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Furthermore, when will Ali Tareen be barred from owning a PSL franchise?

He is a young boy who just graduated from university and used his daddy’s black money to invest in the Multan Sultan franchise.
 
Every man and his dog knows that JT is a key player in the sugar mafia and a fraud with plenty of black money. He has already been disqualified by the SC for being dishonest and failing to declare his assets.

So when will the sadiq and ameen Imran Khan apologize to the nation for using this crook as a financier of his election campaign?

Imran Khan’s election campaign was financed on haraam money. I haven’t seen a Madinah riyasat like this.

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[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

IK did not create the corrupt system for elections, he had to make difficult choices and thus used the system that is in place to get elected, if he hadn't, he wouldn't be in power to take on the mafia. If he then pandered to him, then your criticism would be valid and he would lose my support. His govt is a minority govt and IK has not backed down. That's leadership by Kaptaan.
 
Furthermore, when will Ali Tareen be barred from owning a PSL franchise?

He is a young boy who just graduated from university and used his daddy’s black money to invest in the Multan Sultan franchise.

By the JT is not the only one, why are you ignoring the Omni group, a front for AZ and Billo or Ch Sugar Mills. The whole system is rotten and corrupt.
 
IK did not create the corrupt system for elections, he had to make difficult choices and thus used the system that is in place to get elected, if he hadn't, he wouldn't be in power to take on the mafia. If he then pandered to him, then your criticism would be valid and he would lose my support. His govt is a minority govt and IK has not backed down. That's leadership by Kaptaan.

So Imran used black money to win election and establish the Madinah welfare state, and now that he is a position to take down the mafia, he will deliver.

So he tricked JKT. First he used him as his ATM and now he is going to punish him for having the money in the first place.

Amazing leadership.
 
By the JT is not the only one, why are you ignoring the Omni group, a front for AZ and Billo or Ch Sugar Mills. The whole system is rotten and corrupt.

But the Omni group didn’t finance his election campaign. Jahangir Tareen did. He also bought loyalties of independent candidates and Imran would travel across the country in his private jet.

So when will Imran apologize to the nation for being a beneficiary of corruption?
 
So Imran used black money to win election and establish the Madinah welfare state, and now that he is a position to take down the mafia, he will deliver.

So he tricked JKT. First he used him as his ATM and now he is going to punish him for having the money in the first place.

Amazing leadership.

You are so desperate these days. I almost feel sorry for you. IK worked within the system that your friends Nooras and PPP created. IK tried his best to change the system from the outside but he was forced to join the system. If he then does what they do, then you have every right to criticise.
If and it remains an if, JT thought that IK would betray PK so that he could mint it, he was sadly mistaken. IK is a patriot and has a goal to get rid of the mafia. What do Altaf, NS, SS, AZ and Billo have in common. They wanted panga with Kaptaan and they lost. As long as Kaptaans Niyaat is clean, he will have my support.
 
But the Omni group didn’t finance his election campaign. Jahangir Tareen did. He also bought loyalties of independent candidates and Imran would travel across the country in his private jet.

So when will Imran apologize to the nation for being a beneficiary of corruption?

As i said your arguments are so poorly thought through and disingenuous that they are laughable . Yes they did, they financed the PPP campaign in national and local elections. Do you know how much subsidy they are still getting from the Sindh govt, look it up son, it might open your mafia glazed eyes. And they used the stolen govt money in the local and national elections, which you can't accuse JT of using in 2018, because he wasn't in power. Some research and a clean niyaat might help you to get one over me.
 
You are so desperate these days. I almost feel sorry for you. IK worked within the system that your friends Nooras and PPP created. IK tried his best to change the system from the outside but he was forced to join the system. If he then does what they do, then you have every right to criticise.
If and it remains an if, JT thought that IK would betray PK so that he could mint it, he was sadly mistaken. IK is a patriot and has a goal to get rid of the mafia. What do Altaf, NS, SS, AZ and Billo have in common. They wanted panga with Kaptaan and they lost. As long as Kaptaans Niyaat is clean, he will have my support.

Imran already betrayed Pakistan when he used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign and win votes.

No amount of nonsense justifications and excuses of “he had to work within the system” will change the fact that Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption because he used JKT’s black money to fund his campaign.

The only desperation that I see is on your part. You are moving from pillar to post to somehow convince me (and more importantly, yourself) that it was justified for Imran to use JKT’s black money for his gain and somehow it wasn’t hypocritical at all.

Imran’s stance against corruption does not have a shred of credibility. An honest person will never allow himself to benefit from corruption in any way but Imran was happy to use JKT as his ATM when he needed a financier for his election campaign.

The fact that you are defending him says a lot about you as well. Nevertheless, it is not surprising because as I have stated previously, you will defend Imran even if he kills a child.
 
As i said your arguments are so poorly thought through and disingenuous that they are laughable . Yes they did, they financed the PPP campaign in national and local elections. Do you know how much subsidy they are still getting from the Sindh govt, look it up son, it might open your mafia glazed eyes. And they used the stolen govt money in the local and national elections, which you can't accuse JT of using in 2018, because he wasn't in power. Some research and a clean niyaat might help you to get one over me.

You seem to have lost the ability to read plain English because you are clearly panicking and sweating bullets to somehow justify Imran using JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign.

Drink a glass of water and read my post again.

Let me help you: I said Omni group didn’t finance his election campaign.

By “his”, I mean Imran Khan.

So your usual tactic of deflecting from Imran Khan to PMLN/PPP is pointless here because we are talking about JKT and how Imran used his black money to finance his election campaign.

Once again, by “his”, I mean Imran Khan. I hope it is clear now.
 
You seem to have lost the ability to read plain English because you are clearly panicking and sweating bullets to somehow justify Imran using JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign.

Drink a glass of water and read my post again.

Let me help you: I said Omni group didn’t finance his election campaign.

By “his”, I mean Imran Khan.

So your usual tactic of deflecting from Imran Khan to PMLN/PPP is pointless here because we are talking about JKT and how Imran used his black money to finance his election campaign.

Once again, by “his”, I mean Imran Khan. I hope it is clear now.

So you are OK with stolen public money financing the PPP campaign? Because it didn't just happen, its happening today. Can you tell me how much subsidy is still being given by the Sindh govt to AZs group and why?
 
So you are OK with stolen public money financing the PPP campaign? Because it didn't just happen, its happening today. Can you tell me how much subsidy is still being given by the Sindh govt to AZs group and why?

But PPP leadership is not self-righteous like our messiah Imran Khan and their entire political ideology did not centre around the elimination of corruption?

Imran has been harping about ending corruption since he joined politics in 1996, and then he goes ahead and wins votes using black money of a crook?

Do you find it justifiable?

What is the point of deflecting to PPP when the likes of you have already established that they are corrupt?

Will you now have the courage to call Imran out and ask him to apologize to the nation for being a beneficiary of corruption?
 
Imran already betrayed Pakistan when he used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign and win votes.

No amount of nonsense justifications and excuses of “he had to work within the system” will change the fact that Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption because he used JKT’s black money to fund his campaign.

The only desperation that I see is on your part. You are moving from pillar to post to somehow convince me (and more importantly, yourself) that it was justified for Imran to use JKT’s black money for his gain and somehow it wasn’t hypocritical at all.

Imran’s stance against corruption does not have a shred of credibility. An honest person will never allow himself to benefit from corruption in any way but Imran was happy to use JKT as his ATM when he needed a financier for his election campaign.

The fact that you are defending him says a lot about you as well. Nevertheless, it is not surprising because as I have stated previously, you will defend Imran even if he kills a child.

Yes, yes we hear from you every day and it was a load of rubbish then,as it will always be. You are hoping to turn the clock back to where the family businesses rob with impunity and nobody can ask any questions. I see you don't even have an ounce of courage or guts to comment on the murder of the journalist in Sindh. I have challenged you on numerous occasions but you always run because you worship criminals and murder is justified.
IK has done the right thing by using the system available and change has come. Keep crying but the clock is not going to be turned back.
As far as defending IK when he kills a child, well tell me who defended NS, SS and Maryam after the Massacre of pregnant women in Model Town. You are accusing me of possibly doing what you have already done. 👍
I think you need to give up because you humiIiate yourself daily. I get bored debating someone that is immoral and supports the killing of journalists, customs officers and pregnant women.
 
But PPP leadership is not self-righteous like our messiah Imran Khan and their entire political ideology did not centre around the elimination of corruption?

Imran has been harping about ending corruption since he joined politics in 1996, and then he goes ahead and wins votes using black money of a crook?

