What's new

Hardik Pandya has the potential to be the best all-rounder in the world

Well you watched the game though right.

Best bowling figures and 2nd highest score for his team with the next highest being 15, not sure what else you were expecting.

5 wickets and 100 runs are not possible every game in test cricket leave alone T20.

Also as a fan you can see he was showing presence of mind even though the bowling was really good and he was struggling a bit against pace and even Kohli gave him credit.

There are lot of things about Pandya that bother me too but nitpicking on or after his performance from yesterday is like the worst timing ever.

Sorry to day but Hardik was badly struggling to hit boundaries. Yes he steadied the ship after the 31-4 but after 15 over were over we needed some big shots when the RRR was going up. Pandya was not able to hit any boundary which made the situation worse

Like I said - Kohli saved India almost on his own
 
Sorry to day but Hardik was badly struggling to hit boundaries. Yes he steadied the ship after the 31-4 but after 15 over were over we needed some big shots when the RRR was going up. Pandya was not able to hit any boundary which made the situation worse

Like I said - Kohli saved India almost on his own

He has weakness vs hard length which was exposed in those final overs. However, remember that one over of Nawaz was saved by Babar because of the fear of Pandya the most. Babar probably was waiting for Pandya to play a rash shot and get out vs pace which didn't happened and ultimately he had no other option but to use Nawaz in final over.

If Hardik got our early, you could use Nawaz to DK as DK is a bit unproven vs spin. His recent proficiency is down to playing pace in death overs and Kohli also is better vs pace compared to spin.
 
He has weakness vs hard length which was exposed in those final overs. However, remember that one over of Nawaz was saved by Babar because of the fear of Pandya the most. Babar probably was waiting for Pandya to play a rash shot and get out vs pace which didn't happened and ultimately he had no other option but to use Nawaz in final over.

If Hardik got our early, you could use Nawaz to DK as DK is a bit unproven vs spin. His recent proficiency is down to playing pace in death overs and Kohli also is better vs pace compared to spin.

Thats true. Fear of Pandya kept Nawaz away and forced him to bowl 20th over

But then again Pandya got out first ball to Nawaz.

My point is India got away yesterday due to Kohli's genius but we wont be so lucky every time

ps : Rishab Pant must be selected in place of Axar Patel. Pandya + DK + Axar looks weak middle order
 
Let the knockout match come
He will choke & so will Rohit sharma & kohli.

They are tigers in group stages only.

2014 final
2015 semi final
2016 semi final
2017 final
2019 semi final
2021 final wtc
 
Last edited:
Pandya is world class in t20s only.

He has a batting average of 35 with a strike rate of 115 in the odi format.

He has 62 wickets in 64 ODIs. Avg is high at 38 but that’s almost 1 wicket per match and economy of 5.5 for a 5th-6th bowler.

Show me better impact players in ODIs as well?

He is the best white ball player in the world today. His comparison is not Stokes who plays tests but more like Andre Russell type player. A mvp for most loi sides.
 
I knew this guy was going to be a revelation for India with both bat and ball. He's also a fine fielder as well.

I remember how the green tinted hype brigade were adamant that Faheem Ashraf was better than him a few year ago :))
 
He has a batting average of 35 with a strike rate of 115 in the odi format.

He has 62 wickets in 64 ODIs. Avg is high at 38 but that’s almost 1 wicket per match and economy of 5.5 for a 5th-6th bowler.

Show me better impact players in ODIs as well?

He is the best white ball player in the world today. His comparison is not Stokes who plays tests but more like Andre Russell type player. A mvp for most loi sides.

A bowling of 35 is useless as a fifth bowler in odis he's a good batter but in t20s he performs both roles.
 
Thats true. Fear of Pandya kept Nawaz away and forced him to bowl 20th over

But then again Pandya got out first ball to Nawaz.

My point is India got away yesterday due to Kohli's genius but we wont be so lucky every time

ps : Rishab Pant must be selected in place of Axar Patel. Pandya + DK + Axar looks weak middle order

Always go with six bowlers in T20s in my opinion unless the overs are reduced.
 
