Frank ‘Typhoon’ Tyson passes away at age of 85

[Stallion__]

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/frank-typhoon-tyson-passes-away-at-age-of-85-333972

Frank ‘Typhoon’ Tyson has passed away in a hospital on Australia’s Gold Coast. The English bowler who was most reputed for his terror-inflicting raw pace, lived in Australia in the latter part of his life. Born on June 6, 1930, Tyson lived up to the age of 85 years. Tyson played a meager 17 Tests in his international career but took 76 wickets at a jaw-dropping average of 18.56. The bowler is regarded by some as the fastest bowler to have ever played international cricket, though lack of measuring systems in his era leave that to mere speculation.

While Tyson’s Test career did not last too long, his First-Class career saw him feature in 244 matches in which he accounted for an astounding 767 wickets at a stellar average of 20.89 with a strike-rate of 49.7.

Cricketers like Don Bradman, Richie Benaud have conceded that Tyson was the fastest bowler they had seen. After Tyson’s First-Class career ended in 1960, he took the definitive decision of settling in Australia. He fell in love with the country during course of marriage with his wife who was Australian. Tyson was quoted as saying “It had struck me while I was over there (Australia) that it was a wonderful country to bring up a family, with the open spaces, the climate and the job opportunities.”

Following his immigration to Australia, Tyson became a schoolmaster, at Carey Baptist Grammar School in Melbourne, and taught English, French and History. The fast bowler’s love for cricket took on other forms as he decided to take on a coaching role within the city and began to write on the sport for reputable media organisations. He was roped in as a cricket analyst and commentator on Australian Radio for 36 years and engaged in broadcasting duties with Channel Nine from 1979 to 1986.

After demise of Morris, Benaud and Rice in recent months, another past cricketing hero passes away.

Played only couple of seasons at his peak but left lasting impression in the memories. Fastest bowler of his time, who helped England win Ashes on Australian soil after 22 years, first time after that legendary "Bodyline" series.

Made his debut against Pakistan in that Oval Test where Fazal Mahmood scripted one of most memorable Pakistan wins.

Toured Australia next, and got some beating at the hands of Morris and Harvey in the first test. He turned it around in the next Sydney test, with sheer pace and ended up with his first 10 wicket haul. He was knocked out unconscious by Lindwall in second innings of that match while he was batting. He came back, and not only resumed his innings but also knocked Australia out in their second helping England to a 38 runs win.

Recurring injuries particularly right heel injury brought premature end to his career.

Sad day for world cricket.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Former England fast bowling great Frank Tyson passed away

Vale Frank Tyson: 1930-2015

Cricket Australia Chief Executive Officer James Sutherland has paid tribute to former England fast bowling great Frank Tyson who passed away in Queensland this morning.

“Frank ‘Typhoon’ Tyson will forever be remembered as a great of English cricket,” Mr Sutherland said.

“Throughout his career he struck fear into the hearts of batsmen around the globe. But once his playing days were over he chose to settle here in Australia, the country where he had become a household name.



“Over many years he became a much-loved and greatly admired member of the Australian cricket community where he coached and mentored countless players in Victoria and Queensland.



“He also made a wonderful contribution to the coverage of the game in Australia as a broadcaster and cricket writer.



“Cricket Australia mourns his loss and extends its deepest sympathies to his wife Ursula, family and friends at this sad time.”

Sir Donald Bradman called Tyson the fastest bowler he’d ever seen and Richie Benaud agreed. In a first-class career spanning just eight years, between 1952 and 1960, Tyson was renowned for his ability to generate tremendous speed off only a short run up.

In Tests he took 76 wickets for England from just 17 Tests. His Test bowling average (18.56) ranks him 7th on the list of those who have taken at least 75 wickets. He finished his first class career with an impressive 767 wickets for an average of 20.89.



It was during the 1954-55 Ashes tour of Australia when ‘Typhoon’ Tyson came to prominence. The tour started with a defeat in Brisbane where he picked up figures of 1 for 160. He shortened his run up for the Sydney Test where he took 10 wickets. He picked up another nine more in Melbourne. During the first innings of the latter Test, Tyson took his best Test match bowling figures 7 for 27. It resulted in England coming from behind, winning the match and eventually the series. This spell is regarded by many who saw it as one of the fastest in history. Tyson collected 28 wickets in total that series and was named one of five Wisden Cricketers of the Year in 1956.

Injuries and career opportunities forced him to retire from the game before he reached 30. He emigrated to Australia and became a school teacher at Melbourne’s Carey Baptist Grammar School where he taught English, French, History and mentored a school cricket team that featured future Australian captain Graham Yallop. He also worked at Ivanhoe Grammar. He continued to play at club level, turning out as captain-coach for Melbourne University and also representing Footscray.



In 1975 he became the first-ever full-time Victorian Coaching Director, a position he held for 12 years. Among Tyson's many achievements as a coach were Victoria's back-to-back Sheffield Shield triumphs in 1978-79 and 1979-80.



Upon his retirement in 1987, Tyson was awarded Cricket Victoria Life Membership in recognition of his successful efforts in pioneering a "coaching the coaches" development program.

He was a cricket writer for the London Observer, Daily Telegraph, Melbourne Age, and contributed to the Cricketer International magazine. He also wrote a number of his own books.

Tyson was also a respected cricket commentator on Australian radio for 36 years and for Channel Nine between 1979 and 1986, and later in life became an accomplished amateur painter.

He and wife Ursula retired to the Gold Coast in Queensland where their children lived. He continued to coach and stay involved in cricket for several years with the Gold Coast Dolphins Premier cricket club and local district clubs, as well as assisting Queensland Cricket in specialist programs into the early 2000s.

 

[Bhaijaan]

RIP.

Often heard his name from legends, must have been a special talent. I want to know why he only played 17 odd test? A modern cricketer plays that many in 1 and a half year and wouldnt be remembered if he retires with average of 100/20 in batting bowling.

 

[Zaz]

RIP.

Often heard his name from legends, must have been a special talent. I want to know why he only played 17 odd test? A modern cricketer plays that many in 1 and a half year and wouldnt be remembered if he retires with average of 100/20 in batting bowling.

There werent as many tests in them days plus tyson suffered badly from injuries throughout his career He retired early at age of 30 too

Was the fastest bowler of his time hence the nickname "typhoon" RIP

 

[Junaids]

And you just know that there will be kiddies on this board who will delude themselves that Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee or Shaun Tait were somehow quicker!

