Has Hashim Amla surpassed Rahul Dravid as a Test batsman?

[Sam99]

Oh really? Seems like Rahane is Dravid's successor then and not Pujara.

Dravid was pretty avg against genuine fast bowlers. I feel rahane is better against fast seam bowlers maybe not as good as dravid in swinging conditions though.

 

[Ab Fan]

Amla will eventually get his due after he retires.

Him and ABDV would have been averaging 51 and 52 had they played for some other country.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Only on PP will you see such absurd threads..

Amla is a great player no doubt but he is not close to Dravid the test batsmen..

Sanga is close to Dravid but yet behind him in tests.. Younis lol is some distance behind..

Still all of them are/we’re great Bats for their team and deserve respect..

Sanga was a better batsman against both pace and spin.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sanga was a better batsman against both pace and spin.

Thats why is away avg is less than dravid.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sanga was a better batsman against both pace and spin.

No one denies that but in no universe would any neutral expert of cricket rate sanga over Dravid.. Only ones who will rate are players who played with Sanga or his fans or Pakistanis.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Thats why is away avg is less than dravid.

Actually, Sanga has a better away average when he did not keep wickets. He even has a better average outside Asia as a pure batsman.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No one denies that but in no universe would any neutral expert of cricket rate sanga over Dravid.. Only ones who will rate are players who played with Sanga or his fans or Pakistanis.

A lot will take someone who scored 2 more centuries in 50 less innings. Sanga was the man after Ponting. Dravid was never the undisputed best batsman in the world.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No one denies that but in no universe would any neutral expert of cricket rate sanga over Dravid.. Only ones who will rate are players who played with Sanga or his fans or Pakistanis.

Both Ponting and KP picked Sanga in their all time test XI.

 

[jusarrived]

Super flat pitches do not produce results and teams do not get bowled out for under 300 and 200 on such pitches, regardless of the quality of the bowling attacks.

The three knocks you mentioned , these are not my picks .

250 against India - SA scored 558
196 against Aus - SA scored 569
300 against Eng - SA scored 636 losing just 2 wickets .

So can we conclude Amlas best came on super flat pitches ? which means he has no innings of quality his whole career .

 

[Ab Fan]

Dravid is a batting legend. However, overall across all formats, I will take Sangakkara over him.

Among modern-era players, across formats:

SRT
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
Sangakkara
Dravid

Kallis and Sangakkara are ahead of Dravid due to extra added all-round skills.

 

[jusarrived]

It may be his home conditions but only an ill-informed person will say that scoring runs in the subcontinent is tougher for a #3 batsman than scoring runs in South Africa. There is a reason visiting top order batsmen average in the 20s in South Africa and someone lile Graeme Smith averages below 40 there. You still get the odd flat pitch in South Africa as well but the overhead conditions and altitude of some of the grounds ensures that the pace bowlers are always in the game. ABD and Smith did much better than him? At what exactly? The only great South African batsman who has a mighty average at home is Kallis and Kallis is Kallis. And he also batted at #4 in a lot of matches, behind Smith and Amla.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that India getting lucky with dismissing him means there is a similar pattern in his career. Anyone who has seen enough of Amla's career knows that he was invincible against the moving ball during his peak and even at 34, he just averaged 40+ in a series in England, in conditions that Cook has claimed were the toughest he has batted in. Did better than anyone else other than Joe Root, who is in his prime. His twin half-centuries in the last test he played have earned him plaudits from everyone who knows a thing or two about cricket. But of course, you know better.

Whether you like it or not, Amla has simply been one of the most impactful players of modern times. Those innings I mentioned before, the 300 in England, the 250+ in India and the 190 in Australia were all high-impact, high pressure innings. The #1 ranking was on the line in all three series, I believe and they were all match-winning and even series-winning innings. He also scored a few other tons in those series for good measure and did all that a batsman can do to ensure that South Africa win those series. They won two of them but despite Amla's best efforts, the other South African batsmen could not hang with him in India. These are just three examples. Amla has played countless more innings under pressure in tests.

Dravid, as mentioned before, has failed in South Africa and Australia, barring the one series against a second string Aussie attack. However, he was incredible in England and almost everywhere else and is definitely a superb batsman himself. However, the hypocrisy of a minority of Indian fans really shows when they try to make it seem like Dravid was that much better than Amla, Sanga and Younis, when in reality, they are all on the same level. Champions of the game, masterful batsmen.

you are funny sir.
Lets just go by your own logic , its super difficult to play as a no3 in SA ( even for some one born and brought up on those pitches ?
And your second theory that , matches where teams score less than 200 or even 300 are flat ?

Alma has 16 hundreds playing at home ( including 3 against Ban and 1 against WI ) . Can you please explain why not one of this hundred was scored when his team was AO for less than 300 ?

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Crazy question. Amla is great but clearly one step below the level of Dravid-Kallis-Younis.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not sure how Amla would have done against Ambrose on spicier windies pitches. But Dravid was better than Sachin during that 97 series in WI. Made 4 fifties. Amla has combination Indian batting style and SA batting style. He is equipped. Dravid has set the gold standard for this playing in overcast conditions. Yet to see a Batsman who has bettered Dravid in that aspect. Overall Dravid 180, twin innings in wI, twin centuries against Pakistan at Kolkata, 233 & 70 at Adelaide oval, 148 at headingley, three centuries against England where every other Indian looked clueless, century against hostile Donald at wanderers. Many many tough knocks he has played. Amla probably is marginally ahead against spin. You never know as he never played warne at his peak.

 

[big_gamer007]

A lot will take someone who scored 2 more centuries in 50 less innings. Sanga was the man after Ponting. Dravid was never the undisputed best batsman in the world.

Both Ponting and KP picked Sanga in their all time test XI.

People who played against each other will rate on how a player played against them.. Anyways these sorts ornament debates are useless tbh both were great players if you think Sanga was a better test bat then that’s fine I disagree..