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Going by history, do you think Fakhar Zaman will end up having a good international career?

Monsee said:
A few things that have either been listed but not highlighted or just not mentioned in here:

- His domestic averages are pretty good or exceptional and point to a much more stable player with lots of grit as well than the one we saw in CT because he was just making his debut so he was far away from being close to settled. Someone who averages 40+ in domestic, List A: 50+ (95+ SR) and T20: 28+ (with 134+ SR) suggests that he can be even better than what he has done so far and be more settled, calm, and methodical (if that happens, it will be scary for other teams)

- He has a double hundred (in domestic), a 180 in List A and a 100* in T20, which shows that he can play longer innings in all format as highlighted by his 100 in Final which was only his 4th game in his short ODI career that has consisted pf playing nothing but top 6 teams in the world

- With his Navy back ground, him being mentally strong and physically fit are almost a given and if we go based on his recent interviews, where he promised to try twice harder to make improvments to his game, fitness etc, we might be witnessing the start of a player who can play for a long time like Misbah and YK, provided everything else clicks for him and he never stops learning

- He seems very humble from what I have seen so far, saw him taking a dip in a local canal with his buddies after coming to visit them after the CT final; talk about someone who has not gotten one inch of extra hot air in his head after such fame and money he has already made from these 4 games

- He seems very mature for a 27 year old and is willing to work on his technique to get better, let's wish him the best; one thing he said stayed with me was "I don't hook/pull all the time, I usually only hook those balls that are hittable and I know for sure I can score on them without trying too hard" (something to that effect)...this gives me hope that his short ball issue might not be as bad as it has been made out to be because he was just trying his utmost best to get the score going in all these pressure matches; maybe if the pressure is not on, he can try more ground shots like he initially did against SA.

I am just being very hopeful and am very excited and praying that this guy has a long career, he will win us lots of games just like Anwar did in his brief career. He reminds me of the early days of Anwar when he used to try and hit the first ball of an ODI out for a 6 by dancing down the pitch to McGrath, Reckman, and Co!
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Interesting read.
 
to be honest i am starting to have doubts now

looks a brainless hack at times and lets not forget he rode his luck in the ct final and in the ct in general with all the edges and mishits

he had an awful series and should have done far better on these flat pitches and short boundaries

hopefully he will get his act together and deliver against sri lanka
 
Leo23 said:
to be honest i am starting to have doubts now

looks a brainless hack at times and lets not forget he rode his luck in the ct final and in the ct in general with all the edges and mishits

he had an awful series and should have done far better on these flat pitches and short boundaries

hopefully he will get his act together and deliver against sri lanka
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He hasn't done too bad and was run out today. Have patience but Sharjeel was better.
 
I wasn't a 100 percent sure on him when he started international cricket, but he proved in the CT that he can perform at this level. So I would give him some time yet. Can't write him off after 1 bad series.
 
Leo23 said:
to be honest i am starting to have doubts now

looks a brainless hack at times and lets not forget he rode his luck in the ct final and in the ct in general with all the edges and mishits

he had an awful series and should have done far better on these flat pitches and short boundaries

hopefully he will get his act together and deliver against sri lanka
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You need to to capitalize on your luck as well. Kohli got a life but got out the very next ball, Zaman got a life and he turned it into a century. So can't use the luck aspect to discredit or take shine off his knock.
 
Major said:
I wanted to ask this question before, but due to high emotions i knew i wouldn't had gotten an unbiased answer.

Fakhar Zaman has had a great start to his international career, but there is a problem.

In the past 10 years in Pakistan, any aggressive cricketer who had a great start to his career, ended up failing and being out of the team due to Form, Fitness or some other issue.

The list of players include

Umar Akmal : Great start to his career, ended up being dropped due to poor form and fitness

Ahmed Shezad: Good start to his career, still not a regular member as he is mostly in and out of the team due to form

Sohaib Maqsood: Was a highly rated cricketer by everyone. Started off good. Later in the career, couldn't even manage to cross 30 runs and was dropped.

Asad Shafiq: started off great with performance in England pitches. Ends up being a terrible player for the limited overs format

Haris Sohail: Has a good started, but gets injured, and now after injury he still isn't part of the team(One could only wonder what would had happened to his career uptil now if he wasn't injured)

Mohammad Rizwan: Starts off very good, ends up being dropped for very poor form.

Mukhtar Ahmed: Has a great start, soon gets exposed

If you look back at the list of players from the last 10 years in ODI cricket. Only Azhar Ali and Sarfraz Ahmed have retained their spots.
Azhar Ali retains his spot because he plays cricket differently, just like Misbah and Younis

Meaning Sarfraz is the only aggressive cricketer who has retained his spot based on performance.

Now, out of no where, another player comes, Fakhar Zaman, and performs so brilliantly that he literally wins you the cup final.
But the question is, how will his career end up? Could he also become like Sarfraz, or will he also make it to the list of the above Tried Tested Failures?

