Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

[jeeteshssaxena]

I haven't seen faheem's batting in a live match. But his avg (excluding zim) is bad and if he doesn't improve it then no point of playing him, i am sure pak has better bowlers than him.
Hassan, amir, usman are three main fast bowlers. So faheem's position in the team is more due to his batting, not bowling.

 

[BlackShadow]

Wrong again

Prove it wrong -

Pandya in Tests - (against non-minnows)

Bowling average - 28 (better than Amir's)
Batting average - 32


Pandya in ODIs - (against non-minnows)

Bowling average - 40
Batting average - 29 (SR of 115)


He qualifies to be an allrounder, no? Faheem doesn't YET. So please understand my point and let's stop dragging this for no reason.

 

[topspin]

I think you seems to be fortune teller because fahim is yet to play test match in uae but you know already he won.t be sucessed .if you are keen pakistan cricket you would have already knows how much fahim have got the chance to bat which he has not and if you want to see his batting he was good in psl with solid batting performances.

Pandya is not that much great either his stats are proof he have failed numerious time if india have other allrounder he would have been already replaced in test after 3 to 4 test failure

Again fahim have just played 3 test so cannot say much if he will sucessed in test or not

You don't have to be an expert or a "fortune teller" to know Faheem will find it very tough bowling in UAE. Even Amir Struggles bowling there. I just want to see Faheem be able to excel in with either ball or more preferably with the bat, since Pakistan is more deficient in their batting. If he can't bat that well then I don't think he will be of much use in tests since his bowling will never be at the level of Amir, Abbas, Hasan Ali or Shaheen.

As mentioned previously lets switch our attention to a proper all rounder who can actually bat and bowl. Shadab Khan is the one I follow and gains my admiration not mediocre bits and pieces cricketers.

 

[austerlitz]

The revenge of Kapil pandya.

 

[saeed5646]

Pandya in Tests - (against non-minnows)

Bowling average - 28 (better than Amir's)
Batting average - 32


Pandya in ODIs - (against non-minnows)

Bowling average - 40
Batting average - 29 (SR of 115)


He qualifies to be an allrounder, no? Faheem doesn't YET. So please understand my point and let's stop dragging this for no reason.

Pandya batting average against top side in test is 20 .i don.t know which filter is you using if you are inculding his test performances against sl and afghanistan than it is not called ""against top side""
Yeah he is better than amir but he is also better than your frontline overrates bowler like shami and ishant sharma.

Fahim have not played handy number of matches against top side so not much to discuss

 

[saeed5646]

You don't have to be an expert or a "fortune teller" to know Faheem will find it very tough bowling in UAE. Even Amir Struggles bowling there. I just want to see Faheem be able to excel in with either ball or more preferably with the bat, since Pakistan is more deficient in their batting. If he can't bat that well then I don't think he will be of much use in tests since his bowling will never be at the level of Amir, Abbas, Hasan Ali or Shaheen.

As mentioned previously lets switch our attention to a proper all rounder who can actually bat and bowl. Shadab Khan is the one I follow and gains my admiration not mediocre bits and pieces cricketers.

There must be any logic before belittle some body without testing him but you seems to fail to understand that.amir and fahim completly different bowler one depend on the conditions other hit the deck type bowler so wrong comparison.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pandya batting average against top side in test is 20 .i don.t know which filter is you using if you are inculding his test performances against sl and afghanistan than it is not called ""against top side""
Yeah he is better than amir but he is also better than your frontline overrates bowler like shami and ishant sharma.

Fahim have not played handy number of matches against top side so not much to discuss

From when did SL become a minnow? They beat your team or rsther whitewashed you in UAE. Just white washed SA.

 

[BlackShadow]

Pandya batting average against top side in test is 20 .i don.t know which filter is you using if you are inculding his test performances against sl and afghanistan than it is not called ""against top side""
Yeah he is better than amir but he is also better than your frontline overrates bowler like shami and ishant sharma.

Fahim have not played handy number of matches against top side so not much to discuss

I am excluding Afganistan, like I would exclude Zimbabwe or Ireland. A big lol at excluding Sri Lanka who whitewashed Pakistan in UAE and have recently whitewashed SA.

Pandya is a proven allrounder in both formats. Faheem is someone who averages 13 with the bat and 37 with the ball when he is not playing a second string Zimbabwe. I can't make it more simpler than that, so if you still don't see my point, so be it.

