Hammad Azam or Haris Sohail?

[super hitter]

who can be the future beast in the Pakistan's cricket team
taking in consideration their domestic performances
the two have the courage and wisdom to become PAKISTANS tendulkars
but who do you really think can achieve the incredible achievments. ????????????????????????

 

[Fastandfurious]

Haris Sohail.

 

[Mamoon]

Both are very good.

Hammad Azam is far better than the crap Bhatti and Anwar and Haris Sohail is a very good batsman who should be in the team ahead of the likes of Fawad Alam.

 

[Jabo]

Haven't seen much of Sohail in the international scene but Azam doesn't seem all that like how people make him.

 

[Sakss]

Depends one is a pura batsman other an all rounder...Both can fit in to the team in the longer run

 

[Madplayer]

both should be in the team.
haris is a proper batsman (better than most if not all in the current team)

hammad has loads of potential. needs to be in the team in place of the crappy "all rounders" that we have.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Haris by a long long way


and please none of them will be Sachin

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Hammad can be our Angelo and Haris is one of the best we have right now.

 

[super hitter]

Haris by a long long way


and please none of them will be Sachin

why what happened

 

[Bullet Drive]

Haris Sohail is one quality operator and the second best batsman in PAK after Umar and followed by Shehzad.

Hammad isn't a genuine batsman as we all know but still a quality hitter.

Both alongside Raza Hasan, Irfan and Jamshed are a MUST in our WC15 team.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

why what happened

haris and hammad are both in there mid 20s, by this time sachin was one of the best players going around

 

[Mamoon]

Jamshed is very good, but if he is picked for the 2015 World Cup and fails, that could be his end and his confidence will be totally shattered.

Let him gain some form first.

 

[super hitter]

Haris Sohail is one quality operator and the second best batsman in PAK after Umar and followed by Shehzad.

Hammad isn't a genuine batsman as we all know but still a quality hitter.

Both alongside Raza Hasan, Irfan and Jamshed are a MUST in our WC15 team.

nasir jamshed are you kidding ,see his cpl performance first.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

The best player ODI player right now and the right horse to bet on would be Sohaib Maqsood. List A ave. of 43 and a 91 S/R. He should be persisted with.

 

[Hawkeye]

Harris Sohail. A complete batsman, no apparent weakness against pace or spin, proper range of shots and technique.

Agree he should've been in the team ahead of Fawad Alam.

Hammad is more of a slogger and he isn't consistent at hitting even. His bowling is more than horrible.

Hammad > Bhatti in batting
Bhatti > Hammad in bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

Umar Akmal > Haris Sohail > Umar Amin > Sohaib Maqsood = Nasir Jamshed > Ahmed Shehzad > Fawad Alam

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Umar Akmal > Haris Sohail > Umar Amin > Sohaib Maqsood = Nasir Jamshed > Ahmed Shehzad > Fawad Alam

No Misbah?

 

[Bullet Drive]

nasir jamshed are you kidding ,see his cpl performance first.

Are you thick?

He played two games.

First game Malik bowled an absolute beauty to get him. Off spin caught at slip.

Second game run out so stop hating and learn the facts before posting.

If you dont know the facts, dont post nonsense and lies.

 

[Bullet Drive]

No Misbah?

He is on about upcoming batsman.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Maqsood is another quality batsman who is out of touch but for me he is ALWAYS a match winner no matter what the conditions.

He has a poor technique and some issues but he is an extremely hard worker and he will win games for Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

No Misbah?

Referring to the young, upcoming batsmen.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Would also like to add Babar Azam and Sami Aslam as two quality upcoming batsman.

Sami I think could play now. Babar will need another year or so.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Referring to the young, upcoming batsmen.

If you had those in a team, what would be your batting order?

 

[saiyan0312]

Amongst our younger crop we have lacked batsmen who can play spin very well and dont get bogged down. Harris is an excellent player of spin as far as i have seen and plays pace well too. He should be in our test squad and should be getting a debut. TBH looking at how inconsistent Azhar,Asad and khurram are i wont be surprised if he is called up soon. He looks like a fine batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar Azam is a fantastic talent and Aslam is good too but I like the former more.

