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Hope everybody is safe

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Latimer Road blocks on fire 😩😩😩😩 I hope they got out alive and are safe <a href="https://t.co/OJvympXLdJ">pic.twitter.com/OJvympXLdJ</a></p>— سرمد (@sarmadbdk) <a href="https://twitter.com/sarmadbdk/status/874787563642511362">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Worryingly prescient blog from tenants, warning that Grenfell Tower on Latimer Road was a huge fire risk: <a href="https://t.co/j8Dr3bF8Fm">https://t.co/j8Dr3bF8Fm</a></p>— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/874811533741764608">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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God this is horrible

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am looking at someone moving around 3/4 of the way up the building screaming</p>— lily #labourtine&#55356;&#57224; (@lilyallen) <a href="https://twitter.com/lilyallen/status/874817707031617536">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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This is going to be bad

Apparently people were told to stay in building

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earlier in the year, the government delayed a review into fire safety in tower blocks across Britain. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrenfellTower?src=hash">#GrenfellTower</a> <a href="https://t.co/BWnjkZJMTY">https://t.co/BWnjkZJMTY</a></p>— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) <a href="https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/874829622126551041">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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This is absolutely tragic. A lot of ppl are trapped inside screaming for help. Apparently the building might collapse now. Horrific so sad.
 
A 27 story apartment block and no proper fire exit/s in place according to reports. Unbelievable.
 
A number Of people have been killed.

Those at the top had absolute no chance to escape.

Some Jumped to their deaths.

Rip, so tragic.
 
BBC news says children were "jumping or thrown"from the building in last desperate bid to survive . This is horrific.
 
There is an incredible catalogue of Government/Council/Landlord failures which contributed to this

Apparently...

Government sat on inconvenient reports on safety issues / cut Fire service
Council actively engaged in harassing residents who warned about fire safety issues
Landlord spent millions on 'cladding' to make building look pretty for the rich neighbours but failed to install a water sprinkler system
 
I would like to know if that cladding was the same type that went up in the other London fire of the same type in 2010 or thereabouts. If so, why was it not stripped off? Why did the fire alarms not activate? How often were they tested? What suppression systems were in place above the height reachable by high pressure hoses? Did they operate? Had compartmentalisation been compromised by recent works? Were fire doors maintained? Who is the Responsible Person under the RR(FS)O2005? Who wrote the fire risk assessment? Were the assessment recommendations followed by the Responsible Person?
 
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Six supposedly killed according to Sky News. Devastating news.
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The confirmed deaths are still reasonably low - hope it stays that way however they are also reporting that only 68 taken to hospital so far plus ten self admittance. That leaves 100s unaccounted for.
 
Looks like Kensington & Chelsea Tennant Management Organisation are under scrutiny.

Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea are probably behind a risk management firewall, if you excuse the horrible analogy.
 
R.I.P. Not sure if true but somebody on the social said there were people on the upper floors who kept screaming for help but no body arrived to help them on time. How did the whole building caught on fire so fast? Surely Fire Brigade should have been quick enough to stop it from spreading.
 
“A disaster waiting to happen,” is how the architect and fire expert Sam Webb describes hundreds of tower blocks across the UK, after the fire at Grenfell Tower in Kensington which has left at least six people dead. “We are still wrapping postwar high-rise buildings in highly flammable materials and leaving them without sprinkler systems installed, then being surprised when they burn down.”

Webb surveyed hundreds of residential tower blocks across the country in the early 1990s and presented a damning report to the Home Office, which revealed that more than half of the buildings didn’t meet basic fire safety standards. He said: “We discovered a widespread breach of safety, but we were simply told nothing could be done because it would ‘make too many people homeless’.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-to-happen-fire-expert-slams-uk-tower-blocks
 
Saeed said:
R.I.P. Not sure if true but somebody on the social said there were people on the upper floors who kept screaming for help but no body arrived to help them on time. How did the whole building caught on fire so fast? Surely Fire Brigade should have been quick enough to stop it from spreading.
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Fire services got there within 6 minutes. The building shouldn't have gone up so quickly. The latest theory is either something to do with the cladding or gas pipes both of which were installed/modified recently.
 
