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Harry averages 43+ at a SR of 85+

He MUST open alongside Falhar in our LOI team. He is great against pace and has all the shots in the book.

Cannot afford to waste anymore of his career.

Mickey Arthur - if you are easing this - MAKE IT HAPPEN!
 
Does he have any experience as an opener?Genuine question.

IMO ideal spot is 3 but Babar is there so 4.
 
No. Azhar is perfect to play the role of accumulator with fakhar. their opening partnership has been successful 4/4 times.
 
Haris Sohail is left-handed version of Babar Azam. So good to have in the team regardless but preferable at 4.
 
Haris Sohail is extremely overrated on this forum.

No he's not.

He is perfectly rated but surprised that a lot have forgotten about him.

Harris is the 3rd best Pakistani batsman to come out of Pakistan after Miandad and Babar Azam.
 
I'd rather see him in the middle order behind Babar Azam.

Azhar Ali (or a solid replacement)
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

That's solid and sets a great base for the rest of your batting order.
 
I'd rather see him in the middle order behind Babar Azam.

Azhar Ali (or a solid replacement)
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail

That's solid and sets a great base for the rest of your batting order.
I agree with this bro. :haris
 
No. Azhar is perfect to play the role of accumulator with fakhar. their opening partnership has been successful 4/4 times.

Accumulator with a SR of 75?

Thanks but no thanks.
 
Haris needs to improve his fitness and get in better match shape. He'll get his chances

And we have too many promising openers coming up in Pakistan right now to give that spot to a guy who's never played that position. Haris Sohail is better off at 4/5 in ODIs
 
Haris Sohail is extremely overrated on this forum.

Totally agree. He may end up being a Pakistani great, but he really hasn't done anything to get the super star treatment that he gets from fans

Not to mention he hasn't played international cricket in 1.5 years. We have no idea what we'll get once (if) he returns
 
Ideally in a year or two, this should be the top order in ODIs (if Sharjeel isn't cleared :sharjeel:)

Sahibzada Farhan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
 
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Haris needs to improve his fitness and get in better match shape. He'll get his chances

And we have too many promising openers coming up in Pakistan right now to give that spot to a guy who's never played that position. Haris Sohail is better off at 4/5 in ODIs

Like who? :13:

Sahibzada Farhan

Too raw and untested - at least Harris has experience in bilaterals and the WC
 
He's a middle order batsman.

The problem is Harris still needs to overcome his poor fitness and poor running between the wickets.

He's a good timer of the ball but that alone is not enough.

Anyway he deserves more chances but I'm not sure he is the soloution for Pakistan's middle order ODI woes.
 
Indeed over rated.
Anyhow, have no time for someone who hasnt played since May 2015.
Personally middle order spot is ok for him as hes a like for like replacement for Hafeez or Malik.
 
I disagree - Haris Sohail MUST NOT open with Fakhar. Haris is poor against short balls and far inferior to Azhar Ali as far as opening in ODI's.
 
No he MUST NOT open in ODI's. Middle order batsman, can slot in at 4 Babar must stay at 3
 
I disagree. While Azhar Ali should most definitely be replaced, Harris Sohail is not the man. Harris' ideal position is number 4 and that's where I think he should play, replacing Hafeez. I want Sharjeel to be Fakhar Zaman's eventual partner for the opening spot but as of now, one of either Umar Amin or Sahibzada Farhan should make the team.

Harry is a gem of a batsman, just not an opener.
 
Totally agree. He may end up being a Pakistani great, but he really hasn't done anything to get the super star treatment that he gets from fans

Not to mention he hasn't played international cricket in 1.5 years. We have no idea what we'll get once (if) he returns

In his short career so far, he didn't show prowess against spin, and his strike rotarion wasn't anything special.

His only good trait was his ability to hit the pacers through the offside.
 