ODIs:

Jamshed
Amin
U. Akmal
Haris
Maqsood

T20s

Jamshed
Sharjeel
U. Akmal
Haris
Maqsood

Tests

Jamshed
Shehzad
Haris
Fawad
U.Akmal
WK

Three different opening pairs in three formats might be a problem, so Shehzad can play at 3 in Tests.

If Umar can become a Test quality WK, Maqsood can be played in Tests as well.

What I like about Umar and Haris and rate them as top 2 is because they can play across all three formats with ease, although Umar will have to improve his innings construction and not be very restless on the crease.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Khurram is rubbish.

Asad is good one innings, rubbish for 15.

Azhar is very good.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Would also like to add Babar Azam and Sami Aslam as two quality upcoming batsman.

Sami I think could play now. Babar will need another year or so.

Sami is a good find but needs to find balance in his scores; he bashes the weak teams and follows up with some poor scores.

 

[Mamoon]

Would also like to add Babar Azam and Sami Aslam as two quality upcoming batsman.

Sami I think could play now. Babar will need another year or so.

I like Babar better because he is more dynamic than Sami Aslam.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]:- That is an interesting and a very good suggestion.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Babar is better than Sami, no doubt.

 

[hur rizvi]

Harris sohail can turn out to be good if given a consistent chance..

Hammad is not a very good cricketer, He is supposed to be an All-Rounder and he trundles at 120-125kph and his batting despite being decent isnt good enough to allow him earn a place in the XI, I hope he proves me wrong, but he will turn out to be a failure

 

[Mamoon]

Which one(s)?

 

[Bullet Drive]

Babar Azam is a fantastic talent and Aslam is good too but I like the former more.

ODIs:

Jamshed
Amin
U. Akmal
Haris
Maqsood

T20s

Jamshed
Sharjeel
U. Akmal
Haris
Maqsood

Tests

Jamshed
Shehzad
Haris
Fawad
U.Akmal
WK

Three different opening pairs in three formats might be a problem, so Shehzad can play at 3 in Tests.

If Umar can become a Test quality WK, Maqsood can be played in Tests as well.

What I like about Umar and Haris and rate them as top 2 is because they can play across all three formats with ease, although Umar will have to improve his innings construction and not be very restless on the crease.

Shehzad scored a t20 hundred one innings ago. Only PAK batsman to do so and you don't want him?

Shehzad has already 5 ODI tons. You go on about Hafeez's appetite for big runs, you should appreciate Shehzads at such a young age.

Shehzad scored an ODI ton in SA which few weeks later NO Indian batsman including Kohli couldn't do. Same conditions and they totally failed.

Maqsood isn't a test batsman in my view. Maybe his hard work will get him there.

Our problem is that too many of our batsman are top order batsman.

We need some batsman who bat at 5/6.

Sami, Babar, Sharjeel, Shehzad all openers.

Azhar, Shafiq, Amin, Haris, Maqsood all number 3 batsman.

Umar Akmal and Fawad are both number 4 batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

Amin is also suited for all 3 formats, but situation demands selection of Sharjeel over him in T20s and Fawad in Tests. Maqsood over him as backup middle order Test batsman because he's not cut for those positions.

 

[hur rizvi]

Umar Akmal > Haris Sohail > Umar Amin > Sohaib Maqsood = Nasir Jamshed > Ahmed Shehzad > Fawad Alam

if you take Umar out, Performance wise the order has been reverse to what you have stated

 

[Mamoon]

Shehzad is not fluent enough for my liking. Yes he has appetite for big runs and values his wicket which is appreciable but he has to badly improve the first phase of his innings. His strike rotation is very poor.

Half centuries at a strike rate of 60-65 won't cut it.

As far T20 is concerned, Jamshed is a better batsman than him and also capable of scoring tons and you need a basher like Sharjeel in T20s.