A bowling of 35 is useless as a fifth bowler in odis he's a good batter but in t20s he performs both roles.

This is a slightly different era where bowling averages in ODIs is quite inflated up for all rounders. Look at Stokes for example,he also averages 40 with the bowl.
 
No way DK and Ashwin would have provided the same support to Kohli. He may struggled against the pacers but credit to him for not giving up. Also don’t forget his 3 wicket spell.

The way our team performed yesterday and if you look in that context, he was the mvp of the match along with Virat. In fact I would argue almost equal. Virat also missed a simple runout and didn’t bowl if you want to nitpick that is also there. (Sarcasm by the way)

You have some real lofty expectations lol
Yeah. Credit to Hardik for providing support to Kohli at 4/31. However, him being totally dud towards the business end of the game really has no excuse. It was only Kohli who won the game for us at from that stage.

Its not about lofty expectations from him which in any case have ebbed a lot ever since he has become a total misfit in test cricket, its about excelling most when you are required most by the team.
 
Shardul is the better batsman against hard lengths i would say. But his bowling is trash.
 
This is a slightly different era where bowling averages in ODIs is quite inflated up for all rounders. Look at Stokes for example,he also averages 40 with the bowl.

Thiers no stand out all rounder in odis thier either excellent in one aspect and poor in the other.
 
Hardik has had a brilliant ODI/T20 record in 2022.

ODI:
Batting Ave: 50
SR 101
Bowling Ave- 12.36
Best 4/24

T20I
Batting Ave: 36.36
SR - 146
Bowling ave: 28.53
Best: 4/33

So overall has been pretty good for India this year. The biggest plus for India has been that Hardik has invariably given India an average of around 3 overs a game. This is big for India as having a 4th seamer who can score runs is what India was missing in LO teams. Hardik might not be worlds best all-rounder but he is pretty good at the moment for India. Also since his captaincy stint in the IPL 2022 he has become more mature with his batting as well.
 
Disappointed with his batting.

Done well with bowl though, took more wickets than Bhuvi, Shami and Ashwin.
 
You can't even blame Jadeja and Dhoni now for his poor batting now, can you? For some reasons he goes missing in World Cups. Fans did try to give him the oscar for playing the supporting role to Kohli against Pakistan. Although he is getting some cheap wickets he is yet to make his mark in this world cup with a scintillating performance with the bat. Hopefully it will come against Zimbabwe in the next game. :inti
 
You can't even blame Jadeja and Dhoni now for his poor batting now, can you? For some reasons he goes missing in World Cups. Fans did try to give him the oscar for playing the supporting role to Kohli against Pakistan. Although he is getting some cheap wickets he is yet to make his mark in this world cup with a scintillating performance with the bat. Hopefully it will come against Zimbabwe in the next game. :inti

2 crucial wickets and a pressure over :inti

That’s what allrounders do
 
He needs to prove himself more to be considered a "elite".

However, he has already proven enough to not be labelled as a "failure", my little brother. :kp :inti

With 6 wickets to his name, he is the second best Indian bowler in this tournament while Shami and Bhuvi have only 4 and 3 wickets each and Ashwin with 3. :rabada2 :inti
 
He needs to prove himself more to be considered a "elite".

However, he has already proven enough to not be labelled as a "failure", my little brother. :kp :inti

With 6 wickets to his name, he is the second best Indian bowler in this tournament while Shami and Bhuvi have only 4 and 3 wickets each and Ashwin with 3. :rabada2 :inti

He's good player but like you said he isn't elite
 
With this inning, Pandya has delivered with bat too apart from his good bowling performance. :inti
 
Pandya ends with 63 runs from 33 balls. A brutal display of power hitting where Pandya smashed 5 sixes to give India a chance in the semi-final
 
Brilliant match awareness shown by Pandya in the end which helped India get extra 10 runs. He wanted to face those 3 deliveries himself and ran out the future vice captain of Indian T20 team who was batting like a tailender. :inti
 
Pandya with this inning has now established himself as the second best all rounder to come form India in LOIs. Pant also with a short cameo wasted no time unlike DK.