Farewell to a truly fearsome bowler.

 

[Tusker]

And you just know that there will be kiddies on this board who will delude themselves that Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee or Shaun Tait were somehow quicker!

Farewell to a truly fearsome bowler.

Have you seen him play ?


May his soul rest in peace.

 

[Junaids]

RIP.

Often heard his name from legends, must have been a special talent. I want to know why he only played 17 odd test? A modern cricketer plays that many in 1 and a half year and wouldnt be remembered if he retires with average of 100/20 in batting bowling.

Tyson made his debut in Pakistan's famous victory at The Oval in 1954, in which he took 4-35 and 1-22.

The simple answers to your question are:

1) his action wore out his body in 5 years, and
2) the rest of the bowling attack was so exceptional that there was no role for Typhoon Tyson except on tours to Australia where the selectors preferred him as a middle-class graduate to Trueman as an opinionated Yorkshireman.

The England attack of the 1950s consisted of:

Fred Trueman - second best fast bowler ever, similar to Dale Steyn but maintaining higher pace in his spells (145-150K)

Brian Statham - bowling into the wind with the accuracy of Glenn McGrath but 10-15K faster.

Jim Laker - greatest non-chucking off-spinner of all time.

Tony Lock - greatest chucking slow left-armer of all-time.

Just like Shoaib Akhtar would never displace Waqar, Wasim and Imran from Pakistan's All-Time Eleven, there was simply no role for Frank Tyson except when the selectors were persecuting Fred.

 

[Junaids]

Have you seen him play ?


May his soul rest in peace.

My Dad saw him. As I wrote above, he thinks that he was even quicker than Fred (in Australia he probably averaged 155K, and Benaud said that he was faster than Thommo who was measured at 160K after he injured his shoulder and had lost 5-10K).

The problem was that Fred was the greatest English fast bowler of all time while Statham was the world's greatest ever fast seam bowler. There was simply no place for Tyson in an era in which you required two spinners.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Average pace of 155 ks. ) Junaids should write the cricketing version of the Lord of the Rings. Some of the cricketers of olden times were mythical creatures capable of doing the highly improbable.

 

[Tusker]

My Dad saw him. As I wrote above, he thinks that he was even quicker than Fred (in Australia he probably averaged 155K, and Benaud said that he was faster than Thommo who was measured at 160K after he injured his shoulder and had lost 5-10K).

The problem was that Fred was the greatest English fast bowler of all time while Statham was the world's greatest ever fast seam bowler. There was simply no place for Tyson in an era in which you required two spinners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN1UAhYPByQ

Doesn't even look remotely close to a 140KPH fast bowler ... let alone someone who could bowl on an avg 155k.

I hope you realize why some of us "Kiddies" as you call us refuse to trust written words from past players and observers. Perhaps no other sport suffers from this malaise of blatant embellishments and outright lies passed off as facts.

 

[Junaids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN1UAhYPByQ

Doesn't even look remotely close to a 140KPH fast bowler ... let alone someone who could bowl on an avg 155k.

I hope you realize why some of us "Kiddies" as you call us refuse to trust written words from past players and observers. Perhaps no other sport suffers from this malaise of blatant embellishments and outright lies passed off as facts.

Think again.

The footage you have linked to is at the MCG, with the picket fence as the boundary. The slip cordon is standing around ten metres (yards) short of what would be a six hit with the modern fetish for short boundaries.

As I wrote earlier, Tyson did not have the classical action of a Statham or a Trueman which is why his career was so short bowling with such extreme pace - and there were whispers of chucking too.

But Richie Benaud was always quite clear and certain - he was quicker than Thomson, Shoaib, Lee and Tait. In an era of less covered pitches and of no helmets.

 

[Junaids]

There is an assumption when youngsters deride the players of yesteryear as slower or less technically accomplished that modern players are somehow "more professional".

It's nonsense, of course.

If you combine Tests, First Class matches, 50 overs and T20, Brett Lee bowled 27,000 balls - or 4,500 overs - in his career.

Fred Trueman bowled 42,000 balls - 7,000 professional overs.

That's why the players of yesteryear were more technically skilled, but it's also way people like Statham and Trueman didn't break down like Cummins or Pattinson or Starc or even Shoaib. Their bodies were far better conditioned for fast bowling, which is why they could sustain long spells and high pace.

Statham started out at the same 127-135K that Glenn McGrath started out his Test career bowling. But Statham gained an extra 10K and was fit enough to have a long career bowling 140-145K.

 

[Tusker]

Think again.

The footage you have linked to is at the MCG, with the picket fence as the boundary. The slip cordon is standing around ten metres (yards) short of what would be a six hit with the modern fetish for short boundaries.

Really !!! Slips standing back = Bowler bowling at 150+ ?

You can generally tell its a seriously quick bowler the moment you see one ... like Shoaib in this clip : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U-9G7YuQOE

Sorry but Tyson is just a medium pace bowler whose bowling speed began to climb after his retirement due to others brazenly embellishing his deeds.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Junaids and his fast bowling fairy tales.

You can't generate 90-95 mph pace with an action like that.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Condolences to Tyson's family and friends.

 

[axl100mph]

Junaids and his fast bowling fairy tales.

You can't generate 90-95 mph pace with an action like that.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. All of your posting credibility goes down the gutter when u start on harping about those black n white cricketers n their speeds.
Seriously how deluded u r or are u really?
As chacha pointed out, there is no way that ball travels at 155kph with that action. The mechanics r just not there.

I know my stuff coz I am a fast bowler myself who has done loads of research and employed various methodsin a bid to increase bowling speed.
I would seriously want to know what ian pont has to say about junaid's assertions.

Well if this is what u r going to dish up then I would rather be a kiddy than a deluded grandpa

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. All of your posting credibility goes down the gutter when u start on harping about those black n white cricketers n their speeds.
Seriously how deluded u r or are u really?
As chacha pointed out, there is no way that ball travels at 155kph with that action. The mechanics r just not there.

I know my stuff coz I am a fast bowler myself who has done loads of research and employed various methodsin a bid to increase bowling speed.
I would seriously want to know what ian pont has to say about junaid's assertions.

Well if this is what u r going to dish up then I would rather be a kiddy than a deluded grandpa

We often hear Sachinistas boast of Bradman's praise.

