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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Kaptan said:
Trust me, if Faheem would have scored at a strike rate of 300+ against this side. You would have already declared him as the best all-rounder ever.
But, fortunately (for us) he is not good enough to score at 300+ strike rate.
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Faheem is capable of scoring at 300 strike rate but doing it is a different story. However it is against Ireland so it barely counts for pandya. I think it is safe to say that so far Pandya is the better batsman and faheem is the better bowler. We can't really say who's better overall until they have played for a good 5 years or so. Some cricketers improve over the years and some unfortunately deteriorate as we saw with umar akmal. We will just have to wait and see. Both cricketers are indeed very talented and I certainly rate them both quite highly.
 
Kaptan said:
Trust me, if Faheem would have scored at a strike rate of 300+ against this side. You would have already declared him as the best all-rounder ever.
But, fortunately (for us) he is not good enough to score at 300+ strike rate.
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Against SL he hit 13(3)*

Try again :)
 
Pandya gets a lot of unnecessary criticism. In the current Indian side in ODIs/T20Is, he is the only batsman who can hit sixes without consuming deliveries. He bowls his overs regularly, picks a wicket almost every match, scores 25-30 runs and is a brilliant fielder. For someone still finding his feet at international level, he is doing fine.

In another couple of years, I will not be surprised if he has a mid-30s batting average across formats and a bowling under 30 in tests/ODIs
 
I genuinely did a survey today and asked 10 cricket watching colleagues of mine if they ever heard of Faheem Ashraf (even i had to check PP to be sure i named him right). None of them knew him. I told them there is a discussion going on somewhere that this dude is better than Hardik Pandya. We all burst into laughter instantly. What a joke really. Pandya is a superstar.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I genuinely did a survey today and asked 10 cricket watching colleagues of mine if they ever heard of Faheem Ashraf (even i had to check PP to be sure i named him right). None of them knew him. I told them there is a discussion going on somewhere that this dude is better than Hardik Pandya. We all burst into laughter instantly. What a joke really. Pandya is a superstar.
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And I am sure they were indians so invalid survey there and a big lool at superstar.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I genuinely did a survey today and asked 10 cricket watching colleagues of mine if they ever heard of Faheem Ashraf (even i had to check PP to be sure i named him right). None of them knew him. I told them there is a discussion going on somewhere that this dude is better than Hardik Pandya. We all burst into laughter instantly. What a joke really. Pandya is a superstar.
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Few sixes vs Ireland makes Pandya a superstar, the Faheem bhai's hat-trick vs Sri Lanka makes him a megastar

I burst out laughing too when I read the last line in your post :))
 
Funny how Pandya is a “explosive lower-order hitter” for hitting a few boundaries in a T20 against Ireland.

While Faheem was a “minnow-basher” for hitting 80 on debut against them at a SR of 72 when the team was 159-6 in a Test match.

Nonetheless, both are not deserving as of yet for a thread this huge.
 
Both of them are extremely raw at the moment and the only thing that makes them stand out from other all-rounders in the world is their hair style. Both are extremely talented but are nobodies when compared to a player like Ben Stokes.
 
I still to this day believe that the only reason Sarfaraz persisted with his spinners when bowling to Pandya in the CT final was because he wanted the ball to wear down a bit so it starts reversing. He could've brought the pacers earlier on and Pandya wouldn't have scored much at all:shhh
 
These innings in already lost games does not matter much .
Shoaib Akhtar also smashed quick fire 45 vs england in 2003 world cup. Sometimes numbers and stats are misleading, but who have watched that game, knows very well that India already lost that game by the time Pandya came, and Sarfaraz just wanted to get through the overs from Fakhar for injured Imad.

Pandya has been around with the team for almost 3 years, played many games, had few good innings.
Faheem on the other hand debuted last year, and did not get much opportunity to bat
 
Shoaib scored 43 (16) balls in that game and was on a track to break the fastest 50 in ODI.
But the point I am making is, like this stat is useless, same with Pandya's quick fire 76 in CT final.
 
iniqbal223 said:
These innings in already lost games does not matter much .
Shoaib Akhtar also smashed quick fire 45 vs england in 2003 world cup. Sometimes numbers and stats are misleading, but who have watched that game, knows very well that India already lost that game by the time Pandya came, and Sarfaraz just wanted to get through the overs from Fakhar for injured Imad.

