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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Lol it was never a comparison

Bowling there’s still some argument
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though I never compared Faheem with Pandya but I think this comparison has failed. Pandya in my opinion is a useless bowler, great fielder and inconsistent batsman who will have his days like today after getting dropped on a slow pitch. But he can beat Faheem on his fielding alone.

Either this thread should be closed or should be renamed to Pandya vs Holder. :inti
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There is no comparison at all btw Pandya and Fahim
 
Faheem never looked more than an average cricketer from the start! Lol who made this thread??
 
I don't think Faheem's bowling is even really better than Pandya. Both are poor with the ball.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though I never compared Faheem with Pandya but I think this comparison has failed. Pandya in my opinion is a useless bowler, great fielder and inconsistent batsman who will have his days like today after getting dropped on a slow pitch. But he can beat Faheem on his fielding alone.

Either this thread should be closed or should be renamed to Pandya vs Holder. :inti
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Do you prefer Vijay Shankar to Pandya?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Even though I never compared Faheem with Pandya but I think this comparison has failed. Pandya in my opinion is a useless bowler, great fielder and inconsistent batsman who will have his days like today after getting dropped on a slow pitch. But he can beat Faheem on his fielding alone.

Either this thread should be closed or should be renamed to Pandya vs Holder. :inti
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Fantastic suggestion, it should be Stokes vs Pandya vs Holder.
 
This thread should be closed until Faheem does something noteworthy in international arena.
 
"Pandya is no match for Faheem", we were told.

"suspicious on express bowling"

Anyone who saw clips of him bat in this season's IPL, would have come to the conclusion that his hitting game against the pacers has bolstered significantly.

Cummins is one of the best bowlers in the world, but Pandya somehow made smashed him with ease.

Time for Pakistan fans to accept he would walk into Pakistan's team without any sweat, who would also stand out as captaincy material for the side.
 
hadi123 said:
I'm so sorry for ever coparing the two.
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You don’t have to be. You have proved yourself as an unbiased supporter who doesn’t hesitate in calling a spade a spade. However, we all make errors of judgement.

The only people who need to be ashamed and sorry are the ones who always blindly back Pakistani players whenever they are compared to their Indian counterparts.

Most of them are too humiliated to show their faces now.
 
hadi123 said:
I'm so sorry for ever coparing the two.
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You shouldnt be. There are Umar Akmal vs Kohli, Shaheen Shah vs Khaleel Ahmed and Babar Azam vs KL Rahul kind of threads as well, its very difficult to judge anyone from the very start as future progress is dependent upon number of factors. Also there are lots of ups and downs in the careers of players so one can never be really sure about the future of any player.

Even number of international cricket experts have gone wrong with number of their predictions. I remember Harsha Bhogle once saying in Ind vs Pak 2012 series that Junaid Khan will probably end up with 300 + ODI as well as test wickets. His comments were fair based upon what he saw at that point of time however, he didnt know injuries and other such issues Junaid was gonna face in future.
 
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Kriketer said:
Faheem never looked more than an average cricketer from the start! Lol who made this thread??
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Yea really. When I see threads like these or over the years involving Ahmed Shehzad I say to myself, ‘either most PPers are blind or you have a knack for spotting talent’
 
Mamoon said:
Run-of-the-mill type cricketers like Fahim come and go. I think he perfectly encapsulates the mediocrity that Pakistan cricket has become today.

On the other hand, Pandya is a good example of the big leap that Indian cricket has taken since the turn of the millennium - aggressive, supremely fit athlete, and has the confidence and the mental strength to not be overawed by any occasion and deliver against any opposition.

It will be very disappointing for India if he does not fulfill his potential, but on the brighter side, young Indian cricketers not fulfilling their potential is increasingly become a rarity, which is a consequence of the great education and exposure that the young Indian cricketers have today.
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Great post

I don’t think pandya will become an odi great but the Fahim comparison was never ob
 
Slog said:
No comparison.

