George Floyd killing: Former police officer Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Technics 1210]

Would Chauvin have done the same if that was a white man who he was dying due to his knee being on his neck? Woud he have even dared to put his knee on the white man's neck as he did? The answers are no.



The defense tried the carbon monoxide reason, they tried the reason of Floyd's heart was too big, they tried that he had taken drugs and it all turned out to be rubbish and was proven to be rubbish by witnesses.

The defense also tried the congresswoman mistrial line, and the judge threw it out within a few seconds.

Chauvin wouldn't have done the same if suspect was white, I agree, but not because Chauvin is a racist, but because the white suspect would've complied with police instructions. Floyd was given many chances to comply while he was sitting in his car but he didn't. Rest is history.

The reality is the court couldn't prove intention, so the point of racism doesn't fly in court. He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder which was unintentional.

The cop was also on duty, he didn't wake up thinking he would be a racist that morning and target a completely random call out. Plus there was no history of racism with Chauvin as far as I know.

Retrial or no retrial, it doesn't matter because these days its trial by the media.

 

[guna]

America after all these years still trying to get in grips with the racial issue. America is a success story. But racial unity has been a failure. I get a feeling that Race in America is like Caste in India. Not easy to get away from it.

 

[Technics 1210]

I forgot to mention, even white suspects are not safe when facing the police.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/dallas-police-officers-video-bodycam-tony-timpa

Tony Timpa was white, he was on prescribed medication, he shouted 'you're gonna kill me', police officers mocked him, and he died.

Police brutality in USA doesn't care about the colour of skin.

 

[Technics 1210]

PS. Tony Timpa was floored for 13 minutes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cops will be more careful?

I doubt it. Not after a policer officer was murdered by a black suspect about 3 weeks ago outside the Whitehouse. The story was tucked away while the trial was going on - it's obvious why.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/us-capitol-building-locked-reports-gunshots/

I think this case will divide and fuel the race war in USA.

This is why I now refuse to debate with BLM and lefties now. They only see, hear, and listen to what the media feeds them and as such have no opinion of their own, other than if you disagree, you're a racist.

I mean more careful if they want to take another person out, any race.

BLM and their supporters lack intelligence and esp integrity. To them Black lives not only mater but are more important, otherwise they would stand with police or any other race who is killed unlawfuly.

I dont give a damn if they think I'm racist, the truth must be said even if it sounds bitter to some.

It almost seemed they weren't too happy with the verdict because they couldnt riot. In their rally they said whatever the verdict they wont stop. I'd guess by the end of this year, another story will be made viral and more choas by these so called liberals.

 

[guna]

I forgot to mention, even white suspects are not safe when facing the police.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/dallas-police-officers-video-bodycam-tony-timpa

Tony Timpa was white, he was on prescribed medication, he shouted 'you're gonna kill me', police officers mocked him, and he died.

Police brutality in USA doesn't care about the colour of skin.

BLM and Democrats do not agree with you.

 

[Saj]

Chauvin wouldn't have done the same if suspect was white, I agree, but not because Chauvin is a racist, but because the white suspect would've complied with police instructions. Floyd was given many chances to comply while he was sitting in his car but he didn't. Rest is history.

As experts in police training and police officers said during the trial, a decent police officer would have diffused the situation, not escalated events.

Floyd was in handcuffs, face down into the ground, not moving, struggling to breathe, yet Chauvin didn't move his whole body weight off his neck. In fact even when Floyd was dead, motionless, and when the paramedics arrived to check Floyd, Chauvin still wouldn't get off his neck. Rest is history.

He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder which was unintentional.

He was found guilty of all 3 charges not one charge.

Retrial or no retrial, it doesn't matter because these days its trial by the media.

Retrial or no retrial, Chauvin is a murderer.

 

[Technics 1210]

As experts in police training and police officers said during the trial, a decent police officer would have diffused the situation, not escalated events.

Floyd was in handcuffs, face down into the ground, not moving, struggling to breathe, yet Chauvin didn't move off his whole body weight off his neck. In fact even when Floyd was dead, and when the paramedics arrived to check Floyd, Chauvin still wouldn't get off his neck. Rest is history.


He was found guilty of all 3 charges not one charge.

Retrial or no retrial, Chauvin is a murderer.

No one is suggesting Chauvin was innocent. An incompetent officer for sure.

Police methods have been bought into question, and should change. Yes he was found guilty of all 3 charges but the biggest charge was 2nd degree murder, unintentional. If there was intent, there is motive - wasn't the case.

My point is that the media, BLM, left, called this crime out as racist, when it wasn't, and it couldn't even be proved in a court of law.

So lets call this what it is, police brutality. Unless people want to reject the verdict and still claim Chauvin was racist in the absence of any credible evidence.

 

[Technics 1210]

BLM and Democrats do not agree with you.

Couldn't care less, wouldn't be the first time.

However BLM and Democrats cannot disagree with this:

White - 427
Black - 241
Hispanic - 169
Other - 28
Unknown 126

These are the number of people who died at the hands of the police in 2020, USA, by race.

Yet the media only ever sensationalises black victims giving the impression that the police in USA is racist towards blacks and no other race. Police brutality is the problem in the US police force, not racism.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Society that is reliant on the media has forgotton how to be objective.

 

[guna]

Couldn't care less, wouldn't be the first time.