Those poor kids in that video shouting help , I wish I never watched that video it just chills u to the bones so heartbreaking
 
Yep very sad to hear, have friends near the area and it is absolutely scary - just need to pray that casualties are as low as possible.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“There is no way that that fire should spread that quickly on a newly refurbished building” - <a href="https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeClarke">@MrGeorgeClarke</a> tells <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/newsnight?src=hash">#newsnight</a> <a href="https://t.co/UkwGIw6AVs">pic.twitter.com/UkwGIw6AVs</a></p>— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/875106922554380288">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well said sista

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"If it wasn't for all these young Muslim boys around here, helping us, coming from mosques, people would have been dead." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrenfellTower?src=hash">#GrenfellTower</a> <a href="https://t.co/JH9geBpMdx">pic.twitter.com/JH9geBpMdx</a></p>— Rowaida Abdelaziz (@Rowaida_Abdel) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rowaida_Abdel/status/875000839634649089">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Apparently a faulty fridge in one of the bottom floors might be to blame. RIP a horrible tragedy.
 
Grenfell Tower floorplan shows how 120 flats were packed into highrise

A structural engineer is monitoring the stability of Grenfell Tower, amid fears the 24-storey highrise in west London could collapse after being ravaged by fire.

Built in 1974, there are 120 homes in the block, made up of one- and two-bedroom flats. Up to 600 people are believed to have been inside the building in north Kensington when the blaze broke out shortly before 1am.

According to several witnesses, the blaze started on one side of the tower block, before sweeping around the building and engulfing it in flames from the second to the top floor.

In November 2016, a blog post from the Grenfell Action Group warned "only a catastrophic event" would expose safety concerns that residents had.

The group said there was one entry and exit to Grenfell Tower during improvement works at the block in Latimer Road and it had issues with evacuation procedures at the building.
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London has been lurching from one disaster to another ever since Sajid Khan took office
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Fire services got there within 6 minutes. The building shouldn't have gone up so quickly. The latest theory is either something to do with the cladding or gas pipes both of which were installed/modified recently.
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Also, just one staircase so the firefighters would have been unable to get up it as it was full of residents coming down. The whole building was therefore Dead End condition. Terrifying.
 
If true this is shocking, guy packs his bags THEN informs others about a fire.

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Horrible tragedy and does not make the government-led programme of austerity & cuts look very good at all.
 
What has this to do with austerity? The building had new firewalls and fire doors. All partitions were firestopped according to the contractor. The problem seems to have been the cladding which was installed to reduce heating costs to the residents.
 
Robert said:
What has this to do with austerity? The building had new firewalls and fire doors. All partitions were firestopped according to the contractor. The problem seems to have been the cladding which was installed to reduce heating costs to the residents.
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Boris Johnson cut fire services. There is video of him telling London Assembly members who questioned him about it 'get stuffed'

The Austerity agenda was all about neoliberal ideology to reduce/defund public services to favour the 1%. Police/Fire frontline services were cut. You can bet there was a similar reduction in the backend prevention/regulation services as well
 
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/akalamusic">@akalamusic</a>: “The people who died and lost their homes, this happened to them because they are poor” <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Grenfell?src=hash">#Grenfell</a><a href="https://t.co/lRthiV6Lrd">pic.twitter.com/lRthiV6Lrd</a></p>— Corbynator (@Corbynator2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Corbynator2/status/875299594577620994">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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"Thank you Ramadan"

