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Haris Sohail's 147 off 421 balls. What purpose has this knock served for Pakistan?

He came at like 25/2, and situation demanded to buy out time, therefore can’t blame him much on Day 1. But, Day 2 batting was vulgar- particularly after reaching 100. Also, if PAK had a plan to declare after 167 overs, then they should have instructed Harris/abs at to speed up after lunch. PAK easily could have been all out for 500 in 167 overs.
 
Pakistan didn't have the entire batting line-up waiting to bat, it was just Sarfraz. Haris or Babar falling in either of the first two sessions could have easily triggered another collapse. By playing risk-free cricket they ensured Pakistan had 400+ on the board which is always a challenging first innings total regardless of conditions or pitch.

Pakistan were in a good position after day 1. No point really in tuk-tuking on day 2 when Haris got a hundred and Babar had also got set till then. What is more scaring is that they didn't even scored quick runs when eventually the plan was to declare in the evening. A 410/5 would have been a 475/7 without any doubt here.

Nevertheless, a good inning by Harris and Babar but this is not an inning that doesn't deserve criticism.
 
What a weird logic lol Australia bossed the world by scoring 350 to 400 runs in a day.You give yourself as many overs as possible to bowl teams out. Now Pakistan has 3 days to take 20 wickets. THey might take. But there is also a chance they could take the lead and put pressure on Pakistan in the 2nd innings. Imagine Pak getting bowled out for 120 odd in the 2nd innings.

looks like everyone has comprehension issues.

Read the whole post. Try to understand what i wrote..

HINT:

UAE PITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
looks like everyone has comprehension issues.

Read the whole post. Try to understand what i wrote..

HINT:

UAE PITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mate everyone is bound to have comprehension issues when you defend this lethargic approach with an arrogant response such as ‘Kids watching Test cricket’ and how you would take 300 off 800 deliveries in the UAE. 300 runs in 140 odd overs is criminal considering Pakistan do not have YK and Misbah to bail them out here and there.

What NZ will do now Is try and bat the next 5-6 sessions and get themselves in a position where they cannot lose the match and take a lead of 150 runs. You think they will show any remorse when Pakistan made them field for 160+ overs scoring at 2.5 runs per over? My prediction is right here and so is yours, we will see which kid has a better understanding of the game and UAE pitches!
 
Average scoring rate batting 1st in UAE is around 3+ for 90 overs faced.. which means batting near enough 170 overs we should have got 500+.. 100 runs below par.. not 50/60.. it was pathetic none directional batting effort. If this was final test and we were 1-0 up maybe, but we aint.

A total of 470 would have been acceptable. Not great but acceptable.
 
The next prodigy. :))

Make no Mistake, Babar Azam is indeed the next prodigy. A gun player improving with each game. He seems to have gone uncredited but he played a very good innings at a very good pace today

Only time will tell how valuable Harris’s innings was today.
 
Clearly your goal is point scoring and defending the borderline indefensible instead of seeing and evaluating an innings in its own context. Good luck, and enjoy your 7th rank in a sport played by 10 nations.

Clearly you need to watch more test cricket or avoid watching any at all. Only that could explain you calling an innings "indefensible" after two days of play.
 
This is because Australia batted first and set up 450 on board. In process, India had a middle order collapse and they were 328/6, and with them batting last, obviously Pujara had to go to his stone-wall performance and the best India could think from there is to draw, which is what Pujara did there.

First inning runs are easier than scoring runs in second innings with scoreboard pressure and also the fact that you have in mind that you will have to bat last as well.

My point was that it was a great innings. Yes, context is very different but by occupying time at the crease and making the Australians toil, Pujara put India in a position where they could dictate terms .

Scoring in the first innings is easy if your openers lay the foundation. But at 25-2 that wasn't exactly the case.
 
Pakistan were in a good position after day 1. No point really in tuk-tuking on day 2 when Haris got a hundred and Babar had also got set till then. What is more scaring is that they didn't even scored quick runs when eventually the plan was to declare in the evening. A 410/5 would have been a 475/7 without any doubt here.