However BLM and Democrats cannot disagree with this:

White - 427
Black - 241
Hispanic - 169
Other - 28
Unknown 126

These are the number of people who died at the hands of the police in 2020, USA, by race.

Yet the media only ever sensationalises black victims giving the impression that the police in USA is racist towards blacks and no other race. Police brutality is the problem in the US police force, not racism.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Society that is reliant on the media has forgotton how to be objective.

Thanks for the info.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ive just watched a report from a BLM activist who said, its not justice because Floyd is still dead. She also said the other cops present must be bought to justice.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This isnt over yet.

Even if one is aquitted, there will be riots.

 

[Major]

Chauvin wouldn't have done the same if suspect was white, I agree, but not because Chauvin is a racist, but because the white suspect would've complied with police instructions. Floyd was given many chances to comply while he was sitting in his car but he didn't. Rest is history.

The reality is the court couldn't prove intention, so the point of racism doesn't fly in court. He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder which was unintentional.

The cop was also on duty, he didn't wake up thinking he would be a racist that morning and target a completely random call out. Plus there was no history of racism with Chauvin as far as I know.

Retrial or no retrial, it doesn't matter because these days its trial by the media.

That is such a racist statement. How can you assume that based on the color of the skin a person would comply.

Its like saying, white people won't be hijacking planes, so no point in doing a pat down. Only do pat downs on Brown passengers

 

[miandadrules]

Couldn't care less, wouldn't be the first time.

However BLM and Democrats cannot disagree with this:

White - 427
Black - 241
Hispanic - 169
Other - 28
Unknown 126

These are the number of people who died at the hands of the police in 2020, USA, by race.

Yet the media only ever sensationalises black victims giving the impression that the police in USA is racist towards blacks and no other race. Police brutality is the problem in the US police force, not racism.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Society that is reliant on the media has forgotton how to be objective.

Per percentage of population?

Per police encounter?

Per patrol in predominantly said race-dominated area?

Use of deadly force by reason for encounter. I.e: deadly force used in a traffic stop vs that used in an armed standoff?

That’s just scratching the surface.

Thanks in advance for providing requested details.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That is such a racist statement. How can you assume that based on the color of the skin a person would comply.

Its like saying, white people won't be hijacking planes, so no point in doing a pat down. Only do pat downs on Brown passengers

It is a factual statement supported by data. US data shows blacks are more likely to be killed by blacks than whites. You cannot ignore data just because of political correctness.

Of course it doesn't mean blacks are more violent because they are blacks, it is most likely their socio economic condition, upbringing in poor neighbourhood and culture. Just that race is the most visible identifier and people link it to everything.

 

[Robert]

Couldn't care less, wouldn't be the first time.

However BLM and Democrats cannot disagree with this:

White - 427
Black - 241
Hispanic - 169
Other - 28
Unknown 126

These are the number of people who died at the hands of the police in 2020, USA, by race.

Yet the media only ever sensationalises black victims giving the impression that the police in USA is racist towards blacks and no other race. Police brutality is the problem in the US police force, not racism.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Society that is reliant on the media has forgotton how to be objective.

I’ll argue with it.

There are six times as many whites as black is USA. So working on a pro-rata basis, that’s

(241 * 6) / 427 = 3.34

Blacks are over three times more likely to die at the hands of the police than whites.

Society that does not have O-level Statistics appears unable to be objective.

 

[MenInG]

Derek Chauvin, the former police officer who was convicted of murdering George Floyd, is being held in isolation for 23 hours a day in a maximum security prison, authorities have revealed.

Prison officers check on Chauvin every 30 minutes, his meals are delivered to his cell and he will be subjected to a mental health check every three months of his incarceration.

Isolation is used when 'someone's presence in the general population is a safety concern'. Pic: Minnesota Department of Corrections
This is "for his safety," a Minnesota Department of Corrections spokesperson said.

On Wednesday, a jury unanimously convicted Chauvin of the murder of George Floyd after hearing how he had knelt on the man's neck for over nine minutes during his arrest - continuing after his body went limp.

The former Minneapolis police officer had denied charges of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

But after 10-and-a-half hours of deliberations, the jury convicted the 45-year-old on all counts.

Under Minnesota's sentencing guidelines, he faces 12-and-a-half years in prison for his murder conviction as a first-time offender but prosecutors could seek a maximum of 40 years if the judge determined there were "aggravating factors".

After the hearing, he was led away in handcuffs and taken to the maximum security Oak Park Heights prison.

A spokesperson there said he was given "administrative segregation" status for his safety, and is in the Administrative Control Unit (ACU).

The ACU is the state's most secure unit.

The spokesman added: "Administrative segregation is used when someone's presence in the general population is a safety concern.

"There are 41 people in the ACU and cells are monitored by cameras with corrections officers also doing rounds at least every 30 minutes.

"He'll have on average an hour a day out of his cell for exercise (alone). Meals are delivered to his cell.

"He is in a single cell and will not have contact with other incarcerated people."

SKY

 

[Technics 1210]

I’ll argue with it.

There are six times as many whites as black is USA. So working on a pro-rata basis, that’s

(241 * 6) / 427 = 3.34

Blacks are over three times more likely to die at the hands of the police than whites.

Society that does not have O-level Statistics appears unable to be objective.

