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Who would u have in ur team? Lampard played 160 odd games in a row, a record for the premiership. Gerrard is the main man for liverpool. Tough choice.
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z10 said:Gerrard
without a doubt (but then again, i have a heavy bias )
HAFRIDI said:lampard..the guy is much more involved than gerrard...if u watch the games u would know
lampard is a top all round player..just edges it for me
z10 said:what is that supposed to mean?
z10 said:well i am biased
and not about to change my opinion either
HAFRIDI said:haha..i was talking in general...its evident gerrard is not as all round as lampard...lampard is much more involved...as is gerrard...but its tough and i go with lampard.
Theyre both players who are good shooters...anyone have the stats for shot accuracy..pass completetion % etc
would be intresing to see
Geordie Ahmed said:That is absolute rubbish - Gerrard is imo the most all round mifielder in the Prem if not europe! The guy is good defensively and when attacking - he is a proper engine in midfield
Lampard is a good player BUT he is pretty limited, he has a very good shot and is a good passer of the ball BUt thats pretty much where it ends! He has the added luxury of playing alongside Makelele who just sits back and does all the defensive and the "uglier" side of the game, whilst Lampard cracks a 25 yarder and claims all the applause
Every day of the week i would pick Gerrard ahead of Lampard - EVERY DAY
HAFRIDI said:well...everyone has their own opinion, gerrard is class but because one has to be chosen i pick lampard..why..because imo he has a greater impact on the team...hes the most improved player i have seen for a while...when he picked up chelsea became a real force with their new signings as well.
He has a great story how he became a top player...playing for west ham as a player who no one knew about...came to chelsea...hardly ever started...mostly a sub and had a rep to come of the bench late on and score a bit like our "ole".
From there to now...what a player..the guy has changed completely..the west ham fans must be losing a lot of sleep over him!
Xavi is a better than Lampard but he doesnt have the ability to boss midfield.. He would be eaten alive in the premiership if he ever chose to play here.. hes only really started playing well under Rijakaard.. he was poor under Charlie Rexach, Van Gaal etc.. a better player in the same mould is PirloWaqar's inswinging yorker said:xavi! - very underrated player.
If i was forced to choose then it would be gerrard
z10 said:i would have Xabi Alonso ahead of Xavi
What a bunch of nonsense. Did i say he played a similar role to Zidane or Maradona, i clearly stated he is up there with midfield greats of the game. He is not a genius, but in terms of guts and determination including being a match winner i put him up there.
I'm not exactly sure where this nonsense comes from that Gerrard "at his peak" was better than Lampard especially when you take into account that Steven is younger than Lampard.
On Sky they were doing stats and comparing Fabregas to other midfielders in the EPL during his time at Arsenal.
Cesc had a pass completion rate of 81%, Gerrard was 80% and Lampard had 83.
Lampard had over 70 assists in the EPL alone no midfielder came even close to that, Gerrard was not even in the top 5. I think it was Rosicky, Fabregas, Modric and they were all under 50.
Again in terms of key passes per game Lampard was on top with Cesc 2nd.
I dont even have to mention goals scored as that would embarrass everyone.
What a bunch of nonsense. Did i say he played a similar role to Zidane or Maradona, i clearly stated he is up there with midfield greats of the game. He is not a genius, but in terms of guts and determination including being a match winner i put him up there.
I'm not exactly sure where this nonsense comes from that Gerrard "at his peak" was better than Lampard especially when you take into account that Steven is younger than Lampard.
On Sky they were doing stats and comparing Fabregas to other midfielders in the EPL during his time at Arsenal.
Cesc had a pass completion rate of 81%, Gerrard was 80% and Lampard had 83.
Lampard had over 70 assists in the EPL alone no midfielder came even close to that, Gerrard was not even in the top 5. I think it was Rosicky, Fabregas, Modric and they were all under 50.
Again in terms of key passes per game Lampard was on top with Cesc 2nd.
I dont even have to mention goals scored as that would embarrass everyone.
Guts, determination, match winner are terms most people would associate with Gerrard considering he has a final named after him. Dragged his team single-handedly to qualify out of the group stages in the CL that Liverpool won.
At his peak implies Gerrard was the most complete player will a lot more skills than Lampard. Lampard has never had to adapt because he has always been limited and could never play as anything other than an AM. Which is why the Gerrard and Lamps combo never worked for England.
Now the second piece of rubbish, I'd like to know the season in which Lamps got 70 assists in the EPL? That is hilarious and not even plausible. Now I'll tell you this. In EPL overall, Giggs has the most assists with 130. Lamps is second with 93 (apparently 70 of which he got in 1 season according to you) and Gerrard is third with 85. So yes, Gerrard has 8 less assists and he has played about a 100 less games than Lampard. Last season, he got 9 in 36 games. That's 1 every 4 games which means that if Gerrard plays the same number of games as Lamps he will have about another 25 assists.
We can talk about goals but let's talk about their defensive games. Gerard last year made 2.4 tackles per game and had 1.4 interceptions per game. In comparison, Lampard made 1.2 tackles per game with 0.9 interceptions per game.
Let's again talk about passing. Last season, Lampard had 1 assist compared to Gerrard's 9. Gerrard was making 2.6 key passes per game while Lampard could only make 1.1. Lampard was making 42.9 passes per game whereas Gerrard was 66.3 passes per game. Their pass success rate was as follows:
Lampard: 81.9%
Gerrard: 85.5%
Gerrard has an amazing range of passing but no one seems to buy into that. He had the highest number of accurate long ball passes per game with 8.4% and then from 2nd to 7th place are a bunch of goalkeepers. Lampard by comparison made 3.2 accurate long ball passes per game.