Well, Bradman, Benaud and Dickie Bird (who umpired the great West Indians and Waqar at his fastest and Thommo) all stated that Tyson was the fastest of all.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Tyson#Typhoon_Tyson

Tyson was measured at 142K (89 mph) bowling with no run-up whatsoever. He himself reckoned he bowled at 190K (119 mph).

Given the people like Benaud who verify that he was faster than Thommo and Shoaib and Adcock and Patterson, he must have been well into the 160s at least.

 

[Junaids]

Last of all, Tom Graveney has confirmed having to field FORTY YARDS behind the stumps at slip.

So almost twice as deep as Shoaib or Lee required at their fastest.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We often hear Sachinistas boast of Bradman's praise.

Well, Bradman, Benaud and Dickie Bird (who umpired the great West Indians and Waqar at his fastest and Thommo) all stated that Tyson was the fastest of all.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Tyson#Typhoon_Tyson

Tyson was measured at 142K (89 mph) bowling with no run-up whatsoever. He himself reckoned he bowled at 190K (119 mph).

Given the people like Benaud who verify that he was faster than Thommo and Shoaib and Adcock and Patterson, he must have been well into the 160s at least.

Dudeeeee.

Dudeeeeeeeee.

Dudeeeeeeeeeeee.

That guy must be crazy if he thinks that.

Is it even possible by humans to touch even 170?

 

[Junaids]

Dudeeeee.

Dudeeeeeeeee.

Dudeeeeeeeeeeee.

That guy must be crazy if he thinks that.

Is it even possible by humans to touch even 170?

190 was him, not me.

People who haven't studied physics think the limit is 170, like baseball. But the round arm action and standing start limit baseball speeds.

Personally, I think Tyson bowled 155 median, 170 max, but lacked the skill of Trueman (145 median, 150 max) or Statham (140 median, 147 max).

I don't think extreme pace is as admirable as skill. While I know that Tyson was quicker than Shoaib or Lee, he shouldn't even have been in Australia in 54-55: the moronic English selectors (ask [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]) should have taken Fred Trueman instead.

 

[Convict]

not sure how fast he was but by all account he was both seriously quick, bowling on uncovered pitches and was very accurate.

My uncles say there was one year where he was particularly really fast - estimates I've been told is mid to high 150s for short spells that series

Unfortunately his action led to a lot of injuries

 

[Tusker]

190 was him, not me.

People who haven't studied physics think the limit is 170, like baseball. But the round arm action and standing start limit baseball speeds.

Personally, I think Tyson bowled 155 median, 170 max, but lacked the skill of Trueman (145 median, 150 max) or Statham (140 median, 147 max).

I don't think extreme pace is as admirable as skill. While I know that Tyson was quicker than Shoaib or Lee, he shouldn't even have been in Australia in 54-55: the moronic English selectors (ask [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]) should have taken Fred Trueman instead.

WoW ... what is the speed YOU think Tyson is bowling at in the clip I posted ?

 

[Junaids]

WoW ... what is the speed YOU think Tyson is bowling at in the clip I posted ?

I think that ball was in the upper 140s.

The best-balanced review of his career is probably this one......

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/27/frank-tyson-england-fast-bowler-typhoon-cricket

 

[Stallion__]

Tyson is not medium pace in the video above. He is bowling fast.

Morris once said that difference between facing Tyson at one end and Brian Statham at the other was the same as the difference between facing Statham and Trevor Bailey. And Bailey was just a gentle medium pacer, IIRC keeper used to stand up when Bailey was bowling (someone can confirm it).

Tyson don't bend his back while releasing the ball unlike Statham (in the video), but he still is generating more pace. That leads to extra body pressure on knees and heels, so that might have caused him some injuries.

Bradman could have said Larwood was fastest to glorify his achievements in that series but he didn't.

Btw, where does this theory comes from that human body is not capable of bowling more than 100mph? (Not saying that Tyson was faster than that). There must be some limit, but I am not sure if its 100mph.

 

[Convict]

100mph is probably a pretty good theory for a conventional bowling action. I doubt it applies to a sling action due to the different mechanical action

 

[Junaids]

100mph is probably a pretty good theory for a conventional bowling action. I doubt it applies to a sling action due to the different mechanical action

I agree.

I think that at their fastest Holding and Roberts and Trueman and Waqar and Lee bowled in the 150s and occasionally touched 160.

And I think that slingers like Thommo and Tyson could combine the momentum from the run-up and leap with the thrust of their slingshot delivery to bowl faster than anyone can pitch in baseball and reach around 175K and possibly slightly quicker.

But give me a 145K Lillee over a 170K Thommo every time.

 

[Vayuu]

Heard tyson, roy gilchrist, Charles cortright and Thomson are the only bowlers , whose delivery after hitting the pitch hit the sight screen on full .

 

[Convict]

Heard tyson, roy gilchrist, Charles cortright and Thomson are the only bowlers , whose delivery after hitting the pitch hit the sight screen on full .

Thomson is the only one I have reliable confirmation for.

 

[Vayuu]

Thomson is the only one I have reliable confirmation for.

He did at Perth if iam not mistaken, by the way convict, isn't it strange that all these guys had slingy actions.

 

[Convict]

He did at Perth if iam not mistaken, by the way convict, isn't it strange that all these guys had slingy actions.

It was at Perth.

As for the way the slingy action does it - look at how javelin throwers throw or even why catapults work they way they do

 

[Vayuu]

Thomson is the only one I have reliable confirmation for.

This from wiki:
In 1954 at Old Trafford Tyson hit the sightscreen with the ball after it bounced once on the pitch. He is one of only four bowlers to have achieved this feat in the history of the game, the others being Charles Kortright, Roy Gilchrist and Jeff Thomson.

 

[Vayuu]

It was at Perth.

As for the way the slingy action does it - look at how javelin throwers throw or even why catapults work they way they do

No , I am talking about, the amazing similarities amongst them, was watching midnight tale and they showed what happened to nari contractor, when he was hit by gilchrist, almost on death bed and even west indian captain donated his blood to save him.

 

[zabalestmsm]

And you just know that there will be kiddies on this board who will delude themselves that Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee or Shaun Tait were somehow quicker!

Farewell to a truly fearsome bowler.

Shoaib Akhtar is officially the fastest bowler in the history of cricket!

It aint a delusion!

 

[Junaids]

Shoaib Akhtar is officially the fastest bowler in the history of cricket!

It aint a delusion!

Shoaib is the fastest bowler to have been measured in-play using twenty-first century technology.

But fewer than 0.1% of deliveries in international cricket history, and fewer than 0.01% in First Class cricket history have been measured for speed at all by any means or technology.