Nope it doesn't work like that.

For one the stats refer to deaths, not arrests. With arrests the proportion of whites increases dramatically.

Secondly if we go by your logic, we can claim Basketball is systematically racists because whites are not represented proportionaly.

You need to ask yourself why blacks are more than likely not to comply with police officers resulting often in death.

 

[Technics 1210]

Plus my point was on the media sensationalising black deaths at the hands of the police. Why are Hispanic or Asian victims of police brutality not mentioned in mainstream media? Or is it just a case where whites in USA are just racist towards blacks?

 

[Technics 1210]

It is a factual statement supported by data. US data shows blacks are more likely to be killed by blacks than whites. You cannot ignore data just because of political correctness.

Of course it doesn't mean blacks are more violent because they are blacks, it is most likely their socio economic condition, upbringing in poor neighbourhood and culture. Just that race is the most visible identifier and people link it to everything.

This.

If blacks are 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police then we must ask ourselves why.

I say its a combination of upbringing, social, and economical factors, this includes drug and alcohol abuse.

BLM/left say its because of the colour of skin because the USA is systematically racist country. Well the same country voted for a black president, twice.

 

[Major]

This.

If blacks are 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police then we must ask ourselves why.

I say its a combination of upbringing, social, and economical factors, this includes drug and alcohol abuse.

BLM/left say its because of the colour of skin because the USA is systematically racist country. Well the same country voted for a black president, twice.

would you say the same thing about muslims aswell?

A terrorist is more likely come from a Muslim background, so would you justify the aiport search and pat downs that happen to only people of brown color and not to other peoples of color?

 

[Major]

This.

If blacks are 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police then we must ask ourselves why.

I say its a combination of upbringing, social, and economical factors, this includes drug and alcohol abuse.

BLM/left say its because of the colour of skin because the USA is systematically racist country. Well the same country voted for a black president, twice.

btw do you live in the states?

 

[Technics 1210]

would you say the same thing about muslims aswell?

A terrorist is more likely come from a Muslim background, so would you justify the aiport search and pat downs that happen to only people of brown color and not to other peoples of color?

Bad example. Not only is everyone searched and patted down at the airport, but Muslims are not a race, and you can't look at someone and say they are a terrorist with any degree of certainty, unlike skin colour.

 

[Technics 1210]

btw do you live in the states?

Why? It's a near identical story in the UK, except the cops don't have guns here, but everything else is the same. Victimhood, blame the system, poor upbringing, social and economical factors.

Don't forget, BLM is a global thing.

 

[Robert]

This.

If blacks are 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police then we must ask ourselves why.

I say its a combination of upbringing, social, and economical factors, this includes drug and alcohol abuse.

BLM/left say its because of the colour of skin because the USA is systematically racist country. Well the same country voted for a black president, twice.

One in forty-six POTUS has been mixed race and the other forty-five white. Same proportion for Veeps.

This is in no way an indication that structural racism does not exist in the USA.

 

[CricketCartoons]

One in forty-six POTUS has been mixed race and the other forty-five white. Same proportion for Veeps.

This is in no way an indication that structural racism does not exist in the USA.

0 of POTUS has been a female. This is structural misogyny.

World has always been divided into haves and have nots. The whites were already advanced when they came to america. The blacks came as slaves. So natural that blacks would be lagging behind many indicators. But instead of seeing the giant strides blacks have made (by a system built by whites), whites are being blamed that they are keeping blacks backwards. The backwardness is mainly because the whites had a huge head start, and it is not their fault.

 

[Robert]

Nope it doesn't work like that.

For one the stats refer to deaths, not arrests. With arrests the proportion of whites increases dramatically.

Secondly if we go by your logic, we can claim Basketball is systematically racists because whites are not represented proportionaly.

You need to ask yourself why blacks are more than likely not to comply with police officers resulting often in death.

It works just like that - blacks have worse outcomes that whites at every step in the law enforcement and judicial process.

It’s obvious. Because they are much more likely to get stopped, and have been treated so badly historically that they are in fear for their lives, so more likely to resist.

You can’t easily undo what centuries of violent oppression has done to the American black consciousness.

 

[Robert]

0 of POTUS has been a female. This is structural misogyny.

World has always been divided into haves and have nots. The whites were already advanced when they came to america. The blacks came as slaves. So natural that blacks would be lagging behind many indicators. But instead of seeing the giant strides blacks have made (by a system built by whites), whites are being blamed that they are keeping blacks backwards. The backwardness is mainly because the whites had a huge head start, and it is not their fault.

A system designed to elevate whiteness as the ideal is not the white man’s fault

 

[Major]

Why? It's a near identical story in the UK, except the cops don't have guns here, but everything else is the same. Victimhood, blame the system, poor upbringing, social and economical factors.

Don't forget, BLM is a global thing.

So you dont live in USA, dont know the situation and yet you sit in a different country and give judgements and opinions. You have zero knowledge the life of a colored person in the states

 

[Major]

Bad example. Not only is everyone searched and patted down at the airport, but Muslims are not a race, and you can't look at someone and say they are a terrorist with any degree of certainty, unlike skin colour.

Reread your post

Chauvin wouldn't have done the same if suspect was white, I agree, but not because Chauvin is a racist, but because the white suspect would've complied with police instructions. Floyd was given many chances to comply while he was sitting in his car but he didn't. Rest is history.

you say you cant judge a color ifs a terroist or not if muslim, yet you are assuming white people will comply and blakc people wont.