Pandya has been around with the team for almost 3 years, played many games, had few good innings.
Faheem on the other hand debuted last year, and did not get much opportunity to bat
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Pandya made his debut in Oct 2016, Fahim in June 2017!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I genuinely did a survey today and asked 10 cricket watching colleagues of mine if they ever heard of Faheem Ashraf (even i had to check PP to be sure i named him right). None of them knew him.
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I think Indians in general don't follow Pakistan cricket that closely anymore. If you told them that Babar Azam was one of the top young batsmen in the world, they would have a confused look on their face.

I hadn't seen the guy bat until Champions Trophy 2016 and even after that I didn't understand the hype among PP fans. He has apparently scored the runs and earned his ICC rankings, but for whatever reason, I was never aware of it, either through cricketing websites or media. Or maybe I never cared to find out, I don't know. But I don't think Babar Azam would come in a lot of Indians' list for the top young batsmen in the world even if the ICC rankings suggest otherwise, simply because they're not aware.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I think Indians in general don't follow Pakistan cricket that closely anymore. If you told them that Babar Azam was one of the top young batsmen in the world, they would have a confused look on their face.

I hadn't seen the guy bat until Champions Trophy 2016 and even after that I didn't understand the hype among PP fans. He has apparently scored the runs and earned his ICC rankings, but for whatever reason, I was never aware of it, either through cricketing websites or media. Or maybe I never cared to find out, I don't know. But I don't think Babar Azam would come in a lot of Indians' list for the top young batsmen in the world even if the ICC rankings suggest otherwise, simply because they're not aware.
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One word, IPL. Rashid Khan today is far more popular than any Pakistani Cricketer in India, and that's all down to his IPL exploits. Also Pakistan being ranked really low for a good couple of years means people just don't care.
 
BlackShadow said:
One word, IPL. Rashid Khan today is far more popular than any Pakistani Cricketer in India, and that's all down to his IPL exploits. Also Pakistan being ranked really low for a good couple of years means people just don't care.
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Fakhar Zaman and M Amir ring a bell in India?
PAK is also the no 1 team in the same format as IPL is being played in:amir2
 
BlackShadow said:
One word, IPL. Rashid Khan today is far more popular than any Pakistani Cricketer in India, and that's all down to his IPL exploits. Also Pakistan being ranked really low for a good couple of years means people just don't care.
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Thats not the only reason.

Its also because India and Pakistan dont play each other anymore.

In the 90s, Pakistani cricketers were popular in India because they played each other so often. Therefore the likes of Afridi, Razzaq, Inzamam, Shoaib Akter, and wasim akhter became household names in India.
 
pakistani pride said:
Fakhar Zaman and M Amir ring a bell in India?
PAK is also the no 1 team in the same format as IPL is being played in:amir2
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About Fakhar, not even close. But you are right about Amir, his meteoric rise in 2008-2009 is not forgotten here. Having said that, Rashid today is still way more relevant here, and as @Blacknhyellow said above, this can also be attributed to the lack of Indo-Pak matches.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Did you do any survey to get to this conclusion or what?
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Actually, there are plenty of Indians in my work place, who follow Indian cricket but dont know much about the new generation of Pakistani cricketers. At least these Indians only seem to know and follow the teams that India plays against, and players who play in the IPL. These guys dont know much about the current Pakistani cricketers as India doesnt play them much. Thy know the past generation, akhtar, afridi, akram etc, maybe a shoaib malik too because of whom he married, but not much about the dashing new generation Pakistani players

Only those Indian cricket fans, who follow world cricket or those who are obsessed about India-Pak rivalry will know about current generation of Pakistani cricketers.

But come the ODI world cup, I bet every Indian who follows cricket will know each and every Paksitani cricketer in their ODI team. Thats damn sure!