So it's a pretty meaningless accolade. And he's not even the quickest Pakistani bowler that I have ever seen - Waqar Younis bowled some even quicker spells in the period covering 1990 and 1991.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Thomson is the only one I have reliable confirmation for.

Is that really true about Thomson. Wasn't that an urban legend?

 

[Junaids]

Is that really true about Thomson. Wasn't that an urban legend?

Tom Graveney, as mentioned earlier in this thread, spoke of fielding in the slips 40 yards behind the stumps off the bowling of Typhoon Tyson.

The Eden Park straight boundaries are 59 yards. So we are talking about the wicketkeeper standing 2/3 of the way back to the boundary!

 

[Convict]

Is that really true about Thomson. Wasn't that an urban legend?

it's true.

 

[Tusker]

190 was him, not me.

People who haven't studied physics think the limit is 170, like baseball. But the round arm action and standing start limit baseball speeds.

Personally, I think Tyson bowled 155 median, 170 max, but lacked the skill of Trueman (145 median, 150 max) or Statham (140 median, 147 max).

I don't think extreme pace is as admirable as skill. While I know that Tyson was quicker than Shoaib or Lee, he shouldn't even have been in Australia in 54-55: the moronic English selectors (ask [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]) should have taken Fred Trueman instead.

If he bowled at 170max then that footage I posted earlier would be the one where he did it ... as that is considered to be his fastest spell .... Needless to say it is just pure bakwas.

Here is some more footage of Tyson bowling in a county match : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggskYcM-U3A

at half way you can see Cowdrey playing Tyson with ease on the front foot without being hurried at all. You cannot do that to a real quick. No way this guy is capable of bowling anything close to 140KPH.

And what exactly is wrong with his action that supposedly resulted in injuries ? He just simply does not have the physique of a fast bowler. Neither does he bend his back at all.

 

[Tusker]

Tom Graveney, as mentioned earlier in this thread, spoke of fielding in the slips 40 yards behind the stumps off the bowling of Typhoon Tyson.

The Eden Park straight boundaries are 59 yards. So we are talking about the wicketkeeper standing 2/3 of the way back to the boundary!

Sorry but there is no real evidence of that happening ... see footage in my previous post.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Frank's top speed 190 kph still doesn't beat Atul Sharma's peak pace 229 kph bowled at Ganja Patel stadium.

 

[Zaz]

im sure tyson was the fastest of his time, probably the fastest ever that had gone before him but judging from the clips and how athletes get stronger and faster as time goes on i very much doubt he was faster than lee or akhter in their pomp

 

[ChachaCricket]

100mph is probably a pretty good theory for a conventional bowling action. I doubt it applies to a sling action due to the different mechanical action

Shoaib was a slinger with hyper-extension. Tait was a slinger and Lee's action was from conventional. He was putting in maximum effort possible from footblock to bending his back. Not everyone can emulate that action.

100mph is not the absolute limit but it is around that mark. The limit would probably be around 102-103mph which I believe Shoaib touched in his earlier days when he wasn't recorded.

Watch Shoaib's earlier spells, you can possibly put in more effort. He was sprinting in, jumping, rock solid footblock and then the sling on top.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Shoaib was a slinger with hyper-extension. Tait was a slinger and Lee's action was from conventional. He was putting in maximum effort possible from footblock to bending his back. Not everyone can emulate that action.

100mph is not the absolute limit but it is around that mark. The limit would probably be around 102-103mph which I believe Shoaib touched in his earlier days when he wasn't recorded.

Watch Shoaib's earlier spells, you can possibly put in more effort. He was sprinting in, jumping, rock solid footblock and then the sling on top.

cannot*

 

[ChachaCricket]

Can't get faster than this.

 

[axl100mph]

Can't get faster than this.

Dont tell junaids about it. you'll ruin his dreamscape where 125kph trundlers r thought of as not 150 or 160 but 175,190 lmao

 

[axl100mph]

If he bowled at 170max then that footage I posted earlier would be the one where he did it ... as that is considered to be his fastest spell .... Needless to say it is just pure bakwas.

Here is some more footage of Tyson bowling in a county match : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggskYcM-U3A

at half way you can see Cowdrey playing Tyson with ease on the front foot without being hurried at all. You cannot do that to a real quick. No way this guy is capable of bowling anything close to 140KPH.

And what exactly is wrong with his action that supposedly resulted in injuries ? He just simply does not have the physique of a fast bowler. Neither does he bend his back at all.

Lol, just saw the video
And I believe... yes I believe that this guy bowled at 190 kph, just like I believe that unicorns exist

 

[axl100mph]

Can't get faster than this.

Imo, he was quicker in 2002, particularly that lahore test against nz, coz I think here in 1998, his front elbow was not locking with his abdomen at release, which meant that some of the momentum was not being directed forwards.

Plus if I remember, due to so many injuries, shoaib didnt brace his front knee like lee used to do.
The latter had the biomechanically perfect action as ian pont says and maximized his pace.

Had shoaib been able to brace his knee, he would hv had more leverage, which coupled with his hyperextension would hv allowed him to bowl at 165, probably the only guy capable of it.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Imo, he was quicker in 2002, particularly that lahore test against nz, coz I think here in 1998, his front elbow was not locking with his abdomen at release, which meant that some of the momentum was not being directed forwards.

Plus if I remember, due to so many injuries, shoaib didnt brace his front knee like lee used to do.
The latter had the biomechanically perfect action as ian pont says and maximized his pace.

Had shoaib been able to brace his knee, he would hv had more leverage, which coupled with his hyperextension would hv allowed him to bowl at 165, probably the only guy capable of it.

It's give and take really. Here he's clearly younger with a fresher body and knees and a faster run-up creating momentum. Also bowling against the best players of pace. There's hardly any backlift and they were struggling to move their bat in place.

It wasn't due to injuries rather because of his jump, he's hitting the ground with so much force, you'll need tank legs to brace that much force while keeping your knees locked.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Imo, he was quicker in 2002, particularly that lahore test against nz, coz I think here in 1998, his front elbow was not locking with his abdomen at release, which meant that some of the momentum was not being directed forwards.

Plus if I remember, due to so many injuries, shoaib didnt brace his front knee like lee used to do.
The latter had the biomechanically perfect action as ian pont says and maximized his pace.

Had shoaib been able to brace his knee, he would hv had more leverage, which coupled with his hyperextension would hv allowed him to bowl at 165, probably the only guy capable of it.