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'Young Muslim boys were banging on our doors to wake everyone up.'<br>- Locals praise Muslim community following <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrenfellTower?src=hash">#GrenfellTower</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrenfellFire?src=hash">#GrenfellFire</a> <a href="https://t.co/k2HTwRRmcm">pic.twitter.com/k2HTwRRmcm</a></p>— Lucy Sherriff (@sherrifflucy) <a href="https://twitter.com/sherrifflucy/status/875030415421169664">14 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, I spoke with residents of Grenfell Tower. We must & will do everything in our power to ensure the truth about this tragedy comes out. <a href="https://t.co/28EHTVeAMS">pic.twitter.com/28EHTVeAMS</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/875346228392976384">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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This is from a well known economist Danny Blanchflower who has been a member of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May voted for austerity & now doesn't have the guts to speak with ordinary folks who have suffered because of the harm she chose to inflict</p>— Danny Blanchflower (@D_Blanchflower) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/875305074595176448">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May Cameron Osborne Clegg imposed evil austerity on the poor as a choice and there were always going to be consequences on the poor <a href="https://t.co/mSXNIzU9ed">https://t.co/mSXNIzU9ed</a></p>— Danny Blanchflower (@D_Blanchflower) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/875304518082232320">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LBC uncovers speech by ex-Housing Minister Gavin Barwell promising to act over tower block safety. It never happened <a href="https://t.co/VL6LEPxKrI">https://t.co/VL6LEPxKrI</a></p>— LBC (@LBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/LBC/status/875279043356233728">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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This guy speaks some real truth here

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ishmahil Blagrove had some strong words for the mainstream media outside <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/grenfelltower?src=hash">#grenfelltower</a> and everyone cheered. <a href="https://t.co/ze1PoFz5zz">pic.twitter.com/ze1PoFz5zz</a></p>— Fiona Rutherford (@Fi_Rutherford) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fi_Rutherford/status/875332304633200641">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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s28 said:
Boris Johnson cut fire services. There is video of him telling London Assembly members who questioned him about it 'get stuffed'

The Austerity agenda was all about neoliberal ideology to reduce/defund public services to favour the 1%. Police/Fire frontline services were cut. You can bet there was a similar reduction in the backend prevention/regulation services as well
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No number of firefighters or appliances would have made any difference to this blaze, due to the single staircase access to the building. Half the building was above the reach of their hoses.

Neither would sprinklers have made a difference as the fire spread up the outside.

These blocks need multiple exit routes. Build protected staircases onto the outside of them, to get people out and firefighters in. Failing that, pull them down and rehouse the people in low-rises.
 
Third, to what extent has public safety been affected by the closure of fire stations across London, and the loss of more than 600 firefighter jobs in recent years? We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to the fire brigade — and it’s clear that they’ve done the best possible job at Grenfell Tower. But is this a time to look again at whether more investment in our fire service is needed? Data released by the London Fire Brigade showed that response times increased in two-thirds of London wards after the last round of fire station closures — do we think that’s a price worth paying?

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...cuts-to-services-in-sharp-focus-a3564931.html
 
Other firefighters said they could not speak freely, but had been in the fire, rescuing residents. Some had used up four oxygen canisters going in and out of the flames. Cuts to the fire service had taken a serious toll on operations, they said.

“Put it this way, you’re meant to work on a fire for a maximum of four hours, we’ve been here for 12. Hopefully, we’ll get home at some point before we have to come back tonight.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ze-puts-emergency-service-cuts-in-sharp-focus
 
heard that the death toll would have been huge if muslims were not fasting in Ramadan,
 
The real death toll is feared to be over 150. Apparently over a hundred bodies are still in the building.
 
Yes Lily Allen interviewed on Channel 4 News said that is number Police and Firemen had told her 'off the record'
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lily Allen: 'The government is trying to micromanage grief' <a href="https://t.co/XRUbEEJ8Yy">https://t.co/XRUbEEJ8Yy</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4">@jonsnowC4</a></p>— lily #labourtine&#55356;&#57224; (@lilyallen) <a href="https://twitter.com/lilyallen/status/875433167888539654">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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s28 said:
Other firefighters said they could not speak freely, but had been in the fire, rescuing residents. Some had used up four oxygen canisters going in and out of the flames. Cuts to the fire service had taken a serious toll on operations, they said.

“Put it this way, you’re meant to work on a fire for a maximum of four hours, we’ve been here for 12. Hopefully, we’ll get home at some point before we have to come back tonight.”

