which has been completed so it's safe to invite the foreign media now and claim that nothing happened.

The building that indian supposedly struck is still there. Did they build the same building again in 45 days?
 
They're not in a position to ask us questions when they haven't even given the proof that they struck any building.

I know , but we should atleast know the reason behind this delay. What is it that took them whole of 45 days to show it, if there was nothing wrong at the site ?

Baffling tactics really!
 
Logical Question - the air strikes by the IAF happened in February so what took so long for Pakistan to invite the foreign media at the spot? Why not take the foreign media shortly after the attacks? Were they waiting for the right time to invite the media so it took them around 45 days?

Doesn't make sense at all. It seems a lot of hard work was happening behind the scenes at the Spot which has been completed so it's safe to invite the foreign media now and claim that nothing happened.

the domestic media were taken there and granted they didnt go inside the madrassa but spoke to locals who had children there. Also if you drop a 1000kg bomb on a flimsy old building like this it would have flattened not just the structure but everything around it. And dont give the "Spice bombs" nonsense. It would take more than 45 days to rebuild the building and you would have to transport machinery etc there which would not have remained hidden.

so to summarise, as they said in the great movie Predator starring Arnold "we hit nothing"...
 
This doesn't look good to me. Shouldn't have bothered taking the foreign media to the alleges spot of bombing after more than a month.

hain? kyon? you think they can rebuild a madrassa like this in 45 days in complete secrecy? the satellite photos showed no damage.No casualties. Did they ship in these kids from muzzafarrabad? kuch thori si akal kuro..
 
I'm not anti pakistan or something but ....why did it take a month and a half for them to show this to the media? It's just plain stupid stuff from ISPR.
Now all those indian trolls will ask us the same question, and we are left with no reason at all except maybe bad weather which is a silly excuse tbh.

airspace was shut..we nearly went to war..do you think we were thinking about this stuff?
 
airspace was shut..we nearly went to war..do you think we were thinking about this stuff?

It was literally the only thing everyone was thinking about. Everyone were asking India to show proofs of the strike and Pakistan to prove that nothing was hit.
 
It was literally the only thing everyone was thinking about. Everyone were asking India to show proofs of the strike and Pakistan to prove that nothing was hit.

The satellite images by neutral media, from Australia to US proved there was no strike. So I am not sure what you're on about.
 
I'm not anti pakistan or something but ....why did it take a month and a half for them to show this to the media? It's just plain stupid stuff from ISPR.
Now all those indian trolls will ask us the same question, and we are left with no reason at all except maybe bad weather which is a silly excuse tbh.

My guess is that ISPR are trying to make an impact on Indian voter right before election?

Although I don't think Indian trolls' questions matter. Let 'em watch Bollywood movies and fantasize destruction of Pakistan :yk
 
It was literally the only thing everyone was thinking about. Everyone were asking India to show proofs of the strike and Pakistan to prove that nothing was hit.

Everyone? in india? obviously everyone in India would have been talking about it because you couldnt confront the obvious truth that your mighty airforce missed..

Now here's another one for you, what if you hadn't missed. You would have killed all of these children that were praying and would have been fast a sleep. Imagine the optics of that. And then think about the reaction from within Pakistan.

we would have smashed your military installations in kashmir to smithereens..so be thankful you missed..
 
Everyone? in india? obviously everyone in India would have been talking about it because you couldnt confront the obvious truth that your mighty airforce missed..

Now here's another one for you, what if you hadn't missed. You would have killed all of these children that were praying and would have been fast a sleep. Imagine the optics of that. And then think about the reaction from within Pakistan.

we would have smashed your military installations in kashmir to smithereens..so be thankful you missed..

Dude. What made you think I'm an Indian?
I'm more pakistani than all of you UK gone burgers combined.
 
There are at least 15 reasons in my head why there was delay and I'm not even a security expert or analyst

1. Imagine taking 100 dignitaries including DG ISPR to an area during an active conflict while NOTAM is issued and jets are flying to a remote site that has just been hit two days before. Ok? Yeah, very smart move.

2. De-escalation: It needed to happen for people to cool down

3. In this time and age, nothing can be hidden. If the Madrassah was rebuilt and bodies hidden in 45 days, someone somewhere would have seen it. There are spy satellites above, drones, people with smart phones, how hard is it to get a few RAW spies roaming around the area if the locals are being super secretive?

etc. etc.
 