Do you find it justifiable?

What is the point of deflecting to PPP when the likes of you have already established that they are corrupt?

Will you now have the courage to call Imran out and ask him to apologize to the nation for being a beneficiary of corruption?

But they are, only yesterday Billo tweeted that no corruption will be tolerated in Sindh. ��
 
IHC allows government to proceed with sugar inquiry report.... CCP had already found a loophole in the stay and was proceeding against the sugar mills not named in the IHC stay order (which are in the majority), but now it does not matter since IHC allowed investigations against all.


May Allah grant sabar o tahammul to supporters of corruption to bear setback after setback Ameen.
 
IHC allows government to proceed with sugar inquiry report.... CCP had already found a loophole in the stay and was proceeding against the sugar mills not named in the IHC stay order (which are in the majority), but now it does not matter since IHC allowed investigations against all.


May Allah grant sabar o tahammul to supporters of corruption to bear setback after setback Ameen.

Ameen! :D
 
IHC rejects sugar mills petition, grants govt to take action over sugar inquiry commission report

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) ended on Saturday its stay order regarding inquiry of Sugar mill owners for their alleged role in Pakistan’s sugar crisis.

During the hearing, IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah said the high court will not bar the government from taking action against sugar mill owners. He also said courts are not responsible for fixing the price of sugar in the country, local media reported.

On June 10, Justice Minallah, issued directives for the product to be sold at the rate of Rs70 per kilogramme for the next 10 days. The IHC also restricted the government from taking action on the sugar inquiry commission report.

The inquiry report by the Sugar Inquiry Commission was challenged by the entire sugar industry. The report blamed Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Jahangir Khan Tareen, Shehbaz Sharif and federal minister Khurso Bakhtiar for misuse of public money.

The petitioners asked the IHC to declare the report as 'unconstitutional and malicious'. They also asked the court to declare that the report was published without lawful authority.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/1005...e-action-over-sugar-inquiry-commission-report
 
IHC rejects sugar mills petition, grants govt to take action over sugar inquiry commission report

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) ended on Saturday its stay order regarding inquiry of Sugar mill owners for their alleged role in Pakistan’s sugar crisis.

During the hearing, IHC Chief Justice Athar Minallah said the high court will not bar the government from taking action against sugar mill owners. He also said courts are not responsible for fixing the price of sugar in the country, local media reported.

On June 10, Justice Minallah, issued directives for the product to be sold at the rate of Rs70 per kilogramme for the next 10 days. The IHC also restricted the government from taking action on the sugar inquiry commission report.

The inquiry report by the Sugar Inquiry Commission was challenged by the entire sugar industry. The report blamed Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Jahangir Khan Tareen, Shehbaz Sharif and federal minister Khurso Bakhtiar for misuse of public money.

The petitioners asked the IHC to declare the report as 'unconstitutional and malicious'. They also asked the court to declare that the report was published without lawful authority.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/1005...e-action-over-sugar-inquiry-commission-report

They must have a terrible case if the crooked Minullah couldn't provide relief. This was the guy that asked IK to guarantee NS's life for 3 days. The Sugar mafia is like the Don of the mafias, Kaptaan could not afford to miss because if he does, they won't. Watch out for the renewed efforts of Diesel, Ch Brothers etc to cobble something together to take Kaptaan down.
 
IHC allows government to proceed with sugar inquiry report.... CCP had already found a loophole in the stay and was proceeding against the sugar mills not named in the IHC stay order (which are in the majority), but now it does not matter since IHC allowed investigations against all.


May Allah grant sabar o tahammul to supporters of corruption to bear setback after setback Ameen.


Which includes you and your leader Imran. He was also a supporter of JKT’s corruption when it benefited him. The foundation of Madinah riyasat Pakistan was built on the black money of JKT.

Naya Pakistan is the greatest scam this country has ever seen.
 
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I will not entertain your deflection. Please justify why it was completely justified for Imran to use the crook JKT as his ATM, and please tell us when will he apologize for running his election campaign on black money?
 
PTI supporters:

Imran is our savior. He will bring tabdeeli. He is an honest man and incorruptible.

Also PTI supporters:

It is okay if Imran used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign and zoomed across the country in his private jets. That is how our system works, and if others do corruption it is okay if Imran also benefited from it.

If hypocrisy had a face.....
 
There is no difference between Imran and other corrupt politicians. All of them, including Imran, benefited from corruption when it suited them.

Black money became halal for our Kaptaan when he needed an ATM to sponsor his election campaign.

If he was sincere about his so-called anti corruption stance, he would have never associated himself with a renowned fraud like JKT.

Imran is not a man of principle and integrity. A man of principle and integrity never comprises his values and morals even if doing so would benefit him.

As I said in the other thread, COVID-18 (tabdeeli virus) is more lethal than COVID-19 and the chances of survival are far less.

We have reached a point where victims of COVID-18 are now defending Imran benefiting from corruption because that is how the system works.

:)))

Ye din bhi dekhna tha. Koi sharam hoti hai, koi haya. This is what happens when you allow COVID-18 to infect you.
 
There is no difference between Imran and other corrupt politicians. All of them, including Imran, benefited from corruption when it suited them.

Black money became halal for our Kaptaan when he needed an ATM to sponsor his election campaign.

If he was sincere about his so-called anti corruption stance, he would have never associated himself with a renowned fraud like JKT.

Imran is not a man of principle and integrity. A man of principle and integrity never comprises his values and morals even if doing so would benefit him.

As I said in the other thread, COVID-18 (tabdeeli virus) is more lethal than COVID-19 and the chances of survival are far less.

We have reached a point where victims of COVID-18 are now defending Imran benefiting from corruption because that is how the system works.

:)))

Ye din bhi dekhna tha. Koi sharam hoti hai, koi haya. This is what happens when you allow COVID-18 to infect you.

Keep telling yourself, and keep believing it. You are humiliated everyday day. You are quick to pose questions but where is the response on Billos murder of the journalist.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2158907/1-journalists-across-sindh-protest-reporters-murder/?amp=1
 
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I will not entertain your deflection. Please justify why it was completely justified for Imran to use the crook JKT as his ATM, and please tell us when will he apologize for running his election campaign on black money?

Because you use the system that is in place unless you want him to use violence. He has done exactly the right thing, but if JT or any other use him to mint money then he would not only be bad as others, he deserves to be hanged for badniyaati for personal gain.
 
PTI supporters:

Imran is our savior. He will bring tabdeeli. He is an honest man and incorruptible.

Also PTI supporters:

It is okay if Imran used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign and zoomed across the country in his private jets. That is how our system works, and if others do corruption it is okay if Imran also benefited from it.

If hypocrisy had a face.....

IK has played it clever, using the system to attack from within. If you use it to gain personally then its badniyaati, but he hasn't. Well played Kaptaan. I am glad he is hurting the worshippers of crooks.
 
IK has played it clever, using the system to attack from within. If you use it to gain personally then its badniyaati, but he hasn't. Well played Kaptaan. I am glad he is hurting the worshippers of crooks.

The word you are looking for is hypocrisy.

What do you mean he didn’t use it for personal gain? He used his black money to win votes. How is that not personal gain?

New PTI cult logic: Imran benefited from JKT’s black money so that he could become the PM and bring tabdeeli. Our messiah comprised his morals to make a sacrifice for the nation.

PTI cult followers continues to outdo themselves.
 
Because you use the system that is in place unless you want him to use violence. He has done exactly the right thing, but if JT or any other use him to mint money then he would not only be bad as others, he deserves to be hanged for badniyaati for personal gain.

More genius logic.

Black money is only a problem when you help someone make black money, but use is justified.

Incredible.

I had never thought a day would come where PTI supporters would have to clutch at straws to justify why it is acceptable for Imran to benefit from corruption.

Oh dear. PTI supporters deserve this humiliation.
 
Keep telling yourself, and keep believing it. You are humiliated everyday day. You are quick to pose questions but where is the response on Billos murder of the journalist.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2158907/1-journalists-across-sindh-protest-reporters-murder/?amp=1

The only people who are being humiliated are the ones who are justifying Imran benefiting from JKT’s black money.

And as I said, I will not entertain your deflection. This thread is about Imran’s black money ATM, not Bilawal.
 
The only people who are being humiliated are the ones who are justifying Imran benefiting from JKT’s black money.

And as I said, I will not entertain your deflection. This thread is about Imran’s black money ATM, not Bilawal.

Yes, you keep telling yourself that and you make sure that you also believe it. I am enjoying the fact that IK is in power and dealing with them
 
Two years ago in July 2018, who would have thought that in June 2020, PTI supporters would be clutching at straws to defend Imran benefiting from corruption.

