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Haris Sohail - Test Match Performance Watch

Should be back in ODIs :

3 Babar
4 Haris
5 Sarfaraz
6 Malik.

Malik cannot play long innings now. He should be used as an accelerator at 6. We should say goodbye to Hafeez now.
 
Have always liked him.

He is thousand times better compared to Babar.
 
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Looks really good already. He should be back in ODI's if he has back into this form. He was our best bat until Harris came in. Just strengthens our team even more.
 
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Malik and Haris have similar techniques although Haris plays pace better
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
But but but Haris hasnt played first class for 3 years., they said. Absolutely clueless!
On potential Haris is the best test batsman in Pakistan and one of the best in world. Unlucky to miss his peak 5 years.

Should bat at no 3!
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That was thanks to Waqar and Misbah, they did not invested in right kind of players. Other than Azhar(who was also introduced before Misbah) and Sarfraz, I don't see a single player that can be considered good investment...

Shafiq, Hafeez, Shezad and long list of nobody bowlers(Imran, Rahat, Zulfi, Cheema, Sohail, etc)...What an utter pile of garbage we had in last 10 years...But only part of blame goes to Misbah/Waqar, half of the issue is UAE and not playing at home...PSL has pumped some oxygen in to our cricket, but test in UAE has to be fixed soon....
 
shaz619 said:
To be fair he has been injured for a while right? He keeps tearing his quad like Kevin Nash :))
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Nope, he was taken to SA tour of 2012, despite epic failures of Hafeez, they did nothing. And he was dropped for no reason after that...Not only that, we were spanked by Herath in those days, introducing a lefty middle order would have helped a lot, again he was not trusted by Misbah...

Harris was such a stand out star in 2010-2014, there was no match other than Alam. That was the time to invested in him...He still may play for 10 years, but one cannot forgive Misbah/Waqar for such poor thinking...I don't rate both of them when it comes to "eye for talent", they just did not have in them :facepalm:
 
yasir said:
Nope, he was taken to SA tour of 2012, despite epic failures of Hafeez, they did nothing. And he was dropped for no reason after that...Not only that, we were spanked by Herath in those days, introducing a lefty middle order would have helped a lot, again he was not trusted by Misbah...

Harris was such a stand out star in 2010-2014, there was no match other than Alam. That was the time to invested in him...He still may play for 10 years, but one cannot forgive Misbah/Waqar for such poor thinking...I don't rate both of them when it comes to "eye for talent", they just did not have in them :facepalm:
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Thing is he probably wouldn't have opened the batting so there was no way he'd replace Hafeez, Khan came in at no.4 and Misbah at no.5. Who would you have envisioned him replacing realistically ? There's a chance he'd have been a better performer then Shafiq by now if we'd have invested as much time in him though but we can't criticise them for backing Shafiq in those days
 
Congrats to harry🎉 a wonderful player. Can't wait to hear his praise in England next year because he's bound to be our best player along with azhar there.
 
shaz619 said:
Thing is he probably wouldn't have opened the batting so there was no way he'd replace Hafeez, Khan came in at no.4 and Misbah at no.5. Who would you have envisioned him replacing realistically ? There's a chance he'd have been a better performer then Shafiq by now if we'd have invested as much time in him though but we can't criticise them for backing Shafiq in those days
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Even in SA, Azhar played more new balls than any other batsman, they could have promoted him to opener and harry at one down, that worked last year, didn't it? This could have created much better balance, they were playing tail under as openers which was neither here or there. As a coach you make room for better players, look for future...There was no reason to persist with Hafeez or Shezad, who were not opener...Azhar's best skill is to blunt new ball, he is not dynamic enough to be one down, that is another misstep...One thing is obvious time and again, Pakistanis don't understand batting, they don't know who to pick and how to building a unit...Waqar and Misbah were some of the worse, there were selfish reason too, they stayed 2/3 years longer then required, made more mess in the process...
 
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yasir said:
Even in SA, Azhar played more new balls than any other batsman, they could have promoted him to opener and harry at one down, that worked last year, didn't it? This could have created much better balance, they were playing tail under as openers which was neither here or there. As a coach you make room for better players, look for future...There was no reason to persist with Hafeez or Shezad, who were not opener...Azhar's best skill is to blunt new ball, he is not dynamic enough to be one down, that is another misstep...One thing is obvious time and again, Pakistanis don't understand batting, they don't know who to pick and how to building a unit...Waqar and Misbah were some of the worse, there were selfish reason too, they stayed 2/3 years longer then required, made more mess in the process...
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Azhar is back at no.3 now, his best position ideally is as an opener but no one had the foresight to have him in that slot. I could only have seen Sohail coming in realistically if Misbah/Yk retired and now that they have he has come into the team immediately.
 