2001/02 - 2003/04 Akhtar was devastatingly quick. Capable of taking wickets through sheer pace.

 

[Tusker]

Shoaib was a slinger with hyper-extension. Tait was a slinger and Lee's action was from conventional. He was putting in maximum effort possible from footblock to bending his back. Not everyone can emulate that action.

100mph is not the absolute limit but it is around that mark. The limit would probably be around 102-103mph which I believe Shoaib touched in his earlier days when he wasn't recorded.

Watch Shoaib's earlier spells, you can possibly put in more effort. He was sprinting in, jumping, rock solid footblock and then the sling on top.

Agree with this. Good post.

 

[Junaids]

It's give and take really. Here he's clearly younger with a fresher body and knees and a faster run-up creating momentum. Also bowling against the best players of pace. There's hardly any backlift and they were struggling to move their bat in place.

It wasn't due to injuries rather because of his jump, he's hitting the ground with so much force, you'll need tank legs to brace that much force while keeping your knees locked.

That 97-98 series in South Africa really saw Shoaib bowl with express pace. It saddens me that he never even reached 200 Test wickets, in spite of a 13 year international career. What a terrible waste of enormous talent. Criminal waste, really.

 

[axl100mph]

That 97-98 series in South Africa really saw Shoaib bowl with express pace. It saddens me that he never even reached 200 Test wickets, in spite of a 13 year international career. What a terrible waste of enormous talent. Criminal waste, really.

Its all a story of could a beens with shoaib. He could hv been very valuable for us in big tournis coz unlike waz, he wasnt into shady stuff.
He was in great form in 2006, when that performance enhancing drug scandal broke out, which resulted in him missing the.next years world cup as well.
Then, that petty squabble with asif which was blown out of proportion by the media got him out of the world t20, where he could hv made a huge difference.

the most gifted bowler in terms of generating natural speed that could hardly make a prominent mark in cricketing folklore.

 

[Tusker]

That 97-98 series in South Africa really saw Shoaib bowl with express pace. It saddens me that he never even reached 200 Test wickets, in spite of a 13 year international career. What a terrible waste of enormous talent. Criminal waste, really.

About the only thing that I will agree with you in this thread ...

 

[Junaids]

About the only thing that I will agree with you in this thread ...

Okay, fair comment, let's address things a bit differently.

We surely all agree that Fred Trueman operated mainly in the 140s?

We surely all agree that Brian Statham, bowling into the wind, operated mainly in the low 140s? (dipping down into the high 130s when he bowled long spells, and he was measured at 139K in two sweaters off a short run-up in Wellington).

Batsmen and bowlers alike agreed that:

1) Tyson was significantly quicker than both, albeit in short spells.
2) the England selectors felt safe to indulge their anti-Trueman vendetta on the tour of Australia in 54-55 because in Tyson they had a quicker bowler anyway, albeit a much less skilled one.

So what speed do you think that Tyson bowled, at his fastest?

 

[Tusker]

Okay, fair comment, let's address things a bit differently.

We surely all agree that Fred Trueman operated mainly in the 140s?

We surely all agree that Brian Statham, bowling into the wind, operated mainly in the low 140s? (dipping down into the high 130s when he bowled long spells, and he was measured at 139K in two sweaters off a short run-up in Wellington).

Batsmen and bowlers alike agreed that:

1) Tyson was significantly quicker than both, albeit in short spells.
2) the England selectors felt safe to indulge their anti-Trueman vendetta on the tour of Australia in 54-55 because in Tyson they had a quicker bowler anyway, albeit a much less skilled one.

So what speed do you think that Tyson bowled, at his fastest?

I do not agree your speed ratings of Trueman, Statham and infact any fast bowler from the past. Sorry.

You are so fixated with opinions from experts that you take them as Gods words. What you do not realize is that almost any expert from the past is invested in some way or the other in the stock of that ERA. For example do you really expect anyone including the Benauds, the Huttons, the Cowdreys the Boycotts etc etc to paint the players of that era as far lesser than the current lot ? Why would they want to do that? Think ! Thats why these rare footage's are the only truly un-biased pieces of evidence that we can rely upon in this matter.

Secondly .... when it comes to Superfast bowlers you immediately recognize that you are watching one. A fast bowler is an exhilarating sight. Only few bowlers generate that feeling inside you. Bond, Akhtar, Brett Lee and Johnson and sometimes Waqar are the ONLY truly express fast bowlers.

Ask any idiot with even superficial knowledge about cricket and he will recognize an Akhtar spell as fast. You just simply do not get that feeling watching *ANY* of the fast bowlers from bygone era's.

To answer your question about Tyson's speed : approx 120-130KPH

And there is a way to figure it out too ... by measuring the time it takes the ball to reach the batsman and compare it with say Shoaib's for which speed is known. Will take a bit of time so if anyone has some free time I would appreciate if they took a shot at it.

 

[Junaids]

I do not agree your speed ratings of Trueman, Statham and infact any fast bowler from the past. Sorry.

You are so fixated with opinions from experts that you take them as Gods words. What you do not realize is that almost any expert from the past is invested in some way or the other in the stock of that ERA. For example do you really expect anyone including the Benauds, the Huttons, the Cowdreys the Boycotts etc etc to paint the players of that era as far lesser than the current lot ? Why would they want to do that? Think ! Thats why these rare footage's are the only truly un-biased pieces of evidence that we can rely upon in this matter.

Secondly .... when it comes to Superfast bowlers you immediately recognize that you are watching one. A fast bowler is an exhilarating sight. Only few bowlers generate that feeling inside you. Bond, Akhtar, Brett Lee and Johnson and sometimes Waqar are the ONLY truly express fast bowlers.

Ask any idiot with even superficial knowledge about cricket and he will recognize an Akhtar spell as fast. You just simply do not get that feeling watching *ANY* of the fast bowlers from bygone era's.

To answer your question about Tyson's speed : approx 120-130KPH

And there is a way to figure it out too ... by measuring the time it takes the ball to reach the batsman and compare it with say Shoaib's for which speed is known. Will take a bit of time so if anyone has some free time I would appreciate if they took a shot at it.

Nice try, but the speed of both Tyson (off a zero pace run-up) and Statham (off four paces) were recorded in Wellington at 142K and 139K respectively.

So it is absurd to argue that he bowled at 120-130K in matches.