Here is a visual of that long range passing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDJyGYG8EqQ
Gerrard last year played in a deep lying central midfield role and he managed to score 9 goals. That figure again is higher than any other deep lying midfielder in the league. Arteta by comparison had 6 goals.
Now, I believe Lampard is a very good player and great at what he does but Gerrard is easily one of the most complete midfielders to have played the game. Lampard knows his limitations and works well within his limitations just like Kallis doesn't go around trying to bat like Tendulkar.
You can go about rating players by the number of goals they scored but then you will find Gerd Muller to be better than Maradona and Zidane. Talking of Zidane and Maradona, don't put Lampard in the same league as them. That really is an embarrassment. I wouldn't even put Gerrard in that league, he is probably a league below while Lampard is a a couple more leagues below that. Maradona and Zizou are both world cup winners for one. Secondly, at various stages of their life Maradona and Zizou controlled the whole team with the way they played and everyone else played around them. Lampard doesn't even get into the England line up. In fact, let's look at this way. Maradona and Zizou would both get into an all time Argentina and France XI (both superior than England) while Lampard would definitely not make it into an all-time England XI.
How many big finals Lampard won for you lot?
your comprehension skills are poor, if not nonexistent.
Its always best to read before shooting your mouth off. At what stage did i say Lampard made 70 assists in one season?
Does that even make sense to you or you're just a troll?
I clearly stated that SKY did stats on Fabregas' time at Arsenal and who was the most influential midfielder during that period. I think thats between 2004-2010 before he left for Barcelona. No one was anywhere near Lampard in terms of goals, assists, key passes per game etc.
Lampard scored 15 goals in just 21 league starts last year, the guy is 35 by the way. Gerrard is not fit enough to lace his boots.
Gerrard who is younger than Super Frank could only manage a paltry 9 goals in 36 starts.
For your info. Lampard has been playing in the double pivot for the past two seasons. I'm not sure were you get your nonsense from "Lampard cant adapt his game" and all that. Lamps plays deeper nowadays. The fact that you're comparing a 35 year old stats to a player thats 3 years younger than him is a true testament on how good Frank really is. He single handedly put us in the Champions League last year, scored 2 crucial goals against Villa to secure Champions League football, we were trailling in that game too. The likes of Juan Mata, Oscar and Hazard were too fatigued during the later part of the season. Thats how good Frank is.
he won us the Champions League, working his socks off along Mikel against Barcelona. We were 2-0 down in the semi-final John Terry having recieved a red card. He made a lovely through ball for Ramirez before half time and we were 2-1 down and 2-2 on aggregate with an advantage of an away goal. He was brilliant in the final in Munich as well.
I'm not even going to mention the FA cups, League Cup the EPL itself that he won on his own.
We were defensively solid but he was our top goal scorer before Drogba settled. If you remember there were chants "boring boring Chelsea" during the early stages of the Roman era. We would score 1-0 and shut up shop, thats how good we were defensively. Lampard was scoring those vital goals in 1-0 and 2-1 wins. Chelsea have the best defensive record ever in Europe in a season, i think we conceded 16 goals in 38 League games.
So i'm not sure how this myth came about that Lampard cant adapt his game, that is BS
what lie? You said so yourself Gerrard is 3rd on the all time assists list, so who do you think is #2?You're right fat Frank is the greatest thing sliced bread. I don't talk to people that resort to petty insults because they themselves have trouble stringing comprehensible sentences together. Whatever you may have meant by the assists bull crap you posted I clearly showed it was a *lie*. Gerrard is third in assists having played a 100 games less than Fat Frank.
the only liar here is you and in denial.Anyway all you're talking about is goals goals goals but I gave you stats to show you which one of them is a more complete player. Even Maxi Rodriguez was a good goal poacher. In fact, Maxi is the type of player I'd compare to Fat Frank. Lampard definitely does not play as a deep lying playmaker that is an outright lie.
Another load of bull crap. You had Makelele, Terry and Carvalho. That's why your defence was the best not because Lampard was making last-ditch tackles or clearing headers of the goal-line.
he won us the Champions League, working his socks off along Mikel against Barcelona. We were 2-0 down in the semi-final John Terry having recieved a red card. He made a lovely through ball for Ramirez before half time and we were 2-1 down and 2-2 on aggregate with an advantage of an away goal. He was brilliant in the final in Munich as well.
I'm not even going to mention the FA cups, League Cup the EPL itself that he won on his own.
We were defensively solid but he was our top goal scorer before Drogba settled. If you remember there were chants "boring boring Chelsea" during the early stages of the Roman era. We would score 1-0 and shut up shop, thats how good we were defensively. Lampard was scoring those vital goals in 1-0 and 2-1 wins. Chelsea have the best defensive record ever in Europe in a season, i think we conceded 16 goals in 38 League games.
So i'm not sure how this myth came about that Lampard cant adapt his game, that is BS
Another load of bull crap. You had Makelele, Terry and Carvalho. That's why your defence was the best not because Lampard was making last-ditch tackles or clearing headers of the goal-line.
Tell me the goals he scored in big finals.
Dorgba scored all important goals for you while Lampard did the donkey work.
Frank Lampard v Steven Gerrard: Legends for club and country, but who was better?
Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard?
Ask a blue and they will tell you Lampard is a Chelsea legend, ask a red and they will say Gerrard lives on forever in Liverpool folklore.
They were arguably two of their generation's best midfielders, the trajectories of their careers and similar playing styles meaning they were forever compared.
Now, with both having brought an end to trophy-laden careers, BBC Sport looks to tackle the debate on who was better one last time - and gives you the chance to cast your vote.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38023336