 

[saeed5646]

From when did SL become a minnow? They beat your team or rsther whitewashed you in UAE. Just white washed SA.

I am not the one who consider sl as a minnow the dude from your country don.t rate the sl so i used the filter which he used for fahim ashraf ""Against top side""

 

[BlackShadow]

I am not the one who consider sl as a minnow the dude from your country don.t rate the sl so i used the filter which he used for fahim ashraf ""Against top side""

Clearly, you are not paying attention. I mentioned stats against non-minnows, I even have that in BOLD.

 

[saeed5646]

I am excluding Afganistan, like I would exclude Zimbabwe or Ireland. A big lol at excluding Sri Lanka who whitewashed Pakistan in UAE and have recently whitewashed SA.

Pandya is a proven allrounder in both formats. Faheem is someone who averages 13 with the bat and 37 with the ball when he is not playing a second string Zimbabwe. I can't make it more simpler than that, so if you still don't see my point, so be it.

So for hardik sober pandya you did include your sl because otherwise his batting performances drop to 20 a big lol your standard seems to be very low sl is not top side if they would they have been in top 4 in odis and test
Top team include SA aus Nz and eng

 

[saeed5646]

From when did SL become a minnow? They beat your team or rsther whitewashed you in UAE. Just white washed SA.

What is sl test and odi ranking and who are they top side?

 

[saeed5646]

Clearly, you are not paying attention. I mentioned stats against non-minnows, I even have that in BOLD.

Sl is not top side i know it is hard to digest but pandya do averages in 20s in test against top side

 

[BlackShadow]

From when did SL become a minnow? They beat your team or rsther whitewashed you in UAE. Just white washed SA.

The logic is, that if we are to exclude performance against a second string Zimbabwe, then we need to filter out Sri Lanka, Pakistan, NZ, WI and Bangladesh because of logic only [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] bhai can explain.

 

[saeed5646]

The logic is, that if we are to exclude performance against a second string Zimbabwe, then we need to filter out Sri Lanka, Pakistan, NZ, WI and Bangladesh because of logic only [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] bhai can explain.

If you can use specific filter which will be misleading than other can also
If your cricket sense is that much little i can clear to you top side are
India
Sa
Nz
ENG
Aus in test
This is what are called top side

 

[hadi123]

I don't even like Pandya as he seems very arrogant, but I was saying on here and some other threads how fans need to give him a break. He's only young and has got potential. Was cringy seeing some of my fellow Pakistani fans comparing him to some gully cricketer and being so confident that Faheem is better than him when Faheem really hasn't done much at International cricket yet.

They both have great potential but that this thread is already 20 pages long and we have seen some very strong opinions considering the small sample size of international cricket is just ridiculous.

 

[someone21]

I don't even like Pandya as he seems very arrogant, but I was saying on here and some other threads how fans need to give him a break. He's only young and has got potential. Was cringy seeing some of my fellow Pakistani fans comparing him to some gully cricketer and being so confident that Faheem is better than him when Faheem really hasn't done much at International cricket yet.

Never understood that. Being stylish, having social media presence shouldn't make one arrogant.

 

[BlackShadow]

If you can use specific filter which will be misleading than other can also
If your cricket sense is that much little i can clear to you top side are
India
Sa
Nz
ENG
Aus in test
This is what are called top side

Lmao, you are really desperate, aren't you? You want Sri Lanka, Pakistan and WI to be filtered out because I filtered out Faheem's ODI performances against a second string Zimbabwe?

Ok, let's do that just to make you happy.

Pandaya in Tests, against Eng and SA (Hasn't played other sides yet) -

Batting Average - 20.63
Bowling Average - 27.45


Pandaya in ODIs - ( Against Eng, NZ, SA, Australia, Pakistan)

Batting Average - 37
Bowling average - 43

Still a proper allrounder. Unlike Faheem who averages 13 with the bat and 37 with the ball, and that's when he is yet to play stronger sides.

 

[BlackShadow]

Nothing against Faheem, but he has done nothing in international Cricket yet. The small sample we have shows he has failed against non-minnows almost every single time. Comparing him to an established alrounder like Pandaya just doesn't make sense at all. Non-Pakistanis won't judge him based on PSL performances, but on what he does in international Cricket. So apologies if I sound harsh.