Back then, they thought that in 2 years time, they would be boasting about how the PTI government have turned our economy upside down thanks to the economic genius Asad Umar,

and how Nawaz, Zardari and Bilawal are all behind the bars, and how Imran Khan, the cheetah that he is, has been able to recover the looted wealth.

Unfortunately, we are here in 2020 and Asad Umar was booted out 8 months into his tenure (with cult-followers defending his performance),

he has been replaced by a former PPP finance minister even though PPP government was supposedly the most corrupt,

Nawaz is chilling in London because Imran couldn’t keep him in jail, while the likes of Zardari and Bilawal are still living as free men.

Not a single penny has been recovered from the looted wealth in spite of the fake degree holder Murad Saeed - the man who didn’t even have the intelligence to complete a third class environmental science degree - promising delivery of 200 Arab dollars in 3 weeks.

Meanwhile, the PM has no idea what he’s doing and his supporters have no choice but to defend him.

As Hassan Nisar said the other day, even the most careless and dumb student tries to study a few days before the exam, but this government is that student who didn’t even open the books the day before the exam.

It has only taken 2 years for people to see what a circus show this government has proved to be. Unfortunately, the supporters are part of the act.
 
Yes, you keep telling yourself that and you make sure that you also believe it. I am enjoying the fact that IK is in power and dealing with them

And when will he deal with himself? When we will he apologize to the nation for laying the foundation of Madinah riyasat Pakistan in black money?
 
More genius logic.

Black money is only a problem when you help someone make black money, but use is justified.

Incredible.

I had never thought a day would come where PTI supporters would have to clutch at straws to justify why it is acceptable for Imran to benefit from corruption.

Oh dear. PTI supporters deserve this humiliation.

You have said corruption isn't a problem, NZ, SS, AZ and Billo are good and you support them. Based on your form, save your fake criticism. IK has used the hand dealt to him by a system that your friends created and started to dismantle it. Well done Kaptaan
 
You have said corruption isn't a problem, NZ, SS, AZ and Billo are good and you support them. Based on your form, save your fake criticism. IK has used the hand dealt to him by a system that your friends created and started to dismantle it. Well done Kaptaan

But Imran and his worshippers said that corruption is the biggest evil of them all, so how do you reconcile it with Imran using corruption money to finance his election campaign and win votes?

Or has the definition changed now to accommodate Imran’s hypocrisy?
 
And when will he deal with himself? When we will he apologize to the nation for laying the foundation of Madinah riyasat Pakistan in black money?

You are really hurting that he got into power against the odds and has started to deal with the mafia. It's a system that you worship, it's a system that want back. Remember when have panga with the Kaptaan, you lose.
 
But Imran and his worshippers said that corruption is the biggest evil of them all, so how do you reconcile it with Imran using corruption money to finance his election campaign and win votes?

Or has the definition changed now to accommodate Imran’s hypocrisy?

But according to you corruption is not a problem. How do reconcile criticising someone when you think that's its not a problem. The definition is the same, that's why you are hurting and can't even mention Billo, Maryam, NS, SS and AZ. If Kaptaan wasn't in power you would be worshipping at their feet, but the Kaptaan has destroyed them and you have started to wake up. Well done for agreeing with Kaptaan.
 
You are really hurting that he got into power against the odds and has started to deal with the mafia. It's a system that you worship, it's a system that want back. Remember when have panga with the Kaptaan, you lose.

But when will Kaptaan take “panga” with himself? His highness himself has stated for 24 years that Pakistan’s biggest problem is corruption and the people who benefit from corruption.

But his highness turned out to be the person he criticized for 24 years. He himself benefited from corruption because if he didn’t use JKT’s black money, he wouldn’t be where he is today.

So will he resign because he became PM due to corruption or will he at least say sorry to the nation?

You are right I am hurting. It hurts to see Imran get exposed so brutally. I mean he is not my cup of tea, but I am still hurting because it is never good to see someone humiliated in such a fashion.

I am also hurting because the hypocrisy of your leader has forced a self-righteous individual like you to defend corruption. This is what blind support for Imran has forced you to do.

I never thought a day would come where you of all posters on PP would be making excuses for someone who benefited from corruption.

:therethere
 
But according to you corruption is not a problem. How do reconcile criticising someone when you think that's its not a problem. The definition is the same, that's why you are hurting and can't even mention Billo, Maryam, NS, SS and AZ. If Kaptaan wasn't in power you would be worshipping at their feet, but the Kaptaan has destroyed them and you have started to wake up. Well done for agreeing with Kaptaan.

I am criticizing Imran because he has failed, and failed with flying colors, to practice what he preached for 24 years.

If Imran was not the self-appointed savior of Pakistan and would not have declared himself as the messiah this country needs,

and if he would not have stressed for 24 years that corruption and people who benefit from corruption are the biggest problems this country is facing, I would have no issues with Imran using a crook like JKT to finance his election campaign.

Besides, Kaptaan did not “destroy” them. They have been destroyed by the institution that would eventually destroy Kaptaan as well.

Now let’s get back to the topic at hand. When will Imran apologize to the nation for using black money to finance his election campaign?
 
I am criticizing Imran because he has failed, and failed with flying colors, to practice what he preached for 24 years.

If Imran was not the self-appointed savior of Pakistan and would not have declared himself as the messiah this country needs,

and if he would not have stressed for 24 years that corruption and people who benefit from corruption are the biggest problems this country is facing, I would have no issues with Imran using a crook like JKT to finance his election campaign.

Besides, Kaptaan did not “destroy” them. They have been destroyed by the institution that would eventually destroy Kaptaan as well.

Now let’s get back to the topic at hand. When will Imran apologize to the nation for using black money to finance his election campaign?

It doesn't matter what you think, because you worship a system that has failed everybody except the elite. He will face the electorate and if he fails to make progress, he will be kicked out.
JT may have and I stress may have tried to use his influence, but the irony which you are ignoring is that IK was not in power and JT got his subsidy from the Nooras, around 80%, which Abbasi is saying is legit. This is what they call legalised corruption. So when are you going to call out NS and Abbasi for legalised theft. Do you think it was wrong?
IK used the system that was in place, according to you that is a legitimate system that you want back, so on what basis are you calling for an apology?
 
It doesn't matter what you think, because you worship a system that has failed everybody except the elite. He will face the electorate and if he fails to make progress, he will be kicked out.

No matter how hard you try, this is not about me and what I think. This is about a self-proclaimed messiah who has harped about the ills of corruption for 24 years, only to utilize corruption himself to gain votes. How on earth do you not see the hypocrisy here?

I understand that the side-effects of COVID-18 virus are severe and it hampers the ability to think, but at least you can try.

JT may have and I stress may have tried to use his influence, but the irony which you are ignoring is that IK was not in power and JT got his subsidy from the Nooras, around 80%, which Abbasi is saying is legit. This is what they call legalised corruption. So when are you going to call out NS and Abbasi for legalised theft. Do you think it was wrong?
IK used the system that was in place, according to you that is a legitimate system that you want back,

There is no irony here - only a sad attempt at your part to somehow deflect Imran’s hypocrisy onto PMLN.

And so what if Imran was not in power? This is yet another lame attempt to clutch at straws. Imran was not the PM then but he used corruption money to become one. How do you justify that?

And besides, this is not about whether he was in power or not. This is about principle. A man who claimed for two decades that corruption is the biggest problem in the country ended up using corruption to win votes. This is hypocrisy and shamelessness of the highest order.

so on what basis are you calling for an apology?

On the basis that he spent 24 years preaching the ills of corruption and criticized people who benefited from corruption. Unfortunately or fortunately, he failed to walk the talk and proved to be a beneficiary of corruption himself.

His anti-corruption stance and the tabdeeli narrative is the biggest scam in Pakistan’s history.
 
This Mamoon guy keeps talking about Imran Khan but also doesent offer any alternatives. I would rather have IK anyday over the likes of Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif.
 
No matter how hard you try, this is not about me and what I think. This is about a self-proclaimed messiah who has harped about the ills of corruption for 24 years, only to utilize corruption himself to gain votes. How on earth do you not see the hypocrisy here?

I understand that the side-effects of COVID-18 virus are severe and it hampers the ability to think, but at least you can try.



There is no irony here - only a sad attempt at your part to somehow deflect Imran’s hypocrisy onto PMLN.

And so what if Imran was not in power? This is yet another lame attempt to clutch at straws. Imran was not the PM then but he used corruption money to become one. How do you justify that?