Same way you cant judge a black person if he wont comply.

You are being racists here

 

[Technics 1210]

It works just like that - blacks have worse outcomes that whites at every step in the law enforcement and judicial process.

It’s obvious. Because they are much more likely to get stopped, and have been treated so badly historically that they are in fear for their lives, so more likely to resist.

You can’t easily undo what centuries of violent oppression has done to the American black consciousness.

You've narrowed your argument from USA is systematically racist, to law/judicial process.

Still it begs the question why, you say racisim, I say there's a lot more to it.

 

[Technics 1210]

One in forty-six POTUS has been mixed race and the other forty-five white. Same proportion for Veeps.

This is in no way an indication that structural racism does not exist in the USA.

Doesn't work like that.

Again, if you think it does, Basketball is a racist sport given blacks represent the highest percentage of players which is disproportionate to the population. This is an indication that there's structural racisim in basketball.

 

[Technics 1210]

Reread your post



you say you cant judge a color ifs a terroist or not if muslim, yet you are assuming white people will comply and blakc people wont.

Same way you cant judge a black person if he wont comply.

You are being racists here

You don't live in the West as an ethnic minority and doubt you have faced racism in Pakistan.

Saying a white will comply with a police officer is not racist. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If you think it does then please don't respond to me.

PS: Skin colour is a physical trait, terrorism is not. Let this sink in.

 

[Technics 1210]

0 of POTUS has been a female. This is structural misogyny.

World has always been divided into haves and have nots. The whites were already advanced when they came to america. The blacks came as slaves. So natural that blacks would be lagging behind many indicators. But instead of seeing the giant strides blacks have made (by a system built by whites), whites are being blamed that they are keeping blacks backwards. The backwardness is mainly because the whites had a huge head start, and it is not their fault.

The problem with Robert's argument is he is using Presidents as a measure of structural racism yet fails to see how blacks have excelled in other spheres such as sports which are part of the same structure.

There is clear progress being made but to use Presidents to highlight structual racism is a joke especially considering how blacks are rising among American politics.

 

[CricketCartoons]

A system designed to elevate whiteness as the ideal is not the white man’s fault

Prove it. Show how does american system says that whiteness is the ideal, and not freedom, equality, equal opportunity are the ideals. If whiteness was set as the ideal, the slaves wouldn't have progressed so much n few centuries.

Why havent blacks from black countries have progressed as much as the american blacks?

 

[James]

A system designed to elevate whiteness as the ideal is not the white man’s fault

This one is actually more of a complex issue. The ruling White classes definitely played a huge role in creating “Whiteness”, but it was not exclusively created by “White people”. “White” is instead an invented identity that has evolved across society and been perpetuated by structures, systems and within human culture, to the point where it has become perceived as optimal — but as well as excluding all other colours, it also excludes many people with White skin who do not apparently hold the required credentials for entry into the top tier of Whiteness. Such as the White working classes, travelling communities, Eastern Europeans, and the Irish.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is a factual statement supported by data. US data shows blacks are more likely to be killed by blacks than whites. You cannot ignore data just because of political correctness.

Of course it doesn't mean blacks are more violent because they are blacks, it is most likely their socio economic condition, upbringing in poor neighbourhood and culture. Just that race is the most visible identifier and people link it to everything.

This in a nutshell is what the whole debate is about.

 

[Gilly]

This one is actually more of a complex issue. The ruling White classes definitely played a huge role in creating “Whiteness”, but it was not exclusively created by “White people”. “White” is instead an invented identity that has evolved across society and been perpetuated by structures, systems and within human culture, to the point where it has become perceived as optimal — but as well as excluding all other colours, it also excludes many people with White skin who do not apparently hold the required credentials for entry into the top tier of Whiteness. Such as the White working classes, travelling communities, Eastern Europeans, and the Irish.

Originally people with the money that maintained the most influence were white, this though was limited to the whites with money. Whites with none or very little money had no influence and did not have any privilege associated with having money. Money is what gave privilege and even if colored persons had enough money they could gain privilege as is the case now. A colored person with money has far more privilege than a white person with no money.

 

[Major]

You don't live in the West as an ethnic minority and doubt you have faced racism in Pakistan.

Saying a white will comply with a police officer is not racist. Not by any stretch of the imagination. If you think it does then please don't respond to me.

PS: Skin colour is a physical trait, terrorism is not. Let this sink in.

I have lived in the west.


again, you dont see the racism in your post and are soo ignorant that your saying dont respond to my racism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Prove it. Show how does american system says that whiteness is the ideal, and not freedom, equality, equal opportunity are the ideals. If whiteness was set as the ideal, the slaves wouldn't have progressed so much n few centuries.

Why havent blacks from black countries have progressed as much as the american blacks?

Africa doesn't have the same infrastructure as America, I am not sure the opportunity to progress in a third world country is the same as in the first world.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Africa doesn't have the same infrastructure as America, I am not sure the opportunity to progress in a third world country is the same as in the first world.

Why is that countries with white majority have become first world, and countries with black majority remain backward? And it is not just one or two countries which can be called an exception. Why is it true for so many countries? Even among the blacks, it is the blacks in white countries who have excelled far more than the blacks from black countries, despite their ancestors coming as slaves.