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Ah, now this is a different matter. They are emergency service staff and have to stay at work until the job is done. But if there was a blaze elsewhere, and the Kensington disaster sucked in so many crews that they could not respond in time to another blaze, that would have to be looked at by the London Mayor and Home Secretary.

It is starting to look like someone knowingly increased the fire load on a residential tower with just one fire escape route. That is a breach of the fire regs.
 
s28 said:
Third, to what extent has public safety been affected by the closure of fire stations across London, and the loss of more than 600 firefighter jobs in recent years? We all owe a huge debt of gratitude to the fire brigade — and it’s clear that they’ve done the best possible job at Grenfell Tower. But is this a time to look again at whether more investment in our fire service is needed? Data released by the London Fire Brigade showed that response times increased in two-thirds of London wards after the last round of fire station closures — do we think that’s a price worth paying?

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...cuts-to-services-in-sharp-focus-a3564931.html
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If we want better a better-staffed better-equipped fire service we will have to accept council tax rises.

I live in a county where there is one single fire station manned 24/7, down by the docks. Even the county capital's station shuts overnight. Otherwise the county stations are staffed by volunteers. This does concern me.
 
Robert said:
What has this to do with austerity? The building had new firewalls and fire doors. All partitions were firestopped according to the contractor. The problem seems to have been the cladding which was installed to reduce heating costs to the residents.
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It is the price of private greed and the price of deregulation.

It is also the price of a grossly unequal housing market whereby the poor are condemned to low quality housing after being driven out of their communities due to social cleansing, left to the mercy of landlords who cut corners in these areas where there is less financial return.

The residents could not even take legal action as the legal aid budget has been slashed.

Both the Tories and New Labour should be held accountable for the sorry state of social housing in this country, this demented obsession with a "property owning democracy" has to stop and the needs of social renters met.

Where is "strong and stable" Theresa May and why isn't she meeting the residents ? During the election she ran away from debates and real voters, and she's running away again.
 
Fire death-trap just waiting to happen. Corporate manslaughter charges could well be on the cards.

How did the alarm system operate?

Several residents said they did not hear a building-wide alarm. One man said the first thing he heard was the sirens of emergency vehicles. How was the building’s alarm system set up?

More than one resident has claimed there was no central fire alarm system for the tower block – or that it had failed – and only smoke alarms in individual flats were working. Were they battery operated or hard-wired into the system? Board minutes suggest installing hard-wired fire alarms had been planned.
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Claims spending just another $8000 could have saved the Grenfell Tower

What about the external cladding?

It has also emerged that the panels fitted during a controversial refurbishment of Grenfell Tower had been outlawed in the US for similar buildings.

Three versions of the Reynobond aluminium panels are produced. Two have fire resistant cores — the third has a flammable plastic core. It is thought the cheaper version, with the plastic sandwiched between metal panels, was used in the Grenfell building.

A salesman for US-based Reynobond told The Times that the panels with the polyethylene (PE) core had been banned in the US for buildings higher than 12 metres.

“It’s because of the fire and smoke spread. The FR [variant] is fire resistant, the PE [is just plastic].”

The polyethylene panelling sells for £22 ($37) per square metre. The fire resistant panel retails for $24 ($40), just $3 more.

“A rough calculation suggest panels covered more than 2000 square metres on Grenfell, meaning contractors could have acquired the fire resistant version for less than £5000 ($8500) extra,” The Times reported.


What about the new gas pipes in the central stairwell? Did they exacerbate the blaze?

A local councillor, Judith Blakeman, who sits on the tenant management organisation, raised concerns in March about the National Grid installation of gas risers or pipes in the main stairwell as part of the refurbishment. She was reassured by the landlord that they would be boxed in with “fire-rated” protection, but this does not appear to have been done. The London fire brigade said on Thursday morning they had not been able to put out the flames until they had isolated a ruptured gas main in the block.


It has also emerged that the four most senior staff at the KCTMO, who managed the tower, were potentially paid in excess of $1 million annually.