Nevertheless, a good inning by Harris and Babar but this is not an inning that doesn't deserve criticism.

That's a bit of an overstatement. 207-4 is by no means a good position when you have Sarfraz and an unreliable tail to follow. One quick wicket could have triggered another collapse and then everybody here would have been talking about how fragile our batting line-up is or how prone it is to collapses.
 
My point was that it was a great innings. Yes, context is very different but by occupying time at the crease and making the Australians toil, Pujara put India in a position where they could dictate terms .

Scoring in the first innings is easy if your openers lay the foundation. But at 25-2 that wasn't exactly the case.
These type of innings will kill the audience love towards test cricket
 
These type of innings will kill the audience love towards test cricket

Well I've got news for you pal: nobody cares. Test cricket is a centuries old game and it will continue for centuries more. Doesn't matter if it's played in empty stadiums in UAE or packed houses in England. There will always be an audience. These kind of innings are exactly why some of us watch test cricket and if people are having trouble staying awake they can always change the channel and watch whatever 10 over or hundred ball nonsense they're coming up with...
 
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That's a bit of an overstatement. 207-4 is by no means a good position when you have Sarfraz and an unreliable tail to follow. One quick wicket could have triggered another collapse and then everybody here would have been talking about how fragile our batting line-up is or how prone it is to collapses.

I meant after Harris got his hundred and Babar was set as well.
 
looks like everyone has comprehension issues.

Read the whole post. Try to understand what i wrote..

HINT:

UAE PITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets blame pitch when any other inns for 90+ overs batting 1st have been scored at 3 to 3.2 runs per overs in these conditions snd we snailed along at 2.5.

These wickets are great but this inns was pathetic.
 
I agree, the knock was far too slow but let's see how nz bat. Can't judge the pitch or score just yet.
 
Too early to say one way or the other. The end of this Test match will dictate the purpose and importance of Haris innings.
 
The problem is not with Azhar / Haris / Babar's slow innings in this match. It seems batting slow & don't give wickets was the team management's plan otherwise during breaks the guys would have been asked to increase run rate.

But the main point is when they had a plan to declare in the mid of the third session, then why they didn't try to score fast during their last 10-15 overs of batting.

Instead of 418/5 it could have been 470-500/8 or all out.
 
The problem is not with Azhar / Haris / Babar's slow innings in this match. It seems batting slow & don't give wickets was the team management's plan otherwise during breaks the guys would have been asked to increase run rate.

But the main point is when they had a plan to declare in the mid of the third session, then why they didn't try to score fast during their last 10-15 overs of batting.

Instead of 418/5 it could have been 470-500/8 or all out.
Agreed, it seems like it was pretty much the team plan to bat slow. So may be Haris should not get the blame.
 
I'll be honest, if you bat for 167 overs you should be scoring 480 minimum. I know we lost two early wickets and UAE pitches, being what they are, encourage attritional batting, but Haris was overly cautious. I was expecting some late surge but it never came.

I've seen us go big under Misbah before and bat for 160+ overs and you could guarantee at least 500.

It will be a tough ask to take 20 NZ wickets in 3 days.
 
I know the SR wasn't good but it was great to see Babar and Haris take the initiative and show the rest of the team how to score big hundreds. It's a start to setting the right mentality. 40-50s are not acceptable.
 
A score of 400 something after 2 days of batting on a patta is seriously a crime. Especially after Inzamam clearly pointing out the issues related to strike rate.

Let's see how NZ responds.
 
I thought he would accelerate once he got to his 100...but it's the team management's job to tell the players the plan. Clearly they were satisfied with slow innings, which shouldn't be the case.
 
After the previous Test debacle, run rate was a luxury Pakistan could hardly afford to worry about. Nevertheless, scoring 147 off 70 overs is not acceptable. Especially when no wickets were falling all day. The resuilt was that Pakistan were forced to declare about 100 short of what they should have got. Pakistan may yet win this Test but, as usual, they will make it as difficult as possible for themselves.
 
Nothing wrong with r/r nz are even poorer than pak theyl capitulate.

In the last 2 days there was not 1 WOW shot by pak batsman which would remind u of past or present greats!! Truely a no7/8 ranked side.