And besides, this is not about whether he was in power or not. This is about principle. A man who claimed for two decades that corruption is the biggest problem in the country ended up using corruption to win votes. This is hypocrisy and shamelessness of the highest order.



On the basis that he spent 24 years preaching the ills of corruption and criticized people who benefited from corruption. Unfortunately or fortunately, he failed to walk the talk and proved to be a beneficiary of corruption himself.

His anti-corruption stance and the tabdeeli narrative is the biggest scam in Pakistan’s history.

Another long essay of tosh. You are beaten, stick to the crooks, they are your only hope. The Kaptaan has beaten the crooks and you can't take it, he has beaten the people you worship.
 
This Mamoon guy keeps talking about Imran Khan but also doesent offer any alternatives. I would rather have IK anyday over the likes of Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif.

Mamoon is only against so called corruption by IK and confirmed corruption by some in the pti who are being taken to task now but he has zero issues with grotesque confirmed corruption committed by PML-N and PPP. This is not hypocrisy but straight up badniyati
 
This Mamoon guy keeps talking about Imran Khan but also doesent offer any alternatives. I would rather have IK anyday over the likes of Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif.

Why are you looking for alternatives? They are all equally bad as each other. Why would you rather have a fake who criticized corruption and people who benefited from corruption all his political career, but had no issues using corruption money to fund his election campaign?
 
Another long essay of tosh. You are beaten, stick to the crooks, they are your only hope. The Kaptaan has beaten the crooks and you can't take it, he has beaten the people you worship.

Your replies are getting shorter and shorter because you are running out of material to defend yourself. Perhaps it is time for to end your misery. You are obviously enslaved by your sad devotion to Imran Khan and have lost your ability to think.

You are all “sticking to the crook”. The biggest crook of them all, who claimed to be a revolutionary and the man who will rid Pakistan of corruption, but turns out he had no issue with using corruption to benefit himself.

What a pity.
 
Mamoon is only against so called corruption by IK and confirmed corruption by some in the pti who are being taken to task now but he has zero issues with grotesque confirmed corruption committed by PML-N and PPP. This is not hypocrisy but straight up badniyati

Do I still have to explain this?

Nawaz, Zardari etc. never made such tall claims and didn’t build their political careers on anti-corruption narrative.

Imran’s entire 24 year political career centered around his belief that corruption is the biggest problem in Pakistan.

He proclaimed himself as the savior of the country who would bring tabdeeli. However, he proved to be no different than the others because he used JKT’s corrupt money to finance his election campaign.

Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and the excuse that he had no choice because that is how the system works is complete nonsense.

It is not about how the system works, it is about principle. A man of integrity and credibility does not compromise his principle no matter what. Imran is the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

Whether he goes after the crooks now is not the point. The point is that he won votes on corrupt money and he became the PM on haraam money.

So when will this fake apologize to the nation for fooling the public and benefiting from corruption?
 
Your replies are getting shorter and shorter because you are running out of material to defend yourself. Perhaps it is time for to end your misery. You are obviously enslaved by your sad devotion to Imran Khan and have lost your ability to think.

You are all “sticking to the crook”. The biggest crook of them all, who claimed to be a revolutionary and the man who will rid Pakistan of corruption, but turns out he had no issue with using corruption to benefit himself.

What a pity.

Let me summerise that inananr tosh I am supposed to reply to every time. And correct me if I am wrong, Billo is good he is a "future PM" NS is good, SS is good, Maryam is good and a "future PM" , the old system was great, IK has destroyed a system that worked. I stayed in PK, you didn't. Did I miss something.
You worship, thugs and crooks, you worship murderers of innocent journalists and pregnant women. Yoh always want to tag me but I am waiting on your reply on the murder by your friends in Sindh. I dare you to come on the thread. I thought not.
 
Do I still have to explain this?

Nawaz, Zardari etc. never made such tall claims and didn’t build their political careers on anti-corruption narrative.

Imran’s entire 24 year political career centered around his belief that corruption is the biggest problem in Pakistan.

He proclaimed himself as the savior of the country who would bring tabdeeli. However, he proved to be no different than the others because he used JKT’s corrupt money to finance his election campaign.

Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and the excuse that he had no choice because that is how the system works is complete nonsense.

It is not about how the system works, it is about principle. A man of integrity and credibility does not compromise his principle no matter what. Imran is the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

Whether he goes after the crooks now is not the point. The point is that he won votes on corrupt money and he became the PM on haraam money.

So when will this fake apologize to the nation for fooling the public and benefiting from corruption?

You are bitter because IK has beaten the system that was created to make sure the likes of him never get more than few seats. Remember Altaf, NS, SS, AZ etc. He has beaten them all and Yoh can't take the humiliation. IK is the most honest politician in PK, he is not looking to make a penny from power.
 
PTI govt will not spare sugar mafia: PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the action initiated on basis of a sugar inquiry report will be taken to its logical conclusion and the government will unmask all mafias.

“We will fulfill our promise to bring to light the truth. The PTI government will unmask all mafia and take strict action against them,” the premier said on Saturday while chairing a meeting of the ruling PTI’s core committee in the federal capital.

According to sources in the ruling party, the meeting discussed in detail the forensic report on a sugar crisis that the country witnessed earlier this year and the action proposed to be taken against the sugar barons responsible for it. The premier said the government had initiated an action against sugar mafia.

“People should not heed to the rumors that the issue [of sugar crisis] has been swept under the carpet. We will not hide anything from the people,” he was quoted as saying.

The prime minister said his government will not allow anyone to go against public interest and mint money through graft. “We will not spare people who are creating different crisis in the country,” he said.

During the meeting, the premier also asked Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkwa chief ministers to take strict action against people involved in hoarding of food commodities. The members seconded the premier’s decision to crack down against mafias.

The federal government had formed an inquiry commission to probe into a sudden shortage of sugar in January this year followed by a tremendous hike in price of the sweetener.

On April 5, the government unveiled the commission’s report which claimed that sugar mills belonging to the country’s top politicians including PML-N’s Shehbaz Sharif’s, PTI’s Jahangir Tareen and Khusro Bakhtiar and PML-Q’s Moonis Elahi were among the beneficiaries of the crisis.

In its report, the commission had accused the sugar mill owners of earning illegal profits to the tune of billions of rupees through unjustified price hikes, benami transactions, tax evasion, misuse of subsidy and purchasing sugarcane off the books.

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Saturday allowed the government agencies to take action against the sugar barons responsible for a shortage of the commodity earlier this year as it dismissed a petition requesting the court to stop a crackdown started on basis of an inquiry report.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2247076/1-govt-will-not-spare-sugar-mafia-pm-imran/
 
PTI govt will not spare sugar mafia: PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the action initiated on basis of a sugar inquiry report will be taken to its logical conclusion and the government will unmask all mafias.

“We will fulfill our promise to bring to light the truth. The PTI government will unmask all mafia and take strict action against them,” the premier said on Saturday while chairing a meeting of the ruling PTI’s core committee in the federal capital.

According to sources in the ruling party, the meeting discussed in detail the forensic report on a sugar crisis that the country witnessed earlier this year and the action proposed to be taken against the sugar barons responsible for it. The premier said the government had initiated an action against sugar mafia.

“People should not heed to the rumors that the issue [of sugar crisis] has been swept under the carpet. We will not hide anything from the people,” he was quoted as saying.

The prime minister said his government will not allow anyone to go against public interest and mint money through graft. “We will not spare people who are creating different crisis in the country,” he said.

During the meeting, the premier also asked Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkwa chief ministers to take strict action against people involved in hoarding of food commodities. The members seconded the premier’s decision to crack down against mafias.

The federal government had formed an inquiry commission to probe into a sudden shortage of sugar in January this year followed by a tremendous hike in price of the sweetener.

On April 5, the government unveiled the commission’s report which claimed that sugar mills belonging to the country’s top politicians including PML-N’s Shehbaz Sharif’s, PTI’s Jahangir Tareen and Khusro Bakhtiar and PML-Q’s Moonis Elahi were among the beneficiaries of the crisis.

In its report, the commission had accused the sugar mill owners of earning illegal profits to the tune of billions of rupees through unjustified price hikes, benami transactions, tax evasion, misuse of subsidy and purchasing sugarcane off the books.

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Saturday allowed the government agencies to take action against the sugar barons responsible for a shortage of the commodity earlier this year as it dismissed a petition requesting the court to stop a crackdown started on basis of an inquiry report.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2247076/1-govt-will-not-spare-sugar-mafia-pm-imran/

The IHC, a front for the mafia couldn't give them a stay order. It's time IK took on the mafia head on, starting with the Sugar mafia, move onto the petrol, cement and media.
 