According to The Times, the not-for-profit paid its “key management personnel” £650,794 ($1,094,456) in 2015-16.

The company has not confirmed how many of its staff are “key”. However, only four senior executives are listed in its accounts.

Shared among four people, their individual salaries would be £163,000 ($274,000) each. British Prime Minister Theresa May’s annual salary is less than that at £142,500.
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Slog said:
London has been lurching from one disaster to another ever since Sajid Khan took office
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Firstly its Sadiq Khan not Sajid Khan. Secondly, the tower block falls under the jurisdiction of a Tory run council.
 
Markhor said:
It is the price of private greed and the price of deregulation.

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What deregulation do you refer to [MENTION=26344]mark[/MENTION]or? This is my area of professional competence and I can't think of any.
 
Robert said:
What deregulation do you refer to [MENTION=26344]mark[/MENTION]or? This is my area of professional competence and I can't think of any.
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Ok let's see..... how about not erecting something on the outside that would engulf the whole building in flames within minutes...

No regulations to cover this aspect?
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ok let's see..... how about not erecting something on the outside that would engulf the whole building in flames within minutes...

No regulations to cover this aspect?
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Yes there are. The regs say you must seek to reduce fire load.
 
Robert said:
What deregulation do you refer to [MENTION=26344]mark[/MENTION]or? This is my area of professional competence and I can't think of any.
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Let me quote the FT:

The building regulations in place when Grenfell Tower was designed demanded generous space standards (which were abandoned by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1980) and made rigorously codified fire provision for escape and compartmentation. These had been eroded in the rebuilding of Grenfell Tower as more flats were squeezed in to increase accommodation.

Regulation has been denounced as “red tape” and the Conservatives have consistently voted against legislation to regulate landlords’ obligations better. Building regulations for fire prevention and safety have not been reviewed for more than a decade, even though most regulations are re-examined every couple of years to keep pace with changing technology and materials.

The right has gleefully pointed to Brexit as an opportunity for a “bonfire” of red tape. Sparks from a bonfire, however, can sometimes catch.
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Why was cladding that is banned in the US and Germany used in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower ? Why, after the 2013 Lakanal Fire coroner's report, did the Local Government department fail to act on the recommendation that it review building regulations and in particular fire safety standards ? Why didn't the government act on the recommendation to retrofit sprinklers in high-rise blocks ?

If the Lakanal Fire coroner's report was implemented in full by the Government then maybe this appalling tragedy, which has ensnared the lives of 30 people and counting, would have been avoided.
 
Markhor said:
Let me quote the FT:



Why was cladding that is banned in the US and Germany used in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower ? Why, after the 2013 Lakanal Fire coroner's report, did the Local Government department fail to act on the recommendation that it review building regulations and in particular fire safety standards ? Why didn't the government act on the recommendation to retrofit sprinklers in high-rise blocks ?

If the Lakanal Fire coroner's report was implemented in full by the Government then maybe this appalling tragedy, which has ensnared the lives of 30 people and counting, would have been avoided.
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Ok, so the FT does not say what deregulation is alleged to have occurred, but merely implies that it has.

Regarding the cladding, that other counties have outlawed a building material does not mean its use was deregulated here.

Local government cannot review building regulations, only Westminster can.

Regarding sprinklers, there is more than one way to make a building fire safe. Where specifically did the Coroner recommend they be installed? Inside the flats? Frustrating for the residents as their homes are drenched by repeated false alarms. Inside the plant rooms and hallways? That would make practical sense. But the extra compartmentalisation and firestopping of services would have been considered enough to make the building safe. Better to stop a fire spreading than extinguish it once it has taken hold. I suspect that sprinklers would have done little good given the rate and vector of spread anyway.

What disturbs me is that there appears to be a lack of maintenance of certain systems - alarms and emergency lighting. What oversight did council inspectors apply to their arms-length landlord, I wonder?

My other concern is that Building Regs should have been strengthened regarding the plastic component of the cladding, outlawing it, in line with the findings from the 2009 blaze and international best practice.
 