Capitiulate they did, how did pak shell a test to this team!!
 
Get ready to hear stuff like "it was still pretty poor, Yasir saved us" etc etc.

Been around too long now.
 
Batting was still slow and pathetic, Only thing worse has been kiwis batting!
 
After the previous Test debacle, run rate was a luxury Pakistan could hardly afford to worry about. Nevertheless, scoring 147 off 70 overs is not acceptable. Especially when no wickets were falling all day. The resuilt was that Pakistan were forced to declare about 100 short of what they should have got. Pakistan may yet win this Test but, as usual, they will make it as difficult as possible for themselves.

Had Pak tried to up the ante they would have got bowled out for around 300 due to useless tail. That score would not have added much pressure on the Kiwis. Anyhow stroke play was difficult on the pitch.
 
Batting was still slow and pathetic, Only thing worse has been kiwis batting!

You have been campaigning against Haris' innings since 2 days only to see how tough it is to bat on this wicket. Now dont tell us its an easy wicket to bat on. You dont know more than the batsmen who are batting out there. :yk
 
Lets blame pitch when any other inns for 90+ overs batting 1st have been scored at 3 to 3.2 runs per overs in these conditions snd we snailed along at 2.5.

These wickets are great but this inns was pathetic.

im not blaming the pitch. i never said that the pitch was bad for batting

what i said was by playing more balls on this pitch, you wreck the pitch enough for the team in the 4th innings.

Look at the way yasir took wickets on the spin paradise
 
You know, even if we take a step back from yasir shah cooking crow-biryaani for some of you out there, if Harris Sohail's 147 from 421 was so bad, then Mickey Arther would not have been gleefully smiling and clapping like a fan girl, rather you would have seen a ****** off arther with a grin on his face or a neutral face... rather everyone were clapping him and appreciating him on his 100 and when he returned.... now what would that tell you? Harry played as per the team plan.... so... learn to understand the happenings of the game, test matches are a complete beast unless like odi's and t20's...
 
Should still have scored 50 runs more. Like I said before you can't call 147 runs a bad innings but he should have gotten a 200 given the number of balls he faced. That would have been a great innings.
 
Should still have scored 50 runs more. Like I said before you can't call 147 runs a bad innings but he should have gotten a 200 given the number of balls he faced. That would have been a great innings.

How many times one needs to explain the team plan was to score slowly with minimal risk as Pak batting line up would implode if they take risks and we would not have even gotten 350.
 
I rate this as a very poor knock on a pitch which was slow but had no demons . He cannot even place the ball on such a dead surface & such innings are not going to help his team . This i say fully knowing hosts will win this match . Bookmark it .

Bump [ posted yesterday ] :)
 
How many times one needs to explain the team plan was to score slowly with minimal risk as Pak batting line up would implode if they take risks and we would not have even gotten 350.

200 off 421 balls isn't exactly fast batting. For a good batsmen, that's generally a pretty risk free innings.

No one is asking for a SR of 100. Just 45-50 or so would be good on a decent batting wicket. He's lucky Yasir saved them
 
Lol looks like some so called experts who were criticizing Pakistan's approach and saying that we will either lose or draw the match might have to eat their words
 
Lol looks like some so called experts who were criticizing Pakistan's approach and saying that we will either lose or draw the match might have to eat their words
Look at how people are creeping out after Yasir just bowled a blinder of a spell. Watch the same people go into hiding if Ross Taylor continues with his onslaught tomorrow and puts NZ into a commanding position

147 off 421 on a track where players have played at a strike rate of 50+ is abysmal
 
Look at how people are creeping out after Yasir just bowled a blinder of a spell. Watch the same people go into hiding if Ross Taylor continues with his onslaught tomorrow and puts NZ into a commanding position

147 off 421 on a track where players have played at a strike rate of 50+ is abysmal

He will need to bat for nearly three sessions to do that. He will probably have to do a Dravid and Laxman. Even if the Kiwis get 350 or even 400, you would expect Pakistan to get a very small total.
 