 

[TeamPak95]

Pandya takes 5 and this thread is going off. "And this is why Pandya is better than Faheem, because..."

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't rate either. But Pandya is an X factor. He is a good fielder too.

 

[saeed5646]

Lmao, you are really desperate, aren't you? You want Sri Lanka, Pakistan and WI to be filtered out because I filtered out Faheem's ODI performances against a second string Zimbabwe?

Ok, let's do that just to make you happy.



Still a proper allrounder. Unlike Faheem who averages 13 with the bat and 37 with the ball, and that's when he is yet to play stronger sides.

So you are considering pakistan as a top odi side?
or
too much desperate to some how boast pandya batting average who played grand total of one match against pak which boast his averages to 65

 

[saeed5646]

Nothing against Faheem, but he has done nothing in international Cricket yet. The small sample we have shows he has failed against non-minnows almost every single time. Comparing him to an established alrounder like Pandaya just doesn't make sense at all. Non-Pakistanis won't judge him based on PSL performances, but on what he does in international Cricket. So apologies if I sound harsh.

He does have hattrick against Sl and no body hype him like next coming of sober because we have history of producing of fast bowling allrounder like razzaq which india have not since kapil dev so understand the desperation

 

[BlackShadow]

So you are considering pakistan as a top odi side?
or
too much desperate to some how boast pandya batting average who played grand total of one match against pak which boast his averages to 65

Lmao, ok, filter out Pakistan too. New average is 33.60. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=3;opposition=5;template=results;type=batting

33.60 >> 13

Now? Or should I read Faheem's average by exchanging the decimal places? Let's read it in reverse, 13 becomes --> 31 !

Still lesser.

 

[saeed5646]

Lmao, ok, filter out Pakistan too. New average is 33.60. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=3;opposition=5;template=results;type=batting

33.60 >> 13

Now? Or should I read Faheem's average by exchanging the decimal places? Let's read it in reverse, 13 becomes --> 31 !

Still lesser.

Fahim will surpass him easily let him play the same number of matches pandya have played in odis .trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

 

[BlackShadow]

He does have hattrick against Sl and no body hype him like next coming of sober because we have history of producing of fast bowling allrounder like razzaq which india have not since kapil dev so understand the desperation

- I filtered out a second string Zimbabwe, you made me filter out Sri Lanka, Pakistan, WI and Bangladesh.
- I am doing all the stats for you, and yo are giving me random history lectures on Kapil and Razzaq.

I hope you appreciate how I accommodated all your pointless requests and am still giving you reasonable replies. Nothing against Faheem, he may be good, but I am only going by his international career so far. He has done jack against sides that are not a second string Zimbabwe. A batting average of 13 does not qualify him to even be called an allrounder.

Why don't we debate about it when Faheem has actually played more matches and when he doesn't average 13 as a batsman? Sounds reasonable?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Fahim will surpass him easily let him play the same number of matches pandya have played in odis .trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

I think his batting has some potential. Pandya as a bowler has some improvement to be made. But listening him talking to Hussain he is a way more thinking bowler than Ishant sharma. I think if he doesn't get carried away with his fame we would see someone who can play the role of Irfan Pathan.

 

[saeed5646]

- I filtered out a second string Zimbabwe, you made me filter out Sri Lanka, Pakistan, WI and Bangladesh.
- I am doing all the stats for you, and yo are giving me random history lectures on Kapil and Razzaq.

I hope you appreciate how I accommodated all your pointless requests and am still giving you reasonable replies. Nothing against Faheem, he may be good, but I am only going by his international career so far. He has done jack against sides that are not a second string Zimbabwe. A batting average of 13 does not qualify him to even be called an allrounder.

Why don't we debate about it when Faheem has actually played more matches and when he doesn't average 13 as a batsman? Sounds reasonable?

Wrong you said fahim have done nothing in international cricket so Sl is international team and fahim have achieve some can only dream of.yeah we won.t debate if you guys let fahim play atleast 20 more odis and then judge him

 

[saeed5646]

I think his batting has some potential. Pandya as a bowler has some improvement to be made. But listening him talking to Hussain he is a way more thinking bowler than Ishant sharma. I think if he doesn't get carried away with his fame we would see someone who can play the role of Irfan Pathan.

