-
Contact the PP Team
Has Babar Azam's T20 game suffered because of his habit of stat-padding?
- Thread starter Savak
- Start date
KingOfPakBreakfast
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- May 21, 2017
- Runs
- 1,576
- Post of the Week
- 4
Sure. Claudio Ranieri is also a Premier League Champion.
Question is, how is Imad the champion captain doing lately, as a captain?
ArabKnight
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2022
- Runs
- 1,389
How about quoting me? Passive aggressive venting does not equate to you being in the right.
Imad and KK didn’t end up on the bottom of the table this year. That’s totally false.
Imad is champion captain, you can’t take that away from him. Crying will not make the PSL trophy disappear from his shelf. It’s a fact that KK won a PSL under his captaincy. It is not a “rubbish opinion”. Learn the facts before commenting on others, especially without quoting them.
Hextro
Local Club Star
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2022
- Runs
- 1,803
True, they came second last due to NRR.
I think people are reluctant to criticise Babar Azam because he is a wonderful batter, Pakistan captain and the golden boy for many.
It's almost like they take it personally - how dare anyone criticise Babar or pick holes in his game or his captaincy.
If he has a poor match it's someone else's fault. If he captains poorly it's somebody else's fault. If he scores at a poor strike rate it's ok he was doing his job and others should have scored at a better strike rate.
That's not how it works - if he deserves criticism, like he does for a very poor innings yesterday, then he should receive it.
It's almost like they take it personally - how dare anyone criticise Babar or pick holes in his game or his captaincy.
If he has a poor match it's someone else's fault. If he captains poorly it's somebody else's fault. If he scores at a poor strike rate it's ok he was doing his job and others should have scored at a better strike rate.
That's not how it works - if he deserves criticism, like he does for a very poor innings yesterday, then he should receive it.
Nikhil_cric
T20I Star
- Joined
- Dec 4, 2011
- Runs
- 31,326
There are around 6 players who have scored faster than Babar in this PSL - Azam Khan, Mohammad Haris, Fakhar Zaman, Saim Ayub, Imad Wasim, Faheem Ashraf.
Azam khan's competition is with Rizwan for keeper bat. Imad and Faheem Ashraf are allrounders and generally won't bat in top 5.
So, even if we construct a Top 5 of Pakistan by giving weightage to this season strike rates, it would still have Babar
Bobby
Fakhar
Saim
Haris
Azam
I actually think Rizwan might miss out. But Babar is safe for now.
Azam khan's competition is with Rizwan for keeper bat. Imad and Faheem Ashraf are allrounders and generally won't bat in top 5.
So, even if we construct a Top 5 of Pakistan by giving weightage to this season strike rates, it would still have Babar
Bobby
Fakhar
Saim
Haris
Azam
I actually think Rizwan might miss out. But Babar is safe for now.
KingOfPakBreakfast
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- May 21, 2017
- Runs
- 1,576
- Post of the Week
- 4
True, what you’ve said above is a prevalent opinion and a reality. It’s clear that there are long term strike rate issues that need addressing.
I also believe that he should not be Pakistan Captain moving forward, because there are now, conclusively, better captains than him in the country.
He has support because he’s a recognised brilliant player, consistent unlike most Pakistani players and personality wise a polar opposite to the 90s superstars, flamboyant showman that were actually toxically dysfunctional.
You are right ultimately. Everybody should be receptive to constructive criticism. People can appreciate Babar whilst also being objective about his failings.
But we live in a polarised world where we regress into camps. It’s either “Babar is unquestionable” or “Babar is the worst”. The space between these two is where the truth actually is. But let’s face it, nuance doesn’t last long in todays media landscape.
ArabKnight
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2022
- Runs
- 1,389
This guy loves to play against Netherlands, Scotland, Zimbabwe, etc.
But rests against a quality team like Afghanistan.
A jokester of a stat-padder!
But rests against a quality team like Afghanistan.
A jokester of a stat-padder!
So you actually think Babar asked the management to rest him?
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Get your facts right The management rested the players Babar didnt choose to himself
And afghans arent a quality team They have a poor t20 record against the top nations
Even a pakistan B team should be beating them so there were no excuses for todays result
Ahmed216
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 9, 2018
- Runs
- 12,521
There you go. As I expected Babar and Rizwan responsible for this defeat as well
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
Of course they are
Name a single opener they have allowed to develop for Pakistan in 3 years??