He will need to bat for nearly three sessions to do that. He will probably have to do a Dravid and Laxman. Even if the Kiwis get 350 or even 400, you would expect Pakistan to get a very small total.

You would expect Pak to get a small total? Based on what evidence? Their batsmen are mentally shot in a 4th innings
 
You would expect Pak to get a small total? Based on what evidence? Their batsmen are mentally shot in a 4th innings

they will be up for it this time..first of all i dont think we will need to make any runs but lets just say we might have to, the total wont be much. NZ havent lasted very long in any of their innings on this tour..I believe they haven't hit 300 yet if I'm not wrong??

anyway why are you being so negative on a day like today? we just bowled them out for 90!! 90 for goodness sake..and we have taken out williamson..Taylor can hit a hundred and it still may not be enough..so chill..
 
I’m not being negative I’m just defending the standpoint that I do not agree with his negative approach of 147 from 421 and then people putting him in the bracket of the best batsman of today.
 
You're 1-0 down in the series, the single most important thing is to win the test match. In order to do that you have to make sure you get a good enough first innings score to allow your rather pretty handy bowlers to bowl the opposition out twice. That is the goal. Any other goal is unnecessary and self serving. Haris went out and played to that end by taking part in two excellent partnerships. It wasn't a glorious knock, but it may well be the knock that results in the win. And that is all that matters. Good going lad. Well played.

There will be plenty of other times to satisfy the needs of the aesthetically unsatisfied. For now, bask in the glory of a dogged, functional and hopefully match winning hundred. Thumbs up.
 
How many times one needs to explain the team plan was to score slowly with minimal risk as Pak batting line up would implode if they take risks and we would not have even gotten 350.

So why was everyone else scoring at around 50 SR? Even Azhar scored at a 50 SR. No team actually plans to score at a SR of 25-30. Playing a long innings and staying at the crease for a long time is all good but there is no reason why that can't be done at a SR of around 45.
 
On the subject of slow innings, even one of the greatest had a reputation for scoring slowly.
Sunil Gavaskar once scored 36 of 174 balls in a ODI World cup game for India.
That's a scoring rate of 20.69.
 
On the subject of slow innings, even one of the greatest had a reputation for scoring slowly.
Sunil Gavaskar once scored 36 of 174 balls in a ODI World cup game for India.
That's a scoring rate of 20.69.

Uncovered wickets, Windies quicks, not enough padding, etc Gavaskar is a great of the game please dont bring that up in this discussion.

Haris batted slowly and should have paced his inning better. This thread was about complaining and constructively criticising this innings however we are well on our way to victory which does not mean that there should be no criticism.
 
Hope the purpose of his innings is now clear to all.
 
My biggest gripe is why did the likes of Azam and Sarfaraz not bat quickly and play shots for the last one hour before declaration?
 
Haris's inning was pretty slow inning and he should have accelerated after initial slow down at least after his 100. Having a strike rate of less than 35 after playing 400+ balls is definitely not welcome.

If NZ stop being so bad against Yasir and do force Pakistan to bat in 4th inning then Haris's slow inning might come back to haunt Pak. Lot of ifs though and I expect Pakistan to win this test by an inning.
 
im not blaming the pitch. i never said that the pitch was bad for batting

what i said was by playing more balls on this pitch, you wreck the pitch enough for the team in the 4th innings.

Look at the way yasir took wickets on the spin paradise

One cannot blame Harris. But one has to question when the plan was to declare midway in the 3rd session, why did they score only 62 runs in the 18 overs after tea. Thats a RR of less than 3.5 with 6 wickets in had. Surely, the target would have been more like a RR of 5. If they lost a couple of wickets, then they could have gone on to just score at 3.5. But the issue was they never tried. This is where I would blame Arthur and Sarfarz.

Other than that, it was perfectly good test match batting by Pakistan. The only thing that defies logic is the post tea play.
 
One cannot blame Harris. But one has to question when the plan was to declare midway in the 3rd session, why did they score only 62 runs in the 18 overs after tea. Thats a RR of less than 3.5 with 6 wickets in had. Surely, the target would have been more like a RR of 5. If they lost a couple of wickets, then they could have gone on to just score at 3.5. But the issue was they never tried. This is where I would blame Arthur and Sarfarz.