Pandya is far ahead in terms of batting, fitness and fielding. In bowling he is also ahead but gap is slightly less (in ODIs bowling is a toss up atm)
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Maybe pandya has exceeded in bowling too?

I think Faheem can sometimes mix it up to be economical that’s it
 
Roi on pandya is improving y.o.y.(year.on.year). It took 2.5 years for India and pandya some slaps to correct himself and be of substance to Indian team. Now India should support Shankar on selective/seaming wickets.
 
Pandya has a designated role in the Indian side. That is all he has to do. It is not going to be the role of Angelo Matthews or Stokes or Holder. His role is to provide fiery finish. Will he be inconsistent? Yes. But when he clicks he will be very dangerous.
 
Pandya need to concentrate on bowling. Though he bowled well with bouncers but need to take wickets.
 
I will say again, Pandya as a bowler also improved since he came into the game. He will improve with time.
 
No comparison in batting. Faheem is worse than a tail ender. Hasan ali is better than him.
 
Pandya has a role in the team's balance! Without him India will be forced to play 3rd seamer on these pitches (+ miss the batting qualities of Pandya even if he is inconsistent + miss his fielding) OR/AND include an additional batsman OR/AND drop the 2nd spinner & include a lesser spinner like Jadeja (again to balance the batting & the lineup!) Pandya solves all these problems for India to some extent... We would have wished to have Sobers or Russel, but unfortunately we don't! So what should we do, stop playing cricket until we find one?

You cannot expect him to deliver like Sobers, Kallis, Imran, Kapil, Botham or even Stokes, Russel, etc, of current teams (WI don't have a player like Kohli or even Rohit, so they should be thankful that they at least have Russel to win them some matches! Similarly England don't have a spinner like Chahal...)

This is how teams match up and every team will have some loopholes to exploit, cricket (or any team game) is also a game of handling the strengths & weaknesses! It is not like an individual race where one player tries to individually compete with the rest and comes out victorious! That's why these individual comparison threads (there are so many) on PP don't make any kind of sense! People here are so obsessed with individual performances that they often forget about team's performances!

For instance if Sachin had played for Australian team I am sure he would have added 20% more runs to his individual record (because he had easy Indian bowlers to handle + not required to handle Australian bowlers) + another 10 to 20% because of the confidence he gains from the ease of his workload! But Sachin's greatness is measured because of how he handled his situation (played most part in a weak team) and he is in fact remembered (like Sharjah) for the way he handled the tough Aussie bowlers! Another debate would be if Sachin played for Aussie team then he would not have scored so many runs because it would be shared by other batters in the team! So many parameters & combinations would come into equation!

So please look cricket as team game! If Pandya is in the Indian team, it is because he is needed for the team! If Rahul fails to stay in the team in future, it means there are better players... If Babar is mainstay player for Pakistan, then Pakistan should utilize him that way & win more matches (If Pakistan loses more matches, then Babar's individual records don't make any sense, just like even the great Sachin was criticized because India were losing many matches until we found the right balance almost at the fag end of his career. It is about how an individual fits in the team)! If Faheem is not bringing the balance to Pakistan team like Pandya, then look for someone else...
 
RamLakhan said:
Pandya has a role in the team's balance! Without him India will be forced to play 3rd seamer on these pitches (+ miss the batting qualities of Pandya even if he is inconsistent + miss his fielding) OR/AND include an additional batsman OR/AND drop the 2nd spinner & include a lesser spinner like Jadeja (again to balance the batting & the lineup!) Pandya solves all these problems for India to some extent... We would have wished to have Sobers or Russel, but unfortunately we don't! So what should we do, stop playing cricket until we find one?

You cannot expect him to deliver like Sobers, Kallis, Imran, Kapil, Botham or even Stokes, Russel, etc, of current teams (WI don't have a player like Kohli or even Rohit, so they should be thankful that they at least have Russel to win them some matches! Similarly England don't have a spinner like Chahal...)