Jadeja is nothing infront of him. Not even half good. Scores only when game is generally lost. :inti
 
Best LOI all rounder in the world. Clutch.

Also, this is what I’ve been saying about bowlers like Jordan, Curran and Waseem Jr. These type of bowlers are targetable because they’re so predictable. Wide Yorkers for which Pandya was in position to hit for 4, and if they were too full him having an open stance allowed him to flick for a boundary.
 
Brilliant match awareness shown by Pandya in the end which helped India get extra 10 runs. He wanted to face those 3 deliveries himself and ran out the future vice captain of Indian T20 team who was batting like a tailender. :inti

I think he'll still be livid with himself for missing out on that last ball boundary especially if this turn out to be a par total.
 
Pandya with this inning has now established himself as the second best all rounder to come form India in LOIs. Pant also with a short cameo wasted no time unlike DK.

Jadeja is nothing infront of him. Not even half good. Scores only when game is generally lost. :inti

Great Pant wasted no time. He would really get along with Asif Ali then, he also wastes no time. 2 talented non time wasters from Asia.
 
Great Pant wasted no time. He would really get along with Asif Ali then, he also wastes no time. 2 talented non time wasters from Asia.

Kaha 31 years official age wala Asif Ali kaha Rishabh Pant.. chalo agli baar bezzati mat karna..

Massive gulf between the two. Pant is closer to Gilchrist while Asif Ali is a poor man's Pandya.
 
Kaha 31 years official age wala Asif Ali kaha Rishabh Pant.. chalo agli baar bezzati mat karna..

Massive gulf between the two. Pant is closer to Gilchrist while Asif Ali is a poor man's Pandya.

But we’re talking about time saving no? So why the need to feel protective and defensive of Pant?
 
Irrespective of the all the criticism have to say he and SKY play for the team.
 
That was some hitting from him he batted very well but in the bowling Butler completely destroy his plans especially his short pitch deliveries
 
Fifty so far in the carnage against New Zealand in the 3rd ODI
 
Pandya making himself not available for WTC final

"To be honest, no. I am ethically very strong in my life. I haven’t done 10% to reach there. I am not even a part of the 1%. So me coming there and taking someone's place will ethically not go well with me.

"If I want to play Test cricket, I will go through the grind, I will earn my position and then come back. For that reason, to be very honest, I will not be available or play the World Test Championship Final, or any future test matches until I feel that I have earned my spot."
 
Pandya making himself not available for WTC final

"To be honest, no. I am ethically very strong in my life. I haven’t done 10% to reach there. I am not even a part of the 1%. So me coming there and taking someone's place will ethically not go well with me.

"If I want to play Test cricket, I will go through the grind, I will earn my position and then come back. For that reason, to be very honest, I will not be available or play the World Test Championship Final, or any future test matches until I feel that I have earned my spot."

it is the right one.he has no right to be slotted directly in the final..indian team has enough players to cover for his role.
 
Pandya making himself not available for WTC final

"To be honest, no. I am ethically very strong in my life. I haven’t done 10% to reach there. I am not even a part of the 1%. So me coming there and taking someone's place will ethically not go well with me.

"If I want to play Test cricket, I will go through the grind, I will earn my position and then come back. For that reason, to be very honest, I will not be available or play the World Test Championship Final, or any future test matches until I feel that I have earned my spot."

Those are wise words! He spoke exactly what I had in my mind about him! Good to see him being so honest! And I am very excited if he works his way out to make it to test matches! He has all the potential for that! Only his fitness is the issue... I hope someone trains him well in this regard!
 
Pandya making himself not available for WTC final

"To be honest, no. I am ethically very strong in my life. I haven’t done 10% to reach there. I am not even a part of the 1%. So me coming there and taking someone's place will ethically not go well with me.

"If I want to play Test cricket, I will go through the grind, I will earn my position and then come back. For that reason, to be very honest, I will not be available or play the World Test Championship Final, or any future test matches until I feel that I have earned my spot."