Ahmed216
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 9, 2018
- Runs
- 12,521
No one. PCB made a big mistake appointing Babar Azam as captain.. someone like Asif Ali was a far better option
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
Asif Ali is a better captain than Babar unsold
Ahmed216
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jun 9, 2018
- Runs
- 12,521
Agreed. Better batsman too
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
For his role, yes
He can probably do Babar’s role better as an opener in the powerplay as well
Babar can’t clear the inner Circle trying to hit a six
You didn’t take the match situation into account such conditions are ideal for their spinners and also their batsmen like low scoring chases the likelihood is they will fall short in high scoring matches.
Everything including pitch conditions and Pakistan having a totally new and inexperienced top order helped them considering that even a full strength team almost lost to Afghanistan.
ArabKnight
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2022
- Runs
- 1,389
Your source of information must be Babar himself on WhatsApp last night.
Babar has a terrible record against Afghanistan. Terrible record against leg-spin. Terrible record against Rashid Khan. Terrible record against Mujeeb Ur Rehman.
These are the facts. No wonder, no wonder, no wonder, he was “rested” for Afghan series.
Babar controls his selection. He selected himself for Netherlands, Scotland, Zimbabwe matches when PCB wanted to rest him.
PCB wanted to play Babar against Afghanistan, but he didn’t want to play.
MHN1293
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Aug 30, 2020
- Runs
- 1,460
Im guessing rizwan and shaheen were also scared of afg and asked to be rested. Fact is with the t20 world cup not in the picture and after the recently concluded psl the pcb wants to try fresh new blood against a relatively weaker team. I'm all in for constructive criticism but you are clearly just a hater. Making things up just to suit your agenda
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Yes true babar is responsible for the defeat last night even though hes sitting a thousand miles away in pakistan
The worlds premier number one all format batter is scared of facing afghanistan too
Why stop here Why not blame him for all the ills in pakistan and the world
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
For his role, yes
He can probably do Babar’s role better as an opener in the powerplay as well
Babar can’t clear the inner Circle trying to hit a six
Yes we saw asif ali clear the inner circle many times in the recent psl Superb he was You are spot on as usual looool
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Some stat padding wouldve been good yesterday A run a ball 40 from babar and rizwan wouldve potentially helped pakistan avoid an embarrasing defeat last night
ArabKnight
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2022
- Runs
- 1,389
Rizwan was due for a rest. He played in the final of the PSL. Same thing with Shaheen. They were rightfully rested.
Babar is controlling the locker room a thousand miles away. If he is not to blame, then who is?
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2004
- Runs
- 217,990
Let's be fair on this.
Babar slowing down near hundreds is called out for what it is.
Babar holding the innings together on pitches such as the one last night is important and should be recognized as such.
Only question is, as TopSpin said, are we really going to find so many T20I pitches like the ones we have in Sharjah?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
For his role, yes
He can probably do Babar’s role better as an opener in the powerplay as well
Babar can’t clear the inner Circle trying to hit a six
This is actually a realistic and highly concerning depiction I’m afraid
Rizwan played 1 game more than Babar that's why he's due a rest ok then.
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Babar doesnt need to Hes good enough to find the boundary more often than not even if its 4s
Someone like asif with his tailenderish stats and fabulous bbl and psl doesnt even deserve to be playing at fc level never mind intnl level
Babar has played 4 matches in Sharjah 3 times he’s been dismissed for single digit scores.
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2004
- Runs
- 217,990
Some possible upcoming records for BA which may bring up this issue of stat-padding again:
Babar needs just one T20I series victory against New Zealand to become the most successful T20I captain of all time, surpassing the record of retired Eoin Morgan, who has 42 wins as captain. He is currently tied at 40 wins each with Aaron Finch from Australia.
Another record that Babar will be targeting is to become the first Pakistan batsman to reach 3,500 runs in T20I cricket. He needs just 145 runs to achieve this feat.
In ODIs, Babar is inching closer to breaking several records held by South African legend Hashim Amla. He requires just one more century in the next seven innings to become the fastest batter to reach 18 ODI centuries. Amla currently holds the record, having achieved it in 102 innings, followed by Virat Kohli, who reached the same number of centuries in 119 innings.