This is how teams match up and every team will have some loopholes to exploit, cricket (or any team game) is also a game of handling the strengths & weaknesses! It is not like an individual race where one player tries to individually compete with the rest and comes out victorious! That's why these individual comparison threads (there are so many) on PP don't make any kind of sense! People here are so obsessed with individual performances that they often forget about team's performances!

For instance if Sachin had played for Australian team I am sure he would have added 20% more runs to his individual record (because he had easy Indian bowlers to handle + not required to handle Australian bowlers) + another 10 to 20% because of the confidence he gains from the ease of his workload! But Sachin's greatness is measured because of how he handled his situation (played most part in a weak team) and he is in fact remembered (like Sharjah) for the way he handled the tough Aussie bowlers! Another debate would be if Sachin played for Aussie team then he would not have scored so many runs because it would be shared by other batters in the team! So many parameters & combinations would come into equation!

So please look cricket as team game! If Pandya is in the Indian team, it is because he is needed for the team! If Rahul fails to stay in the team in future, it means there are better players... If Babar is mainstay player for Pakistan, then Pakistan should utilize him that way & win more matches (If Pakistan loses more matches, then Babar's individual records don't make any sense, just like even the great Sachin was criticized because India were losing many matches until we found the right balance almost at the fag end of his career. It is about how an individual fits in the team)! If Faheem is not bringing the balance to Pakistan team like Pandya, then look for someone else...
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Excellent Post!.
 
Could have done better with the bat today but given the way he plays and what he was sent in for, u guess it’s ok he had to make quick runs.

Bowled much better. Wickets are always welcome
 
Pandya and heck even Vijay Shankar are not only better allrounders , they can each make it ,ahead of Hasan Ali, to Pakistan team as new ball bowlers. That is the state of Pakistani bowling these days.
 
Looking at the other top allrounder and hardik sober pandya Every one have comfortably outperformed him
Shakib have 2 man of the match
Stokes have one man of the match with exceptional effort yesterday
Holder have few very good outing
Santner have finished the game for nz in tied game
My ranking from the worldcup
Shakib
Stokes
Holder
Santner
Pandya
 
Getting smash from Afghanistan batsmen 😂😂.

You cannot ride on team success my friend .time to man up your team needed you the most
 
saeed5646 said:
Getting smash from Afghanistan batsmen 😂😂.

You cannot ride on team success my friend .time to man up your team needed you the most
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If you want have a go at Pandya, bump a relevant thread. What is the point of beating this dead horse and forcing people to state obvious, i.e. he is far better than Faheem?

Faheem is a nothing cricketer who is history like Anwar, Bhatti etc., and so is this thread.
 
Mamoon said:
If you want have a go at Pandya, bump a relevant thread. What is the point of beating this dead horse and forcing people to state obvious, i.e. he is far better than Faheem?

Faheem is a nothing cricketer who is history like Anwar, Bhatti etc., and so is this thread.
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So is Pandyas comparisons with Ben Stokes.
Pandya is a spin bashing hack and a major weak link in India's bowling attack
 
Mamoon said:
If you want have a go at Pandya, bump a relevant thread. What is the point of beating this dead horse and forcing people to state obvious, i.e. he is far better than Faheem?

Faheem is a nothing cricketer who is history like Anwar, Bhatti etc., and so is this thread.
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Even hasan ali is better allrounder than fahim .what is the point of changing topic?

There is no thread for pandya .Don.t be that blind read above comments pandya brigade was jumping up and down just few days ago
 
saeed5646 said:
Looking at the other top allrounder and hardik sober pandya Every one have comfortably outperformed him
Shakib have 2 man of the match
Stokes have one man of the match with exceptional effort yesterday
Holder have few very good outing
Santner have finished the game for nz in tied game
My ranking from the worldcup
Shakib
Stokes
Holder
Santner
Pandya
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Pandaya should not be in list of all rounders he is just a poor man Asif Ali. I think he only has 4 50s in 43 innings.
 
saeed5646 said:
Even hasan ali is better allrounder than fahim .what is the point of changing topic?