If haris was batting at 4, Pakistan would have been in a better position.
 
Pretty decent debut performance from him, only player who looked class in the 2nd innings as well but got out to a very good delivery unfortunately.
 
He has looked superb.

Cool and calm at the crease.

So much time to play his shots and has looked on a different level to Babar, Asad, Shan, Sami and Sarfaraz.
 
Saj said:
He has looked superb.

Cool and calm at the crease.

So much time to play his shots and has looked on a different level to Babar, Asad, Shan, Sami and Sarfaraz.
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I hope(more than just hope) Harris bat's at #4 in next innings, this will be good for Azhar as well. There partnership up the order going to be key, when you are already 4/5 down, its too late :(
 
He still has that habit of looking spectacular and scoring a superb fifty and then getting out. He had that problem in ODI cricket and seems to have carried that over to test match cricket.
 
Syed1 said:
He still has that habit of looking spectacular and scoring a superb fifty and then getting out. He had that problem in ODI cricket and seems to have carried that over to test match cricket.
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He would have scored his first century in the first test if he didn’t bat with the tail.
 
Syed1 said:
He still has that habit of looking spectacular and scoring a superb fifty and then getting out. He had that problem in ODI cricket and seems to have carried that over to test match cricket.
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his fitness is not good enough that why he throws his wicket away..
 
Syed1 said:
He still has that habit of looking spectacular and scoring a superb fifty and then getting out. He had that problem in ODI cricket and seems to have carried that over to test match cricket.
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If he was allowed to bat in the top four (ideally at three) this wouldn't be a problem.
 
Be interesting how they fit him to the odi xi

Will Hafeez go back to opening ?

Hafeez
Zaman
Babar
Sohail
Malik
Sarfraz
 
Harris at 3, Usman at 4 and Fawad at 4 is quite a middle order. Probably induct Umar Akmal too if Shafiq continues his dismal run.
 
Jabo said:
Be interesting how they fit him to the odi xi

Will Hafeez go back to opening ?

Hafeez
Zaman
Babar
Sohail
Malik
Sarfraz
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Hafeez with all his mediocrity is still miles better than Shahzad, plus his bowling is an added advantage. Sharjeel was doing quite good barring the fixing scandal, and we decided to select Imam-ul-Haq's 74 SR as his replacement.
 
What a handy bowler lol sarfaraz should have bowled him more.
 
Can't believe he wasn't utilized properly in the first innings or even the second. He's already looking like a very good all rounder for Pakistan.
 
Madplayer said:
What a handy bowler lol sarfaraz should have bowled him more.
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The thing about part timers is that you need them for the surprise factor, they can't and should not bowl more. Similar to how Ponting used Marcus North in Tests, he took a 6 fer when used a surprise weapon, but was very average when used as a full time spinner in Ashes later in 2010.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
The thing about part timers is that you need them for the surprise factor, they can't and should not bowl more. Similar to how Ponting used Marcus North in Tests, he took a 6 fer when used a surprise weapon, but was very average when used as a full time spinner in Ashes later in 2010.
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But Pakistan were playing with 1 spinner on these tracks. He should have bowled more on these pitches which assist spinners.
 
IAJ said:
Lol Akmal?
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For those who follow cricket outside of PP / media, Akmal was a decent bat in tests with exploits in conditions where Pakistani batsmen traditionally fail. Plus he has an FC average of 44. He was never good enough for ODIs (his List-A average was and is ordinary).
 
Madplayer said:
But Pakistan were playing with 1 spinner on these tracks. He should have bowled more on these pitches which assist spinners.
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That's a tactical blunder. If the captain and coach play a single spinner on such a pitch, they clearly think it's a seamer's pitch rather than spinner's
 
asfandyar said:
For those who follow cricket outside of PP / media, Akmal was a decent bat in tests with exploits in conditions where Pakistani batsmen traditionally fail. Plus he has an FC average of 44. He was never good enough for ODIs (his List-A average was and is ordinary).
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He used to be a totally different batsmen back in 2009-2011. Afterwards, he sold his brain for some peanuts.
His last 2-3 years in FC cricket, there have been no centuries i think. He just whacks everything now and succumbs. That Akmal might never come back sadly.
 