Furthermore, if Babar scores 187 runs in the next seven innings, he will become the fastest batter to reach 5,000 runs in ODIs, surpassing Amla's record of achieving this feat in 101 innings. Kohli and West Indian great Sir Vivian Richards both took 114 innings to score the same number of runs.
Finally, the right-hand batsman is just 136 runs away from completing 12,000 runs in international cricket, having scored 3,696 runs in Tests, 4,813 in ODIs, and 3,355 in T20Is.
Babar needs just one T20I series victory against New Zealand to become the most successful T20I captain of all time, surpassing the record of retired Eoin Morgan, who has 42 wins as captain. He is currently tied at 40 wins each with Aaron Finch from Australia.
Another record that Babar will be targeting is to become the first Pakistan batsman to reach 3,500 runs in T20I cricket. He needs just 145 runs to achieve this feat.
In ODIs, Babar is inching closer to breaking several records held by South African legend Hashim Amla. He requires just one more century in the next seven innings to become the fastest batter to reach 18 ODI centuries. Amla currently holds the record, having achieved it in 102 innings, followed by Virat Kohli, who reached the same number of centuries in 119 innings.
Furthermore, if Babar scores 187 runs in the next seven innings, he will become the fastest batter to reach 5,000 runs in ODIs, surpassing Amla's record of achieving this feat in 101 innings. Kohli and West Indian great Sir Vivian Richards both took 114 innings to score the same number of runs.
Finally, the right-hand batsman is just 136 runs away from completing 12,000 runs in international cricket, having scored 3,696 runs in Tests, 4,813 in ODIs, and 3,355 in T20Is.
daytrader
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2015
- Runs
- 10,850
- Post of the Week
- 1
Most scores of 50 or more in T20Is:
Virat Kohli 38
Babar Azam 33
Rohit Sharma 33
Virat Kohli 38
Babar Azam 33
Rohit Sharma 33
Usman Chadda
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 19, 2005
- Runs
- 19,151
This lad has the most hundreds for a Pakistani batsmen, and yet his countrymen will belittle him for being ‘slow’.
He is THE main jewel of Pakistan cricket right now, nobody can come close to him in the current setup.
He is THE main jewel of Pakistan cricket right now, nobody can come close to him in the current setup.
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Babar Azam The King
daytrader
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2015
- Runs
- 10,850
- Post of the Week
- 1
From a 36 ball Fifty to a 58 ball century!! Babar skews stats at will
daytrader
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 11, 2015
- Runs
- 10,850
- Post of the Week
- 1
First 50 runs from 36 balls
Second 50 runs from 22 balls
Second 50 runs from 22 balls
Osama Shafeeqe
Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 3, 2016
- Runs
- 137
I think one of the things that Babar haters lack in understanding is that Babar is not the finish product, he's 28 and has plenty of room for improvement. I couldn't imagine a Babar in 2019 playing an Innings like this. He continuously shows improvement in his abilities that are lacking.
The 5th gear that these people were wanting was there today and with one innings, there comes others. Babar still needs to show this 5th gear against good bowling line ups.
The 5th gear that these people were wanting was there today and with one innings, there comes others. Babar still needs to show this 5th gear against good bowling line ups.
Waleed93
Tape Ball Captain
- Joined
- Sep 14, 2017
- Runs
- 1,045
The best player in the world.
A 3rd hundred in what some agenda driven experts want us to believe is his weakest format.
Simply brilliant. A generational talent.
A 3rd hundred in what some agenda driven experts want us to believe is his weakest format.
Simply brilliant. A generational talent.
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2004
- Runs
- 217,990
Not a bad stat to have.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam's 9th T20 hundred sees him now second on the list of most hundreds in T20 cricket. Chris Gayle leads the list with an incredible 22 hundreds<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1647294170921418758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2023</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam's 9th T20 hundred sees him now second on the list of most hundreds in T20 cricket. Chris Gayle leads the list with an incredible 22 hundreds<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1647294170921418758?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2023</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It is his weakest format, but he's still good.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
All of his hundreds are not international standard
Sorry. They were all against the B/C string attacks
That’s not international standard I’m afraid
Sorry. They were all against the B/C string attacks
That’s not international standard I’m afraid
Enjoy the moment.