Off the note:
I think the reason behind the failures mentioned above is probably because they dont want to work extra hard after reaching international level.
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Please explain how Mukhtar got "exposed" after failing in 2 T20's against SL? :13:
 
msb314 said:
Please explain how Mukhtar got "exposed" after failing in 2 T20's against SL? :13:
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tbh he looked all at sea

looked like a total tailender against an attack which wasnt up to no good
 
fakhar is extremely weak outside the off stump channel

bowl him 6 deliveries in the corridor of uncertainty and he is a walking wicket. give him width either side of the wicket and he will smash you. but bowlers do their homework these days and i fear that zaman will not be able to sustain his successful start to international career

already he is a bit of a bunny for morkel who seems to have worked him out
 
i asked this question right after champions trophy. The question still stands
 
I feel Fakhar is going nowhere with his career.

It seems like he is being made to work too hard on his batting. The kid needs to be given a holiday from nets/training for a few days. Allow him to go out and actually enjoy himself.
 
Hasan123 said:
Teams seem to have worked him out and he hasn't made any improvement.
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How? He did fail in the test series but he has only played one ODI and even then he got Pakistan to an ok start and got out trying to put pressure on the oppostion which is his job.
 
CadPakFan said:
How? He did fail in the test series but he has only played one ODI and even then he got Pakistan to an ok start and got out trying to put pressure on the oppostion which is his job.
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He has always had an issue with the short ball and it hasn't been corrected.

It's not the fact he's trying to do his job, it's the fact SA know how to stop. The pitches could get quicker and bouncier, it's worrying that he isn't willing to adapt.
 
He was "worked out" from his first ODI.

People are mixing up formats. He has 2 50s in his last 3 ODIs.
 
Time is on his side and it will take some time before he works out the kinks. He is the best player we have after Babar.
 
Fakhar is an aggressive player. You can't expect him to score 50's every game. But he is mentally strong and he will be key to Pak's WC hopes. Barring Hafeez, he is the only player in the squad who can comfortably strike at 100+.
 
He still has those issues.Teams have worked out his short ball weakness. He really has to work on his weaknesses if he wants to have a good career.
 
Ahson8 said:
And why do you not care of the NZ series ? Last I checked NZ is an international team
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It's not me saying I don't rate NZ. But that series is in the past and he is struggling now in the present.

It's clear he has issues against the short ball. Other teams will be watching and taking notes. If you don't think it's a cause for concern than I don't know what else to say.
 
Hasan123 said:
It's not me saying I don't rate NZ. But that series is in the past and he is struggling now in the present.

It's clear he has issues against the short ball. Other teams will be watching and taking notes. If you don't think it's a cause for concern than I don't know what else to say.
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He is a decent opener who can score quickly on his day. He will not become next Rohit sharma but we knew that from the start. His got weakness against the short ball but going after that weakness in first 10 overs of the innings is a risky strategy for the bowling side as well.
 
Pakhs said:
He is a decent opener who can score quickly on his day. He will not become next Rohit sharma but we knew that from the start. His got weakness against the short ball but going after that weakness in first 10 overs of the innings is a risky strategy for the bowling side as well.
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The problem right now is that he may struggle to get us off to decent starts if team keep using the short ball strategy to him.
 
Hasan123 said:
The problem right now is that he may struggle to get us off to decent starts if team keep using the short ball strategy to him.
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They are only allowed 2 in the over and it can easily sail over the ropes or over the keeper. I think presently bowlers are tucking him up on leg stump line which he needs to figure out soon.
 
His is Imran Nazir 2.0. Nazir was more talented and had all the strokes.
 
The Viper said:
Fakhar is an aggressive player. You can't expect him to score 50's every game. But he is mentally strong and he will be key to Pak's WC hopes. Barring Hafeez, he is the only player in the squad who can comfortably strike at 100+.
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Mentally strong, good on bouncy tracks are all just hyperboles. One can see he's fighting hard with his limited technique but Asia Cup showed he puts a lot of pressure on himself and choked. He's already 29 and has 2 to 3 good years left. It's not so easy to rip apart and rebuild your technique at this stage. There are just too many technical flaws. He can score here or there and can play risky strokes or edges that might fetch him a few boundaries or get him out.
 
People have been “working out” Fakhar since his first game. First it was bowling to his pads, he faced issues with that up until the Asia Cup. Then he found a way to play thise deliveries in the NZ series and has 2 50s in his last 3 games. One of those scores is an 88. Unlucky to have missed iut in a century.

Now its the short ball. It will trouble him for some time but seeing that he is mentally tough and very determined, in-shaa-Allah he will find a solution to that issue. To me it seems he is too aggressive and wants to attack the short ball. I don’t find him to be scared of it. Its a 50/50 chance whether it sails over the ropes or goes to the fielder’s hands. Ponting on the other hand looked genuinely uncomfortable against fast short balls.
 