There is a Petition calling for an Inquest rather than an Inquiry

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliam...t=nafta_share_post_title_en_2:FB_share_copy_1

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We must call for an inquest NOT a public inquiry. The Government MUSN'T hide the truth! Sign this petition: <a href="https://t.co/q3vW77491R">https://t.co/q3vW77491R</a> RETWEET! <a href="https://t.co/L1BWRTIHOZ">pic.twitter.com/L1BWRTIHOZ</a></p>— J-mal / JFX (@ItsJmal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ItsJmal/status/875677737637335041">16 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Robert said:
If we want better a better-staffed better-equipped fire service we will have to accept council tax rises.

I live in a county where there is one single fire station manned 24/7, down by the docks. Even the county capital's station shuts overnight. Otherwise the county stations are staffed by volunteers. This does concern me.
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Why council tax specifically? There are all sorts of taxes levied on the ordinary citizen, I would have thought health and safety is one of those areas where the taxpayer's money should be prioritised. I would rather my money went there than paying for teenage mums to get complimentary housing as a result of their adventures.
 
Protestors storm Kensington Town Hall... Government needs to get ahead of this anger before it boils over into riots

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Protesters in Kensington march into town hall in protest at events leading up to & surrounding Grenfell Tower Fire. <a href="https://t.co/SuaIasrVLk">pic.twitter.com/SuaIasrVLk</a></p>— Tory Fibs (@ToryFibs) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/875738591737122816">16 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“We’ve asked for a review of building regulations. We’ve been waiting 11 years.” - Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Fire Safety Group <a href="https://t.co/ElJsNN1fOw">pic.twitter.com/ElJsNN1fOw</a></p>— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/875446958789468160">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May labelled "coward" after meeting with Grenfell fire victims, as No.10 announced £5m emergency fund: <a href="https://t.co/yAhdckxWiG">https://t.co/yAhdckxWiG</a> <a href="https://t.co/zCdU4XwWiL">pic.twitter.com/zCdU4XwWiL</a></p>— ITV News (@itvnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/875767704782876673">16 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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s28 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May labelled "coward" after meeting with Grenfell fire victims, as No.10 announced £5m emergency fund: <a href="https://t.co/yAhdckxWiG">https://t.co/yAhdckxWiG</a> <a href="https://t.co/zCdU4XwWiL">pic.twitter.com/zCdU4XwWiL</a></p>— ITV News (@itvnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/875767704782876673">16 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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She was called "murderer" as well.

May's failure to meet with the residents on Thursday will go down as her Hurricane Katrina moment. I don't buy this "security concerns" argument as the Queen and Prince William got down there to meet with locals and there were no issues.

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When I look at this image it reminds of Thatcher standing on the Leppings Lane terrace at Hillsborough with Duckenfield and co all over again.
 
This is incredibly sad. To think 500 people might have died. 500 ! This is a 9/11 type tragedy. Will there be a War on Neoliberalism ? There blooming well should be. Our ruling class did this... our ruling class who prioritise Profit over People they did this. Our ruling class who routinely Privatise Profits and Socialise Losses they did this. They have blood on their hands.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nah this is sad <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GrenfellTower?src=hash">#GrenfellTower</a> &#55357;&#56868;&#55357;&#56880;<a href="https://t.co/svdjawGhHO">pic.twitter.com/svdjawGhHO</a></p>— ㅤ (@LowkeyMo_) <a href="https://twitter.com/LowkeyMo_/status/875870534814314496">17 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"The culture of greed and narcissism that's been promoted across this country has to change," says this North Kensington resident <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Grenfell?src=hash">#Grenfell</a> <a href="https://t.co/WOstHEGQoN">pic.twitter.com/WOstHEGQoN</a></p>— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) <a href="https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/875671118794936324">16 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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This new government (well it is not even an official government yet) is having an absolute 'mare, and it has barely been a week. I can't see that a single good decision or moment of sound foresight has occured so far.
 
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