 

[Technics 1210]

I have lived in the west.


again, you dont see the racism in your post and are soo ignorant that your saying dont respond to my racism.

By this measure you are also racist against whites. Yes racism isn't a one way street.

By the way half the posters in this thread don't live in the USA, including Robert.

 

[Robert]

Prove it. Show how does american system says that whiteness is the ideal, and not freedom, equality, equal opportunity are the ideals. If whiteness was set as the ideal, the slaves wouldn't have progressed so much n few centuries.

Why havent blacks from black countries have progressed as much as the american blacks?

Well, for instance a black man was only 3/5 of a white man in terms of representation until recently. According to the Constitution.

Slavery was repealed but replaced by black codes, Jim Crow laws, which were not struck down until 1968. Though Jim Crow is making a comeback in Georgia and Texas in 2021.

When blacks did start forming a middle class and setting up businesses they were smashed, as in the Tulsa mass murder of 1921.

So you see it has been like passing Go on the Monopoly board but never collecting £200, while facing harsher penalties than white people for landing on Go to Jail etc.

As for your second question, the African states were colonised until the 1960s and their raw materials stripped out. Then they took out development loans secured on raw materials exports but the prices collapsed leaving them no way to pay and with no money for development of industry, agriculture, health and education. I am sure I do not need to explain this to you. You’re Indian, right? How come the richest society on Earth got turned into the Third World? You know.

 

[Robert]

By this measure you are also racist against whites. Yes racism isn't a one way street.

By the way half the posters in this thread don't live in the USA, including Robert.

But I get it.

 

[Technics 1210]

But I get it.

Me too, and I think most born and bred desis in the West also understand the racial issues in the USA, and can related to racism in USA in many ways.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, for instance a black man was only 3/5 of a white man in terms of representation until recently. According to the Constitution.

Slavery was repealed but replaced by black codes, Jim Crow laws, which were not struck down until 1968. Though Jim Crow is making a comeback in Georgia and Texas in 2021.

When blacks did start forming a middle class and setting up businesses they were smashed, as in the Tulsa mass murder of 1921.

So you see it has been like passing Go on the Monopoly board but never collecting £200, while facing harsher penalties than white people for landing on Go to Jail etc.

As for your second question, the African states were colonised until the 1960s and their raw materials stripped out. Then they took out development loans secured on raw materials exports but the prices collapsed leaving them no way to pay and with no money for development of industry, agriculture, health and education. I am sure I do not need to explain this to you. You’re Indian, right? How come the richest society on Earth got turned into the Third World? You know.

You are talking about the past. I want present laws which set whiteness as the ideal.

Why were the african states colonized? How come whites had superiority over them?

As an indian, I already aknowledge that the white british who colonized india were superior because they had technology and scientific temperament. I don't say whites were better because they were white (this is a stupid way of looking at things and no different from saying blacks are discriminated because they are blacks). Whites succeeded because they were brave, had scientific temper, and were ambitious. The second most successful civilization after that were muslims of the past (not the present ones), as they were motivated, united and willing to do the ultimate sacrifice for their civilization.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are talking about the past. I want present laws which set whiteness as the ideal.

Why were the african states colonized? How come whites had superiority over them?

As an indian, I already aknowledge that the white british who colonized india were superior because they had technology and scientific temperament. I don't say whites were better because they were white (this is a stupid way of looking at things and no different from saying blacks are discriminated because they are blacks). Whites succeeded because they were brave, had scientific temper, and were ambitious. The second most successful civilization after that were muslims of the past (not the present ones), as they were motivated, united and willing to do the ultimate sacrifice for their civilization.

As an Indian, you can perhaps appreciate why blacks in Africa didn't advance while blacks in USA have. The scientific temperament which you attribute to western people hasn't manifested in the same way in eastern hemisphere countries. In India the cows are revered as holy and allowed to roam free and block highways. In scientific western countries they would be herded, penned into farms and fattened as produce.

Africans were happy to wander round in loincloths and shoot the odd zebra for food, while westerners were already investigating their surroundings as to how to utilise them more profitably. Perhaps there was just a different outlook for centuries, informed by religious or spiritual beliefs and they saw no need for any other way of thinking.

 

[Saj]

Plus my point was on the media sensationalising black deaths at the hands of the police. Why are Hispanic or Asian victims of police brutality not mentioned in mainstream media? Or is it just a case where whites in USA are just racist towards blacks?

No need to sensationalise it.

Look at the videos, look at the pictures, look at the evidence.

9 minutes 29 seconds he was on his neck. No need to sensationalise it at all.

 

[Technics 1210]

No need to sensationalise it.

Look at the videos, look at the pictures, look at the evidence.

9 minutes 29 seconds he was on his neck. No need to sensationalise it at all.

I have seen the video.

Have you seen the Tony Timpa video? 13 minutes. Where was the MSM coverage?

Still doesn't answer my question. Why are Hispanic/Asian victims of police brutality not even mentioned in MSM if US police are systematically racist?

Surely more videos would go further to prove the notion.

 

[Saj]

I have seen the video.

Just checking, because from your posts in this thread, it seems you have been following a different trial to the George Floyd one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just checking, because from your posts in this thread, it seems you have been following a different trial to the George Floyd one.