What i like about kohli he do back pandya which was missing in dhoni captaincy now it depend on pandya how much longer he can put faith in kohli and perform consistently

 

[Rahul1]

Fahim will surpass him easily let him play the same number of matches pandya have played in odis .trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

Please tell the address of this shop from where you purchased your time machine. I would like to buy one for myself.

trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

The frustration is real.

 

[saeed5646]

Please tell the address of this shop from where you purchased your time machine. I would like to buy one for myself.

trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

The frustration is real.

As if pandya have set a world on fire bit i agree with you i should have set high goals for fahim replacing pandya wont be big deal

 

[Canford Cliffs]

My condolences to the usual suspects

All hiding today

Not for a minute I am saying Pandya is anything special...which is he ofcourse not. But the hate he gets here is unbelievable.

 

[BlackShadow]

Wrong you said fahim have done nothing in international cricket so Sl is international team and fahim have achieve some can only dream of.yeah we won.t debate if you guys let fahim play atleast 20 more odis and then judge him

Finally !

Let's postpone our debate for when Fahim doesn't average 13 as a batsman and is actually an allrounder. Good luck.

 

[TeamPak95]

[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] Asia Cup will be fun, potentially 3 Pakistan vs India encounters and 3 Pandya vs Faheem encounters

 

[Usman Chadda]

All hiding today

Not for a minute I am saying Pandya is anything special...which is he ofcourse not. But the hate he gets here is unbelievable.

We have had enough days to bash Hardik Pandya in the past few months or so. It got so bad, I actually started to feel sorry for him. We will obviously have more of these days.

On the off chance Pandya comes off, some of you deserve to have a day to celebrate

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] Asia Cup will be fun, potentially 3 Pakistan vs India encounters and 3 Pandya vs Faheem encounters

It is, sad we don't play often all our "vs" threads would have a result.

 

[ads101]

Fahim will surpass him easily let him play the same number of matches pandya have played in odis .trust me i have never seen such a low standard for allrounder you guys have set with pandya.

This is how I feel for Faheem. I've never seen us think that a guy batting at 8, and bowls the number of overs to a part timer (never bowls full quota) is acceptable.

I've also never seen us be content with a guy being in our team whom as a result has such little impact in the side.

 

[aloo paratha]

Great spell from Pandya today, but needs to improve in batting, which is more important for India at the moment.

Still want to see more of Faheem in tests before we can make a judgement, Faheem has only played 3 tests so far.

 

[Finisher]

Middle order?

Yes, In ODI cricket he has come up at 4

 

[JaDed]

The advantage or disadvantage for Hardik is he would be ridiculed or judged based on history of Indian bowling all rounders which arent that good, whereas Pakistan has a good history of bowling all rounders.

As arm chair critics we could never the effort put in by Hardik to over come the history, but hopefully the more positive results he gets the better appreciation he would.

 

[Syed1]

It is, sad we don't play often all our "vs" threads would have a result.

There was a time in early 2000s when Pak and India were playing very often and each individual match lost its sheen.

Due to the rarity of Ind-Pak matches now, each match has such high stakes and is a spectacle not to be missed.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Good performance by Pandya. About time he does something on the field instead of posting emo pics on Instagram.

 

[Napa]

We have had enough days to bash Hardik Pandya in the past few months or so. It got so bad, I actually started to feel sorry for him. We will obviously have more of these days.

On the off chance Pandya comes off, some of you deserve to have a day to celebrate

I have no idea why you think Pandya has given his critics an opportunity to bash him the past few months. His performance on the field has been no worse than most of his teammates. The Indian team as a whole rather than just Pandya has not played well in SA and now in England.

 

[giri26]

Brilliant spell by Panday. It was a joy to watch him bowl yesterday. I hope he kicks on after this at least with the ball.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Pandya is not very good.

But neither is Stokes, Woakes or any other fast bowling all rounder currently.

Faheem hasn't even played enough to warrant a comparison.

 

[Srtfan]

I feel pandya batting average will increase when he play more home series.he Will our third fast bowler in India and 4 th outside asia

 

[Hasan123]

Our fans are becoming an embarrassment when it comes to judging Indian players. There emotion clouds their judgement.

Pandya is a very talented player who will have a good career.

 

[ManFan]

Our fans are becoming an embarrassment when it comes to judging Indian players. There emotion clouds their judgement.

Pandya is a very talented player who will have a good career.

He was being called rubbish by his Indian supporters as well.

