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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

The Googly said:
Pandiya is way ahead!! What has Faheem done?
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I think Fahim needs to be given a complete run to see his what he is made of. So far, he played a crucial little cameo against Sri Lanka in the Champion's trophy. I was there at the stadium an Everyone could sense that had it not been for his positive intent, we were there for the taking.
 
It is too early to start comparing these two. Ashraf has only played two international games and in one of those games he had little involvement.
 
I see similarities in both Fahim Ashraf and Hardik Pandya. Both are hard hitting batsmen who could provide 5-6 handy overs in an ODI. However Fahim must be given time to develop as Hardik has been on the scene for almost 1.5 years now
 
Obviously, Fahim is the better player (talent wise) and also has contributions in winning a global ICC trophy for Pakistan.

A much better comparison would be Pandya vs Bilawal Bhatti which I think is appropriate at this point in time however, IMHO Bhatti at the moment just edges ahead of him. Pandya over the course of his career, can effectively overtake Bhatti if he keeps on working on his fitness and bowling/batting.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Obviously, Fahim is the better player (talent wise) and also has contributions in winning a global ICC trophy for Pakistan.

A much better comparison would be Pandya vs Bilawal Bhatti which I think is appropriate at this point in time however, IMHO Bhatti at the moment just edges ahead of him. Pandya over the course of his career, can effectively overtake Bhatti if he keeps on working on his fitness and bowling/batting.
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In all seriousness Pandya is a serious talent, easily has more potential than Stokes with the bat, and expect him to take #1 all-rounder from Stokes within the next two years.

In terms of potential with the ball Fahim is slightly ahead, which isn't apparent now because of Fahim's god awful seam position.

In terms of batting potential Pandya is light years ahead, he's a future middle order prospect whilst Faheem at best will occupy a spot between 7-9. The timing and bat speed Pandya possesses is amazing.
 
pandya is light years ahead

fahim is a mediocre cricketer while pandya is something special. those who are saying fahim hasn't played enough games etc etc are fooling themselves

this comparison is as absurd as kohli vs umar
 
Fahim has just played 2 international matches..... it is tooooooooo early for such a comparison....
atleast wait till Fahim plays 25 odd internationals.
 
Ellipsism said:
:)))

In all seriousness Pandya is a serious talent, easily has more potential than Stokes with the bat, and expect him to take #1 all-rounder from Stokes within the next two years.

In terms of potential with the ball Fahim is slightly ahead, which isn't apparent now because of Fahim's god awful seam position.

In terms of batting potential Pandya is light years ahead, he's a future middle order prospect whilst Faheem at best will occupy a spot between 7-9. The timing and bat speed Pandya possesses is amazing.
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Stokes is a better batsman and has more potential technically than Pandya. But higher potential or better technique does not always translate to better performances.
 
Let's first see if Faheem makes a place in his own team and then we can compare.
 
this thread has become imran khan vs anwar ali, pandya miles ahead and fahim wont ever catch up with a weaker PCB, inferior facilities and nepotism.
 
Ellipsism said:
In terms of potential with the ball Fahim is slightly ahead, which isn't apparent now because of Fahim's god awful seam position.
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bro what do you mean? to me thats like saying Umar akmal is ahead in potential compared to babar, which isn't apparent because of fitness.

Pandya is better than fahim in all regards and will always be.
 
Pandya versus pace

Pandya's ability to hit sixes against spinners is well-documented. In fact, the frequency with which he hits them will instill fear in teams that plan to bowl spin to him. In Indore, however, the stand-out feature of his innings was his competence against pace. While he is not as aggressive against pace as he is against spin, Pandya is capable of keeping the quicker bowlers at bay and hitting proper cricketing shots in between. On Sunday, he proved that he isn't a mere finisher, but a batsman who can build an innings as well.
 
Pandaya will finish as the better player but I think Fahim can be a very good all rounder if he is given a chance.
 
There is absolutely no comparison between the two one is nobody and other is probably the best hitter in the world right now. Fahim do will do well if he adds 50% to the table what pandya is doing.
 
m.shah said:
There is absolutely no comparison between the two one is nobody and other is probably the best hitter in the world right now. Fahim do will do well if he adds 50% to the table what pandya is doing.
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OTT. There are others, who are as good if not better.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
A much better comparison would be Pandya vs Bilawal Bhatti which I think is appropriate at this point in time however, IMHO Bhatti at the moment just edges ahead of him.
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Why, oh why, would you even make this comparison to say nothing of putting Bhatti ahead?