You seem obsessed and very touchy with any posts that criticise Babar.
You have to realise that he will be criticised when he deserves it, whether you like it or not.
No player has ever escaped criticism.
topspin
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 14,518
- Post of the Week
- 1
Remember the one against South Africa where the average economy rate for the pacers was 9 rpo?
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
Remember the one against South Africa where the average economy rate for the pacers was 9 rpo?
ICC needs to intervene
There used to be a time when scoring international runs meant something
At this moment, IPL runs are far higher in value in comparison to these pathetic bilateral runs.
topspin
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 14,518
- Post of the Week
- 1
I couldn't agree more. It's a much higher standard than against those C grade teams which is the norm for bilateral T20Is.
The way things are our first team may as well play the entire Ramadhan Cup and after Eid, Pakistan should organise a 7 match T20I series against the mighty Nepal.
Zaz
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Runs
- 18,336
Didnt see no stat padding today Just a quality innings from a quality cricketer
topspin
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 14,518
- Post of the Week
- 1
Also agree with this as well.
I propose for there to be a top tier (first XI), second tier (second XI) and perhaps a third tier (third XI) set of bilateral T20Is.
So at least that we can distinguish between performances against first team, B and C string sides. What do you think?
hitthestump
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2013
- Runs
- 5,353
Lol, the ICC cannot save you from ignorance my friend. Consoling yourself with "but but but it was a C team" is only going to prolong your pain.
I will advise you there is only one way out from here.
You must come to terms with the fact that you were wrong about Babar and Rizwan.
You will only find peace when you learn to look at a situation objectively and not just desperately seek ways to justify your stance.
All this excuse mongering shows is that deep down you know your opinion has failed but you haven't quite admitted it to yourself yet.
If you were correct then in 2023 excuses wouldn't be neccessary any more.
topspin
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 14,518
- Post of the Week
- 1
This arrogance is quite extraordinary when you consider how the events last year backfired spectacularly for you.
If you were right about this opening pair, I would say "fair play to you, you got this right and I got it wrong" however what you don't know about me is that I actually used to be a RizBar fan myself before I saw the light, just over a year ago.
The 2021 WT20 Semi-Final, 2022 Asia Cup and 2022 WT20 proved that RizBar pale in comparison when it comes to delivering against first string bowling attacks.
I'm trying to be reasonable with you but to expect me to change my mind or "come to terms" because they scored runs on a batting friendly wicket against C string bowling attack. Like seriously you're chest thumping over this?
hitthestump
First Class Captain
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2013
- Runs
- 5,353
It's ok. InshaAllah we will have many more years of RizBab which will give you the opportunity to find peace in your heart over this matter.
When Pakistan come out to open, they will be there.
When you look at the top of the run scoring charts, they will be there.
Even after they retire and All Time Great XI's are procured, they will be there.
Excuses, denials and suggestions that the ICC ought to protect you (hahahaha) aren't going to help you. The facts are all there in front of you. Embrace them instead of being oppositional to them.
This is a battle all RizBab deniers have well and truly lost.
topspin
Test Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2018
- Runs
- 14,518
- Post of the Week
- 1
If there was a single post in the history of PP which I could use to define a post with a series of blanket statements, it would be this.
In other words it's all overgeneralised and unspecific because the reality is you and I know both know you can't put forward a convincing set of arguments as to why anyone should embrace "RizBab".
I've told you that the 2021 WT20 Semi-Final, 2022 Asia Cup and 2022 WT20 proved that RizBar pale in comparison when it comes to delivering against first string bowling attacks and this is the best you've got?
Babar will end up as the GOAT T20I batter irrespective of whatever some short sighted people think about him.
Babar has put Pakistani batting back on the map and is a globally renowned superstar. Pakistani awaam love him and that's all that matters.
Champion player.
Babar has put Pakistani batting back on the map and is a globally renowned superstar. Pakistani awaam love him and that's all that matters.
Champion player.
Last edited by a moderator:
Who thinks Babar Azam's 50 today (2nd T20 vs NZ) was another stat padding occurrence?
IMO I think he played pretty well - didn't strike me as a selfish innings. Strike rate of 150+
Held the team together but needed contributions from others to take the game over the line.
Game still not over but seems unlikely.