Not the first time he is doing that. He ran away before the Australia test series as well. It is pretty clear he doesn't want to play test cricket because he knows he is not good enough. Fitness is an excuse. He should be appreciated for not taking up someone else's spot in the team when he doesn't even enjoy test cricket. KL Rahul should learn from him. :inti
 
Pandya making himself not available for WTC final

"To be honest, no. I am ethically very strong in my life. I haven’t done 10% to reach there. I am not even a part of the 1%. So me coming there and taking someone's place will ethically not go well with me.

"If I want to play Test cricket, I will go through the grind, I will earn my position and then come back. For that reason, to be very honest, I will not be available or play the World Test Championship Final, or any future test matches until I feel that I have earned my spot."

Amir should learn from Pandya. This is the perfect way to say he isn't interested in playing Test cricket.
 
Pandya doesn't have the fitness to play test cricket.

His bowling quality is very good. You can see today's match, he was introduced as first change bowler. In T20s, he was the second best bowler in the World Cup from his team. Even in England vs England, the way he produced those spells of 4-25 are great. In contrast Thakur has bowled just 2 overs so that tells us how much captain is relying on whom.

Obviously, in Tests, we have better all rounder option like Sundar or Jadeja who are fully fit so no point wasting time on him here.
 
Not the first time he is doing that. He ran away before the Australia test series as well. It is pretty clear he doesn't want to play test cricket because he knows he is not good enough. Fitness is an excuse. He should be appreciated for not taking up someone else's spot in the team when he doesn't even enjoy test cricket. KL Rahul should learn from him. :inti

fitness is an issue. his back hasn't been the same. even in LOIs he shouldn't be given extended spells. when rohit pushed him with a longer spell in LOI, i saw pandya run back to the boundary after the over and get back massage on the boundary. if he bowls lot in consecutive tests, he will break down. let him play LOIs till he feels confident about the back.
 
Amir should learn from Pandya. This is the perfect way to say he isn't interested in playing Test cricket.

If he was never interested in test cricket then he would not have played in that series against England in England...! (And with an important contribution in one match) Don't get things wrong, Indian players do care about Test Cricket! Otherwise Rohit wouldn't have dared to open (in tests), Pant having more success in this format (than even IPL), Gill interested to open, Rahul knocking doors even though he is inconsistent, Kohli trying hard to restore his legacy, etc.
 
Only a keen observer understands that main weakness in Hardik Pandya's cricket is "fitness". He even had to walk away between a LOI series in UAE due to dehydration issues (could be some Asia Cup). Otherwise he always tries hard to give his best in bowling & fielding. Yes in batting sometimes he fails to time his shots, I think if he bats up the order (No.3, 4 or 5) he will make better contribution with the bat than the finisher role! Someone has to work on his weaknesses especially fitness. Shastri almost gave the confidence in other areas (like promoting him up the order, utilizing his bowling skills even in tests - giving him chance in tests!) But I think a special trainer should work on his fitness and somehow bring the best out of him!
 
If he was never interested in test cricket then he would not have played in that series against England in England...! (And with an important contribution in one match) Don't get things wrong, Indian players do care about Test Cricket! Otherwise Rohit wouldn't have dared to open (in tests), Pant having more success in this format (than even IPL), Gill interested to open, Rahul knocking doors even though he is inconsistent, Kohli trying hard to restore his legacy, etc.

As Bhaag Viru mentioned earlier this isn't Pandya's first time skipping Test matches. Pandya is playing today against Aus so fitness clearly isn't the reason why he's skipping Tests. Pandya likely wants to increase his longevity and the best way to do that is by not playing Test matches. Amir should've done exactly what Pandya is doing right now instead of being blunt about his reasons for not playing Tests.

What other players besides Pandya do with their careers is irrelevant to this discussion so there's no need to bring that up.
 
As Bhaag Viru mentioned earlier this isn't Pandya's first time skipping Test matches. Pandya is playing today against Aus so fitness clearly isn't the reason why he's skipping Tests. Pandya likely wants to increase his longevity and the best way to do that is by not playing Test matches. Amir should've done exactly what Pandya is doing right now instead of being blunt about his reasons for not playing Tests.