Batting:
Bhatti 35 (Tests), 14.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 48.5 (Tests), 73.16 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/343305.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...er/625371.html

If every category, Pandya outscores Bhatti by a factor of 2 or more except for batting in tests in which he outscores him by a factor of about 1.7.
 
*Bowling:
Bhatti 48.5 (Tests), 73.16 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)
 
Napa said:
Why, oh why, would you even make this comparison to say nothing of putting Bhatti ahead?

Batting:
Bhatti 35 (Tests), 14.83 (ODIs)
Pandya 59.33 (Tests) 40.75 (ODIs)

Bowling:
Razzaq 48.5 (Tests), 73.16 (ODIs)
Pandya 23.75 (Tests), 34.03 (ODIs)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/343305.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/co...er/625371.html

If every category, Pandya outscores Bhatti by a factor of 2 or more except for batting in tests in which he outscores him by a factor of about 1.7.
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Smileys

Bhatti: :bhatti
Pandya: N/A

Bhatti wins.
 
He is the best lower order hitter in Pakistan.. Looking forward to see his development!
He is a better hitter against pace than Pandya who is hyped by Pakistanis too.
 
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Rayyman said:
I think Faheem is a better bowler.
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Don't go by the hattrick today. 2 of the wickets were caught on boundary line and the 3rd one was an lbw against a proper tailender.

I still believe Pandya is a better bowler than Faheem.

Have not seen Faheem bat yet. So will reserve my comments.
 
troodon said:
Don't go by the hattrick today. 2 of the wickets were caught on boundary line and the 3rd one was an lbw against a proper tailender.

I still believe Pandya is a better bowler than Faheem.

Have not seen Faheem bat yet. So will reserve my comments.
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Shanaka is not a tail-ender. Pandya is not a better bowler than Faheem. Pandya hasn't done much as a bowler, while Faheem has a hat-trick already.
 
troodon said:
Don't go by the hattrick today. 2 of the wickets were caught on boundary line and the 3rd one was an lbw against a proper tailender.

I still believe Pandya is a better bowler than Faheem.

Have not seen Faheem bat yet. So will reserve my comments.
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I am saying this because Faheem is mainly a bowler. Pandya only learned how to bowl few years back.
 
Havent seen Pandya done anything special with the ball so far and havent seen Faheem do anything special with the bat. So Pandya the batter is better , Faheem the bowler is better for me at this time
 
Fahim should not be compared with pandya.
Fahim should be compared with stokes because they both bat left handedly.

Ammad butt should be compared with pandya once he is brought in the team. Which will happen in next couple of series
 
This is going to be worse than Kohli vs Umar. Pandya is leagues above, but our fans will never learn.
 
Mamoon said:
This is going to be worse than Kohli vs Umar. Pandya is leagues above, but our fans will never learn.
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Based on what? Just because Pandya is not a Pakistani cricketer? Pandya has done nothing with the ball, while Faheem has a hat-trick. Faheem hasn't got the opportunity to bat yet. Both have just started their careers, let them play a bit and then make such clownish statements.
 
Pandya doesnt have a hatrick yet and can only hit against spinners.

Faheem's hitting ability can only be judged when he is given 10, 12 matches like Pandya. I thjnk Faheem will turn out to be better stroke make against pacers than Pandya is
 
Titan24 said:
Pandya doesnt have a hatrick yet and can only hit against spinners.

Faheem's hitting ability can only be judged when he is given 10, 12 matches like Pandya. I thjnk Faheem will turn out to be better stroke make against pacers than Pandya is
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Where is the proof that Faheem can hit pacers for sixers? He struggled to get the ball away against Udana/Thisara/Sanjaya type trundlers.

Hardik can hit the above type trundlers all day. His struggle is against genuine 145k bowlers. He can only take singles against them.
 
Mamoon said:
This is going to be worse than Kohli vs Umar. Pandya is leagues above, but our fans will never learn.
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Firstly the comparison is premature, secondly we all need to be careful to write off any player, Pandya is more experienced than Faheem, he plays in IPL and alot of LOIs matches. Faheem is new to international cricket. The more he plays the better he will become. Just have that Steve Smith thread in memory...
 
That shot by Faheem would have gone for 6 on a pitch with bounce and pace.

I’ve seen him play that shot in domestics for 6.