One thing which i have noticed that Mamoon always bring some questions, topics, essays. But he never replies to your questions.

He only talks talks and talks, but he never listen. Thats where you cant have a good healthy debate.
 
The word you are looking for is hypocrisy.

What do you mean he didn’t use it for personal gain? He used his black money to win votes. How is that not personal gain?

New PTI cult logic: Imran benefited from JKT’s black money so that he could become the PM and bring tabdeeli. Our messiah comprised his morals to make a sacrifice for the nation.

PTI cult followers continues to outdo themselves.

Just a quick question because i have work to do.

So lets suppose, i agree whatever you are saying and i have a question for you. Knowing that PTI is corrupt, their system is corrupt, leader is corrupt, PTI have used black money and all and all, then why you are doing job under PTI government and taking a very healthy salary?

You should show some high morals and should resign the job (which was given to you during PTI era btw, dont try to deny it :) )

Why are you becoming the part of corrupt system? (KIndly dont come with a reply that i am working in the system to fix the corrupt system).

How are you okay with earning from a government who was supported by black money? (Again dont come up with an argument that i am taking salary of my services e.t.c ) ..

Why are you using this JOB for a personal gain? A job which was given to you by PTI government?

When are you going to sacrifice your job, just in order to make your self better that at least you are not a supporter of corrupt system?

Are you a hypocrite? A govt which got you a job on merit (again, dont deny it because i know when and where you started your Hospital job in Peshawar, since this is a public form so Admins won't allow me to upload personal information of people, so dont try to deny it).

Continuing the job dont show your hypocrisy?

Ik became the PM using blackmoney, you got the job from a gov which came due to blackmoney, and now you are the part of blackmoney.
 
PTI govt will not spare sugar mafia: PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the action initiated on basis of a sugar inquiry report will be taken to its logical conclusion and the government will unmask all mafias.

“We will fulfill our promise to bring to light the truth. The PTI government will unmask all mafia and take strict action against them,” the premier said on Saturday while chairing a meeting of the ruling PTI’s core committee in the federal capital.

According to sources in the ruling party, the meeting discussed in detail the forensic report on a sugar crisis that the country witnessed earlier this year and the action proposed to be taken against the sugar barons responsible for it. The premier said the government had initiated an action against sugar mafia.

“People should not heed to the rumors that the issue [of sugar crisis] has been swept under the carpet. We will not hide anything from the people,” he was quoted as saying.

The prime minister said his government will not allow anyone to go against public interest and mint money through graft. “We will not spare people who are creating different crisis in the country,” he said.

During the meeting, the premier also asked Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkwa chief ministers to take strict action against people involved in hoarding of food commodities. The members seconded the premier’s decision to crack down against mafias.

The federal government had formed an inquiry commission to probe into a sudden shortage of sugar in January this year followed by a tremendous hike in price of the sweetener.

On April 5, the government unveiled the commission’s report which claimed that sugar mills belonging to the country’s top politicians including PML-N’s Shehbaz Sharif’s, PTI’s Jahangir Tareen and Khusro Bakhtiar and PML-Q’s Moonis Elahi were among the beneficiaries of the crisis.

In its report, the commission had accused the sugar mill owners of earning illegal profits to the tune of billions of rupees through unjustified price hikes, benami transactions, tax evasion, misuse of subsidy and purchasing sugarcane off the books.

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Saturday allowed the government agencies to take action against the sugar barons responsible for a shortage of the commodity earlier this year as it dismissed a petition requesting the court to stop a crackdown started on basis of an inquiry report.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2247076/1-govt-will-not-spare-sugar-mafia-pm-imran/

PTI should have spared the mafia like previous govt did. At lest would have satisfied some Hypocrites here :))
 
Just a quick question because i have work to do.

So lets suppose, i agree whatever you are saying and i have a question for you. Knowing that PTI is corrupt, their system is corrupt, leader is corrupt, PTI have used black money and all and all, then why you are doing job under PTI government and taking a very healthy salary?

You should show some high morals and should resign the job (which was given to you during PTI era btw, dont try to deny it :) )

Why are you becoming the part of corrupt system? (KIndly dont come with a reply that i am working in the system to fix the corrupt system).

How are you okay with earning from a government who was supported by black money? (Again dont come up with an argument that i am taking salary of my services e.t.c ) ..

Why are you using this JOB for a personal gain? A job which was given to you by PTI government?

When are you going to sacrifice your job, just in order to make your self better that at least you are not a supporter of corrupt system?

Are you a hypocrite? A govt which got you a job on merit (again, dont deny it because i know when and where you started your Hospital job in Peshawar, since this is a public form so Admins won't allow me to upload personal information of people, so dont try to deny it).

Continuing the job dont show your hypocrisy?

Ik became the PM using blackmoney, you got the job from a gov which came due to blackmoney, and now you are the part of blackmoney.

Because I personally do not consider corruption a major issue. It is not possible to eliminate corruption in a third world country like Pakistan, but as India has shown, you can achieve economic development even with corruption.

A country like Pakistan has bigger problems than corruption which this incompetent government and clueless government is not capable of tackling.

You can call me a hypocrite, but I do not consider myself a self-righteous person. I do not or did not claim that I have very high morals when it comes to corruption.

But Imran has established very high morals for himself. For 24 years, he made tall claims that he will rid Pakistan of corruption and people who benefit from corruption. So how is it justified for him to use JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign?

As I said earlier in this thread, the issue is not Imran taking black money from JKT for personal gain. The issue is that Imran failed to practice what he preached for over two decades.

What is a bigger crime? A thief stealing money or a police officer stealing money?

Imran is the police officer here.
 
Because I personally do not consider corruption a major issue. It is not possible to eliminate corruption in a third world country like Pakistan, but as India has shown, you can achieve economic development even with corruption.

A country like Pakistan has bigger problems than corruption which this incompetent government and clueless government is not capable of tackling.

You can call me a hypocrite, but I do not consider myself a self-righteous person. I do not or did not claim that I have very high morals when it comes to corruption.

But Imran has established very high morals for himself. For 24 years, he made tall claims that he will rid Pakistan of corruption and people who benefit from corruption. So how is it justified for him to use JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign?

As I said earlier in this thread, the issue is not Imran taking black money from JKT for personal gain. The issue is that Imran failed to practice what he preached for over two decades.

What is a bigger crime? A thief stealing money or a police officer stealing money?

Imran is the police officer here.

You dont consider corruption an issue, you have since I can remember supported every corrupt person going. You supported the system that brought the corrupt to power and now you are hurting and humiliated. This system wasn't meant to allow IK to come to power but IK with huge public support has beaten the system and you can't take it. IK played within the system the crooks created and now is started to change it. IK has not taken a penny for personal benefit and the fact that you know that but stil keeping repeating a lie, shows the low level that you work at. But who expects any different from a guy that has supported every crook going. Keep hurting!
 
You dont consider corruption an issue, you have since I can remember supported every corrupt person going. You supported the system that brought the corrupt to power and now you are hurting and humiliated. This system wasn't meant to allow IK to come to power but IK with huge public support has beaten the system and you can't take it. IK played within the system the crooks created and now is started to change it. IK has not taken a penny for personal benefit and the fact that you know that but stil keeping repeating a lie, shows the low level that you work at. But who expects any different from a guy that has supported every crook going. Keep hurting!

Taking money from a crook to win votes is not called ‘beating the system’. Imran did not beat the system, he became part of the system. He himself became what he criticized, i.e. a beneficiary of corruption.

There is only one way in which Imran can get out of this without looking like a completely hypocrite who fooled his supporters.

He needs to apologize to the nation for using JKT’s black money for financing his election and he needs to get an estimate of the amount JKT spent on him, and deposit that amount in national coffers from his savings.

Will he do that? Obviously not. I mean if he was sincere and a man of integrity, sure. Then again, if he was sincere and a man of integrity, he wouldn’t have compromised his morals in the first place and wouldn’t have used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign.
 
IK could not change the corrupt system till he came to power. So any talks about him using a system that was in place is pointless, as long he tries to fix the system when he is in power. Its not easy to do so but atleast he is trying.
 
Taking money from a crook to win votes is not called ‘beating the system’. Imran did not beat the system, he became part of the system. He himself became what he criticized, i.e. a beneficiary of corruption.

There is only one way in which Imran can get out of this without looking like a completely hypocrite who fooled his supporters.

He needs to apologize to the nation for using JKT’s black money for financing his election and he needs to get an estimate of the amount JKT spent on him, and deposit that amount in national coffers from his savings.