Please don't try to make him an all-rounder.

It's okay for him to bowl now and again but he needs to play as a top order batsman.
 
I have high expectations from Haris in these 3 tests

He has scored 2 fifty-plus knocks against Northants,so looks in good touch.However the English bowling lineup will provide a sterner test.
 
I love watching this guy bat.

There is a lazy elegance about him. He has so much time to play his shots and in my opinion he has the best technique of all of the current Pakistani batsmen.
 
Best player of swing, seam and express pace bowling in the world along with Kane Williamson even after losing his peak years.

Keep on shining Harry <3
 
"Best player."

My foot. Can't wait to bump this thread when he fails. :ba
 
zain7077 said:
Why wasted? Don't batsman tend to peak from 28-33 years
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Yar he has fitness issues so would have been better if we had tried him when he was in peak form in domestics.

He has world class written all over him since his early 20s.

There was a match played here at Diamond ground where Haris scored a big hundred and second best batsman (top 6) from both sides couldn't even cross 30. The class he showed in that innings, should have just included him on that performance. I think it happened in 2011.
 
Apart from the cringeworthy nonsense of him being the best player of swing and seam in the world, he is clearly the best long format batsman in Pakistan at the moment, and it has been obvious for quite some time.

However, being the best batsman in Pakistan does not really mean anything; our batting standards are rubbish.

He is more dynamic than Azhar and has better temperament and a stronger defense than Babar and Shafiq. He is the right candidate for the number 3 position for now. Unlike Azhar and Shafiq, he has the ability to maintain a 50+ SR throughout the innings, and you need your number 3 to bat at that tempo.
 
Mamoon said:
Apart from the cringeworthy nonsense of him being the best player of swing and seam in the world, he is clearly the best long format batsman in Pakistan at the moment,
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So you keep attacking other poster's opinion in every 2nd post of yours aur phir tumhe koi attention seeker kh dai to yar rona shoro ho jatay ho. Brave ho to direct bola karo.
 
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Mamoon said:
Apart from the cringeworthy nonsense of him being the best player of swing and seam in the world, he is clearly the best long format batsman in Pakistan at the moment, and it has been obvious for quite some time.

However, being the best batsman in Pakistan does not really mean anything; our batting standards are rubbish.

He is more dynamic than Azhar and has better temperament and a stronger defense than Babar and Shafiq. He is the right candidate for the number 3 position for now. Unlike Azhar and Shafiq, he has the ability to maintain a 50+ SR throughout the innings, and you need your number 3 to bat at that tempo.
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Don't worry every player in India is better then him Dime dozen.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
So you keep attacking other poster's opinion in every 2nd post of yours aur phir tumhe koi attention seeker kh dai to yar rona shoro ho jatay ho. Brave ho to direct bola karo.
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I do not want to engage with you because you have a history of diluting the discussion by labelling other people trolls and attention-seekers. I am happy to engage with you if you have learned your lesson, but it appears that you have not.

However, if you are offended by me quoting your statement implicitly, then I apologize. My intention was not to hurt your feelings. We can agree to let bygones be bygones if you agree to stay on topic without resorting to ad hominem, or we can also agree to walk down our own paths by ignoring each others posts. Your call.
 
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Khan12 said:
Don't worry every player in India is better then him Dime dozen.
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Not every, but India knows how to produce their batsmen and how to develop them. Their 20-21 year old batsmen are mentally and technically well ahead of our experienced players.

Both Haris and Babar could have achieved a lot if they were groomed in the Indian setup, playing domestic cricket in Pakistan has hampered their development. However, they are still very good for our lowly standards, and we should be patient with Babar in Test cricket.

Both of these players need to play all matches in all formats (except T20s for Haris) in a fixed position. Considering the situation we find ourselves in, that is the only sensible thing to do.

In Tests, Haris at 3 and Babar at 4; In ODIs, Babar at 3 and Haris at 4.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Best player of swing, seam and express pace bowling in the world along with Kane Williamson even after losing his peak years.