Coz the streak will finally be broken and it will hurt real bad! :wahab
 
Hardik is a much better batsmen. Faheem hasn't done much with the bat. With the ball Faheem is the bowler . Hardik is clearly the better fielder.

Overall Hardik is the better cricketer.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I think Indians in general don't follow Pakistan cricket that closely anymore. If you told them that Babar Azam was one of the top young batsmen in the world, they would have a confused look on their face..
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He is actually right there. Pakistan as a team is great and dangerous but their players aren't popular anymore.

I grew up in an era Pakistan team was full of superstars.

Today if you ask an average Indian about Pakistan team he recognizes Mohd Amir, Shoaib Malik and few more names thats about it.

I have myself never watched Babar Azam bat or i don't remember probably.

It has nothing to do with hate for Pakistan players. Maybe its because they don't play in IPL or against India much. This could be a big factor,
 
Oligochaetes said:
Actually, there are plenty of Indians in my work place, who follow Indian cricket but dont know much about the new generation of Pakistani cricketers. At least these Indians only seem to know and follow the teams that India plays against, and players who play in the IPL. These guys dont know much about the current Pakistani cricketers as India doesnt play them much. Thy know the past generation, akhtar, afridi, akram etc, maybe a shoaib malik too because of whom he married, but not much about the dashing new generation Pakistani players

Only those Indian cricket fans, who follow world cricket or those who are obsessed about India-Pak rivalry will know about current generation of Pakistani cricketers.

But come the ODI world cup, I bet every Indian who follows cricket will know each and every Paksitani cricketer in their ODI team. Thats damn sure!

Coz the streak will finally be broken and it will hurt real bad! :wahab
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You are right bro. No hate for Pakistani brothers. When a Pakistani cricketer becomes huge then most Indians get to know him these days. Even Mod Amir, Saeed Ajmal were unknown to us till the time we played against them or they became huge.
 
BlackShadow said:
About Fakhar, not even close. But you are right about Amir, his meteoric rise in 2008-2009 is not forgotten here. Having said that, Rashid today is still way more relevant here, and as @Blacknhyellow said above, this can also be attributed to the lack of Indo-Pak matches.
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So you mean to say cricket fans in India do not know who the bloke is that SMASHED a 100 vs them in the ONLY ICC 50 overs tournament final between Indo Pak?

The main thing is the lack of games between the 2 sides. If they start playing again people from both sides will know the players better.

Just to say something Im sure many pak cricket fans are also not aware of most of the Indian cricketers.
 
Tbh most indians don't know about current Pakistan players.

But, I even know the likes of Salman Irshad and Mohammed RIZWAn, the wicket keeper.

I travel a lot in India. And most of the guys know only these(from current or players who retired recently ) players, Amir, Shoaib, Hassan Ali, Misbah and Younis. May be some may remember Fakhar as well. But I didn't hear Fakhar name.

But again there is no need for PAK players to be known. I am sure many Indian players would not be known in Pakistan.

The reason is simple. We don't play much.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I genuinely did a survey today and asked 10 cricket watching colleagues of mine if they ever heard of Faheem Ashraf (even i had to check PP to be sure i named him right). None of them knew him. I told them there is a discussion going on somewhere that this dude is better than Hardik Pandya. We all burst into laughter instantly. What a joke really. Pandya is a superstar.
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Do a survey of 10 average Pakistanis and they will struggle to name any Indian cricketers outside of Kohli, Dhawan, Sharma and Dhoni.
 
Nobody outside Pakistan really knows who Faheem is. Pandya he's better known, but more as a possible talent. A worse Ben Stokes. Even then no one really gets scared of facing Pandya, sure he can be destructive on his day, but he's a far more preferable option to face than Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli and Dhoni (the latter still good, but not as good as before)). Those guys have the ability both to score at obscene strike rates and score big.
 
pakistani pride said:
So you mean to say cricket fans in India do not know who the bloke is that SMASHED a 100 vs them in the ONLY ICC 50 overs tournament final between Indo Pak?