You know who's really overrated as an ODI batsman? Ya boy Sarfraz Ahmed. Someone had to say it. But yes, I know, he is untouchable these days. Note: I didn't say anything bad about his captaincy, just batsmanship.

Haris Sohail should've been playing for us much much sooner. Starting from 2013. Wasted 2 years rotting in domestics, his peak at 24-25.

As for opening, I'd rather have Amin give a shot and displace Hafeez at 4 with Haris. Haris showed potential with the ball as well, and by now he'd be a very handy part timer or maybe even bat-AR like Amir Sohail.
 
Sharjeel
Babaar
Fakhar
Harris
Sarfaraz
Dynamic batter
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid
 
You know who's really overrated as an ODI batsman? Ya boy Sarfraz Ahmed. Someone had to say it. But yes, I know, he is untouchable these days. Note: I didn't say anything bad about his captaincy, just batsmanship.

Haris Sohail should've been playing for us much much sooner. Starting from 2013. Wasted 2 years rotting in domestics, his peak at 24-25.

As for opening, I'd rather have Amin give a shot and displace Hafeez at 4 with Haris. Haris showed potential with the ball as well, and by now he'd be a very handy part timer or maybe even bat-AR like Amir Sohail.

He is better with bat than Aamir sohail
 
Been saying it for months, bring him at 4.

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Umar Amin
Sarfraz Ahmed * wk
Amir Yamin
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Amir
Hassan Ali
-----------------------
Junaid Khan
Sahibzada Farhan
Hussain Talat
Usama Mir
 
He doesn't currently make a place in the playing 11 and you want him to open?

He was poor in the PSL. Did not play a single match winning knock in 2015 World Cup. Why all the hype?
 
He is better with bat than Aamir sohail

Yes, goes without saying.

Was just saying he can fill similar duties with ball. Looked impressive vs NZ despite never having bowled before. Mushtaq did good work with him.
 
You know who's really overrated as an ODI batsman? Ya boy Sarfraz Ahmed. Someone had to say it. But yes, I know, he is untouchable these days. Note: I didn't say anything bad about his captaincy, just batsmanship.

Haris Sohail should've been playing for us much much sooner. Starting from 2013. Wasted 2 years rotting in domestics, his peak at 24-25.

As for opening, I'd rather have Amin give a shot and displace Hafeez at 4 with Haris. Haris showed potential with the ball as well, and by now he'd be a very handy part timer or maybe even bat-AR like Amir Sohail.

Yes Sarfraz is overrated as a batsman but more so in Tests than ODI's. However, as you said, you can't say anything about him without inciting a riot nowadays lol
 
If Sharjeel isn't available in the next series, then Haris should definitely open. He is perfectly suitable for an opener as he is very good against swing/seam bowling and best thing about him is that he doesn't waste deliveries and can pick quick singles but still if he isn't played as an opener, he should be a permanent player in the middle order.
 
How is he overrated?

His batting form in tests has changed continued to decline since the heights of the 2014/15 season when he averaged 50+.

Yet no one questions his place in the test team as he is a "senior" now
 
How is he overrated?


Yes he's overrated in tests because he has only decently scored in UAE where it's much easier to bat on, not many notable performances overseas.

In ODI's Sarfraz has shown great potential, in the CWC 2015, and in the England tour, he has a great approach to the game as he always looks to score and that's a great boost for Pakistan. He is not a clean hitter therefore he should be ideally playing at number 5 to keep the board ticking and rebuilding if needed.
 
Haris Sohail is extremely overrated on this forum.

I agree. He is good by Pakistan standards but very limited and like batsmen like Asad Shafiq can be easily tied down and can be restricted to score after which he will throw his wicket away. Personally think Umar Amin has more potential.
 
Harry averages 43+ at a SR of 85+

He MUST open alongside Falhar in our LOI team. He is great against pace and has all the shots in the book.

Cannot afford to waste anymore of his career.