Clearly it was very difficult to hit sixes on this wicket. You can’t judge Faheem off this innings.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Based on what? Just because Pandya is not a Pakistani cricketer? Pandya has done nothing with the ball, while Faheem has a hat-trick. Faheem hasn't got the opportunity to bat yet. Both have just started their careers, let them play a bit and then make such clownish statements.
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waleed88 said:
Does Pandya have a hatrick?
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Mohammad Sami has a hat-trick. Does that make him a great player?

And it was an ordinary hat-trick. Two of them were caught in the outfield.

Secondly, neither are in the team due to their bowling. There are better bowlers than Pandya and Fahim in India and Pakistan, but they are in the team because of their batting, and Pandya is far, far ahead in that department.

The knocks that Pandya has played is well above his ability. He can’t put bat on ball most of the times. There is comparison between the two.

It is Kohli vs Umar all over again. For a couple of years, our fans will fight for Umar and make excuses that oh it is his batting position and the management doesn’t back him etc. etc., before eventually realizing that it is a simple matter of difference in ability and talent.

Fahim has as much of a chance of being better than Pandya as Masood does of being better than Cook.
 
babajee said:
That shot by Faheem would have gone for 6 on a pitch with bounce and pace.

I’ve seen him play that shot in domestics for 6.

Clearly it was very difficult to hit sixes on this wicket. You can’t judge Faheem off this innings.
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Keep the excuses coming.

Shadab had no trouble in lifting the bowler for a six.

By the way, I am not going to judge Fahim based on this 1 inning.
 
Can't believe such a thread exist when Faheem didn't even have a decent chance to bat yet.
 
troodon said:
Where is the proof that Faheem can hit pacers for sixers? He struggled to get the ball away against Udana/Thisara/Sanjaya type trundlers.

Hardik can hit the above type trundlers all day. His struggle is against genuine 145k bowlers. He can only take singles against them.
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Insightful post. Judges a player's ability by a 6-ball innings in a T20 match where 16 were required off 11 balls on a difficult pitch. Pandya might be untouchable for Indian fans, but he is just another player for other teams fans'.

Let both of them play for an extended period of time, then compare. Any comparisons right now are premature and frankly, daft.
 
Dont you think that the number of matches Pandya has played has helped in his development and even after that he can only hit spinners and looks pretty uneasy against pacers while Faheem is yet to play 7 matches more Pakistan i.e T20 and 50 overs combined.
 
IAJ said:
Firstly the comparison is premature, secondly we all need to be careful to write off any player, Pandya is more experienced than Faheem, he plays in IPL and alot of LOIs matches. Faheem is new to international cricket. The more he plays the better he will become. Just have that Steve Smith thread in memory...
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Smith was a superb batsman in Shield Cricket. Bas har airay gharay ko khilao because Smith took time to become a world class international player.
 
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Titan24 said:
No biggy. Wickets hatrick is a bigger thing
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Even Irfan Pathan has a hatrick.Faheem struggled to bat against Lankan second string trundlers today whereas Pandya has smoked them in a test match at their home to score a century.And he is no mug against fast bowlers.Just that he doesnt do the same monstrous hitting against fastbowlers as he does against spin bowlers in international LOIs yet.However, in IPL he had smoked the likes of Rabada,Cummins and Boult for sixes and fours many times.
 
Writing off players after 1 match continues. Pakistanis will never develop players with this attitude :)
Faheem certainly has potential and needs backing. I hope Mickey and Sarfraz persist with him. He will come good, IA.
 
Mamoon said:
Mohammad Sami has a hat-trick. Does that make him a great player?

And it was an ordinary hat-trick. Two of them were caught in the outfield.

Secondly, neither are in the team due to their bowling. There are better bowlers than Pandya and Fahim in India and Pakistan, but they are in the team because of their batting, and Pandya is far, far ahead in that department.

The knocks that Pandya has played is well above his ability. He can’t put bat on ball most of the times. There is comparison between the two.

It is Kohli vs Umar all over again. For a couple of years, our fans will fight for Umar and make excuses that oh it is his batting position and the management doesn’t back him etc. etc., before eventually realizing that it is a simple matter of difference in ability and talent.

Fahim has as much of a chance of being better than Pandya as Masood does of being better than Cook.
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Faheem ashraf has always played as a bowling all-rounder. Where did u get your info on Faheem playing for his batting?
 