The main thing is the lack of games between the 2 sides. If they start playing again people from both sides will know the players better.

Just to say something Im sure many pak cricket fans are also not aware of most of the Indian cricketers.
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Absence from IPL is the biggest factor. Even I too had almost forgot about Fakhar's name, let alone this Faheem guy.
 
Lol @ the nautanki by few of my fellow indian posters.

"Oh we don't know who Babar Azam is"
"I have never seen Babar Azam bat"
"My friend circle doesn't know about Pakistani players"
"He is not part of IPL so I don't know about him"
 
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Balthazar said:
Absence from IPL is the biggest factor. Even I too had almost forgot about Fakhar's name, let alone this Faheem guy.
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Here's the thing
Indian players who have made a mark like Dhawan, Kohli, Sharma, Dhoni etc are well-known in Pakistan. But same can't be said about Chahal, Washington, rahul, pandey, and similar other blokes


Now coming to Pakistani players. Most of them are new like Zaman, Babar, Shadab, Faheem, hussain etc etc

But players who have been around for a while like Malik, Amir, Hafeez, sirfaraz are well-known in India.
 
This thread is basically 'my trundler-hack is better than your trundler-hack'
 
Dagestani_Eagle said:
Here's the thing
Indian players who have made a mark like Dhawan, Kohli, Sharma, Dhoni etc are well-known in Pakistan. But same can't be said about Chahal, Washington, rahul, pandey, and similar other blokes


Now coming to Pakistani players. Most of them are new like Zaman, Babar, Shadab, Faheem, hussain etc etc

But players who have been around for a while like Malik, Amir, Hafeez, sirfaraz are well-known in India.
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That's true for your average cricket fans. But in India, even the most die hard fans have hard time remembering these names. A consistent performance on World stage is the only way we can get to know about these players, just like Hasan Ali who did well in the Champions trophy.
 
Faheem can't even have any one innings against noteworthy opposition. Not good enough for comparison with Pandya.
 
Faheem jaiso ko Pandya paan jaise chaba jata hae.

He's in another league and there is no shame for Fam in that. Pandya is a stud.
 
4 wickets today and 33 runs with 200 strike rating and chasing it down like a boss. Do I need to add anything more to prove how Pandya dominated today's match and in turn helped India to win the series? That should end this discussion.
 
Hardik Pandya 4 wickets and scored 33 runs from 14 balls. Great match in the series decider.
 
At the moment considering all the formats Hardik has created more impact but I believe Faheem is gonna produce impact performances as he has all the ingredients.

Good thing is both are now regular for both their sides so we will get to know in couple of years where their careers will head. Its still pretty early to deduce any thing.
 
Don't expect much from both at this point. Hardik as a bowler has come a long way. He looks run of the mill bowler. But there is something that he bowls makes the batsman uncomfortable especially when he hits the deck hard. May be heavy balls. As a batsman Hardik has been unpredictable. Either he comes away with clean hitting innings or he just pokes around and gets out for almost nothing.
 
I feel like the main difference between Indian and Pakistani cricketers now is the fact that Indian players play with such immense passion. When they have a bad game or bad spell of bowling they make sure they perform in the next game or next spell. They are constantly determined to win. I just don't see this much passion in Pakistani players. Faheem seems passionate and determined but not as much as pandya. I think this mainly has to do with India's captain being that sort of passionate captain which has rubbed onto players.
Another example is babar compared to Rahul. Babar just doesn't seem to want success as much as Rahul (I'm not saying he doesn't but it doesn't seem like it). Babar seems less passionate. The effect this has is that you can't be in the oppositions face because u don't have the passion to have a swagger or be in the opponents ear. Pakistan needs this sort of passion and drive that Indians seem to have. Imad wasim was a good example of some1 that had that before but now even he seems too laid back.
My prediction for the future is pandya will turn out so much better as he has the determination to work hard which I don't see faheem having as much of.
 
Great all-round performance from Pandya. His batting kinda gives off that X-factor that Freddie Flintoff had with his bowling.