Other than that, it was perfectly good test match batting by Pakistan. The only thing that defies logic is the post tea play.

I am also not happy with the f/o. I think Pak should have batted again instead and take the lead up to 500 before asking NZ to bat in 4th inning. Just a bit afraid of Pak batting in 4th inning.
 
Look at how people are creeping out after Yasir just bowled a blinder of a spell. Watch the same people go into hiding if Ross Taylor continues with his onslaught tomorrow and puts NZ into a commanding position

147 off 421 on a track where players have played at a strike rate of 50+ is abysmal

LOL what are you on about mate? Only Williamson and Taylor (in this innings) played at a SR above 50. And only reason Taylor is striking in excess of 90 in this innings is because the match is as good as gone and there's no pressure on him to go out there and play some shots.

Have the common courtesy to atleast admit you have been proven wrong and learn to watch both teams bat before making premature, hyperbole statements.
 
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Y if Harris Sohail's 147 from 421 was so bad, then Mickey Arther would not have been gleefully smiling and clapping like a fan girl, rather you would have seen a ****** off arther with a grin on his face or a neutral face...

I don't know what match you were watching, but I never saw this.

There was no special focus on Arthur by the cameramen. Certainly no shots of him "gleefully smiling and clapping like a fan girl".
 
Hope the purpose of his innings is now clear to all.

Some posters will eat their shoe before admitting Haris Sohail played an innings that batted New Zealand out of the game. To them this pitch is still a batting paradise where you can easily bat on at 5 an over
 
People are trying to justify a s/r of 34 after 400 balls because Yasir managed to tear NZ apart? Did Haris know this was going to happen and so was content to score so slowly?

Haris played a good knock for his first few hundred balls, but should have picked it up a lot for his last few hundred balls. Babar played well, Azhar too.
 
LOL what are you on about mate? Only Williamson and Taylor (in this innings) played at a SR above 50. And only reason Taylor is striking in excess of 90 in this innings is because the match is as good as gone and there's no pressure on him to go out there and play some shots.

Have the common courtesy to atleast admit you have been proven wrong and learn to watch both teams bat before making premature, hyperbole statements.

How have I been proven wrong? How has an innings of 147 of 421 balls done any service to this team’s win?? It’s Yasir Shah’s blistering spell that has won Pakistan the match. You like other Harris Sohail fans will not accept that the guy played a needlessly slow knock
 
I don't know what match you were watching, but I never saw this.

There was no special focus on Arthur by the cameramen. Certainly no shots of him "gleefully smiling and clapping like a fan girl".

just so u know, there is sonething called google/youtube, please care to search pak vs nz 2nd test day 2 highlights, and you might be amazed at what you may discover, keep a glass of water handy in case you are easily hyper sensitive to shocks, yani ke kahin app ka taronh na nikal jaye... ;-)
 
[MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION]..here you go..didnt take long

Hahahaha.

These fans don't deserve any positive results.

There's a reason I post the way I do. Too many Indians/Indian wannabes/fake fans here, and riling them up, as opposed to letting them think that their crap is of any value, is the way to go.
 
just so u know, there is sonething called google/youtube, please care to search pak vs nz 2nd test day 2 highlights, and you might be amazed at what you may discover, keep a glass of water handy in case you are easily hyper sensitive to shocks, yani ke kahin app ka taronh na nikal jaye... ;-)

I watched it live. Didn't see Arthur behaving like any "fan girl".
 
How have I been proven wrong? How has an innings of 147 of 421 balls done any service to this team’s win?? It’s Yasir Shah’s blistering spell that has won Pakistan the match. You like other Harris Sohail fans will not accept that the guy played a needlessly slow knock

Because of the simple fact that it added 147 runs to the team's total and without it Pakistan could have never enforced the follow-on. How much service it is to the team's win will be reflected once the match is over.

The fact that 2 days still remain only underpins the value of playing with patience on this pitch. Had Haris not taken his time to help Pakistan put a big score on the board the pitch probably wouldn't have worn to the extent it had on Day 3 and Yasir likely wouldn't have gotten the same amount of assistance.
 