Your views on the other 3 cops? Do you think they will also be found guilty?

 

[Saj]

Your views on the other 3 cops? Do you think they will also be found guilty?

I would think so.

I cannot see how they can get away with what they are being charged with.

 

[Robert]

Chauvin wouldn't have done the same if suspect was white, I agree, but not because Chauvin is a racist, but because the white suspect would've complied with police instructions. Floyd was given many chances to comply while he was sitting in his car but he didn't. Rest is history.

The reality is the court couldn't prove intention, so the point of racism doesn't fly in court. He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder which was unintentional.

The cop was also on duty, he didn't wake up thinking he would be a racist that morning and target a completely random call out. Plus there was no history of racism with Chauvin as far as I know.

Retrial or no retrial, it doesn't matter because these days its trial by the media.

So no white person ever resisted arrest? Yeah, plenty of them do.

 

[Robert]

You are talking about the past. I want present laws which set whiteness as the ideal.

Why were the african states colonized? How come whites had superiority over them?

As an indian, I already aknowledge that the white british who colonized india were superior because they had technology and scientific temperament. I don't say whites were better because they were white (this is a stupid way of looking at things and no different from saying blacks are discriminated because they are blacks). Whites succeeded because they were brave, had scientific temper, and were ambitious. The second most successful civilization after that were muslims of the past (not the present ones), as they were motivated, united and willing to do the ultimate sacrifice for their civilization.

You can’t reset centuries of structural inequality in a generation because a few racist laws are struck down. Those beliefs and attitudes which were enshrined in law will continue without the law.

How did Europe overrun the world? Well there was extreme competition between the European states and technology developed very fast. Other cultures which were basically peaceful in comparison could not cope.

As to how the British overran India I dare say you have a better idea than me. Dominator cultures tend to have a strong bureaucratic class and a central idea - in the case of the British Empire, to spread Christianity. The Victorians really did think they were saving the world from darkness. Of course the East India Company was really greedy, manipulative and violent, so not very Christian.

 

[Technics 1210]

So no white person ever resisted arrest? Yeah, plenty of them do.

I was meant to say more than likely comply. Of course white people have resisted arrest.

If Floyd had complied and stayed in the car as instructed to, do you think he would be alive today?

 

[Robert]

I would think so.

I cannot see how they can get away with what they are being charged with.

They are charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

This sort of charge relies on the suspects being aware that a crime is being committed - such as one acting as lookout, another as getaway driver.

Two of them were rookies, it was their fifth day on the job as full officers They would have been reluctant to challenge a 20-year veteran. That will go in their favour.

Also they were distant from the restraint by a few metres and reliant on Chauvin’s assessment to some extent. The defence will rely on these points.

 

[Robert]

I was meant to say more than likely comply. Of course white people have resisted arrest.

If Floyd had complied and stayed in the car as instructed to, do you think he would be alive today?

Yes, but that’s victim-blaming. Officers are trained to apply the minimum of force in a given situation, not lethal force.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, but that’s victim-blaming. Officers are trained to apply the minimum of force in a given situation, not lethal force.

How is that victim blaming? Cause and effect. It was clear the officers first tried to calm him in his car. One of the officers even said he'd put the window down because Floyd said he couldn't breathe.

Anyway, how do you define minimal force? Chauvin's use of force is only lethal in hindsight; at the time it was the correct police procedure - until after the point the cuffs were on - at which point the knee hold should've ended.

 

[Gilly]

This story has a long way to go, one of the alternate jurors has spoken about fearing for her safety if they delivered the wrong verdict. Chauvin will have grounds for an appeal not only due to comments from Maxine waters but also from these comments from a juror.

 

[Robert]

How is that victim blaming? Cause and effect. It was clear the officers first tried to calm him in his car. One of the officers even said he'd put the window down because Floyd said he couldn't breathe.

Anyway, how do you define minimal force? Chauvin's use of force is only lethal in hindsight; at the time it was the correct police procedure - until after the point the cuffs were on - at which point the knee hold should've ended.

It’s victim blaming because Floyd was the victim of murder.

Minimal force is that which brings a suspect under control.

 

[Technics 1210]

It’s victim blaming because Floyd was the victim of murder.

Minimal force is that which brings a suspect under control.

Floyd resisting arrest was a factor leading up to his death.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Floyd resisting arrest was a factor leading up to his death.

He didn't look like he was resisting much when he was gasping he couldn't breathe.

 

[Saj]

Floyd resisting arrest was a factor leading up to his death.

Resisting arrest when he was being killed, face down into the road, in handcuffs, with 3 police officers sat on him.

 

[ChTab]

Finding Derek Chauvin guilty of murdering George Floyd was a 'no-brainer', juror says

Brandon Mitchell says they could have completed deliberations in an hour to find Derek Chauvin guilty of murdering George Floyd.

Brandon Mitchell said he and the 11 other jurors could have completed their deliberations within the 10 hours they actually took - and might have finished in just 60 minutes.

They did not need much thinking time, the 31-year-old high school basketball coach added.

"For the most part, we did go in and come straight out," he told NBC's Today.

The jury was unanimous in finding Chauvin guilty last week. The former police officer could now spend decades in jail.

Presenter Craig Melvin asked Mr Mitchell if there was a "tipping point" that made him think Chauvin was guilty.