What other players besides Pandya do with their careers is irrelevant to this discussion so there's no need to bring that up.

I never brought other players into this, probably others were referring to that! I said that Indian Cricketers do rate test cricket highly (including Kohli & Bumrah), but the fitness sets them back, especially bowlers (even Bumrah had to miss lots of tests! And he understands that he has to play & perform in tests to be considered as a premier bowler! And that's the main reason why he is not able to reach that ATG tag - his fitness & him missing so many tests!) Pandya has the same issues, he has to "bowl" & "contribute with ball" if he wants to earn a place in test cricket, and he can't do that given his fitness (at least 15 overs in a day!), his batting alone can't give him a place in tests (heck even in LOIs - he is retaining his position only because he can contribute with ball, in fact he is more consistent with ball than bat in LOIs...)
 
Anyone who can't last 5 days of cricket is not fit to play test cricket which means he is not good enough for test cricket. He should concentrate on LOIs and don't listen to these fans. If it was upto them they would have said the same about Kieron Pollard as well. :inti
 
I never brought other players into this, probably others were referring to that! I said that Indian Cricketers do rate test cricket highly (including Kohli & Bumrah), but the fitness sets them back, especially bowlers (even Bumrah had to miss lots of tests! And he understands that he has to play & perform in tests to be considered as a premier bowler! And that's the main reason why he is not able to reach that ATG tag - his fitness & him missing so many tests!) Pandya has the same issues, he has to "bowl" & "contribute with ball" if he wants to earn a place in test cricket, and he can't do that given his fitness (at least 15 overs in a day!), his batting alone can't give him a place in tests (heck even in LOIs - he is retaining his position only because he can contribute with ball, in fact he is more consistent with ball than bat in LOIs...)

These guys are fit enough for T20s and ODIs but Test matches apparently (same with Amir). Guys like Pandya and Bumrah can easily show their loyalty for the Test format by resting during ODIs and T20s. Pandya chose to play ODIs but not Tests, as I said before Amir should've followed the same strategy as Pandya.

Also on average Pandya only bowls 8.2 overs per test innings which is less than most bowlers bowl in a ODI.
 
These guys are fit enough for T20s and ODIs but Test matches apparently (same with Amir). Guys like Pandya and Bumrah can easily show their loyalty for the Test format by resting during ODIs and T20s. Pandya chose to play ODIs but not Tests, as I said before Amir should've followed the same strategy as Pandya.

Also on average Pandya only bowls 8.2 overs per test innings which is less than most bowlers bowl in a ODI.

That is exactly the reason why he cannot play in tests. Should bowl at least 15 overs to find a place in tests, or at least he should be a completely reliable batsman. But he is not! He earns his spot in LOIs more because of his consistency & some kind of control over bowling (more than batting! You may be surprised to know this!) especially recently it is very true (he is more reliable as a bowler than batsman these days! Not that he is a deadly bowler or so! Just that he gives the balance to team!) Also spending 90+ overs in a day and bowling 15 overs is a different challenge!

And don't worry he will miss lots of ODIs too due to this reason (fitness). Don't be surprised if he becomes unavailable just before the world cup! (he missed Asia Cup in this way). And he features in T20s regularly (especially IPL) because he hardly needs to bowl 4 overs on a day and same number of overs to bat in an average + also for the demands of team-owners, box-office reasons and even he may force his body for financial prospects/security (and why not? Don't we all do the same? Look for ways to earn more money quickly?)

But that doesn't mean that he doesn't respect Test Cricket (or any real cricket), doesn't have the skills for it, doesn't show interest to play in it! (Every Indian Cricketer feels proud to play Test Cricket given a chance! Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Bumrah, Pant, even SKY... have all shown interest in Test Cricket though they all can lead their life comfortably through IPL! I have explained this to the best of my knowledge/effort, after this I will give up on this!)
 