 

[hur rizvi]

Amin is also suited for all 3 formats, but situation demands selection of Sharjeel over him in T20s and Fawad in Tests. Maqsood over him as backup middle order Test batsman because he's not cut for those positions.

Amin doesnt warrant a selection even in one format as of now, Needs to perform in upcoming season and hope that other contenders dont out-perform him...

We cant select Amin just coz he looks good on the TV screen

 

[hur rizvi]

Amin is also suited for all 3 formats, but situation demands selection of Sharjeel over him in T20s and Fawad in Tests. Maqsood over him as backup middle order Test batsman because he's not cut for those positions.

Amin doesnt warrant a selection even in one format as of now, Needs to perform in upcoming season and hope that other contenders dont out-perform him...

We cant select Amin just coz he looks good on the TV screen

 

[Bullet Drive]

I have spoken too a lot of domestic bowlers and they all say Sharjeel Khan is the best hitter in PAK.

He will come good.

Sehwag type.

 

[Mamoon]

For now, not in the long term.

I rate Haris, Amin and Maqsood very highly.

 

[Bullet Drive]

One thing about Amin is he will never be consistent. But he will provide you with a match winning innings and a match innings hundred once every 15 innings.

He's been like this in u19 cric and domestic.

 

[Mamoon]

Being pleasing on the eye is also a requirement.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Mamoon you talk about shehzad having poor strike rotation, what about Amin?

 

[Mamoon]

Amin has all the shots and great timer of the ball. Plays in the V with a straight bat and is good enough to hit a classy six to Philander.

He needs to work on his attitude and behavior.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Would also like to add all PAK batsman would average at least 5 more, maybe 10 if we played in PAK. I am so sure.

 

[Mamoon]

Of all the good innings Amin has played so far, his strike rate has been exceptional. This shows that when he plays well, he's very fluent at the crease.

Haris and Umar Akmal are very fluent too, so is Maqsood. Shehzad has too catch up in this regard.

 

[hur rizvi]

Shehzad is not fluent enough for my liking. Yes he has appetite for big runs and values his wicket which is appreciable but he has to badly improve the first phase of his innings. His strike rotation is very poor.

Half centuries at a strike rate of 60-65 won't cut it.

As far T20 is concerned, Jamshed is a better batsman than him and also capable of scoring tons and you need a basher like Sharjeel in T20s.

JAmshed is better only against India, Against rest of the teams Shehzad is significantly better...

Against India even Malik can score tons

And despite all of his demerits, Shehzad is significantly better than all the other contenders, competing for the opening slot, We cant dump him for Some India basher or a classy looking Left hander

 

[saadsahabjee]

Another overhyped garbage player like amin , people want him for odis when his List A avg is even worse than Sarfaraz , Faisal Iqbal ,Khalid Latif and even shahzaib hassan .If we are talking about merit then these guys deserves a place first in place of haris sohail.

 

[Mamoon]

We don't have to. If all the other batsmen I mentioned fulfill their potential, Shehzad will find it hard to keep his place because they have higher ceiling.

Jamshed is a very good, watch those innings vs Australia in the UAE and the couple of knocks in the World T20 2012. He has simply lost confidence, nothing to do with opposition.

His 47 on Test debut vs SA was an exceptional innings.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Amin has all the shots and great timer of the ball. Plays in the V with a straight bat and is good enough to hit a classy six to Philander.

He needs to work on his attitude and behavior.

He will never be consistent.

I remember last year in uk club cricket he was failing miserably and then one innings he hit 175.

He is that type of batsman.

Amin will NEVER be consistent but instead will be a one brilliant inning type of batsman.

And would like to add he is worse then Shehzad at strike rotation and I know this after watching them both since 2008.

Ive asked Amin who he thinks is best upcoming PAK batsman and he said Shehzad because we've all seen him do special things at u19 level. An by special I mean crazy.