There is no thread for pandya. Don.t be that blind read above comments pandya brigade was jumping up and down just few days ago
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Let me help you.


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...why-Hardik-Pandya-isn-t-living-up-to-the-hype

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tance-of-Hardik-Pandya-to-the-Indian-ODI-team

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-golden-boy-in-this-team-quot-Michael-Holding

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ntial-to-be-the-best-all-rounder-in-the-world

These are the relevant threads to bash Pandya, not this one where he is compared to Faheem.
 
Mamoon said:
Let me help you.


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...why-Hardik-Pandya-isn-t-living-up-to-the-hype

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tance-of-Hardik-Pandya-to-the-Indian-ODI-team

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-golden-boy-in-this-team-quot-Michael-Holding

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ntial-to-be-the-best-all-rounder-in-the-world

These are the relevant threads to bash Pandya, not this one where he is compared to Faheem.
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Does that impelled to me only?since i have criticize golden boy or you deliberately ignoring the above comments when there was no need to bump this thread
 
Was wondering why Kohli brought in Pandya after poor 2 overs. Looks like he wanted Pandya to bowl the short ball and that worked.

Not bad going Pandya.
 
Finisher said:
There is no thread but I'm sure u have been the one saying Pandya is in the league of Stokes/Shakib
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Ability wise he can match Stokes. He is the most exciting all-rounder since, but of course he needs to work very hard.
 
Very concerning that he wasn't able to adapt today. He was targeting the square boundaries and his usual long on/off areas. But, as soon as Morgan put men at the boundary and the remaining ones inside the circle behind square, he struggled. He kept finding the fielder. He's been in the team for years now, he needs to start maturing and show his cricket smarts.
 
They were bowling the right line, he was trying to drag balls from well outside off stump to mid wicket. I think he lacks off side game, he did struck a couple of boundaries there but overall struggled. He should've simply backed away and opened up the off side, targeting short 3rd man precisely. He didnt tried the paddle scoop, he just didnt had any answer and kept doing the same mistake over and over again.

Clearly, he needs to call Razzler :moyo2
 
MartyMsd said:
Very concerning that he wasn't able to adapt today. He was targeting the square boundaries and his usual long on/off areas. But, as soon as Morgan put men at the boundary and the remaining ones inside the circle behind square, he struggled. He kept finding the fielder. He's been in the team for years now, he needs to start maturing and show his cricket smarts.
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farazaidi said:
They were bowling the right line, he was trying to drag balls from well outside off stump to mid wicket. I think he lacks off side game, he did struck a couple of boundaries there but overall struggled. He should've simply backed away and opened up the off side, targeting short 3rd man precisely. He didnt tried the paddle scoop, he just didnt had any answer and kept doing the same mistake over and over again.

Clearly, he needs to call Razzler :moyo2
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Scored 45 @ S/R 136 and was the second most economical bowler in the team after Bumrah. Didn't take wickets though like Shami did.

A S/R of 136 corresponds to a 400+ total in a 50 over game. I am sure he will come up with a plan to counter England's plan to counter him and score even faster, but it may only be ready after this tournament is over.
 
farazaidi said:
They were bowling the right line, he was trying to drag balls from well outside off stump to mid wicket. I think he lacks off side game, he did struck a couple of boundaries there but overall struggled. He should've simply backed away and opened up the off side, targeting short 3rd man precisely. He didnt tried the paddle scoop, he just didnt had any answer and kept doing the same mistake over and over again.