Mickey Arthur - if you are easing this - MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Pakistan probably has 3-4 better options than him. Sharjeel, Sahibzada Farhan, Azhar Ali, Babar Azam can also open. Why would I open with a guy who has never even opened in domestic cricket.
 
His batting form in tests has changed continued to decline since the heights of the 2014/15 season when he averaged 50+.

Yet no one questions his place in the test team as he is a "senior" now

A decline in the stats does not necessarily mean he is in bad form, you shouldn't expect a wicket keeper to have an average of 50 when no one in the team except for Younis had it. Still he averages 40+ which in itself is very good. Also there have been poor batsmen like Misbah, Asad Shafiq and Babar Azam, who are playing consistently without performing at the level of Sarfraz and yet they aren't dropped or no one asks them to, Why Sarfraz?
 
Yes he's overrated in tests because he has only decently scored in UAE where it's much easier to bat on, not many notable performances overseas.

In ODI's Sarfraz has shown great potential, in the CWC 2015, and in the England tour, he has a great approach to the game as he always looks to score and that's a great boost for Pakistan. He is not a clean hitter therefore he should be ideally playing at number 5 to keep the board ticking and rebuilding if needed.

He averaged almost 60 in the recent Australia tour, which was second only to Azhar from Pakistan.
 
it would be nice to see if he has fitness yet or not. I remember him mostly huffing and puffing when he would get close to a half century.
 
His performance so far, his batting style, the look for hunger painted on his chubby face when he goes to the crease and takes his mark.

Look at his stats!

He has one list A century. That should tell you something.

I'm not saying that he's crap, but he isn't as good as some people on the forum think he is.
 
Yes Sarfraz is overrated as a batsman but more so in Tests than ODI's. However, as you said, you can't say anything about him without inciting a riot nowadays lol

tbh he did average close to 60 in the aus tour
 
tbh he did average close to 60 in the aus tour

Good that you know it now, I wonder how many Pakistani batsmen in the past had done that before, let alone Wicket Keepers. He is a very good batsman in all conditions due to his aggressive mindset.
 
A decline in the stats does not necessarily mean he is in bad form, you shouldn't expect a wicket keeper to have an average of 50 when no one in the team except for Younis had it. Still he averages 40+ which in itself is very good. Also there have been poor batsmen like Misbah, Asad Shafiq and Babar Azam, who are playing consistently without performing at the level of Sarfraz and yet they aren't dropped or no one asks them to, Why Sarfraz?

Yes a 40+ average is acceptable for a keeper but it is not the level at which Sarfraz is capable of.

Many modern day keepers were great batsman as well e.g. Gilchrist, Sanga, Dhoni (in Asia) and even Johnny Barstow is finding his groove now.

Regarding the others you mentioned.

Misbah is retired now so no point discussing him further.

Shafiq is walking on thin ice and his a** is on the line now - a few more poor games and he will be dropped for Haris , fawad or even Hafeez.

Babar is still going through his honeymoon period in tests but make no mistake - if he doesn't score big soon he will also be dropped
 
He has one list A century. That should tell you something.

I'm not saying that he's crap, but he isn't as good as some people on the forum think he is.


Agree 100%. Why do u want to keep on shoving minnow bashers in Malik,Hafeez and Sarfraz are a good middle order,Babar bats well with Lefties,Him and Sharjeel and now Zaman

I don't see why Harris is classed as a saviour,Just another Pakistani batsman in my book
 
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Shafiq is a good enough player to be backed

He has far too much investment time to look back,50 odd tests an average of 40,If I were the PCB I would be in no rush to replace batsmen.

2 vacancies

Bring in Usman salahuddin
And an alrounder or an opener
 
Yes a 40+ average is acceptable for a keeper but it is not the level at which Sarfraz is capable of.

Many modern day keepers were great batsman as well e.g. Gilchrist, Sanga, Dhoni (in Asia) and even Johnny Barstow is finding his groove now.