IMO I think he played pretty well - didn't strike me as a selfish innings. Strike rate of 150+
Held the team together but needed contributions from others to take the game over the line.
Game still not over but seems unlikely.
CricketCartoons
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Mar 5, 2014
- Runs
- 17,584
44 runs in 33 balls, and then 22 runs in 10 balls. First 33 balls stat padding. Last 10 balls playing freely.
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,854
- Post of the Week
- 8
Stat padder of the highest order.
The guy will simply not win Pakistan any important match.
The guy will simply not win Pakistan any important match.
Was this forgettable bilateral an important match?
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,854
- Post of the Week
- 8
Devadwal
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2020
- Runs
- 28,935
Babar best is not good enough for Pakistan .maybe he is not selfish but have certain limitations
No single player is EVER enough to win you matches but especially against professional SENA teams who do their homework and rarely deviate from plans.
Criticizing Babar for failures in WC and tests in AUS is legit because he simply failed to stand up.
But not at all correct in this series so far where he's been consistent and hardly a slow poke. He needs a few others to put their hands up.
If at all you have to criticize Babar then do so for the fact that he's ONCE AGAIN making hay in a meaningless bilateral LOI after failing at gold plated events.
Criticizing Babar for failures in WC and tests in AUS is legit because he simply failed to stand up.
But not at all correct in this series so far where he's been consistent and hardly a slow poke. He needs a few others to put their hands up.
If at all you have to criticize Babar then do so for the fact that he's ONCE AGAIN making hay in a meaningless bilateral LOI after failing at gold plated events.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
He is the best you can hope for at number 3
His average and strike rate has been brilliant in these 2 games (for that position)
His average and strike rate has been brilliant in these 2 games (for that position)
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,854
- Post of the Week
- 8
Dr_Bassim
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2009
- Runs
- 18,854
- Post of the Week
- 8
Well we already know he is king of soft runs.
Rana
Hall of Famer
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2006
- Runs
- 85,808
Bro I honestly don’t see him as selfish at number 3 the way he was opening
That selfish decision/misuse of power caused serious damage to Pakistan cricket. 3-4 years wasted with nothing to show for it
Devadwal
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2020
- Runs
- 28,935
Pakistan needed 42 runs from 3 over when babar Azam was batting yet he failed to win the match for Pakistan.
Virat won when Indian needed 48 runs in 3 over against Pakistan ,won a game against Australia when india needed 39 from last 3 over .both were high pressure WT20 game .
Virat won when Indian needed 48 runs in 3 over against Pakistan ,won a game against Australia when india needed 39 from last 3 over .both were high pressure WT20 game .
Bilal Ahmad15
Local Club Regular
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2018
- Runs
- 1,582
- Post of the Week
- 4
Yeah I didnt think he was being selfish in these first two matches, in this Hamilton match, he was struggling to hit against Sears, who was bowling somewhat decent line and length ( a bit short), but with good pace and bounce.
Babar Azam in these two matches has been great imo.
Hitman
Senior T20I Player
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2013
- Runs
- 17,518
You stand by the above you posted 10 months ago?
With due respect, can you stop your kolhi bhakti especially since he's flopped so embarrassingly at every major ICC event?
Devadwal
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2020
- Runs
- 28,935
Oucch are you really hurt by fact ?? Check Kohli world cup records
Devadwal
Senior Test Player
- Joined
- Dec 15, 2020
- Runs
- 28,935
Babar avarage is maintained and so are ranking by last two fifty .what else he needs?
Babar will end up as top three all time run scorers of all time. But he hasn't developed his game as we thought he would.
Buffet
Post of the Week winner
- Joined
- Aug 1, 2011
- Runs
- 27,424
- Post of the Week
- 3
23 runs in 23 balls in middle of inning when chasing around 200 is going to make it hard to chase unless someone else plays really well. Babar is a good support batsman when chasing big runs, but has limitations. Some one else had to play big as main contributor to get those runs.
Yes, I am hurt by how Kooli defecates the bed everytime the big prize is on stake - T20WC, WC, WTC. How bout U?
- Joined
- Nov 25, 2023
- Runs
- 20,917
Babar Azam played an awful innings today against MS in PSL 9 Final's Qualifier, Made 46(42) there with a SR of 109.
Similar threads