Mr Mitchell said he found the evidence given by Dr Martin Tobin particularly important, because he "broke everything down but still kept it very scientific".

Dr Tobin, a world-renowned breathing expert, told the courtroom in Minneapolis he had watched the footage of George Floyd's arrest "hundreds of times", and believed the 46-year-old died from a "lack of oxygen".

"That was kind of the point where I was like, okay, I don't know how the defence comes back from this," Mr Mitchell said.

He was unsure whether Chauvin could have made a difference by deciding to give evidence.

"But I don't think it would have hurt," he said. "I mean, we found him guilty on all charges, so I don't think it would have hurt. It probably could have only helped him at that point."

Nevertheless, Mr Mitchell said he thought the "evidence was overwhelming that he was guilty, in my opinion. I thought it was a no-brainer".

He told the TV network: "After Dr Tobin and all the other witnesses and all the evidence, I mean, I didn't see anything, any reason why we should have taken longer than an hour (to reach verdicts)."

Asked about Chauvin's demeanour during the trial, Mr Mitchell said the now convicted murderer "looked like he was very confident the first week/week and a half".

But that confidence weakened as "more and more witnesses came up".

Chauvin and his team of lawyers "seemed like they were deteriorating, their confidence, and it was getting lower and lower and lower as the trial went on", Mr Mitchell said.

Craig Melvin brought up reports claiming one of the jurors had been "on the fence", asking Mr Mitchell: "What ultimately brought that one juror around?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "I wouldn't necessarily say they were on the fence. I think they just wanted to do their due diligence and make sure that they understood the terminology correct and they understood exactly what the judge's instructions were in relation to that specific charge."

It was suggested to Mr Mitchell that "some corners of (the) media" felt the verdict had been "predetermined", that "you felt the pressure going in, and that if you didn't come up with a guilty verdict, that things were going to go badly".

But Mr Mitchell said that was "just so dismissive of the entire process".

He added: "We're everyday civilians that put our families, our jobs, and our days aside to serve justice.

"I mean, we all walked in with an open mind, and we left with a guilty verdict. We just felt the evidence was overwhelming for our verdict. It had nothing to do with pressure from anywhere."

https://news.sky.com/story/finding-...ge-floyd-was-a-no-brainer-juror-says-12289578

 

[Saj]

Interesting that a juror has said that they could have finished deliberations in 1 hour and found Chauving guilty.

No surprise really - the evidence was overwhelming and the defence had nowhere to hide.

 

[Robert]

Interesting that a juror has said that they could have finished deliberations in 1 hour and found Chauving guilty.

No surprise really - the evidence was overwhelming and the defence had nowhere to hide.

I was pretty shocked that deliberation took ten hours. It looked open-and-shut to me. What did they discuss for all that time?

 

[Stewie]

Going through this thread, it’s pretty laughable that some people who would immediately start whining about being stereotyped due to being brown, are openly being racists when it comes to blacks. Floyd was no angel but he was murdered and I have not doubt it was a crime of hate and prejudice, not simply police brutality.

 

[Technics 1210]

I was pretty shocked that deliberation took ten hours. It looked open-and-shut to me. What did they discuss for all that time?

Most likely related to 3 points:

1, Floyd had trouble breathing before he was on the ground.

2. The pathologist, David Flower, who didn't see the video until after the postmortem result, concluded that Floyd had died of heart problems.

3. There was no conclusive evidence to suggest Chauvin was a racist.

The prosecutions job is to remove all reasonable doubt. Clearly there was doubt among the jurors, hence the delay.

 

[Technics 1210]

PS: You were shocked because in your mind Chauvin was a racist murderer before the trial had started. Guilty before any trial. Or better put tried by the media.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most likely related to 3 points:

1, Floyd had trouble breathing before he was on the ground.

2. The pathologist, David Flower, who didn't see the video until after the postmortem result, concluded that Floyd had died of heart problems.

3. There was no conclusive evidence to suggest Chauvin was a racist.

The prosecutions job is to remove all reasonable doubt. Clearly there was doubt among the jurors, hence the delay.

If Floyd was having trouble breathing before he was on the ground, why did Chauvin keep his knee pressed on his neck for 10 mins? That's the part I can't understand.

 

[Technics 1210]

If Floyd was having trouble breathing before he was on the ground, why did Chauvin keep his knee pressed on his neck for 10 mins? That's the part I can't understand.

Chauvin invoked police procedure for a suspect who doesn't comply, clearly took it too far with the knee

Over zealous police officer? Incompetence? (He wasn't rated as an officer).

Only Chauvin knows, and frankly I was disappointed he didn't testify.

 

[Saj]

If Floyd was having trouble breathing before he was on the ground, why did Chauvin keep his knee pressed on his neck for 10 mins? That's the part I can't understand.

He was playing to the gallery.

People were saying to him to get off his neck, but he wanted to show them that he was the one in control and they couldn't do anything about it.

 

[Robert]

Going through this thread, it’s pretty laughable that some people who would immediately start whining about being stereotyped due to being brown, are openly being racists when it comes to blacks. Floyd was no angel but he was murdered and I have not doubt it was a crime of hate and prejudice, not simply police brutality.

Almost as though no other race (blacks, Jews) is allowed to be persecuted.