Not to mention experts like Michael Holding stating that his bowling was not good enough.

Now that he has had a great Test match it shows that he has great potential with the bat and is capable with the ball.

But it does not excuse his previous poor performances either.

 

[JaDed]

There was a time in early 2000s when Pak and India were playing very often and each individual match lost its sheen.

Due to the rarity of Ind-Pak matches now, each match has such high stakes and is a spectacle not to be missed.

Yes we shouldn't get greedy, 90s was good in a way, there were various ODIs during those years and one good series.

 

[Mamoon]

No bhangra in this thread today?

 

[Abdullah719]

No bhangra in this thread today?

We were waiting for you

 

[Mp812]

Pandya is good asset who will deliver but not regularly . He may or may not last long in test match cricket. But in odi and t20 he is must in team as he will come good in long term. Infact his brother as spin allrounder and Hardik as seam all rounder is an experiment that must be tried. Both are freakish batters in shorter formats who can score 40 runs of 20 balls type of innings and that's decent contribution.
Both can deliver 12 or 15 decent overs in combination giving away 50 to 60 between them and grab on an average 3 wickets between them per game which is acceptable

 

[Usman Chadda]

No bhangra in this thread today?

Cringeworthy )

The sannaata before this once in a blue moon performance has put a dampener in trolling Indian fans for me personally. Very disappointing.

 

[BlackShadow]

Lmao, why is this thread still going? Pandya averages 28 with the ball and 33 with the bat.

In comparison, Fahim averages 37 with the ball and 13 with the bat when not playing a second string Zimbabwe. How is this even a comparison?

 

[BlackShadow]

Cringeworthy )

The sannaata before this once in a blue moon performance has put a dampener in trolling Indian fans for me personally. Very disappointing.

Once in a blue moon guy has a better Test bowling average than Amir and Hasan Ali. Not just that, he has a higher Test batting average than Babar Azam.

Tell us about Fahim.

 

[ManFan]

Once in a blue moon guy has a better Test bowling average than Amir and Hasan Ali. Not just that, he has a higher Test batting average than Babar Azam.

Tell us about Fahim.

R.I.P Logic.

Wasim Akram has a higher Test score than Sachin Tendulkar while Stuart Binny has better ODI bowling figures than Donald or Akram.

 

[aloo paratha]

After his performance in this test Pandya is ahead in my eyes, but still both careers are young, a lot can change.

 

[Sin Nombre]

R.I.P Logic.

Wasim Akram has a higher Test score than Sachin Tendulkar while Stuart Binny has better ODI bowling figures than Donald or Akram.

Average =/= one off performance.

sigh.

 

[BlackShadow]

R.I.P Logic.

Wasim Akram has a higher Test score than Sachin Tendulkar while Stuart Binny has better ODI bowling figures than Donald or Akram.

You don't know what average means.

RIP logic indeed.

 

[ManFan]

You don't know what average means.

RIP logic indeed.

And you just proved my point further.

Due to this Test, Pandya's bowling and batting averages have been inflated.

If we are going to judge a player in comparison to another, especially while one is playing and the other is not, than not only is it not genuine but also limited to constant fluctuation.

If Pandya has a poor game next Test, will you call him a poor bowler or batsman if the averages for bat go down and ball go up?

 

[BlackShadow]

And you just proved my point further.

Due to this Test, Pandya's bowling and batting averages have been inflated.

If we are going to judge a player in comparison to another, especially while one is playing and the other is not, than not only is it not genuine but also limited to constant fluctuation.

If Pandya has a poor game next Test, will you call him a poor bowler or batsman if the averages for bat go down and ball go up?

What else do you expect when the comparison is between two young careers? Of course there are going to be greater fluctuations given the number of matches. Pandya, Babar, Hasan, are all very young in their Test careers, and of course these fluctuations will be the deciding factor!

If that sounds unfair, then maybe the comparison shouldn't exist in the first place, specially when it comes to Fahim because he has done zilch in his international career so far.

 

[Rahul1]

And you just proved my point further.

Due to this Test, Pandya's bowling and batting averages have been inflated.

If we are going to judge a player in comparison to another, especially while one is playing and the other is not, than not only is it not genuine but also limited to constant fluctuation.

If Pandya has a poor game next Test, will you call him a poor bowler or batsman if the averages for bat go down and ball go up?