Some fans started bashing a player and started comparing a player who had players 30 ipl matches and lots of t20 and got good batting opportunities to the one who just batted for the 2nd time in his career in international cricket match. Some fans will never learn and will never be happy no matter what.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Insightful post. Judges a player's ability by a 6-ball innings in a T20 match where 16 were required off 11 balls on a difficult pitch. Pandya might be untouchable for Indian fans, but he is just another player for other teams fans'.

Let both of them play for an extended period of time, then compare. Any comparisons right now are premature and frankly, daft.
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I am not the one judging Fahim based on this inning. It was the Pak poster who was claiming that Fahim can hit pacers better than Pandya. I was only asking for evidence.

Don't tell me domestic games. Pandya has hit pacers and trundlers in IPL before. Not easy to hit genuine pace bowlers like Coulter nile, Cummins etc.
 
7sins said:
Some fans started bashing a player and started comparing a player who had players 30 ipl matches and lots of t20 and got good batting opportunities to the one who just batted for the 2nd time in his career in international cricket match. Some fans will never learn and will never be happy no matter what.
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Exactly
 
While Pandya has played quite a number of matches for India nad has played 3, 4 seasons of IPL. Faheem is yet to play PSL and he is gonna play it in the coming edition hopefully and he can only be judged if he is given some matches at international level as 7 sins said.
 
Mamoon said:
Mohammad Sami has a hat-trick. Does that make him a great player?

And it was an ordinary hat-trick. Two of them were caught in the outfield.

Secondly, neither are in the team due to their bowling. There are better bowlers than Pandya and Fahim in India and Pakistan, but they are in the team because of their batting, and Pandya is far, far ahead in that department.

The knocks that Pandya has played is well above his ability. He can’t put bat on ball most of the times. There is comparison between the two.

It is Kohli vs Umar all over again. For a couple of years, our fans will fight for Umar and make excuses that oh it is his batting position and the management doesn’t back him etc. etc., before eventually realizing that it is a simple matter of difference in ability and talent.

Fahim has as much of a chance of being better than Pandya as Masood does of being better than Cook.
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Have you checked Fahim's stats in domestic cricket, or even heard of him before he broke into international cricket? His bowling is his stronger suit but he is a ferocious hitter and an asset to have coming in at number 7 or 8. Pandya is more of a batsman than a bowler. You just cannot compare the two right now based on the ridiculously small sample size. Your posts are just so bad, they might get mistaken for sarcasm and trolling the Indians for when they think Pandya is an untouchable cricketer.
 
troodon said:
I am not the one judging Fahim based on this inning. It was the Pak poster who was claiming that Fahim can hit pacers better than Pandya. I was only asking for evidence.

Don't tell me domestic games. Pandya has hit pacers and trundlers in IPL before. Not easy to hit genuine pace bowlers like Coulter nile, Cummins etc.
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You are right but we can have a look at him in next edition of PSL which is going to be his first edition.
 
Let Faheem play more games and bat more.

The comparison is definitely premature however.

He has potential and needs backing by management.
 
Titan24 said:
You are right but we can have a look at him in next edition of PSL which is going to be his first edition.
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You need a sample of at least 10 T20's and 10 ODI's to judge a player. Even in that Fahim needs to bat at least 10 overs so that we can assess what kind of player he is.

Currently every Pak bowler that Pak puts on the paper is bowling like an ATG. We have to wait and see how many of them are real and how many are flash in the pans one series wonders.

As of now, the talent that is coming out of Pakistan is impressive.
 
Mamoon said:
Mohammad Sami has a hat-trick. Does that make him a great player?

And it was an ordinary hat-trick. Two of them were caught in the outfield.

Secondly, neither are in the team due to their bowling. There are better bowlers than Pandya and Fahim in India and Pakistan, but they are in the team because of their batting, and Pandya is far, far ahead in that department.

The knocks that Pandya has played is well above his ability. He can’t put bat on ball most of the times. There is comparison between the two.

It is Kohli vs Umar all over again. For a couple of years, our fans will fight for Umar and make excuses that oh it is his batting position and the management doesn’t back him etc. etc., before eventually realizing that it is a simple matter of difference in ability and talent.

Fahim has as much of a chance of being better than Pandya as Masood does of being better than Cook.
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Mohammad Sami when he first came on really set the show alight, for his first 2 years it seemed nothing will stop him from being an ATG, you can't undermine a potential of a player based on what he can't/cannot achieve. You can only see what he is doing ON the pitch. His batting hasn't been properly tested yet
 
Fahim has a nice fluid bat swing. He's a timer of the ball, a true pitch player. If we're to see his full potential, then Pakistan have to send him at 6 the next series. NZ pitches are ideal for his style of play.
 