Will he do that? Obviously not. I mean if he was sincere and a man of integrity, sure. Then again, if he was sincere and a man of integrity, he wouldn’t have compromised his morals in the first place and wouldn’t have used JKT’s black money to finance his election campaign.


A system was created to make sure that criminal people you worship never lose power. The system was simple, either the Nooras would be in power at the centre, and the PPP in Sindh, and then the PPP would get a chance to rule at the centre after every few years but the Nooras would always have Punjab. The AZ mantra of why are we fighting, there is enough for all us of to eat. That's why he so proudly proclaimed that no accountability took place under him. That is the reason for the 18th Amendment and the reason why Sindh is still living in stone age and quite literally trillions have been stolen. Kaptaan came and destroyed your crooked party. He played within the system and won. Get over it, you don't have a leg to stand on.

I think he should now target the courts, and to use the same tactics, I would urge him to target Judges families like the Nooras and PPP used to do, he needs to kill a few journalists like the PPP do and things will start moving. Obviously, you would support that because according to you that is all halal.

So let's move this conversation forward. Let's actually hear some proposals from you, what have you got to offer, is that too much for you? The forum is yours, open another thread if you want to discuss the way forward
 
IK could not change the corrupt system till he came to power. So any talks about him using a system that was in place is pointless, as long he tries to fix the system when he is in power. Its not easy to do so but atleast he is trying.

Bhai, the system was created to keep the crooks in power. Its a miracle that Kaptaan got in. If he doesn't take his chance, the mafia won't miss.
 
A system was created to make sure that criminal people you worship never lose power. The system was simple, either the Nooras would be in power at the centre, and the PPP in Sindh, and then the PPP would get a chance to rule at the centre after every few years but the Nooras would always have Punjab. The AZ mantra of why are we fighting, there is enough for all us of to eat. That's why he so proudly proclaimed that no accountability took place under him. That is the reason for the 18th Amendment and the reason why Sindh is still living in stone age and quite literally trillions have been stolen. Kaptaan came and destroyed your crooked party. He played within the system and won. Get over it, you don't have a leg to stand on.

I think he should now target the courts, and to use the same tactics, I would urge him to target Judges families like the Nooras and PPP used to do, he needs to kill a few journalists like the PPP do and things will start moving. Obviously, you would support that because according to you that is all halal.

So let's move this conversation forward. Let's actually hear some proposals from you, what have you got to offer, is that too much for you? The forum is yours, open another thread if you want to discuss the way forward

Imran is not beating the system. That is what you and other cult-followers fail to understand. Imran has accepted the status quo by not only fueling his election campaign with black money, but also attracting lota politicians from the same parties that he criticizes.

His current advisor on economic affairs is the same guy on whose watch President Zardari looted public money. Do you not see the irony here?

Imran Khan has successfully pulled of a grand scam. His intentions before 2013 might have been noble, but once he realized that he cannot change the system, he had two choices: stay true to his morals and walk away, or become part of the system and become the PM even if it meant benefiting from corruption.

Imran chose the latter and thus lost all credibility.

You cannot change the system once you become a beneficiary of the system. Even if he puts crooks like JKT behind the bars, can he return the black money JKT spent on his election campaign? No he can’t, so how is this justice?
 
IK could not change the corrupt system till he came to power. So any talks about him using a system that was in place is pointless, as long he tries to fix the system when he is in power. Its not easy to do so but atleast he is trying.

Will Imran return the black money JKT spent on him?
 
Imran is not beating the system. That is what you and other cult-followers fail to understand. Imran has accepted the status quo by not only fueling his election campaign with black money, but also attracting lota politicians from the same parties that he criticizes.

His current advisor on economic affairs is the same guy on whose watch President Zardari looted public money. Do you not see the irony here?

Imran Khan has successfully pulled of a grand scam. His intentions before 2013 might have been noble, but once he realized that he cannot change the system, he had two choices: stay true to his morals and walk away, or become part of the system and become the PM even if it meant benefiting from corruption.

Imran chose the latter and thus lost all credibility.

You cannot change the system once you become a beneficiary of the system. Even if he puts crooks like JKT behind the bars, can he return the black money JKT spent on his election campaign? No he can’t, so how is this justice?

At the point of repeating myself for people that are hurting because their world of corruption, murder, kidnapping has caved in. I say look at NS, AZ, SS and Billo, did Kaptaan win or not? You need to take your medicine.
 
At the point of repeating myself for people that are hurting because their world of corruption, murder, kidnapping has caved in. I say look at NS, AZ, SS and Billo, did Kaptaan win or not? You need to take your medicine.

How did Kaptaan win by becoming a selected PM?

I am looking at Nawaz, Zardari, Shehbaz and Bilawal and I don’t see Imran’s victory.

Imran failed to keep Nawaz and Zardari in jail, he failed to punish Shehbaz for all the ‘crimes’ he committed as CM Punjab, and Bilawal will become PM one day.

More importantly, he has not and will not recover a single penny from them.

Remember the face-saving drama that PTI cooked up to justify Nawaz going to London? Where is that money Nawaz was supposed to give? He hasn’t given a single penny.

So how has Imran won?
 
According to your Noora friends, JT didn't anything wrong and his earnings are halal.

But according to your Y friends, JT is a key player in the sugar mafia and Imran is after him.

So when will Imran return the haraam money that financed his election campaign?

What credibility will his anti- corruption stance have if he does not return the black money?
 
How did Kaptaan win by becoming a selected PM?

I am looking at Nawaz, Zardari, Shehbaz and Bilawal and I don’t see Imran’s victory.

Imran failed to keep Nawaz and Zardari in jail, he failed to punish Shehbaz for all the ‘crimes’ he committed as CM Punjab, and Bilawal will become PM one day.

More importantly, he has not and will not recover a single penny from them.

Remember the face-saving drama that PTI cooked up to justify Nawaz going to London? Where is that money Nawaz was supposed to give? He hasn’t given a single penny.

So how has Imran won?

I don't where to begin. You are so inconsistent and confused. Perhaps a knowing the law would help, or maybe not. You say NS and AZ should be in jail and I agree with you but they were given bail by the IHC. Do you want him to be doing what the Nooras and PPP and threaten judges and their families? Do you want him to disobey the court. The stupidity of your argument is mind boggling.
As far as not recovering any money. Firstly, you have accepted that they have stolen billions, then the problem becomes one prosecution and the courts. NAB chairman was appointed by AZ and NS, it's his constitutionally duty to prosecute the cases in front of him. When the sexual harassment scandal broke, you accused the PTI of trying to blackmail him, and the Nooras came to his defense. How do you suggest IK gets rid of him? He needs a 2/3 majority to get rid of him. As I said earlier, maybe you can give a suggestion, thought not.
IK has won, for a start we are not being looted by the man at the top. He doesn't wake up everyday and look to see where money can be made. They are all on the run, and Budha Javed won't be able to save them forever. IK has won because even if he loses power, they can never loot with the same impunity, they know they have lost power once and they could do so again. IK has won because he has woken up young people about the mafia, and the crooked elite, the genie is out of the back. IK has won because you are having a nervous breakdown, when supporters of the mafia have these breakdowns, you are doing the right thing.
 
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I don't where to begin. You are so inconsistent and confused. Perhaps a knowing the law would help, or maybe not. You say NS and AZ should be in jail and I agree with you but they were given bail by the IHC. Do you want him to be doing what the Nooras and PPP and threaten judges and their families? Do you want him to disobey the court. The stupidity of your argument is mind boggling.
As far as not recovering any money. Firstly, you have accepted that they have stolen billions, then the problem becomes one prosecution and the courts. NAB chairman was appointed by AZ and NS, it's his constitutionally duty to prosecute the cases in front of him. When the sexual harassment scandal broke, you accused the PTI of trying to blackmail him, and the Nooras came to his defense. How do you suggest IK gets rid of him? He needs a 2/3 majority to get rid of him. As I said earlier, maybe you can give a suggestion, thought not.
IK has won, for a start we are not being looted by the man at the top. He doesn't wake up everyday and look to see where money can be made. They are all on the run, and Budha Javed won't be able to save them forever. IK has won because even if he loses power, they can never loot with the same impunity, they know they have lost power once and they could do so again. IK has won because he has woken up young people about the mafia, and the crooked elite, the genie is out of the back. IK has won because you are having a nervous breakdown, when supporters of the mafia have these breakdowns, you are doing the right thing.

The only confused person is you, because you are the one defending Imran for benefiting from corruption but at the same time criticizing Nawaz and Zardari. Also, I can only laugh at your assertion that PTI does not threaten judiciary. Does the Isa case ring a bell?