Breaking news. If a player performs well in a match, his averages will improve.

 

[ManFan]

Breaking news. If a player performs well in a match, his averages will improve.

I know your comment is sarcastic but the whole discussion lies in it.

But unfortunately, not everyone will look at it from a rational perspective.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

If that sounds unfair, then maybe the comparison shouldn't exist in the first place, specially when it comes to Fahim because he has done zilch in his international career so far.

Maybe the Pakistanis see something in Faheem that we haven't seen in international cricket yet? They'd know more about him than Indians do.

 

[BlackShadow]

I know your comment is sarcastic but the whole discussion lies in it.

But unfortunately, not everyone will look at it from a rational perspective.

When we are talking Babar, Hasan Ali, Pandya or Fahim, every good or bad performance will be a fluctuation.

Or do you disagree?

 

[ManFan]

What else do you expect when the comparison is between two young careers? Of course there are going to be greater fluctuations given the number of matches. Pandya, Babar, Hasan, are all very young in their Test careers, and of course these fluctuations will be the deciding factor!

If that sounds unfair, then maybe the comparison shouldn't exist in the first place, specially when it comes to Fahim because he has done zilch in his international career so far.

That’s where you are wrong; “These flunctuations will be the deciding factor”.

If both players are compared on a match-by-match basis than this thread will be twenty pages.

That’s not an adequate measuring hall. What could be considered is how each did with the ball and bat at the end of a specific tour or timeline. For example, Sam Curran took a four-wicket-haul in his Second Test and scored a match-winning fifty.

Would it be fair to label him as a better all-rounder than both Faheem and Pandya based on the performance of on one match or using the timeline of their Second Test? (For arguements sake)

The answer is no because one match is too small a sample to judge players with minimal experience.

To give you a historical example, it would be like comparing Azhar Mahmood to Lance Klusner in the year 1998. (Surprisingly, twenty years ago). Both had extraordinary performances on debut; Klusner with an eight-fer’ in India and Mahmood with a century against Pollock, Donald, and Fannie de Villers.

However, time has not been kind to both and the comparisons with ATG all-rounders like Imran or Botham are left in the dust.

So, in conclusion, wait a few weeks if not a few months (the longer the better) to make a decisive statement on who is better. These one-off performances (Faheem in Ireland, hat-trick, five-fer’ against ZIM and Pandya in AUS, CT Final, SL and now ENG) are too far in between.

 

[BlackShadow]

However, time has not been kind to both and the comparisons with ATG all-rounders like Imran or Botham are left in the dust.

So, in conclusion, wait a few weeks if not a few months (the longer the better) to make a decisive statement on who is better. These one-off performances (Faheem in Ireland, hat-trick, five-fer’ against ZIM and Pandya in AUS, CT Final, SL and now ENG) are too far in between.

This is where the bias shows. Your one-off performance criteria for Fahim includes -

- 83 runs against Ireland.
- five-fer against a second string Zimbabwe.
- A t20 hatrick against Sri Lanka in the 19th over.

You are comparing all that to -

- Pandya's run a ball 93 in SA Test (on a greentop against Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander)
- 108 (in 96 balls) in Sri Lanka Tests.
- 5 wickets haul and a 50 in the same Test, in England.
- CT final performance against Pakistan.
- Match winning 83 of 66 balls against Australia
- Match winning 78 of 72 balls against Australia
- 67 of 33 balls in England T20
- 56 of 46 against England


Now come on. I am not even including many 50s from Pandya because they came against weaker sides. Fahim has achieved NOTHING in his international career so far, and the one-off performances you mention are a joke.

 

[BlackShadow]

^^ Btw, may of those batting performances had Pandya chipping in with 2 or 3 wickets as well, making it the complete all-round performance. And I am yet to mention the legendary final over of the T20 WC or his fielding that changes the match on it's head.

Now we are comparing him to a kid whose only claim to fame is 83 runs against Ireland, a 5'fer against second string Zimbabwe and a T20 hatrick when the batsmen were slogging? Really?

 

[ManFan]

This is where the bias shows. Your one-off performance criteria for Fahim includes -

- 83 runs against Ireland.
- five-fer against a second string Zimbabwe.
- A t20 hatrick against Sri Lanka in the 19th over.