There are very few who can muscle 145k bowlers. De Villiers and Andre Russel are the only two I can think of. Guptill at times.

Pandya has to time the genuine pacers. With his levers, even short arm jabs would clear the rope.
 
troodon said:
I am not the one judging Fahim based on this inning. It was the Pak poster who was claiming that Fahim can hit pacers better than Pandya. I was only asking for evidence.

Don't tell me domestic games. Pandya has hit pacers and trundlers in IPL before. Not easy to hit genuine pace bowlers like Coulter nile, Cummins etc.
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Chief Destroyer said:
There are very few who can muscle 145k bowlers. De Villiers and Andre Russel are the only two I can think of. Guptill at times.

Pandya has to time the genuine pacers. With his levers, even short arm jabs would clear the rope.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpe2mq-gE
@11:50 Imad hits Cummings for six
 
Rayyman said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mffpe2mq-gE
@11:50 Imad hits Cummings for six
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That's a timed six. Imad is a lazy idiot who hasn't progressed one bit even though he has timing and batspeed. Hasn't figured out his strengths or weaknesses. Plays stupid shots all the time. He grips the bat as if he's a top order shot-maker which he isn't. He needs a firmer bottom hand grip to stop the bat from twisting against faster bowlers. Anyway, I don't think he's gonna improve. Doesn't have the mental shrewdness or the drive to fine-tune his game.
 
Faheem needs to deliver big with the bat, needs to put in some serious match winning performances to match Pandya.
 
Finisher said:
Faheem ashraf has always played as a bowling all-rounder. Where did u get your info on Faheem playing for his batting?
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Fahim is in the team because the management have hopes from his batting. They believe that he has more potential than the other all-rounders when it comes to batting. Unless he develops his bowling to an extent where he can make the team purely on his bowling, he is going to be judged on his batting contributions.

Based on evidence so far, he seems to be cut from the same cloth as the other pretenders that we have had in the past. Of course, people are free to believe that he will develop into a Pandya or Stokes if given the time. I, however, do not share the optimism.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Have you checked Fahim's stats in domestic cricket, or even heard of him before he broke into international cricket? His bowling is his stronger suit but he is a ferocious hitter and an asset to have coming in at number 7 or 8. Pandya is more of a batsman than a bowler. You just cannot compare the two right now based on the ridiculously small sample size. Your posts are just so bad, they might get mistaken for sarcasm and trolling the Indians for when they think Pandya is an untouchable cricketer.
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waleed88 said:
Mohammad Sami when he first came on really set the show alight, for his first 2 years it seemed nothing will stop him from being an ATG, you can't undermine a potential of a player based on what he can't/cannot achieve. You can only see what he is doing ON the pitch. His batting hasn't been properly tested yet
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Don't know about "ferocious hitter" when he is catching thin air against 80 mph half-volleys. There is no point in bickering over this now. We shall revisit this thread in 4-5 years time, and if Fahim develops into a Pandya or Stokes level player, you can call me out throw eggs on my face.
 
Not so good execution today by Fahim with bat but will do well hopefully.
 
This was the first batting opportunity Faheem got in T20I's and it was such a pressure situation... we need to give him time and hold our expectations. Shahab has been in such siuations a couple of times and today he delivered-must say he is one level headed teenager that one!
 
Mamoon said:
This is going to be worse than Kohli vs Umar. Pandya is leagues above, but our fans will never learn.
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Faheem is also special. Saw him win a game from dead v Ban before CT. hit the ball miles. Very talented. I think he will be a key for Pakistan in the World Cup. Needs to play every game.
 
Sometimes you're spot on. Majority of the times you go a bit too far with the pessimism. Life is worth living!

Faheem is better than the other guys we've had in the last few years. He's still very raw but I'm optimistic he will be very good. He is more a no8 hitter and good fast medium. Not comparable to Pandya who's a proper batsman who bowls some handy overs.

Faheem will develop given a consistent run.
 
Wait .. why are we even comparing anybody to Pandya yet? Whats so special about what he has done that we are ravin about him to this extent?

Yes he certainly has shown potential and has the chance to become a great all-rounder but to already start comparing other players to him is certainly not warranted at this moment.

On the other hand to completely rubbish Faheem when he has only played a handful of games is not right either. If Pandya was a Pakistani, the same posters who are raving about him now would be nitpicking his weaknesses.
 
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