I still think we played too slow as a batting unit. The brilliance of our bowling attack has once again brushed our bad bits under the carpet!
 
His innings wasn't perfect, it wasn't entertaining but it helped Pakistan build scorecard pressure on NZ and helped the likes of Yasir Shah do what they did today with the ball.
 
His innings wasn't perfect, it wasn't entertaining but it helped Pakistan build scorecard pressure on NZ and helped the likes of Yasir Shah do what they did today with the ball.

My brother, Babar Azam’s innings (bar his time spent in the 90s) was a true Test match knock. Azhar Ali as well.

I’ve said it before, if Jimmy Anderson or Monty Panesar continue to bat overnight to survive in the 4th innings and faces 421 balls,,a player like them will end up with 147
 
My brother, Babar Azam’s innings (bar his time spent in the 90s) was a true Test match knock. Azhar Ali as well.

I’ve said it before, if Jimmy Anderson or Monty Panesar continue to bat overnight to survive in the 4th innings and faces 421 balls,,a player like them will end up with 147

But a player like Anderson or Panesar will hardly ever survive 42 balls let alone 420. We get it, the knock was on the slow side, no one is saying it was perfect or amazing but you don't have to exaggerate to such extreme levels to put it down.
 
Not just Shah, though, but Pakistani batsmen Babar Azam and Haris Sohail as well. The pair scored patient centuries and, according to Taylor. "showed" how New Zealand might yet save this game.

"We've got a long way to go if we're going to fight our way back but, if we can just get through a couple of sessions with the least amount of damage, we know it can be done. The way Babar and Sohail batted, they showed the way for us to bat long periods of time."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...or-sets-sights-on-leading-black-caps-recovery

:rosco
 
My brother, Babar Azam’s innings (bar his time spent in the 90s) was a true Test match knock. Azhar Ali as well.

I’ve said it before, if Jimmy Anderson or Monty Panesar continue to bat overnight to survive in the 4th innings and faces 421 balls,,a player like them will end up with 147

Ok brother, lets get rid of Harris Sohail, drop the slow midget.... how dare he prevent us from another collapse and dare to get us to a respectable total.... Harris sohail na-manzoor, Harris sohail ko bahir karo, booo booo..... theek hai bro? Happy?


This bloody test might end inside 4 days, but how dare harry... :mv:mv:mv
 
The innings was on the slow side but I am glad Haris got a big score. He is too good to get out for pretty 30 or 40’s. Him and Babar are key to our hopes.
 
I still think we played too slow as a batting unit. The brilliance of our bowling attack has once again brushed our bad bits under the carpet!

This! It certainly doesn't paper over the cracking going forward into the final test and SA test series. We bat like this in SA this team will struggle make even 150.

To see the difference in the batting calibre look at the class of Williamson who was left stranded in the first innings who was left stranded and currently in this innings Ross Taylor (batting almost run a ball) with the way they've gone about their business scoring briskly.

Any bowling performance as spectacular as Yasir's was today will win you 99 matches out of 100 - it was that good. It is disrespectful towards him to go back and give credit for a sluggish knock when you're trailing the series. Note this coming from a fan of Haris as well.
 
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Ok brother, lets get rid of Harris Sohail, drop the slow midget.... how dare he prevent us from another collapse and dare to get us to a respectable total.... Harris sohail na-manzoor, Harris sohail ko bahir karo, booo booo..... theek hai bro? Happy?


This bloody test might end inside 4 days, but how dare harry... :mv:mv:mv

How am I even asking for him to be dropped?! Some random guy accused me of wanting Ahmad Shahzad in the side instead of him. What I’m annoyed about is the way Pakistan are continuing to regress as a batting unit with players thinking it’s ok to spend an eternity at the crease and bat at a snail’s pace. That too at home! That too after winning the toss and electing to bat first!! That too on a flat deck!!!

If you can’t see it the way I do that’s ok. Mark my words, the guy has found success through this approach and he will apply this formula again, possibly all the time.
 
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