Regarding the others you mentioned.

Misbah is retired now so no point discussing him further.

Shafiq is walking on thin ice and his a** is on the line now - a few more poor games and he will be dropped for Haris , fawad or even Hafeez.

Babar is still going through his honeymoon period in tests but make no mistake - if he doesn't score big soon he will also be dropped

I know he is capable of scoring much bigger than he is scoring nowadays in Test cricket but there are several reasons behind it.

First of all he is batting too low to score like Sanga and Gilchrist, to have a 50+ average at one stage of his career was outrageous with the fact that he bats with tail enders which adds a lot of pressure on him, which sometimes provoke him to make a mistake and give his wicket away when he could have scored much more.

Secondly, our tail enders are poor by the standards of even tail enders, they have been walking wickets in the past who don't support him at all.

Thirdly, he rightfully has the ability to score big and be one of the batsman for Pakistan in Tests if he bats at 4/5 bating position which will allow him to play without pressure.

Fourthly, I truly think he will come out of his linear pat form in batting with the added responsibility of captaincy and the confidence he must have now in him.

Also why are you expecting him to score like greats when you don't consider him to be one?
 
Haris Sohail is extremely overrated on this forum.

That's true. I have seen his games in the past and found him to be serious lacking the skill to counter attack the opposition and for some inexplicable reasons he gets bogged down in between which has hurt the team.
 
I would prefer Babar opening and Haris at 3 if Haris has found his touch. He looked out of sorts and rusty during PSL which was the last I saw of him. I know he scored a century in Pakistan Cup but didn't see it so can't say how his form is. Similar thing with Umar Amin, when these two are in form you can see it with their body language and confidence.
 
You know who's really overrated as an ODI batsman? Ya boy Sarfraz Ahmed. Someone had to say it. But yes, I know, he is untouchable these days. Note: I didn't say anything bad about his captaincy, just batsmanship.

Haris Sohail should've been playing for us much much sooner. Starting from 2013. Wasted 2 years rotting in domestics, his peak at 24-25.

As for opening, I'd rather have Amin give a shot and displace Hafeez at 4 with Haris. Haris showed potential with the ball as well, and by now he'd be a very handy part timer or maybe even bat-AR like Amir Sohail.

No one says Sarfraz is our best batsman except for pundits like Vaughan etc.
What we fans say is he is the best wicketkeeper batsman in Pakistan. I challenge anyone to find a better wicket keeper batsman in Pakistan. You can choose your Rizwans , Umair Masoods , Saifullah Bangashs, Mohammad Hassans , Umar Siddiques etc.

Captaincy has a main role in cricket. Sarfraz Ahmed (captain+keeper+batsman) provides great value no matter how doubters/haters deny it. The same team which was destroyed for 444, 300+ scores restricted oppositions for 220s under Sarfi's captaincy. The same team which was struggling to qualify for world cup won the CT under his captaincy. Same team which had only 1 player in top 20 odi (batting/bowling) rankings thrived under him.


Regarding Haris, He was in top form during 2011/2012 seasons in first class and scored runs in difficult conditions. The conditions in which Harry scored were different to which likes of Fawad Alam scored. Should have been drafted into the test side right there over likes of Shafiq who at best is a ~45 test avg batsman while Haris is potential ~55 test avg batsman. 5 years wasted.
 
You know who's really overrated as an ODI batsman? Ya boy Sarfraz Ahmed. Someone had to say it. But yes, I know, he is untouchable these days. Note: I didn't say anything bad about his captaincy, just batsmanship.

Haris Sohail should've been playing for us much much sooner. Starting from 2013. Wasted 2 years rotting in domestics, his peak at 24-25.

As for opening, I'd rather have Amin give a shot and displace Hafeez at 4 with Haris. Haris showed potential with the ball as well, and by now he'd be a very handy part timer or maybe even bat-AR like Amir Sohail.