Shan Masood(close friend of Amin) also said Shehzad is the best. So many have.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Of all the good innings Amin has played so far, his strike rate has been exceptional. This shows that when he plays well, he's very fluent at the crease.

Haris and Umar Akmal are very fluent too, so is Maqsood. Shehzad has too catch up in this regard.

Shehzads best innings are fluent and even you've said this. Watch ODI ton in SA.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Amin is a bit like Bell. World class player but doesn't believe that he's good. Timid and scared attitude on the field.

if Amin had Shehzad's swagger, he'd be great.

 

[Mamoon]

That was just one knock. All of his other hundreds since his comeback have been slow. He takes too much time to get into the zone.

Shehzad should watch videos of bhai, a masterclass for any ODI opener. How to maintain 90 SR without taking risks.

 

[Bullet Drive]

List A in PAK is really easy to bat.

First class is tough.

A high FC average means your good but a decentish one doesn't mean you're bad.

Ask ANY pak domestic batsman which is toughest pitch. They will say Diamond club.

Shan Masood averages 50 here.

Also Shan has done real well in England.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Which one(s)?

Is that referring to my post? If so, those teams you posted are really good. I would like them to play for us, in the order you mentioned.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah, thanks.

 

[Mamoon]

Masood was unfairly treated, I admit. You don't drop a batsman after 2 Tests when he has scored a 70 on debut vs Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

However, I do think we have better options available.

 

[Bullet Drive]

That was just one knock. All of his other hundreds since his comeback have been slow. He takes too much time to get into the zone.

Shehzad should watch videos of bhai, a masterclass for any ODI opener. How to maintain 90 SR without taking risks.

Did you see his ton v Bangladesh? In Wt20 and before you say minnow, you yourself talk up Hafeez performance vs minnows as you say we fail v Zim.

 

[hur rizvi]

Of all the good innings Amin has played so far, his strike rate has been exceptional. This shows that when he plays well, he's very fluent at the crease.

Haris and Umar Akmal are very fluent too, so is Maqsood. Shehzad has too catch up in this regard.

Umar Akmal and Haris arent competing with Shehzad, Pakistan's Middle order has always been better than their openers Historically ...

50 by amin against Mighty Zimbabwe doesnt prove he is a good strike rotator, From what i have seen in his 2 good innings Amin depends more on Boundaries rather than rotating strike, by all that i mean to say that Amin is no prodigy like Amir or Umar Akmal, we cant dump a semi-performing opener Shehzad for this CLH who has no results to show, if he is that good he should open for his domestic team produce the results and then we can think of having him back...

 

[Mamoon]

I am talking about ODIs. Of course no one has the nerve to do tuk tuk for 60 balls in T20s.

 

[Mamoon]

I won't call Amin a prodigy either. He's not a once in a generation talent however if Pakistan don't get the best out of him, we'd be losing out an a very fine cricketer. So far he hasn't played to his potential one bit and his numbers don't do justice to him.

 

[hur rizvi]

Masood was unfairly treated, I admit. You don't drop a batsman after 2 Tests when he has scored a 70 on debut vs Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

However, I do think we have better options available.

He is still in the squad, So he can play in case Manzoor fails in 1st test ...

 

[Bullet Drive]

Mamoon cannot praise Amin's 50 against Zim and then not praise Shehzads t20 hundred vs Bangladesh.

I have to admit those knocks Amin played vs Zim were quality. And if not for him we would have lost. Misbah was doing his best to lose the game.

He also scored a quality 30 odd in the situation.

Amin also did well back end of India game.

 

[Bullet Drive]

I am talking about ODIs. Of course no one has the nerve to do tuk tuk for 60 balls in T20s.

Did you see his 80 odd run out against SL after scoring hundred in previous game?

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Masood was unfairly treated, I admit. You don't drop a batsman after 2 Tests when he has scored a 70 on debut vs Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

However, I do think we have better options available.

He shouldn't have been selected in the first place, but he should have been given a good run once he got selected.

 

[Mamoon]

Shehzad needs to it on a more consistent basis. Its no coincidence that all but one of his hundreds since his comeback have been fluent.