Dude. What made you think I'm an Indian?
I'm more pakistani than all of you UK gone burgers combined.

so now this is a who is more pakistani than the other contest? and who are you calling a burger?
 
It was literally the only thing everyone was thinking about. Everyone were asking India to show proofs of the strike and Pakistan to prove that nothing was hit.

finally someone sane here and thinks logically.

There is no reason to deny journalists immediate entry to a supposed 'school' if the strike missed the building and just killed a few trees. everyone was taken to see the trees right after the indian jet incursions, but the structure was 'off limits' till recently.

Like you said - the rest of the world is laughing at them for arranging this picnic excursion 1 month after the airstrike to show that everything is fine, so moronic.
 
finally someone sane here and thinks logically.

There is no reason to deny journalists immediate entry to a supposed 'school' if the strike missed the building and just killed a few trees. everyone was taken to see the trees right after the indian jet incursions, but the structure was 'off limits' till recently.

Like you said - the rest of the world is laughing at them for arranging this picnic excursion 1 month after the airstrike to show that everything is fine, so moronic.

yup your right..the madrassa was destroyed and then expertly rebuilt in 45 days..without anybody knowing..also there was a secret hospital where the 300 were taken for medical treatment and then in a secret ceremonyw ere quietly buried within 48 hours. All the relatives and viilagers in the area were brainwashed into keeping quiet or their memories were wiped like in men in black..

thats why the ISPR didnt allow anyone access to the site..the ISI are too good..
 
It was literally the only thing everyone was thinking about. Everyone were asking India to show proofs of the strike and Pakistan to prove that nothing was hit.

India made the claim it bombed Balakot and killed 300 militants.

Its India responsibility to prove it Positive.

Not Pakistan to prove it Negative and didn't happen.

Its been 44 days. What has India shown to prove their claim. Nothing.

Surprising coming from a country which launches satellites for fun.
 
I do not buy into the Indian narrative but what purpose does it really serve after more than a month has passed?
 
Pak did not have to invite the journalists sooner when the satellite pictures had proved everything. All international sources and reports were and are supporting Pak, not India. As the above reports says that no one but a few crows were killed:bm Only ones supporting India are their own biased ones like Hindustan Times.
 
Even though that would be an illogical argument to make, this is a stupid move on ISPR's part because clearly facts and logic don't have a place in India. They will make a big deal out of it for the reasons you mentioned, even they we already have satellite images disproving that airstrikes took place. But these people will ignore the satellite images even though it's a primary evidence and will fall back to circumstantial evidence if it suits them.

it doesnt matter what Indians think

What it does it just embarrasses them one more time on the international stage
 
Logical Question - the air strikes by the IAF happened in February so what took so long for Pakistan to invite the foreign media at the spot? Why not take the foreign media shortly after the attacks? Were they waiting for the right time to invite the media so it took them around 45 days?

Doesn't make sense at all. It seems a lot of hard work was happening behind the scenes at the Spot which has been completed so it's safe to invite the foreign media now and claim that nothing happened.

There is already satellite evidence proving that no buildings were damaged. Second, you cannot hide construction especially if you construct at such lightning speed.
 
it doesnt matter what Indians think

What it does it just embarrasses them one more time on the international stage

How do you guys manage to deny everything? Did you read the statements put out by the US, France, Australia, etc? All of them asked Pakistan to stop harboring terrorists and that they supported India's counterterrorism operations. How much more embarrassment do you want?
 
How do you guys manage to deny everything? Did you read the statements put out by the US, France, Australia, etc? All of them asked Pakistan to stop harboring terrorists and that they supported India's counterterrorism operations. How much more embarrassment do you want?

Sorry I must have missed them statements. Please post direct quotes of those nations supporting India flying into Pakistan airspace and dropping bombs?
 
Sorry I must have missed them statements. Please post direct quotes of those nations supporting India flying into Pakistan airspace and dropping bombs?

I don't want to derail the thread, but I'll quote a post of mine with some of the statements.

It was both after Pulwama and after the airstrikes.

Here are some recent examples.

Pompeo:

“Following Indian counter-terrorism actions on February 26, I spoke with Indian Minister of External Affairs Swaraj to emphasise our close security partnership and shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region,” he said in his statement.