Lol, so your answer to Haris being over rated is no, there is someone else who is over rated which is Sarfraz. Rather than coming up with a defence of Haris Sohail you would rather criticise Sarfraz, someone who is averaging 40+ as a test batsman and 30 odd in ODIs. Would you rather play Kamran Akmal?
 
You know why Sarfraz is classed as a good player

Because his runs have come in difficult situations,Sarfraz hardly ever disappoints,That hundred at lords then that 90 at Cardiff,Before the World Cup,Sarfraz looked out of place and was a Test match keeper,But something clicked and I still remember that South Africa game where he played beutifully then Against Ireland,Ever since then Sarfraz hasn't looked back.I really want him at No 5 in Tests
 
Lol, so your answer to Haris being over rated is no, there is someone else who is over rated which is Sarfraz. Rather than coming up with a defence of Haris Sohail you would rather criticise Sarfraz, someone who is averaging 40+ as a test batsman and 30 odd in ODIs. Would you rather play Kamran Akmal?

Not just 30 odd, it is 36.53 to be exact in ODIs at a strike rate of almost 90, which is brilliant in itself to be Wicket Keeper and have these numbers as a batsman. Also from last year's England series his numbers have been unbelievable as he average's 70.62 with a strike rate of 93.54.
 
Not just 30 odd, it is 36.53 to be exact in ODIs at a strike rate of almost 90, which is brilliant in itself to be Wicket Keeper and have these numbers as a batsman. Also from last year's England series his numbers have been unbelievable as he average's 70.62 with a strike rate of 93.54.

Yea I did not check the numbers but it was what I remembered off the top of my head.
 
Yes lets drop players who have earned their spot and helped us win an ICC CT Trophy, this is the same blind fandom and nonsensical rhetoric which advocates the greatness of chokers who feast on scoring soft runs :kohli
 
Yes lets drop players who have earned their spot and helped us win an ICC CT Trophy, this is the same blind fandom and nonsensical rhetoric which advocates the greatness of chokers who feast on scoring soft runs :kohli

Haha you never miss an opportunity to bring Kohli into a discussion.
 
Haha you never miss an opportunity to bring Kohli into a discussion.

It's just facts, some Pakistani have an inferior complex; but that's their bad habit, they like to trash those who do well and live in a fantasy world where every insect that is not in the team is the better option. Am of the view non-performing players should be dropped but it is beyond nonsensical to get rid of those who have earned their spot, after a long time we've forged a bit of chemistry between our opening pair which resulted in multiple 100+ partnerships during crunch games and we want to destroy that :facepalm:

At the very least people should pursue these arguments once they become valid.
 
No he's not.

He is perfectly rated but surprised that a lot have forgotten about him.

Harris is the 3rd best Pakistani batsman to come out of Pakistan after Miandad and Babar Azam.

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail? What about Inzi, Yousuf, Younis Khan, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik, Saeed Anwar, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohamed, Sadiq Mohamed, Basif Ali etc etc.

I can't believe I have seen a post claiming these 2 are the best batsmen after Miandad. Ridiculous.
 
Babar Azam and Haris Sohail? What about Inzi, Yousuf, Younis Khan, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik, Saeed Anwar, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohamed, Sadiq Mohamed, Basif Ali etc etc.

I can't believe I have seen a post claiming these 2 are the best batsmen after Miandad. Ridiculous.

Oh my God,just saw that gem :)))

If he had said they were the most talented that would have made slightly more sense [MENTION=131539]CricFan2012[/MENTION]

On topic though,Haris is definitely talented and a good player.He should get a run of games provided he is match fit.
 
Oh my God,just saw that gem :)))

If he had said they were the most talented that would have made slightly more sense [MENTION=131539]CricFan2012[/MENTION]

On topic though,Haris is definitely talented and a good player.He should get a run of games provided he is match fit.
My bad bro, I meant exactly that, they have the hunger, talent, potential, technique to be 2nd and 3rd respectively.