It is a matter of record that one Thomson delivery hit the WACA sight screen without bouncing after passing the batsman and one Tyson delivery in 54-55 bounced around a metre inside the boundary.

That is express bowling.

Otherwise, why was he called Typhoon when Statham bowled at 139K?

 

[Junaids]

Also, Fred Trueman bowled 40,000 odd balls in his career. Why would he not have learned how to bowl as fast as modern players when he had more practice than them?

 

[ChachaCricket]

Nice try, but the speed of both Tyson (off a zero pace run-up) and Statham (off four paces) were recorded in Wellington at 142K and 139K respectively.

So it is absurd to argue that he bowled at 120-130K in matches.

It is a matter of record that one Thomson delivery hit the WACA sight screen without bouncing after passing the batsman and one Tyson delivery in 54-55 bounced around a metre inside the boundary.

That is express bowling.

Otherwise, why was he called Typhoon when Statham bowled at 139K?

Lol I've heard on the bounce, now I'm hearing without bouncing. When was this exactly?

 

[Junaids]

Lol I've heard on the bounce, now I'm hearing without bouncing. When was this exactly?

WACA 1974-75. Hit the base of the sight screen.

Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...mitchell-johnson/story-fni2fnmo-1226834729518

 

[ChachaCricket]

WACA 1974-75. Hit the base of the sight screen.

Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...mitchell-johnson/story-fni2fnmo-1226834729518

Then there should be footage.

 

[Junaids]

Then there should be footage.

For most of us, this is all we need to know about 1974 at the WACA.......

Enjoy!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...erils-Perth--I-know-Thommo-drilled-groin.html

 

[Tusker]

Also, Fred Trueman bowled 40,000 odd balls in his career. Why would he not have learned how to bowl as fast as modern players when he had more practice than them?

I cant believe that you ask this question !!! It is the same reason why Kapil could not despite nearly 39K balls bowled in Intl cricket alone. If you consider FC then add another 20K+ .

Genuine Fast bowlers are born ... and they are freakin very very Rare !! Also you need to be able to find a way to come to terms with hard facts about players from long by-gone era's and the tall ( often Fake ) stories told about them. Its pretty easy to see thru the BS in the modern age. Cant hide anything.

 

[Junaids]

By the way, I've heard a different version of the Thommo story to Chappelli and [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION].

I've never checked the dates, but the caretaker where I used to work in Brisbane told me this story.

Arriving in Australia in late 1974, England thought that Lillee had yet to return from his fractured back and thought that Thommo was a nobody.

But as soon as they landed in Sydney, Lillee returned for WA.

England had four weeks (yes, four!) of warm-up matches before the First Test at the end of November. In mid-November, according to my former colleague, Queensland played WA at the Gabba, not the WACA. And while Thommo was wildly erratic, it was there, at the Gabba, that he bowled his half-volley onto the base of the sight screen. And ensured his call-up for the First Test, as well as striking fear into the touring MCC party. Lillee and Marsh were playing and ensured that the whole cricket world heard about Thommo.

 

[Red Devil]

Can't get faster than this.

Damn, look at the swing to go with that kind of pace! That was just beautiful.

 

[Tusker]

By the way, I've heard a different version of the Thommo story to Chappelli and [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION].

I've never checked the dates, but the caretaker where I used to work in Brisbane told me this story.

Arriving in Australia in late 1974, England thought that Lillee had yet to return from his fractured back and thought that Thommo was a nobody.

But as soon as they landed in Sydney, Lillee returned for WA.

England had four weeks (yes, four!) of warm-up matches before the First Test at the end of November. In mid-November, according to my former colleague, Queensland played WA at the Gabba, not the WACA. And while Thommo was wildly erratic, it was there, at the Gabba, that he bowled his half-volley onto the base of the sight screen. And ensured his call-up for the First Test, as well as striking fear into the touring MCC party. Lillee and Marsh were playing and ensured that the whole cricket world heard about Thommo.

What you fail to understand is that it probably hit a crack and took off (Assuming it is a true event ) . No other way to explain it as Thommo himself never was able to repeat it.

 

[Tusker]

Nice try, but the speed of both Tyson (off a zero pace run-up) and Statham (off four paces) were recorded in Wellington at 142K and 139K respectively.

So it is absurd to argue that he bowled at 120-130K in matches.

It is a matter of record that one Thomson delivery hit the WACA sight screen without bouncing after passing the batsman and one Tyson delivery in 54-55 bounced around a metre inside the boundary.

That is express bowling.

Otherwise, why was he called Typhoon when Statham bowled at 139K?

I have tried to Google the Wellington Story but there is absolutely nothing that comes up other than Tysons own words. If it was such a success a whole lot of bowlers would have been measured. My take is that the scientific community realized the flaws and quietly dumped the experiment.

 

[MMHS]

Think again.

The footage you have linked to is at the MCG, with the picket fence as the boundary. The slip cordon is standing around ten metres (yards) short of what would be a six hit with the modern fetish for short boundaries.

As I wrote earlier, Tyson did not have the classical action of a Statham or a Trueman which is why his career was so short bowling with such extreme pace - and there were whispers of chucking too.

But Richie Benaud was always quite clear and certain - he was quicker than Thomson, Shoaib, Lee and Tait. In an era of less covered pitches and of no helmets.

I was going though all the posts, let's not go to discussing that.

As I said in another post phast bowlers in 20s, 30s to 50s could be Cyborg - in an era of 23 overs/hour they could bowl for 35-38 overs per day & still could generate 170~190 mile, sorry km speed from an action & arm movements that we can see in this clip from a 8 step run ups - T1000?, could be...

Now, coming to the clip - I have an engineering degree from a top 20 technical school in world, have little knowledge about the mechanics & motion. The slip here is standing about 30 metres away, I guess, may be 35. Apart from the bowler bowling at 190km, it could be, just could be a case that the slip fielder is not so competent.... I mean, once I heard someone old & great suggesting that Azhar wasn't that good a slip fielder because he is standing 10 steps apart against Kumble (on a 5th day Chennai track) from where Sobers used to stand against Gibbs....

Any way, my engineering mind is asking me a question - the WK is standing about 15 metres from batsman, ok could be 18, but not 20 because he is closer to the batsman than umpire who is around 20 metres in front. Now, by the law of mechanics, I am struggling to justify how an object of 5.5 oz, thrown at 40mt/sec (144km/hr) can cross the batsman at 5' height & reach to WK 18 meters behind at knee height - I am sure you can explain that from the slowness of the wicket, but still......