“I also spoke to Pakistani Foreign Minister Qureshi to underscore the priority of de-escalating current tensions by avoiding military action, and the urgency of Pakistan taking meaningful action against terrorist groups operating on its soil," he said of his conversation with the minister.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1466345

France:

A Foreign Ministry spokesman said: “France recognises India’s legitimacy in ensuring its security against cross-border terrorism and asks Pakistan to put an end to the activities of terrorist groups established within its territory. We solemnly call on India and Pakistan to exercise restraint in order to avert any risk of military escalation and to preserve strategic stability in the region.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1093334/india-pakistan-war-attack-kashmir-france-news

Australia:

"Pakistan must do everything possible to implement its own proscription of Jaish-e-Mohammed. It can no longer allow extremist groups the legal and physical space to operate from its territory," she had said in the statement.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ation-very-dangerous/articleshow/68197239.cms

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-to-ban-masood-azhar/articleshow/68210871.cms
 
None of those statements suggest those nations supported India jets flying into Pakistan. Read again and understand.

They call out Pakistan for endlessly harboring terrorists, I hope that much is obvious. That is mostly what I meant about Pakistan being embarrassed. As for supporting India, I'm going to assume you're just feigning ignorance, because it is obvious from their statements.

"Following Indian counter-terrorism actions ... shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region"

"France recognises India’s legitimacy in ensuring its security against cross-border terrorism"

Quite obvious that they support India's counterterrorism strikes.
 
They call out Pakistan for endlessly harboring terrorists, I hope that much is obvious. That is mostly what I meant about Pakistan being embarrassed. As for supporting India, I'm going to assume you're just feigning ignorance, because it is obvious from their statements.

"Following Indian counter-terrorism actions ... shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region"

"France recognises India’s legitimacy in ensuring its security against cross-border terrorism"

Quite obvious that they support India's counterterrorism strikes.

Those are ambigious statements. If the US and others supported India flying into Pak territory they wouldnt have called for restraint after your brave pilot was shot down and paraded.

US and others have also said they support Pakistani counter terrorism. Does this mean they are happy for Pakistan to fly into Afghanistan and drop bombs, of course not. Try thinking please.
 
Those are ambigious statements. If the US and others supported India flying into Pak territory they wouldnt have called for restraint after your brave pilot was shot down and paraded.

US and others have also said they support Pakistani counter terrorism. Does this mean they are happy for Pakistan to fly into Afghanistan and drop bombs, of course not. Try thinking please.

I can't help you out if you're not arguing in good faith. Those statements and the implication are as clear as daylight. But if you wish to deny it and call it ambiguous, there's not much I can do.
 
I can't help you out if you're not arguing in good faith. Those statements and the implication are as clear as daylight. But if you wish to deny it and call it ambiguous, there's not much I can do.

We now know Indians will believe anything. You still believe you hit hundreds of terrorists not trees.

Can you find a single clear statement from any western government official stating India has the right to cross the border and hit targets?
 
I can't help you out if you're not arguing in good faith. Those statements and the implication are as clear as daylight. But if you wish to deny it and call it ambiguous, there's not much I can do.

They are actually not clear. Try to read those statements again and see if it's clear that they are claiming 300 terrorists were killed based on the statements you posted. Maybe attempting but failing to kill them could be called "counter terrorism operations"? More importantly, the international media is clearly questioning Indian version of the events and have disproven basically all of the events.
 
They call out Pakistan for endlessly harboring terrorists, I hope that much is obvious. That is mostly what I meant about Pakistan being embarrassed. As for supporting India, I'm going to assume you're just feigning ignorance, because it is obvious from their statements.

"Following Indian counter-terrorism actions ... shared goal of maintaining peace and security in the region"

"France recognises India’s legitimacy in ensuring its security against cross-border terrorism"

Quite obvious that they support India's counterterrorism strikes.

Are we discussing whether India successfully carried out those strikes and the embarrassment with respect to that, or that Pakistan allegedly harbours militants?
 
How do you guys manage to deny everything? Did you read the statements put out by the US, France, Australia, etc? All of them asked Pakistan to stop harboring terrorists and that they supported India's counterterrorism operations. How much more embarrassment do you want?