Regarding this thread, it's still pretty hard to properly deduce who's better. Bowling wise, I give the edge to Faheem. In regards to batting however, until I see Faheem consistently bat for a considerable amount of time, which he hasn't since he's coming in at 7-8 on average, I'm not going to say Pandya is better. So for batting, it's a question mark.
 
To put his innings in to perspective....yesterday when he came in , India needed 44 runs in 4 overs. He scored 33 of them in 14 balls and finished match with 8 balls to spare..

Add to it his four wickets and now we know that this guy is going to be crucial for our WC plans.
 
Faheem Ashraf - 8.1-2-22-5 - leads his team as they walk back to the dressing room.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5-22 for Faheem Ashraf are his best bowling figures in ODIs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZIMvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZIMvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1019512783447224320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Well we know it was Zimbabwe but come on, bowling out any international team for 67 is a good achievement. So congrats to Faheem for his immaculate bowling.
 
Madplayer said:
Well we know it was Zimbabwe but come on, bowling out any international team for 67 is a good achievement. So congrats to Faheem for his immaculate bowling.
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Great Hardik Pandya didn't even feel like playing against Zim last time and was rested for the series. :inti
 
I don't know if this comparison even makes sense : Pandya is a batting all rounder, while Rana is a bowling all rounder. Of course, Pandya will always be the better bat and Rana the better bowler, that's their "role". That's like comparing Kallis with Imran Khan/Kapil Dev. But if you speak of their overall performances and keeping in mind their "lower gear" (bowling for Pandya and batting for Rana), I think Pandya is slightly ahead.

But as of now both are relatively new, and I think that over time Rana will get ahead, not so because of himself in his own, but for the very fact that it's really hard to sustain as a batting all rounder (as opposed to a bowling all rounder), even more so in a country blessed with batting riches like India, don't know for how long Pandya's bowling will "shield" him in ODIs (in T20s, just being a decent bowler gets you wickets).

But both are great talents.
 
enkidu_ said:
I don't know if this comparison even makes sense : Pandya is a batting all rounder, while Rana is a bowling all rounder. Of course, Pandya will always be the better bat and Rana the better bowler, that's their "role". That's like comparing Kallis with Imran Khan/Kapil Dev. But if you speak of their overall performances and keeping in mind their "lower gear" (bowling for Pandya and batting for Rana), I think Pandya is slightly ahead.

But as of now both are relatively new, and I think that over time Rana will get ahead, not so because of himself in his own, but for the very fact that it's really hard to sustain as a batting all rounder (as opposed to a bowling all rounder), even more so in a country blessed with batting riches like India, don't know for how long Pandya's bowling will "shield" him in ODIs (in T20s, just being a decent bowler gets you wickets).

But both are great talents.
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Rana?

:))
 
Faheem Ashraf has a hatrick in T20s and a fifer in ODIs and scored a fifty on his test debut.
 
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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I sometimes genuinely feel sorry for you bro......
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Doubt even Pandya would defend himself with such besharmi :))
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Have some shame.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Your posts are getting really ridiculous. It's okay to play the bad guy but it's lacking all logic. Maybe Pandya is better. So far he's definitely a better batsman, but faheem is a pretty decent player with a high ceiling
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Are you okay? I think your having a bad day. Paani peelo. Oh wait this is the norm for you sorry.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Ashamed to see the title of "Hall of Famer" under your name. What an awful post.
 
People can say what they want, but Pandya has proved his mettle against some world class teams (Australia, South Africa) and some mediocre teams in a purple patch (Pakistan).

Apart from one innings vs England, Faheem has not impressed against any good opposition. Even against weak teams, he has done nothing with the bat. The highlights of his career are a fluke hat-trick against a poor Sri Lankan team and a 5-fer against a terribly awful Zimbabwe.

He is a not a cricketer unless he proves himself against the quality sides.
 
A 5'er against Zimb D team and Faheem is better than Pandya.

Let Faheem do something against big cricketing nations and then we will see how good he is.
 
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