Ok, Tyson might have bowled at 170km as I haven't seen him, & he might have got 7/27 from effort balls, which must be close to 190km, as these greats never exaggerate themselves or their peers, but if these balls at the clips are measured more than 125km, I might have to return back to school to complete my degree...

 

[Junaids]

I was going though all the posts, let's not go to discussing that.

As I said in another post phast bowlers in 20s, 30s to 50s could be Cyborg - in an era of 23 overs/hour they could bowl for 35-38 overs per day & still could generate 170~190 mile, sorry km speed from an action & arm movements that we can see in this clip from a 8 step run ups - T1000?, could be...

Now, coming to the clip - I have an engineering degree from a top 20 technical school in world, have little knowledge about the mechanics & motion. The slip here is standing about 30 metres away, I guess, may be 35. Apart from the bowler bowling at 190km, it could be, just could be a case that the slip fielder is not so competent.... I mean, once I heard someone old & great suggesting that Azhar wasn't that good a slip fielder because he is standing 10 steps apart against Kumble (on a 5th day Chennai track) from where Sobers used to stand against Gibbs....

Any way, my engineering mind is asking me a question - the WK is standing about 15 metres from batsman, ok could be 18, but not 20 because he is closer to the batsman than umpire who is around 20 metres in front. Now, by the law of mechanics, I am struggling to justify how an object of 5.5 oz, thrown at 40mt/sec (144km/hr) can cross the batsman at 5' height & reach to WK 18 meters behind at knee height - I am sure you can explain that from the slowness of the wicket, but still......

Ok, Tyson might have bowled at 170km as I haven't seen him, & he might have got 7/27 from effort balls, which must be close to 190km, as these greats never exaggerate themselves or their peers, but if these balls at the clips are measured more than 125km, I might have to return back to school to complete my degree...

Great post.

190K has never been my opinion of Tyson.

I think you are confusing a few different attributes of a few different bowlers, to be honest.

Brian Statham could bowl 30 overs in a day and probably operated at around 135-140K when he did so, a bit faster when he bowled less.

If you recall the impact of the debutant Fred Trueman against India (0-4 in their second innings and a spell of 8-31 two Tests later) I have no doubt that he bowled in the high 140s in Tests. As I wrote earlier, similar to Dale Steyn except his bricklaying youth meant that he could sustain his highest pace for longer spells.

Tyson was different. He could only bowl express in short bursts, like Mitchell Johnson. But he was at least 10K quicker than Trueman in such spells. I suspect that in such short spells he was like Thommo, mainly bowling in the range 155-160K for three or four 8 ball overs.

The clip means nothing. I don't think it was one of his quickest balls.

 

[Tusker]

I was going though all the posts, let's not go to discussing that.

As I said in another post phast bowlers in 20s, 30s to 50s could be Cyborg - in an era of 23 overs/hour they could bowl for 35-38 overs per day & still could generate 170~190 mile, sorry km speed from an action & arm movements that we can see in this clip from a 8 step run ups - T1000?, could be...

Now, coming to the clip - I have an engineering degree from a top 20 technical school in world, have little knowledge about the mechanics & motion. The slip here is standing about 30 metres away, I guess, may be 35. Apart from the bowler bowling at 190km, it could be, just could be a case that the slip fielder is not so competent.... I mean, once I heard someone old & great suggesting that Azhar wasn't that good a slip fielder because he is standing 10 steps apart against Kumble (on a 5th day Chennai track) from where Sobers used to stand against Gibbs....

Any way, my engineering mind is asking me a question - the WK is standing about 15 metres from batsman, ok could be 18, but not 20 because he is closer to the batsman than umpire who is around 20 metres in front. Now, by the law of mechanics, I am struggling to justify how an object of 5.5 oz, thrown at 40mt/sec (144km/hr) can cross the batsman at 5' height & reach to WK 18 meters behind at knee height - I am sure you can explain that from the slowness of the wicket, but still......

Ok, Tyson might have bowled at 170km as I haven't seen him, & he might have got 7/27 from effort balls, which must be close to 190km, as these greats never exaggerate themselves or their peers, but if these balls at the clips are measured more than 125km, I might have to return back to school to complete my degree...

Well said and it was the exact same thought process that led me to conclude that Tyson isnt bowling anywhere close to the speeds he is associated with.

 

[Tusker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x4ZeGDt2TU

This is what I was talking about how to approximately measure bowling speed ... in that clip check at around 1:59 and you will see what Iam talking about. A bowl bowled at 142.8 KPH takes 0.56 seconds to reach the stumps. If someone can do that to one of the Tyson deliveries we can know approx.

Any volunteers ?

 

[MMHS]

Great post.

190K has never been my opinion of Tyson.

I think you are confusing a few different attributes of a few different bowlers, to be honest.

Brian Statham could bowl 30 overs in a day and probably operated at around 135-140K when he did so, a bit faster when he bowled less.

If you recall the impact of the debutant Fred Trueman against India (0-4 in their second innings and a spell of 8-31 two Tests later) I have no doubt that he bowled in the high 140s in Tests. As I wrote earlier, similar to Dale Steyn except his bricklaying youth meant that he could sustain his highest pace for longer spells.

Tyson was different. He could only bowl express in short bursts, like Mitchell Johnson. But he was at least 10K quicker than Trueman in such spells. I suspect that in such short spells he was like Thommo, mainly bowling in the range 155-160K for three or four 8 ball overs.

The clip means nothing. I don't think it was one of his quickest balls.

Regarding that 8-31 effort (0/4 start by IND of 1952) might be also due to the batsmen batting for IND that time. I mean, Ponkaj Roy, DK Gakewad, Umrighar & Bijay Manj'kar were not exactly Tend'kwr, Dravid, Azrar, Viru or VVS you know. IND of 52 was a bit different than IND of 2002.

The problem is Cricket is not like athelatics that you beat the 100mt by time - so Jesse Owens, can be a great, great..... Great Olympian, but he wasn't a faster sprinter than ...... Florence Griffith Joyner.

Cricket is played against your peers - Imran, Marshall, Hadllee & Viv, Greg or Javed averaged ~20 with ball or ~50 with bat playing each other's - so if someone born 50 years earlier than me says that Bradman would have averaged 200 in 80s because Imran, Hadlee or Marshall would have struggled to make the county/shield sides in 1930s, or vice verse - Viv or Greg would have played for A sides in the era of Hammond, Hobbs or Bradman - I can't argue, as I don't have a time machine.