Keep on shining Harry <3
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Lookin at your post i thoght u r talking about a player who is well established in Test cricket with atleast few thousand runs and couple of 100s under his belt..so out of curiosity i checked his numbers and i saw this
Test : 2
Runs : 207
Avg: 41
100s : 0
50s : 2

This called Astonishingly overhyping a player
 
Best player of swing, seam, and express pace bowling in the world... :(
 
Peshwa said:
Lookin at your post i thoght u r talking about a player who is well established in Test cricket with atleast few thousand runs and couple of 100s under his belt..so out of curiosity i checked his numbers and i saw this
Test : 2
Runs : 207
Avg: 41
100s : 0
50s : 2

This called Astonishingly overhyping a player
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Thats my opinion after seeing him and others bat and if its overhyping for you then i cant do anything!
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Thats my opinion after seeing him and others bat and if its overhyping for you then i cant do anything!
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I respect ur opinion but u need to back it with some stat n numbers...no doubt he is great prospect but calling him best player of swing and seam bowling is nothing but overhyping
 
Peshwa said:
I respect ur opinion but u need to back it with some stat n numbers...no doubt he is great prospect but calling him best player of swing and seam bowling is nothing but overhyping
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He hasn't played enough international matches till now so i cant give international stats but the opinion is based after seeing him on some of the most difficult pitches in domestic and against good attacks.

Plus when you say best, you compare him with others. Coming to test matches, there is serious lack of quality of batsmen against swing, seam and thats why i rate him right up there along with Kane Williamson and Shai Hope plus like Kane his game is pretty good against express pace too. The last one I rated highly against seam and swing was Dravid even-though there were better overall players than him.

I like him and think he has great potential to serve Pakistan and join World elite test batsmen, may be its overhyping for you but I am fine with it.
 
Mamoon said:
Not every, but India knows how to produce their batsmen and how to develop them. Their 20-21 year old batsmen are mentally and technically well ahead of our experienced players.

Both Haris and Babar could have achieved a lot if they were groomed in the Indian setup, playing domestic cricket in Pakistan has hampered their development. However, they are still very good for our lowly standards, and we should be patient with Babar in Test cricket.

Both of these players need to play all matches in all formats (except T20s for Haris) in a fixed position. Considering the situation we find ourselves in, that is the only sensible thing to do.

In Tests, Haris at 3 and Babar at 4; In ODIs, Babar at 3 and Haris at 4.
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I'm not convinced Haris Sohail has the game to bat at a SR of 85+, I think he would be a better opener given his ability to play shots all round the wicket and take advantage of the powerplay. Only thing is Pakistan will have 2 openers who are left handed.

Ideally at number 4 Sarfraz needs to be batting there as he's not an opener of a hitter but an useful accumulator when he's fit because he runs well between the wickets.
 
He isn't one of the best players in the world when it comes to play pace bowling. How can you come to such conclusion when he hasn't played a test in such conditions ?

By Pakistan standards he's a very good batsmen. I worry about his fitness to get big scores though.
 
Abdul said:
"Best player."

My foot. Can't wait to bump this thread when he fails. :ba
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You can't wait to bump a thread when a player representing Pakistan fails? That's not a very good mentality.
 
ArsenalFC said:
I'm not convinced Haris Sohail has the game to bat at a SR of 85+, I think he would be a better opener given his ability to play shots all round the wicket and take advantage of the powerplay. Only thing is Pakistan will have 2 openers who are left handed.

Ideally at number 4 Sarfraz needs to be batting there as he's not an opener of a hitter but an useful accumulator when he's fit because he runs well between the wickets.
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I agree with this. Haris should open in LOI if he is gonna bat at 3 in Tests. Similar to what Amla does.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
He hasn't played enough international matches till now so i cant give international stats but the opinion is based after seeing him on some of the most difficult pitches in domestic and against good attacks.

Plus when you say best, you compare him with others. Coming to test matches, there is serious lack of quality of batsmen against swing, seam and thats why i rate him right up there along with Kane Williamson and Shai Hope plus like Kane his game is pretty good against express pace too. The last one I rated highly against seam and swing was Dravid even-though there were better overall players than him.

I like him and think he has great potential to serve Pakistan and join World elite test batsmen, may be its overhyping for you but I am fine with it.
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You saying shai hope is a better batsman against pace than rahane,who has a much larger sample space than him.
There are dozens of player better than shai hope against pace bowling.
Your posts lacks credibility.
I thought pakistanis will give up overhyping a player after the umar akmal, ahmad shehzad saga but no u won't.
Haris is a good player from what i saw of him in but way to overhyped by ppers.
Azhar ali is ur best player by a country mile.
U need to accept it.
 
hadi123 said:
You can't wait to bump a thread when a player representing Pakistan fails? That's not a very good mentality.
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He also mentioned in another post that he wants Mickey sacked and Sarfraz dropped. I mean some Misbah fan.boys have stooped to some real lows since his retirement.
 