Imran Khan promised to recover the looted wealth. He should have realized that it will not be possible because of the hurdles. I am sure he knew it already, but he made tall claims to fool people like you, and now you have no choice but to defend him.

Moreover, Imran might be helpless when it comes to recovering the corruption of Nawaz and Zardari, but he can surely recover the black money JKT spent on him. When will Imran return that money to the nation?

Imran has only won in the deluded Y world. In the real world, he is rapidly proving himself to be a scam artist who has failed to deliver the justice that he promised, has no clue how to the run the country and won votes by using the crook JKT as his ATM.
 
The only confused person is you, because you are the one defending Imran for benefiting from corruption but at the same time criticizing Nawaz and Zardari. Also, I can only laugh at your assertion that PTI does not threaten judiciary. Does the Isa case ring a bell?

Imran Khan promised to recover the looted wealth. He should have realized that it will not be possible because of the hurdles. I am sure he knew it already, but he made tall claims to fool people like you, and now you have no choice but to defend him.

Moreover, Imran might be helpless when it comes to recovering the corruption of Nawaz and Zardari, but he can surely recover the black money JKT spent on him. When will Imran return that money to the nation?

Imran has only won in the deluded Y world. In the real world, he is rapidly proving himself to be a scam artist who has failed to deliver the justice that he promised, has no clue how to the run the country and won votes by using the crook JKT as his ATM.

No reply on your basic ignorance of law and your right about being ignorant and stupid. You asked why AZ and NS got bail, and I told you that the IHC gave it, and even though you a self confessed ignorant person, even you should know that he doesn't control the Judiciary. You asked about recovered money, and I have given you the process of NAB and again you ran from that. You asked about JT but your Noora and PPP friends say the subsidy given is legal, SKA he did nothing wrong and in Sindh its still going on, do you want to explain why they broke the law or you have no idea. Lol
Remember ignorance and stupidity is not a defense in law
 
Mamoon feels corruption is not an issue but he is only targetting the so called corruption of IK. Hypocricy much
 
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2254712/sugar-inquiry-commission-acted-fairly-ihc-detailed-verdict

Sugar inquiry commission ‘acted fairly’: IHC detailed verdict

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) has issued a detailed verdict explaining the reasons for rejecting sugar mills owners’ petition against formation of a sugar inquiry commission and for allowing the government to take action on basis of the commission’s reports.

The sugar inquiry commission – headed by the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) chief – was formed to probe into a sudden shortage of sugar that resulted in a steep hike in its prices in January this year.

In its preliminary report – unveiled on April 5 – the commission had claimed that sugar mills belonging to the families of the country’s top politicians including PML-N’s Shehbaz Sharif’s, PTI’s Jahangir Tareen and Khusro Bakhtiar and PML-Q’s Moonis Elahi were among the beneficiaries of the crisis.

In its forensic report – issued on May 21 – the commission had accused the sugar mill owners of earning illegal profits to the tune of billions of rupees through unjustified price hikes, benami transactions, tax evasion, misuse of subsidy and purchasing sugarcane off the books.

The Pakistan Sugar Mills Association’s (PSMA) and 17 other petitioners challenged the commission and its reports in the IHC, whose single bench comprising Chief Justice Athar Minallah on June 20 disposed of the petition and declared that the inquiry commission was legal.

Sugar mills owners later moved an intra-court appeal in the IHC, requesting it to set aside its June 20 order and an IHC division bench – comprising Justice Aamer Farooq and Justice Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb – on July 10 declared the appeal “maintainable” and issued notices to the respondents.

The IHC chief justice on Monday issued a 35-page detailed verdict which said shortages and price increases of sugar have remained a matter of great concern for governments as such factors have led to strong reactions by consumers and have had adverse consequences for governments.

It said sugar is an integral part of the quality of life for people and its availability at an affordable price inevitably attracts the constitutional guaranteed right to life under Article 9 of the Constitution.

It said whenever there is a shortage of an essential commodity in the market or there is an increase in its price, government is not only expected to fulfill its constitutional obligations but it becomes a duty to discover its reasons and to take appropriate measures to alleviate sufferings of people.

“[Therefore] the sugar crisis, which had led the prime minster to order a preliminary inquiry and appoint an ad hoc committee followed by notification of a statutory commission of inquiry by the federal government were exclusively executive functions.

“It was indeed a definite matter of public importance, besides being a matter of general interest and of direct and vital concern for the general public,” the judgment noted.

The IHC also rejected the sugar mills owners claim that the inquiry commission aimed at tarnishing their reputation and noted that the inquiry reports rather than tarnishing reputation of mills had raises serious questions about persons holding public offices in the current government

“The observations made regarding a current chief executive of a province ought to be a concern for the latter because it may have reputational consequences for him.

“The commission of inquiry had indeed acted fairly and had made the report 'with courage and frankness'. By no stretch of the imagination can it be implied that the proceedings, the conduct of the members of the commission of inquiry or the report itself reflected apparent bias.

The order, however, noted that the Supreme Court has declared that the federal government is the collective entity described as cabinet, consisting of the prime minister and the federal ministers.

“The secretary, a minister, nor the prime minister are the federal cabinet and thus the exercise or purported exercise of a statutory power vested in the federal government by one of them is constitutionally invalid and a nullity in the eyes of the law,” it added.

Meanwhile, the federal government also submitted additional documents to the Supreme Court, which is hearing its appeal against the Sindh High Court’s (SHC) June 24 order.

Hearing sugar mills owners’ petition, the SHC last month restrained the federal authorities from taking action against around 20 sugar mills of Sindh on basis of the inquiry commission’s report.
 
Sugar, flour crisis: Govt taking action against 156 food department employees, says Akbar

(Karachi) Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Accountability Shahzad Akbar said that the government has initiated action against 156 employees of the food department for their alleged involvement in sugar and flour crisis.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad on Friday, he transpired that about 60 to 70 government officials are directly involved with the mills. He maintained wheat was provided to 667 flour mills under government subsidy.

While referring to the stay order on the implementation of the sugar commission report by Sindh High Court, Akbar said that after hearing the government’s stance, the top court dismissed the restraining order.

"Measures were also recommended on the flour crisis. In the 2018 Ramadan package, wheat was released to the mills at the wheat subsidy rate. Out of 667, 149 flour mills were found involved in wheat theft," he highlighted.

The SAPM said that mills caused a loss of about Rs250 million, out of which Anti-Corruption Punjab has deposited Rs190 million in the treasury. "Following the report of the Sugar Commission, each institution will take action under its own law," Akbar said.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...inst-156-food-department-employees-says-akbar
 
Govt directs authorities to launch investigation against 'sugar mafia'

The Federal Government on Monday has taken a major decision to crack down on the 'sugar mafia.'

As per details, the government has directed the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) and the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) to begin the investigation on the basis of the Sugar Commission report.

The Competition Commission was also asked to explain the delay in taking action against the sugar mafia.

Special Assistant to Prime Minister for Accountability and Internal Affairs Shehzad Akbar has written letters to six institutions and three provinces. The letters are based on the Sugar Commission report, which directs the FBR, SECP, and FIA to conduct further investigations and also to submit an implementation report within 90 days.

The letter directed the FBR, NAB, SECP, FIA, Governor State Bank of Pakistan, and the Competition Commission of Pakistan.

Sending the Sugar Commission report along with the letters, it was directed that NAB should determine the culprits in the light of the findings of the Sugar Commission report.

Whereas, the SBP should investigate the misuse of sugar reserves and suspicious exports and submit a comprehensive report on all sugar mills. Furthermore, FIA and SECP should investigate corporate fraud and determine those responsible.

The letter sought clarification from the Competition Commission on the delay in taking action against the sugar mafia and directed an inquiry into the non-supply of sugar to the utility stores, and hoarding.

The letter to the Chief Secretaries of Punjab, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh directed a further investigation into various sugar mills. Under the letter, the provinces have been directed to take legal action against sugar mills buying sugarcane from farmers at low prices, and the matter should be investigated by the provincial anti-corruption department.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...s-to-launch-investigation-against-sugar-mafia
 
Nothing will come of this dramaybaazi! The government is so inept!

If he was going to do draamabazi then he could have a) not held the enquiry whilst promising one, b) if he held it, find some total loser to do it other than Wajid Zia, C) Not publish the findings, D) do nothing when the IHC and SHC gave stay orders. So far supporters of the crooks and murderers have been wrong at every stage. Why dont you face The reality is that losers like you will never be pleased.
 