After Miandad the rest of the batsmen never really stood up. No one else was that good in tournaments, against good bowling attacks. Babar and Harris look like batsmen who can do this.
 
My bad bro, I meant exactly that, they have the hunger, talent, potential, technique to be 2nd and 3rd respectively.

After Miandad the rest of the batsmen never really stood up. No one else was that good in tournaments, against good bowling attacks. Babar and Harris look like batsmen who can do this.
The innings Inzi played in the SF of the 92 WC,the day Babar and/or Haris play even a similar innings,then I will admit and accept that they have 'stood up'.
 
The innings Inzi played in the SF of the 92 WC,the day Babar and/or Haris play even a similar innings,then I will admit and accept that they have 'stood up'.
Thats the thing, it was just 1 innings. Babar and Harris can play consistently good cricket, and can win another World Cup for us
 
Thats the thing, it was just 1 innings. Babar and Harris can play consistently good cricket, and can win another World Cup for us

InSha Allah

That one single innings is still better than any innings Babar or Haris have played yet though.Haris has played in a WC,in 2015 and he didn't exactly set the world on fire.Neither did Babar in the CT yet.Hopefully they can do so in the future.
 
My bad bro, I meant exactly that, they have the hunger, talent, potential, technique to be 2nd and 3rd respectively.

After Miandad the rest of the batsmen never really stood up. No one else was that good in tournaments, against good bowling attacks. Babar and Harris look like batsmen who can do this.

I find it strange that the only measure of success for some people is World Cups. Any how even in WCs guys like Saeed Anwar have performed very well. Ramiz Raja has 3 100s and the highest average in WCs, does that mean he is better than the likes of Inzi or Zaheer Abbas. Same goes for Aamir Sohail who has outperformed a lot of better batsmen than him in WCs.

There is very little evidence to suggest Haris can be the 2nd best batsman in Pakistan after Miandad. Babar has some 100s under his belt and a high average already and will end up as a good player but still to claim he is the best after Miandad is strange at this point in time. Going by your theory Babar should have been the top run-scorer for Pakistan in the CT but he could not.
 
Would rather have him at #4.

Azhar has shown the will to adapt and found a partner who compliments his style. Would give him some more chances. Sharjeel, if cleared, would be an automatic backup; if not, we can experiment with Sahibzada Farhan.
 
Haris Sohail - is not an opener that our team needs.


1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam / Azhar Ali (Depending on form – competition will bring the best out of them)
4. Haris Sohail
5. Mohammad Hafeez / Shoaib Malik (Depending on form – competition will bring the best out of them)
6. Sarfaraz Ahmed
7. Imad Waseem / Fahim Ashraf ( Depending on the wicket)
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Hassan Ali
11. Junaid Khan / Rumman Raees (Depending on form – competition will bring the best out of them)
 
What a horrible idea... Harris will crumble. I don't know why some people are so fond of him. Azhar is clearly the better bat in the long run.
 
I know where is OP going with this. Harris is basically an upgraded version of Azhar. Good against swing and seam but can bat at better strike rate.

This said, I think in the long term Babar is more suitable for opener's slot. He is capable of playing an anchor role. Harris can replace Hafeez and bat at #3 or #4.
 
going through this thread it bothers me that people are saying Azhar is adapating when his strike rate in the CT was the same as his career strike rate : 74

A good team improves even on a high, our bowling will not always be there to save us
 
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/318788.html

Haris was rising until he got injured, and at least he doesn't bat selfishly.

Batting selfishly ? Are you going to back that up? I don't think I can ever remember Azam batting selfishly. He's a number 3 batsman who's role is to bat through the innings. When he needs to accelerate he does, or gets out.

Take the last game against India. A selfish batsman would have easily knocked it around for a 50 but he chose to hit big, ultimately sacrificing his wicket.

Smh some fans deserve players like Afridi.
 
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