Anyone who can't last 5 days of cricket is not fit to play test cricket which means he is not good enough for test cricket. He should concentrate on LOIs and don't listen to these fans. If it was upto them they would have said the same about Kieron Pollard as well. :inti

First of all you don't understand what these so-called "fans" are saying! (I have never branded myself as fans of Pant, Pandya, etc! Just that I understand their value in the team and the skills they possess, and I admire it) I have already agreed that he can't play test cricket mainly because of "fitness". If he was "fit" he would have definitely found place in tests more often than not! Not that our test team is filled with deadly 11 deserving players! There are enough passengers in the team!

If he could have bowled 15 overs in an innings he would have definitely earned a spot in the team both at home & overseas! India can easily play an extra spinner if he is in the team (replacing a pacer like Umesh or someone). In fact he will add lots of value to Home Test Matches, because his current style of batting suits best to "home tests". He can easily fit to No.6 batting position! He can take on the spinners & up the run rate! Also batting in home tests regularly can even help him improve his overall batting skills!

Anyhow I think what I am saying can only be understood to very selected people here...
 
First of all you don't understand what these so-called "fans" are saying! (I have never branded myself as fans of Pant, Pandya, etc! Just that I understand their value in the team and the skills they possess, and I admire it) I have already agreed that he can't play test cricket mainly because of "fitness". If he was "fit" he would have definitely found place in tests more often than not! Not that our test team is filled with deadly 11 deserving players! There are enough passengers in the team!

If he could have bowled 15 overs in an innings he would have definitely earned a spot in the team both at home & overseas! India can easily play an extra spinner if he is in the team (replacing a pacer like Umesh or someone). In fact he will add lots of value to Home Test Matches, because his current style of batting suits best to "home tests". He can easily fit to No.6 batting position! He can take on the spinners & up the run rate! Also batting in home tests regularly can even help him improve his overall batting skills!

Anyhow I think what I am saying can only be understood to very selected people here...

LMAO you just have to disagree with me for the sake of it. Why are you arguing here when you yourself accepted in your post that he is not fit to play test cricket? Lots of "ifs and he could have" in your post. Your post can be understood by you only. :inti
 
LMAO you just have to disagree with me for the sake of it. Why are you arguing here when you yourself accepted in your post that he is not fit to play test cricket? Lots of "ifs and he could have" in your post. Your post can be understood by you only. :inti

I am only pointing at the blaming by you and some others here saying that Indian Players choose IPL/LOI cricket over test cricket and become suddenly unfit for test cricket! That is the only point I am stressing here... Even you have done the same allegation in your recent post!

I repeat Pandya would have become the modern Kapil Dev if there was no IPL and heck no 365-days calendar international cricket! In Kapil's time (in his early days), cricketers (at least Indian) were playing cricket for less than half the number of days in a year and were depending on other govt. sponsored jobs for their living! If that was the case, then Pandya would have been fit enough to play those type of tests & ODIs (where players used to jog and not run between the wickets & so slow in the boundary to save runs with an old-fashioned Indian husband-wife type understanding to run a family!)

I guess your next complaint would be if Pandya cannot play tests then he should not play other formats too! Because he is not patriotic enough!
 
Excellent bowling 3/44 to halt Australia in their tracks in the 3rd ODI
 
His potential is now over.. He is what its which is a good LOI cricketer. Too old to discuss about potential anymore.
 
I am only pointing at the blaming by you and some others here saying that Indian Players choose IPL/LOI cricket over test cricket and become suddenly unfit for test cricket! That is the only point I am stressing here... Even you have done the same allegation in your recent post!

I repeat Pandya would have become the modern Kapil Dev if there was no IPL and heck no 365-days calendar international cricket! In Kapil's time (in his early days), cricketers (at least Indian) were playing cricket for less than half the number of days in a year and were depending on other govt. sponsored jobs for their living! If that was the case, then Pandya would have been fit enough to play those type of tests & ODIs (where players used to jog and not run between the wickets & so slow in the boundary to save runs with an old-fashioned Indian husband-wife type understanding to run a family!)

I guess your next complaint would be if Pandya cannot play tests then he should not play other formats too! Because he is not patriotic enough!
He is not fit to play test cricket. You have already agreed with this. I have no complaints because you are wasting your time not mine. :inti
 
Back
Top