I lost patience with him in the chase vs Bangladesh in the Asia Cup. You don't score a 50 of 90 balls as an opener when you are chasing 320 on a pancake. That was a match losing effort but Afridi saved the day for him.

 

[Bullet Drive]

PAK needs players with a swagger like U.Akmal and Shehzad.

Shan Masood is another good one with words.

He is the most educated of the lot and understands the game so well.

I remember in our last Sharjah test Masood went out to give drinks and Sarfraz came in instead of Misbah and the SL fielders were sledging Masood saying 'oh your scared to send Misbah in' and he replied 'Sarfraz will play now and Misbah will deliver the final punch' and thats exactly what happened.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Shehzad needs to it on a more consistent basis. Its no coincidence that all but one of his hundreds since his comeback have been fluent.

I lost patience with him in the chase vs Bangladesh in the Asia Cup. You don't score a 50 of 90 balls as an opener when you are chasing 320 on a pancake. That was a match losing effort but Afridi saved the day for him.

If Amin scored 74 in that game like Fawad did, you'd be harping on about that right now. Fact.

 

[hur rizvi]

That was just one knock. All of his other hundreds since his comeback have been slow. He takes too much time to get into the zone.

Shehzad should watch videos of bhai, a masterclass for any ODI opener. How to maintain 90 SR without taking risks.

100 against SL also came at almost 90 S/R , he also made 80 ought against them at 90 S/R ..

Yes he needs improvement in Strike rotation, but we need to be patient he is young and has lots of time to improve in that regard

 

[Mamoon]

Yes because I don't think Fawad is good enough. He is a one trick pony good for nudging the ball around.

Just like Junaid's few decent performances don't excite me because I know he's nothing special and is the new Umar Gul.

 

[Hawkeye]

Umar Akmal > Haris Sohail > Umar Amin > Sohaib Maqsood = Nasir Jamshed > Ahmed Shehzad > Fawad Alam

This is a good list based on facts and real cricket knowledge. Not some random sorted search on Cricinfo.
[MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] is also making some decent points in his posts here. But I too disagree with him on Shehzad.

Another problem that Shehzad has; he follows up a ton with DUCK. Happened in SA, same happened in T20 WC where we were knocked out due to this.

 

[Mamoon]

He had a strike rate of in the 80's in that ton vs SL after almost 135 deliveries. That is not good enough.

If you are going to face 100+ deliveries you have to strike at 100. Shehzad ends up with an 80 SR, but plays at 60-65 for the chunk of his innings. Needs to show more urgency from the start.

 

[Mamoon]

Stats are only an estimate, nothing concrete. You have to look at the context as well.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What happened to the Umar Akmal thread ?

:S

 

[Bullet Drive]

Stats aren't everything.

A bowler averaging 23 may not be able to defend an over of lets say 9 whereas as a bowler averaging 30 would.

Its all about nerves.

 

[Mamoon]

Correct. Junaid's average in all formats should be increased by 5 points to reflect his true ability.

 

[last_knight]

Amin has all the shots and great timer of the ball. Plays in the V with a straight bat and is good enough to hit a classy six to Philander.

He needs to work on his attitude and behavior.

For once I agree to what u say here.Has been tough digesting ur posts elsewhere.

 

[last_knight]

And Hammad Azam is very much overrated at PP.I won't be surprised if there already is a thread nominating him as next Maxwell.Fact remains that he doesn't belong to the league.At best a medium pacer version of Hafeez. To make it clear , Hafeez is good only for T20 , that too if opposition name is not India.

 

[Zero]

Haris Sohail looks good, very good.
Get him in the team now, damn it!

 

[Khan88]

Umar Akmal > Haris Sohail > Umar Amin > Sohaib Maqsood = Nasir Jamshed > Ahmed Shehzad > Fawad Alam

Umar Amin....hahahaha good one mate.

What a joke, he's had countless opportunities and failed every single time in every single format.