Back in winter sugar price jumped to 75 , govt took action against mafia now in summer sugar price jumped to 90 govt took action against mafia,
 
Back in winter sugar price jumped to 75 , govt took action against mafia now in summer sugar price jumped to 90 govt took action against mafia,

The mafia are too powerful and if the Kaptaan loses to them, he wont last too long. The simple solution to pricing is to import more and cut the price. But in a country with high diabetes rate, a lower price for sugar is not a good thing, the extra price should go into govt coffers, not into the grubby hands of the sugar mafia
 
Pakistan could import 300,000 tonnes sugar to ease price rise-trade

KARACHI/MUMBAI: Pakistan could import around 300,000 tonnes of sugar to tackle a shortage that has lifted local sugar prices by 22% in seven months, industry officials told Reuters, flagging a move that could support global prices and calm the local market.

Islamabad was exporting sugar until earlier this year, but now has a shortage as sugar production has fallen below consumption levels for the 2019/20 marketing year ending Sept. 30.

"In the July 22 meeting of the sugar advisory board, I recommended to the government to import at least 300,000 tonnes of sugar for open market intervention to control the price hike," Javed Kayani, senior vice chairman of Pakistan Sugar Mills Association, told Reuters on Monday.

The government is expected to consider the proposal as a priority at the Economic Coordination Committee's next meeting, Kayani said, without saying when that would be.

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday told authorities to plan for sugar imports.

Retail sugar prices in Pakistan have jumped to 90 rupees per kg from 74 rupees per kg in January.

Pakistan produced 4.8 million tonnes of sugar in the current season against local demand of 5.5 million tonnes.

Sugar mills are expected to start crushing from November but until then supplies would remain limited and Islamabad needs to import as early as next month, a Mumbai-based dealer with a global trading firm said on condition of anonymity.

A Singapore-based dealer, who also asked not to be named, said Pakistan would be likely to import sugar from Dubai's Al Khaleej Sugar, which operates the world's largest port-based sugar refinery.

"Al Khaleej and India can supply sugar quickly at lower prices to Pakistan. As Pakistan wont import sugar from India due to ongoing tensions, it would prefer Al Khaleej," the dealer said.

Pakistan's sugar crisis is a political issue.

In May, the government made public a report that showed sugar barons made a windfall profit of 100 billion rupees ($600.24 million) through actions such as fudging production costs to claim subsidies, under-reporting sales and exploiting farmers.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...-300000-tonnes-sugar-to-ease-price-rise-trade
 
Pakistan could import 300,000 tonnes sugar to ease price rise-trade

KARACHI/MUMBAI: Pakistan could import around 300,000 tonnes of sugar to tackle a shortage that has lifted local sugar prices by 22% in seven months, industry officials told Reuters, flagging a move that could support global prices and calm the local market.

Islamabad was exporting sugar until earlier this year, but now has a shortage as sugar production has fallen below consumption levels for the 2019/20 marketing year ending Sept. 30.

"In the July 22 meeting of the sugar advisory board, I recommended to the government to import at least 300,000 tonnes of sugar for open market intervention to control the price hike," Javed Kayani, senior vice chairman of Pakistan Sugar Mills Association, told Reuters on Monday.

The government is expected to consider the proposal as a priority at the Economic Coordination Committee's next meeting, Kayani said, without saying when that would be.

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday told authorities to plan for sugar imports.

Retail sugar prices in Pakistan have jumped to 90 rupees per kg from 74 rupees per kg in January.

Pakistan produced 4.8 million tonnes of sugar in the current season against local demand of 5.5 million tonnes.

Sugar mills are expected to start crushing from November but until then supplies would remain limited and Islamabad needs to import as early as next month, a Mumbai-based dealer with a global trading firm said on condition of anonymity.

A Singapore-based dealer, who also asked not to be named, said Pakistan would be likely to import sugar from Dubai's Al Khaleej Sugar, which operates the world's largest port-based sugar refinery.

"Al Khaleej and India can supply sugar quickly at lower prices to Pakistan. As Pakistan wont import sugar from India due to ongoing tensions, it would prefer Al Khaleej," the dealer said.

Pakistan's sugar crisis is a political issue.

In May, the government made public a report that showed sugar barons made a windfall profit of 100 billion rupees ($600.24 million) through actions such as fudging production costs to claim subsidies, under-reporting sales and exploiting farmers.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...-300000-tonnes-sugar-to-ease-price-rise-trade

Open up the market to imports and prices will fall. This is a scam by the mafia
 
The Sindh High Court (SHC) on Monday declared the constitution of the sugar inquiry commission — formed to probe the recent crisis of the commodity in the country — and its report illegal.

The court directed the National Accountability Bureau (NAB), the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) and the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) to conduct separate and independent investigations into the crisis.

The written verdict was issued by a division bench headed by Justice K. K. Agha while hearing a set of petitions filed by sugar mils in Sindh.

On June 23, Mirpurkhas Sugar Mills and around 19 other mills in the province had moved the SHC against the report of the inquiry commission and pleaded to quash the report.

The petitioners had contended that the commission was not constituted in accordance with the relevant law and included members who had already made up their minds against the sugar mills as they were also members of an earlier inquiry committee constituted for the same purpose.

In the written order issued today, the SHC listed eight reasons for quashing the report, including the "failure to follow mandatory rules of business" and "the failure to gazette the notification of the commission within due time".

The court stated that the commission's constitution was "incomplete", "biased" and denied the petitioners the opportunity to be heard.

The SHC also noted the "prejudice caused to the petitioners by the report, the action plan and letters which were sent by the adviser on accountability and interior to various statutory bodies and violation and interference in the relevant schemes of law and the Constitution by the executive".

"We hereby declare the impugned notification of March 16, 2020 and the impugned report of May 21, 2020 and all subsequent and consequent orders of the respondents [...] to be without lawful authority and of no legal effect, with regard to the petitioners, and quash the impugned report and all such actions and orders."

The SHC also stopped the federal government and all other government departments from directly or indirectly taking any action based on the findings of the report.

The court directed the NAB chairman to open an independent inquiry under the National Accountability Ordinance (NAO) to determine if any acts of corruption had been committed by any of the petitioners, without the reference of the report.

Further, it asked the FBR chairman to open an independent inquiry in accordance with the relevant tax laws to determine whether any "illegality" had been committed by any of the petitioners, without the reference of the report.

Similarly, the high court asked the director of the FIA to also conduct an independent inquiry under the Anti-Money Laundering Act, 2010 to determine if money laundering had been committed by any of the petitioners, without the reference of the report.

It also directed the Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP), the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) and the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP) to "fulfil their respective mandates in accordance with the law, with respect to the petitioners and the sugar industry".

The court also directed that copies of the order be forwarded to the NAB chairman, the FBR chairman, the FIA director general, the CCP chairman, the SECP chairman, the SBP governor and the Sindh chief secretary.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Khalid Jawed Khan said that the government will approach the Supreme Court against the high court's judgement.

Govt orders formal investigations against 'sugar cartel'
On July 28, the federal government had ordered the relevant departments to launch formal investigations in light of the report and where necessary take "penal, corrective and mitigating measures" against the "sugar cartel" implicated in the commission's report.

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Accountability and Interior Shahzad Akbar had written letters to CCP, Sindh chief secretary, Punjab chief secretary, SBP, FIA, SECP and FBR to "undertake a comprehensive investigation" into the matter.

All recipients of the letters, barring the chief secretaries of Sindh and Punjab, were directed to wrap up the investigation and submit a report to the federal government within 90 days.

Sugar probe report
The sugar inquiry commission, which was headed by FIA chief Wajid Zia and included officials from other institutions, was set up on the orders of Prime Minister Imran Khan to investigate the reasons behind the soaring price and shortage of the commodity in the country.

The commission's report, which was made public by the government in April, exposed multiple wrongdoings within the sugar industry and implicated key government and opposition political figures, including PTI leader Jahangir Tareen, PML-Q MNA Moonis Elahi, federal minister Khusro Bakhtiar and PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif's son.

The report detailed how over the years sugar mill owners had manipulated the market to make windfall profits amounting to billions of rupees, shedding light on the nexus between these owners and various government officials that led to unregulated practises bypassing laws and often exploiting the farmers.

It also revealed how the ‘sugar cartel’ comprising 88 mills had cheated sugarcane growers and consumers at every step starting from the procurement of cane, production of sugar, sale in the local market and export, all of which led to price hike of sugar as well as billions of rupees of tax evasion.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1574918
 
So what is the update on these mafias? We found out that all these mafia leaders are Imran’s friends and financed his election campaign.
 
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