You kidding me!!? The Afghan Taliban call America terrorists so they should shut their mouths! What counter terrorism operations are you talking about when they have been proved false even by the Americans? The ones with the red faces are India not us! Your own people are laughing about the so called evidence have provided:)):)):)) Never mind what others say when your army's cruelty in IoK is on video, you can't deny that. The west condemns everything other then it's own atrocities.
 
yup your right..the madrassa was destroyed and then expertly rebuilt in 45 days..without anybody knowing..also there was a secret hospital where the 300 were taken for medical treatment and then in a secret ceremonyw ere quietly buried within 48 hours. All the relatives and viilagers in the area were brainwashed into keeping quiet or their memories were wiped like in men in black..

thats why the ISPR didnt allow anyone access to the site..the ISI are too good..

Lack of independent media lets you get away with anything really. But the rest of the world is smarter than the local population to gobble up this b.s narrative while India isn't too far behind with the "300" claim with nothing to back it up. Atleast the journalists there actually question it and challenge it.
 
yup your right..the madrassa was destroyed and then expertly rebuilt in 45 days..without anybody knowing..also there was a secret hospital where the 300 were taken for medical treatment and then in a secret ceremonyw ere quietly buried within 48 hours. All the relatives and viilagers in the area were brainwashed into keeping quiet or their memories were wiped like in men in black..

thats why the ISPR didnt allow anyone access to the site..the ISI are too good..

Lack of independent media lets you get away with anything really. But the rest of the world is smarter than the local population to gobble up this b.s narrative while India isn't too far behind with the "300" claim with nothing to back it up. Atleast the journalists there actually question it and challenge it.
 
There was really no need for this. The clowns across the border had been embarrassed by independent open source info throughly
 
Do you guys seriously not understand the “timing” of this?

They are trying to undo modi’s efforts of staging this thing to look like a hero..

Its a weak attempt though. Would have been far more effective if they had done this sooner!
 
Satellites would let you know the geographic map of the area day to day. Cant believe some spy satellites would not observe the construction daily. If there were construction going on, the world would have known.

To indians, who believe the rhetoric of their government and media, you should seriously question the abilities of concerned personnel in India whose job was to prove that balakot strike actually hit the target.
 
Satellites would let you know the geographic map of the area day to day. Cant believe some spy satellites would not observe the construction daily. If there were construction going on, the world would have known.

To indians, who believe the rhetoric of their government and media, you should seriously question the abilities of concerned personnel in India whose job was to prove that balakot strike actually hit the target.

They **** down their own satellite that could have taken the pictures.. haha
 
There is more than ample evidence to suggest that India completely botched their attempt to hit the JeM terror camp. However, it is also a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists and we need to clean up our act.

When it comes to anti-terrorism rhetoric, we have zero credibility. The most wanted terrorist in the world Osama was found living half a mile from a military base in Abbottabad, and you have internationally recognized terrorists like Hafiz Saeed living not only under state protection but also playing politics.

Masood Azhar and JeM are also under state protection in spite of carrying multiple attacks on Indian soil.

Yet somehow, everyone is supposed to believe in our version events and convince themselves that Pakistan has not played any role in providing protection to terrorists and this is nothing but a conspiracy.

While we have the right to celebrate the upper hand over India in the last 2-3 months, we should not lose sight of what should be our only long-term battle - cleansing the country of various terrorist groups, both home grown and the ones who come plodding along to seek refuge.

It is of course understandable that our military and ISI needs these militants groups to fight their wars. However, the unique problem for Pakistan is that their sponsored groups are located within the country which is why there is a major security threat.

Pakistan cannot relocate them to Afghanistan because that is where the U.S. and India have their groups, so we have to find a way to ensure that these militants are not allowed to interact with our society and are certainly not allowed to enter politics and brainwash the masses.

This is the only solution to put an end to the mass brainwashing and achieve peace and prosperity, and it will also greatly improve our global image. Today, we are rightfully considered a country that harbors terrorists because that is the reputation that we deserve.
 
Lack of independent media lets you get away with anything really. But the rest of the world is smarter than the local population to gobble up this b.s narrative while India isn't too far behind with the "300" claim with nothing to back it up. Atleast the journalists there actually question it and challenge it.

so let me get this straight your saying the Pakistanis are lying. Even though the Indians have now admitted the madrassa was not a target but another structure (please look at the independant satellite imagery and help us find this structure). Even though independant satellite imagery researchers have verified that they could not corroborate the indian's claims. Its quite clear from whichever way you look at it using independant sources that the indians failed in their mission.