However, one thing we can do (which snob & elitists 'll never allow to bust the myth) is use modern technology to analyze the footage of the fastest balls by Larwood or Tyson (it's possible - you can break motion pictures by frames & the movement of an object in micro second difference 'll give the speed) few things 'll be cleared.

US is a bit different place - Now, regarding baseball pitch - in USA as well there were lot of myths - someone could throw at 150mile in 1900.... Something like that. Then Randy Johnson officially reached 100 mile in 1996 (?)... 10 years after that, a crazy photo engineer did something I suggested here - analyzed fasted pitches of old footage. In baseball, official fastest pitch is 109 mile & since Johnson, there are about 50 pitches over 100 miles in last 20 years, BUT, some of those 'fast ball of 150 mile" of 30s & 40s or earlier started to come out surprising - even up to 72 miles .... Obviously, the technology was challenged, but machine is not biased.....

 

[Junaids]

Regarding that 8-31 effort (0/4 start by IND of 1952) might be also due to the batsmen batting for IND that time. I mean, Ponkaj Roy, DK Gakewad, Umrighar & Bijay Manj'kar were not exactly Tend'kwr, Dravid, Azrar, Viru or VVS you know. IND of 52 was a bit different than IND of 2002.

The problem is Cricket is not like athelatics that you beat the 100mt by time - so Jesse Owens, can be a great, great..... Great Olympian, but he wasn't a faster sprinter than ...... Florence Griffith Joyner.

Cricket is played against your peers - Imran, Marshall, Hadllee & Viv, Greg or Javed averaged ~20 with ball or ~50 with bat playing each other's - so if someone born 50 years earlier than me says that Bradman would have averaged 200 in 80s because Imran, Hadlee or Marshall would have struggled to make the county/shield sides in 1930s, or vice verse - Viv or Greg would have played for A sides in the era of Hammond, Hobbs or Bradman - I can't argue, as I don't have a time machine.

However, one thing we can do (which snob & elitists 'll never allow to bust the myth) is use modern technology to analyze the footage of the fastest balls by Larwood or Tyson (it's possible - you can break motion pictures by frames & the movement of an object in micro second difference 'll give the speed) few things 'll be cleared.

US is a bit different place - Now, regarding baseball pitch - in USA as well there were lot of myths - someone could throw at 150mile in 1900.... Something like that. Then Randy Johnson officially reached 100 mile in 1996 (?)... 10 years after that, a crazy photo engineer did something I suggested here - analyzed fasted pitches of old footage. In baseball, official fastest pitch is 109 mile & since Johnson, there are about 50 pitches over 100 miles in last 20 years, BUT, some of those 'fast ball of 150 mile" of 30s & 40s or earlier started to come out surprising - even up to 72 miles .... Obviously, the technology was challenged, but machine is not biased.....

Firstly, Flo Jo was clearly a steroid cheat. Look at the photos and the comical cause of early death.

Secondly, we actually can't measure pace from old film. None of the TV footage is from behind the bowler's arm, so we cannot triangulate and measure the actual distances. An Australian university tried to do it with Bodyline footage and gave it up as impossible to do.

 

[MMHS]

Firstly, Flo Jo was clearly a steroid cheat. Look at the photos and the comical cause of early death.

Secondly, we actually can't measure pace from old film. None of the TV footage is from behind the bowler's arm, so we cannot triangulate and measure the actual distances. An Australian university tried to do it with Bodyline footage and gave it up as impossible to do.

I know both of the facts - though not sure if Roger Bannister, Pavel Nurmi or Jesé Owens were clean or not. How do you know when even in 60s they couldn't identify cocaine from urin sample, let alone steroids, but I won't point finger to anyone from past here - you live within the contemporary world.

For the 2nd part - this technical limitation is still holding lots of myths, infact allowing to blow it out of proportion. But I am sure a day 'll come when technology 'll be able to measure the speed of old 2D archieves - waiting for that.

 

[Junaids]

I know both of the facts - though not sure if Roger Bannister, Pavel Nurmi or Jesé Owens were clean or not. How do you know when even in 60s they couldn't identify cocaine from urin sample, let alone steroids, but I won't point finger to anyone from past here - you live within the contemporary world.

For the 2nd part - this technical limitation is still holding lots of myths, infact allowing to blow it out of proportion. But I am sure a day 'll come when technology 'll be able to measure the speed of old 2D archieves - waiting for that.

Actually, secrets about cheating tend to come out. We know that the 1954 and 1974 West German World Cup winning teams were doped, as well as the 1974 Dutch runners-up. I'd be very surprised if Bannister or Owens were not clean.

I think that top cricketers have had similar levels of professionalism since the Second World War. Miller and Tyson and Hall and Trueman and Adcock would be as exceptional now as they were then. By the same token, so too would have been McGrath and Tendulkar and Warne had they played 40 years earlier.

 

[Tusker]

Frame by frame snaphots of Tysons delivery :

0 - 3 (of 18 )

 

[Tusker]

Frame by frame snaphots of Tysons delivery :

4 - 8 (of 18 )

 

[Tusker]

Frame by frame snaphots of Tysons delivery :

9 - 13 (of 18 )

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION],
Thanks for breaking it down.

I now realise that that delivery was considerably quicker than I first thought. The delivery is full and on off-stump, yet instead of playing forward the batsman plays back to try to buy himself fractionally more time, yet only just jams his bat down in time.

So definitely quicker than it at first appeared.

 

[Tusker]

Frame by frame snaphots of Tysons delivery :

14 - 18 (of 18 )

 

[Tusker]

So [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Here is the calculation :

Time taken = 2:01.25 (approx Release) Minus 2:01.77 (approx impact) = 0.52 seconds

approx distance travelled = 17.68 mtrs

Best Speed = 17.68*3.6/0.49 = 129KMPH ( assumes impact at 2:01.74 )
Realistic Speed = 17.68*3.6/0.52 = 122KMPH

Note :

1. This is a full toss so advantage Tyson as actual distance travelled is lesser + No loss of speed after impact with ground. ( Compared to the Shoaib Akhtar delivery posted earlier in this thread )
2. Ball is not exactly released in line with the popping crease (usually slightly ahead ) but we assume that it is. So this again is advantage to Tyson.
3. release is between 2:01:24 and 2:01.27 ... I took 2:01.25 which is closer.
4. Impact is between 2:01.74 and 2:01.80 ... I took 2:01.77 which is the avg.