You are comparing all that to -

- Pandya's run a ball 93 in SA Test (on a greentop against Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander)
- 108 (in 96 balls) in Sri Lanka Tests.
- 5 wickets haul and a 50 in the same Test, in England.
- CT final performance against Pakistan.
- Match winning 83 of 66 balls against Australia
- Match winning 78 of 72 balls against Australia
- 67 of 33 balls in England T20
- 56 of 46 against England


Now come on. I am not even including many 50s from Pandya because they came against weaker sides. Fahim has achieved NOTHING in his international career so far, and the one-off performances you mention are a joke.

A joke?

So sporadic one-off performances by Pandya are the indicators of astonishing potential but by Faheem are a joke?

Who’s showing the bias now?

Pandya has had the opportunity of playing against non-minnows while Faheem has had the opportunity of playing against minnows during their short careers so far. However, Pandya debuted in late 2016 while Faheem debuted in mid 2017. So, he has had more chances to showcase his talent yet has not achieved a hat-trick (against SL whom he also played plenty against) or a five-fer’ in ODI’s.

With the playing ground level now since Faheem has now seven Tests to score a Test hundred and five-for to match Pandya’s record.

Right now:

Bowling: Faheem > Pandya

Batting: Faheem < Pandya

Tag me in this thread again after the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

 

[ManFan]

^^ Btw, may of those batting performances had Pandya chipping in with 2 or 3 wickets as well, making it the complete all-round performance. And I am yet to mention the legendary final over of the T20 WC or his fielding that changes the match on it's head.

Now we are comparing him to a kid whose only claim to fame is 83 runs against Ireland, a 5'fer against second string Zimbabwe and a T20 hatrick when the batsmen were slogging? Really?

If Faheem only achieved a hat-trick because “batsmen were slogging”, how the hell do you think Pandya achieved that “legendary over”? )

 

[BlackShadow]

A joke?

So sporadic one-off performances by Pandya are the indicators of astonishing potential but by Faheem are a joke?

Who’s showing the bias now?

Pandya has had the opportunity of playing against non-minnows while Faheem has had the opportunity of playing against minnows during their short careers so far. However, Pandya debuted in late 2016 while Faheem debuted in mid 2017. So, he has had more chances to showcase his talent yet has not achieved a hat-trick (against SL whom he also played plenty against) or a five-fer’ in ODI’s.

With the playing ground level now since Faheem has now seven Tests to score a Test hundred and five-for to match Pandya’s record.

Right now:

Bowling: Faheem > Pandya

Batting: Faheem < Pandya

Tag me in this thread again after the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Unbelievable, are you even serious?

In Tests all Faheem has done is scored 83 against Ireland. In ODIs, all he has got is a 5fer against second string Zimbabwe. Apart from that, his international career is ZERO.

You have a list of all the performances by Pandya in Tests and ODIs. How are you even comparing the two?

 

[BlackShadow]

A joke?

So sporadic one-off performances by Pandya are the indicators of astonishing potential but by Faheem are a joke?

Who’s showing the bias now?

Pandya has had the opportunity of playing against non-minnows while Faheem has had the opportunity of playing against minnows during their short careers so far. However, Pandya debuted in late 2016 while Faheem debuted in mid 2017. So, he has had more chances to showcase his talent yet has not achieved a hat-trick (against SL whom he also played plenty against) or a five-fer’ in ODI’s.

With the playing ground level now since Faheem has now seven Tests to score a Test hundred and five-for to match Pandya’s record.

Right now:

Bowling: Faheem > Pandya

Batting: Faheem < Pandya

Tag me in this thread again after the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

I'll make it simpler. Correct me where I am wrong -

Highlight of Fahim's Test career : 83 runs against Ireland
Highlight of Fahim's ODI career : 5fer against a second string Zimbabwe.

Other than that, a BIG ZERO. Compare it to this -

- Pandya's run a ball 93 in SA Test (on a greentop against Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander)
- 108 (in 96 balls) in Sri Lanka Tests.
- 5 wickets haul and a 50 in the same Test, in England.
- CT final performance against Pakistan.
- Match winning 83 of 66 balls against Australia
- Match winning 78 of 72 balls against Australia
- 67 of 33 balls in England T20
- 56 of 46 against England

Do you really see a comparison?