Bewal Express said:
Probably not but his innings against Ind is worth a lifetimes of innings from other players
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Yes. That will always be his legacy. He's a legend in Pak cricket history even if he hangs up his boots now. People on both sides of the border will remember the innings like Miandad's six for decades. Question is will he have a good career. Answer is probably no after the many chinks in his armor. 2nd year blues have caught up. There's the leg stump line which was an issue during Asia cup. He found a way to counter that. Now it's the short ball. Tomorrow it will be something else. He will be playing catch-up trying to make up for the deficiencies. Every time he tinkers with his technique, he is also tinkering what works for him. He tends to premeditate wondering what will be bowled next. This leads to risky play and an early dismissal. My take is to have Shan open the batting and unleash him when spinners are on. Bat him at 4
 
Ilustcricket said:
People have been “working out” Fakhar since his first game. First it was bowling to his pads, he faced issues with that up until the Asia Cup. Then he found a way to play thise deliveries in the NZ series and has 2 50s in his last 3 games. One of those scores is an 88. Unlucky to have missed iut in a century.

Now its the short ball. It will trouble him for some time but seeing that he is mentally tough and very determined, in-shaa-Allah he will find a solution to that issue. To me it seems he is too aggressive and wants to attack the short ball. I don’t find him to be scared of it. Its a 50/50 chance whether it sails over the ropes or goes to the fielder’s hands. Ponting on the other hand looked genuinely uncomfortable against fast short balls.
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Ponting was one of the best pullers of the short ball in history.
 
Pakhs said:
They are only allowed 2 in the over and it can easily sail over the ropes or over the keeper. I think presently bowlers are tucking him up on leg stump line which he needs to figure out soon.
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Thats my point. Teams will be watching this weakness. If he can't get us off to good starts, we will be in trouble.
 
Ilustcricket said:
People have been “working out” Fakhar since his first game. First it was bowling to his pads, he faced issues with that up until the Asia Cup. Then he found a way to play thise deliveries in the NZ series and has 2 50s in his last 3 games. One of those scores is an 88. Unlucky to have missed iut in a century.

Now its the short ball. It will trouble him for some time but seeing that he is mentally tough and very determined, in-shaa-Allah he will find a solution to that issue. To me it seems he is too aggressive and wants to attack the short ball. I don’t find him to be scared of it. Its a 50/50 chance whether it sails over the ropes or goes to the fielder’s hands. Ponting on the other hand looked genuinely uncomfortable against fast short balls.
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are you serious? Many times I saw Ponting smashing short balls that too by advancing down the crease.
 
Fakhar Zaman definitely has room to improve and for me definitely can improve, he seems determined to be a solid opener. Has the range of shots and can play defensive when needed. But he is under the kosh and must improve.
 
Chokli said:
and yet never played an innings even half as good as the 114 in the final vs india
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He actually played half as good innings in the T20 final against India. Anyway, yes Fakhar played a blinder and decimated India and was a sitting duck in Asia cup. Now let's move on to SA series and beyond.
 
Fakhar is a very good ODI Opener and is the need of the hour for us.

He may struggle against some very good attacks but still we need him. Even in the last match it wasn’t a big failure, he gave a good start.
 
rhony said:
He actually played half as good innings in the T20 final against India. Anyway, yes Fakhar played a blinder and decimated India and was a sitting duck in Asia cup. Now let's move on to SA series and beyond.
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what good is that innings if it never got the job done?

no one will remember asia cup but most will remember ct 17
 
Mobashir said:
Fakhar is a very good ODI Opener and is the need of the hour for us.

He may struggle against some very good attacks but still we need him. Even in the last match it wasn’t a big failure, he gave a good start.
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which one of our players don't struggle against very good attacks? he is great to have in the side tbh, but he shouldn't the main batsman to rely upon, others need to step up.
 
Chokli said:
what good is that innings if it never got the job done?

no one will remember asia cup but most will remember ct 17
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Everybody will remember CT17 until the end of time. Asia Cup was the start of his test after his Zim mauling. Will he be a one hit wonder like Afridi or Nazir or will he be a reliable opening batsman. Debate is about the latter.
 
rhony said:
Everybody will remember CT17 until the end of time. Asia Cup was the start of his test after his Zim mauling. Will he be a one hit wonder like Afridi or Nazir or will he be a reliable opening batsman. Debate is about the latter.
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did well to come back against new zealand, let's see how he does going forward.
 
Seems to have a longer shelf life than other Pakistani batsmen who look the goods.

Good for Pakistan - bucks the trend.
 
Chokli said:
which one of our players don't struggle against very good attacks? he is great to have in the side tbh, but he shouldn't the main batsman to rely upon, others need to step up.
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Completely agree. And it’s not only our batters that struggle against good bowlers.
The only time every team play their best bowling lineup is in World Cup and CT, and Fakhar did brilliantly in CT so no question to drop him.
 
I feel he has a better work ethic and attitude towards cricket than Salman Butt, Imran Nazir, Yasir Hameed, Nasir Jamshed... so I feel he will be a reasonably successful opener

that being said, I don't think he will ever the kind of elite player he was being proclaimed as after the CT / Zim series
 
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