Clearly, he needs to call Razzler :moyo2
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He has offside game. This tennis ball cricket stance allows him to slog better. This is his slogging stance. He has a different stance for Test matches. I think he should outsmart the bowlers by playing through off side with inside out shots.

having said that his real problem is not the fielders. He is a man of 90 meter sixes. It doesn't really matter. His problem is "slower balls". He consistently strugglest to get score runs off of slower balls. Eventually he gets out to slower balls. In every single innings he got out to slower ball if i am right. When he has way too much time to receive the ball he mistimes it invariably.
 
Yuvraj singh another guy who had issues against slower ball. These strikers expect the ball at a certain pace. When it doesn't arrive they struggle to time.
 
If Faheem strikes the ball like Pandya tonight, then I regret not seeing him bat. I will check his batting today.
 
Hey Indians, talk now.

31 from 18 tonight against world's 2nd greatest white ball nation after India.

3 sixes also.

Well done Faheem
 
I didn't know Faheem is such a good striker of ball.

There is some logic behind this comparison after all.
 
Also please please please don’t restart this comparison.
 
Will the posters that cited Pandya's innings vs South Africa for 2 years do the same with this Faheem's innings?
 
Averaging 32 with bat now and 26 with ball in test cricket. What are Hardik's stats?
 
Stats don't lie. Pandya averages 31 with bat and ball in test cricket. Could be alot closer comparison in test cricket believe it or not
 
ataullah said:
Averaging 32 with bat now and 26 with ball in test cricket. What are Hardik's stats?
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You updated(this match) his batting stats but not his bowling. Faheem averages 32 both bowling and batting

Hardik, 31 in batting and in bowling


But sample size is different. Hardik has played 11 whereas Faheem just 5(including this match).

A very small sample size to compare. As a whole Pandya is way ahead of Faheem at least in batting
 
Slog said:
Also please please please don’t restart this comparison.
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Yeah sure .If it was pandya this thread would have already reached 50 pages .Fahim might not be world class but pandya is also no stokes or shakib

Faheem Ashraf has played 5 Tests. In first match: he scored 83 from 159-6. Second: he had 72 p'ship with Shadab in Lord's win. Third: 3 wickets in Leeds. Fourth: 6 wkts in Johannesburg. Fifth: 91 v NZ. Not a single failure yet he missed 7 Tests in Aus, Eng, South Africa combined.
 
Mobashir said:
Will the posters that cited Pandya's innings vs South Africa for 2 years do the same with this Faheem's innings?
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No comparison between the two innings. Pandya’s innings came against a bowling attack of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel on a bowling-friendly pitch.

Faheem played a very good innings in his own right, but no point in comparing it to a vastly superior innings.
 
Mobashir said:
Will the posters that cited Pandya's innings vs South Africa for 2 years do the same with this Faheem's innings?
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Faheem played a fantastic knock no doubt. Not taking anything away but Pandya's 93 came on a green mamba, against an arguably better attack. It was in fact the highest individual innings in that test match. That was a superior knock. Hardly a comparison. Pandya also won a test match in England after that with both bat and ball.
 
Again I was right. What did I say. Faheem is needed for balance. You need to play him and Hasan Ali at 9 along with shadab.

Make me Pakistan selector and I guarantee I can make this team a force.

Shadab
Faheem
Hasan
Gul
Shaheen


That's a strong lineup for bowling.

As for pandya vs Faheem. It's too early. I think pandya is better but Faheem is still unproven. Let's see after he plays more games.
 
I was too young in 90s but can anyone tell me how good a bowler was Lance Klusner in his prime? Was he a threatening bowler who could run through batting lineups on his day? Fahim is decent but unfortunately doesn't look aggressive bowler to me. Keeps bowling in his limits like Pandya and wait for batsman to make mistake.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
I was too young in 90s but can anyone tell me how good a bowler was Lance Klusner in his prime? Was he a threatening bowler who could run through batting lineups on his day? Fahim is decent but unfortunately doesn't look aggressive bowler to me. Keeps bowling in his limits like Pandya and wait for batsman to make mistake.
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Klusener was Ben Stokes of his time.
 
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