And stop pretending like it is only minnows Fahim has played. He has 5 ODIs against NZ, 3 against Sri Lanka, 2 Tests against England, he failed every single time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Forget about stats and Pandya. I am not sure how Pak fans from Razzaq land rates this guy Faheem. You sure need to set a little higher standard guys. His List A, T20 is not exactly flattering. Hope Pakistan treats him as a bowler who can bat a bit rather an "all rounder". Ashwin got 4 centuries and has done well in tough conditions against tough bowling like specialist batsman. Still i don't rate him as an all rounder.

 

[BlackShadow]

[MENTION=143937]ManFan[/MENTION] , a simple question to you brother. Tell me your 3 greatest performances of Faheem's career, and that will settle the debate for me.

 

[ManFan]

I'll make it simpler. Correct me where I am wrong -

Highlight of Fahim's Test career : 83 runs against Ireland
Highlight of Fahim's ODI career : 5fer against a second string Zimbabwe.

Other than that, a BIG ZERO. Compare it to this -



Do you really see a comparison?

And stop pretending like it is only minnows Fahim has played. He has 5 ODIs against NZ, 3 against Sri Lanka, 2 Tests against England, he failed every single time.

Let’s look a little closer:

He failed against NZ with bat and ball (40 a piece while Hasan averaged 33) but Pandya hasn’t toured there so can not make a comparison.

Here’s what I can compare:

3 ODI’s against SL:

Pandya: 10 and 1-39, 8 and 1-39, and DNB and 2-49.

In England in his first three innings (same amount as Faheem):

22, 31 and 0-46 and 11 and 3-66.

Now for Faheem’s turn:

15 and 2-37, DNB and 0-10, and 5* and 0-12.

In England:

37 and 1-28 and 0-31, 0 and 3 and 3-60.

Ready?

Here are the averages:

SL:

Bat: 9 (P) and 20 (F).
Ball: 31.8 (P) and 29.5 (F).

ENG:

Bat: 21.3 (P) and 13.3 (F).
Ball: 37.3 (P) and 29.8 (F).

So all in all, Pandya has outperformed Faheem only in batting in England in a head-to-head record.

 

[ManFan]

[MENTION=143937]ManFan[/MENTION] , a simple question to you brother. Tell me your 3 greatest performances of Faheem's career, and that will settle the debate for me.

1). Hat-trick in T20 against SL in his third match.
2). Match-winning fifty on Test debut against Ireland.
3). Five-wicket-haul against Zimbabwe in ODI’s.

Those are all minnows, I admit that but are still great achievements for someone in their first year in international cricket.

 

[BlackShadow]

Let’s look a little closer:

He failed against NZ with bat and ball (40 a piece while Hasan averaged 33) but Pandya hasn’t toured there so can not make a comparison.

Here’s what I can compare:

3 ODI’s against SL:

Pandya: 10 and 1-39, 8 and 1-39, and DNB and 2-49.

In England in his first three innings (same amount as Faheem):

22, 31 and 0-46 and 11 and 3-66.

Now for Faheem’s turn:

15 and 2-37, DNB and 0-10, and 5* and 0-12.

In England:

37 and 1-28 and 0-31, 0 and 3 and 3-60.

Ready?

Here are the averages:

SL:

Bat: 9 (P) and 20 (F).
Ball: 31.8 (P) and 29.5 (F).

ENG:

Bat: 21.3 (P) and 13.3 (F).
Ball: 37.3 (P) and 29.8 (F).

So all in all, Pandya has outperformed Faheem only in batting in England in a head-to-head record.

In England, Pandya's bowling average is 17.5, Faheem's is 30.
In England, Pandya's batting is average is 32, Faheem's is 13.

What head to head record are you talking about?

 

[ManFan]

In England, Pandya's bowling average is 17.5, Faheem's is 30.
In England, Pandya's batting is average is 32, Faheem's is 13.

What head to head record are you talking about?

I’m guessing you missed the part where I specifically stated that it was the first three innings comparison becuse that is what Faheem played.

It would be unfair to take anything into account after the first innings of the Second Test because that is more than Faheem played in the same country.

 

[TeamPak95]

Moral of the story: let's see how Faheem fares in Asia Cup, vs Aus, NZ, and SA; only then can a judgement be made between the two.

Pandya has his performances vs top sides, now let's see if Faheem can match that. So for now, this thread is a loading screen.

 

[AMSS]

Both of them have had a short run so far in international cricket but Pandya's highlights reel is FAR brighter than faheem's. What is so complicated about it?