Victimhood assertion making them feel special. If there are many other victims, they won’t be that special.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/prosecutors-seek-tougher-prison-sentence-for-derek-chauvin/ar-BB1giaC6?ocid=msedgntp

Prosecutors in Minnesota have filed court documents requesting that a judge impose an “aggravated” prison sentence for former Minneapolis Police Department officer Derek Chauvin after a jury found him guilty of murdering George Floyd.

Chauvin was convicted of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter on 20 April, but under state statutes will be sentenced only under the most serious crime, which carries a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison.

Minnesota sentencing guidelines advise that a prison sentence for a person without any prior criminal history facing a conviction for unintentional second-degree murder be roughly 12 years. A judge must determine that there are certain “aggravating factors” to impose a higher sentence.

State prosecutors led by the office of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison argue that five factors support a more severe sentence in Chauvin’s case.

In court filings submitted to Hennepin County District Court on Friday, prosecutors argued that Mr Floyd was a “particularly vulnerable victim” as he told officers that he could not breathe 27 times after Chauvin pinned him to the ground and thrust his knee into the back of his neck for nine minutes on 25 May, 2020, including “for almost four minutes after he became non-responsive, and for approximately three minutes after officers knew that he had no pulse.”

Prosecutors also said that Mr Floyd “was treated with particular cruelty” during that time, and that Chauvin abused his position of authority and committed his crimes “as part of a group of three or more persons who all actively participated in the crime”, including three other officers and children.

“Any one of these five aggravating factors would be sufficient on its own to warrant an upward sentencing departure,” prosecutors argued. “Here, all five apply. ... The state need only prove the existence of one aggravating factor to justify the imposition of an aggravated sentence.”

In response, Chauvin’s attorney Eric Nelson argued that Mr Floyd was not particularly vulnerable due to his size and ability to “continue struggling during a portion of his restraint,” according to court documents.

The defence also said Chauvin’s actions were not “particularly cruel” and claimed that there is no evidence that the incident “involved a gratuitous infliction of pain or cruelty“ leading to Mr Floyd’s death.

Chauvin will be sentenced in June.

 

[Saj]

Hopefully the sentence will be the longest one available.

There can be very little mitigation given the evidence, especially the video evidence.

 

[Technics 1210]

Candace Owens saying it how it is.

https://fb.watch/5grNGqsr42/

She should run for President in 2024.

 

[Robert]

Candace Owens saying it how it is.

https://fb.watch/5grNGqsr42/

She should run for President in 2024.

Ah yes, the woman who says Europe will “fall to Islam” by 2050 and the USA will be forced to invade Britain.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ah yes, the woman who says Europe will “fall to Islam” by 2050 and the USA will be forced to invade Britain.

That's like saying, ah yes, Floyd was a criminal.

I thought you'd attack her character instead of what she has to say on the matter in question, despite her being a black conservative women. Not shocked to say the least, kind of proves her point - the media is creating the false sense of systemic racism in the USA - which you believe.

Ok, here are some succesful black Americans who share a similar view to her - are you going to discredit them too?

https://fb.watch/5gs__n-jZC/

They utterly destroy the myth of systemic racsim in the USA. Morgan Freeman nails it.

 

[Robert]

That's like saying, ah yes, Floyd was a criminal.

I thought you'd attack her character instead of what she has to say on the matter in question, despite her being a black conservative women. Not shocked to say the least, kind of proves her point - the media is creating the false sense of systemic racism in the USA - which you believe.

Ok, here are some succesful black Americans who share a similar view to her - are you going to discredit them too?

https://fb.watch/5gs__n-jZC/

They utterly destroy the myth of systemic racsim in the USA. Morgan Freeman nails it.

Didn’t attack her character, attacked her judgement.

Black Conservatives sadden me. They think because they made it, any black person can. But it comes back to the three strikes at bat. She just happened to hit a home run off her one available strike. It’s doable, but harder and statistically less likely. But most blacks will stay second class citizens in terms of job opportunity, health and justice provision. Interesting that her father-in-law is a Tory peer. Also interesting that black woman who are successful have made themselves look more white by having their hair straightened. I can’t think of a single successful black American woman with braids or corn rows.

 

[Technics 1210]

Didn’t attack her character, attacked her judgement.

Black Conservatives sadden me. They think because they made it, any black person can. But it comes back to the three strikes at bat. She just happened to hit a home run off her one available strike. It’s doable, but harder and statistically less likely. But most blacks will stay second class citizens in terms of job opportunity, health and justice provision. Interesting that her father-in-law is a Tory peer. Also interesting that black woman who are successful have made themselves look more white by having their hair straightened. I can’t think of a single successful black American woman with braids or corn rows.

There is no law in the USA (or UK) that reduces blacks to 2nd class citizens, this is victim mentality.

The fact she, and many blacks have made it (second video link as an example) regardless of political persuasion, proves that blacks have equal opportunities in the USA, and they have to work hard like any other race in the USA. There’s no such thing as white privilege, financial privilege yes, but not white privilege.

I won’t go through the list of successful black people in USA from all spheres and verticals, but one thing is for certain, all successful black people in USA are so through hard work and determination.

As for job opportunity, you hire the right person for the job, not the right colour. If you were in a plane would your concern be the pilot is black, or the pilot is capable of landing the plane safely?