While Haris is definitely the best player of swing/seam in the Pakistan team, he needs to stop throwing his wicket away when settled. He has temperament issues which needs sorted.
 
Mamoon said:
Not every, but India knows how to produce their batsmen and how to develop them. Their 20-21 year old batsmen are mentally and technically well ahead of our experienced players.

Both Haris and Babar could have achieved a lot if they were groomed in the Indian setup, playing domestic cricket in Pakistan has hampered their development. However, they are still very good for our lowly standards, and we should be patient with Babar in Test cricket.

Both of these players need to play all matches in all formats (except T20s for Haris) in a fixed position. Considering the situation we find ourselves in, that is the only sensible thing to do.

In Tests, Haris at 3 and Babar at 4; In ODIs, Babar at 3 and Haris at 4.
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Yep. They are the future stalwarts of the two longer formats, Haris and Babar could be similar to Faf and Ross T, not absolute world beaters but still two very good batsmen in a bowling side.

Sarfraz’s batting has been dissappointing, he’s not de Kock but he is capable of a lot more runs...
 
Mamoon said:
However, if you are offended by me quoting your statement implicitly, then I apologize. My intention was not to hurt your feelings. We can agree to let bygones be bygones
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Hey I am sorry and apologize agr koi baat buri lagi ho. No hard feelings from my side.
I really thought that you troll sometimes and your habit of indirectly quoting statements of others is to seek attention. But if thats strictly our opinion than so be it.

Its just that you and me have complete opposite opinions here, you think that our cricket will remain mediocre as we dont have the system etc and I think that even without a healthy system we will produce talented cricketers who can compete with world's best and bright times are ahead for our cricket as long as we have Arthur, Sarfraz and some other good people who think for Pakistan cricket first are close to the team.

Kher once again I apologize if i offended you. Nothing personal :) You can quote etc me whenever you want.
 
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I have high hopes from him in both the formats. He is the only shining light I see in this batting lineup.
 
ArsenalFC said:
He also mentioned in another post that he wants Mickey sacked and Sarfraz dropped. I mean some Misbah fan.boys have stooped to some real lows since his retirement.
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There is no problem in supporting and liking Misbah. To each his own choice.

The problem is in their love for Misbah they want Pak team and youngsters to perform horribly so that Misbah will always look good and superior. I dont understand what kind of thinking is this, so you want Pakistan to perform pathetically so that you can glorify Misbah even after 2 yeas of his retirement? What about moving on and appreciating and supporting new ones, may be they can perform better than Misbah which in turn will be good for Pakistan cricket. No?

I remember the harsh criticism I got for supporting Sarfraz before CT and saying he will lead us to Global trophy win. And all along the CT some die heart Misbah fans wished Pakistan don't win the CT as it will make Misbah look bad and will hurt their ego. What kind of logic is that. May be for once we start evolving and start hoping that the new ones perform even better which in turn means progress for Pak cricket.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
There is no problem in supporting and liking Misbah. To each his own choice.

The problem is in their love for Misbah they want Pak team and youngsters to perform horribly so that Misbah will always look good and superior. I dont understand what kind of thinking is this, so you want Pakistan to perform pathetically so that you can glorify Misbah even after 2 yeas of his retirement? What about moving on and appreciating and supporting new ones, may be they can perform better than Misbah which in turn will be good for Pakistan cricket. No?

I remember the harsh criticism I got for supporting Sarfraz before CT and saying he will lead us to Global trophy win. And all along the CT some die heart Misbah fans wished Pakistan don't win the CT as it will make Misbah look bad and will hurt their ego. What kind of logic is that. May be for once we start evolving and start hoping that the new ones perform even better which in turn means progress for Pak cricket.
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Firstly thumbs up for seeing the win before everyone else. Unfortunately they are a bigger Misbah fan than a Pakistan one, so the success and results following his retirement in LOIs leaves a very bitter taste in their mouth.

Also after Islamabad won the PSL couple of months ago they had a lot to say with the chest thumping which was not only funny but also embarrassing really because a) he didn't play in the final and quite a few other games and b) how can anyone still want him to play in the PSL at the expense of someone far more worthy?
 
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