There is zero doubt about this from the independent media. You can totally ignore all pakistani sources and just use other sources and you will come to the same conclusion.

Unless you have an innate bias not to believe anything Pakistan is saying out of some racial or ethnic bias perhaps.
 
There is more than ample evidence to suggest that India completely botched their attempt to hit the JeM terror camp. However, it is also a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists and we need to clean up our act.

When it comes to anti-terrorism rhetoric, we have zero credibility. The most wanted terrorist in the world Osama was found living half a mile from a military base in Abbottabad, and you have internationally recognized terrorists like Hafiz Saeed living not only under state protection but also playing politics.

Masood Azhar and JeM are also under state protection in spite of carrying multiple attacks on Indian soil.

Yet somehow, everyone is supposed to believe in our version events and convince themselves that Pakistan has not played any role in providing protection to terrorists and this is nothing but a conspiracy.

While we have the right to celebrate the upper hand over India in the last 2-3 months, we should not lose sight of what should be our only long-term battle - cleansing the country of various terrorist groups, both home grown and the ones who come plodding along to seek refuge.

It is of course understandable that our military and ISI needs these militants groups to fight their wars. However, the unique problem for Pakistan is that their sponsored groups are located within the country which is why there is a major security threat.

Pakistan cannot relocate them to Afghanistan because that is where the U.S. and India have their groups, so we have to find a way to ensure that these militants are not allowed to interact with our society and are certainly not allowed to enter politics and brainwash the masses.

This is the only solution to put an end to the mass brainwashing and achieve peace and prosperity, and it will also greatly improve our global image. Today, we are rightfully considered a country that harbors terrorists because that is the reputation that we deserve.

this is a totally separate discussion and I would argue that the last month or so has given Pakistan more confidence and resolve to get rid of whatever so called groups may be left...
 
Even though independant satellite imagery researchers have verified that they could not corroborate the indian's claims. Its quite clear from whichever way you look at it using independant sources that the indians failed in their mission.

There is zero doubt about this from the independent media. You can totally ignore all pakistani sources and just use other sources and you will come to the same conclusion.

All I'm saying is Pakistan could've easily conclusively rubbished India's claims by giving journalists open access to the huts/schools or whatever it is in that location right after the strike (they've done the same during the alleged first cross-LOC raid by the indian special forces) - it isn't a sensitive military installation to be cordoned off.

Al Jazeera (and Reuters iirc) have both reported that they were blocked off from these alleged terrorist-training buildings while being given a tour of the trees/forested area below the hilltop on the day after the airtstrikes. Suggests something was hidden - won't know the extent of the damages but it wasn't a complete miss as Pakistan is claiming.

the truth may never come out amidst all this info-warfare crossfire but it sits somewhere between what India is claiming and what Pakistan is claiming. Why I don't believe what Pakistan is saying - too many contradictions and noone locally seems to question the blatant gaps. Foreign media can't seem to care any less and just directly quote the sources and be done with it - this stupid spat is insignificant.
 
All I'm saying is Pakistan could've easily conclusively rubbished India's claims by giving journalists open access to the huts/schools or whatever it is in that location right after the strike (they've done the same during the alleged first cross-LOC raid by the indian special forces) - it isn't a sensitive military installation to be cordoned off.

Al Jazeera (and Reuters iirc) have both reported that they were blocked off from these alleged terrorist-training buildings while being given a tour of the trees/forested area below the hilltop on the day after the airtstrikes. Suggests something was hidden - won't know the extent of the damages but it wasn't a complete miss as Pakistan is claiming.

the truth may never come out amidst all this info-warfare crossfire but it sits somewhere between what India is claiming and what Pakistan is claiming. Why I don't believe what Pakistan is saying - too many contradictions and noone locally seems to question the blatant gaps. Foreign media can't seem to care any less and just directly quote the sources and be done with it - this stupid spat is insignificant.

you're assertion would be correct if the madrassa had been flattened. It wasn't. that is the end of the issue. whether the PA blocked the area off which i would expect them to, to assess the damage even if there wasn't any, is irrelevant. that is the point. Everything ISPR has said (other than the second pilot issue that can be explained) has been proven to be true.
 
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