Has Imran Khan and PTI learnt from their mistakes?

[MenInG]

Interim Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday acknowledged that mistakes were made by the PTI in the past for which it paid a "high price", adding that the party had now wisened up and will prioritise its "ideological" workers.

Addressing a ceremony at Punjab Governor House in Lahore, the prime minister instructed the PTI workers to prepare for the elections, saying that this time the party would give tickets to those who were aligned with the party's political philosophy after careful consideration.

"There were mistakes [committed] by us in the past for which we had to pay a high price," he said. "So now after learning from our mistakes, our first decision is to give tickets after a great deliberation."

PM Imran said tickets would be given to all the MPs in attendance who still supported and continued to support the party during "difficult times".


'Vast foreign conspiracy'
The interim prime minister reiterated his recent claim that a "vast foreign conspiracy" was hatched against his government, referring to the opposition's no-confidence resolution against him.

Read: 'Neither you nor your handlers will be forgiven,' PM Imran warns 'sell-outs' ahead of no-trust vote

He alleged that there was a plan made abroad for a regime change in Pakistan in which "traitors here (opposition) joined with them (conspiracy planners)."

The premier added that most of the people who supported this "conspiracy" had done so inadvertently with only those at the top being in the know.

He warned that such a lesson would be taught to all those part of this alleged conspiracy in the upcoming elections that they wouldn't only lose but "their political graves will be made forever."

Referring to disgruntled PTI MPAs staying at a private hotel in Lahore, he said this "spectacle" was laid bare in front of the whole nation to see where people who were elected on PTI tickets and reserved seats had sold their "zameer" (conscience).

The prime minister said the PTI had approached the Supreme Court against "traitors" and opined that apart from lifetime bans, they should also be imprisoned. "If today we don't stand against this treachery then our coming generations won't forgive us.

"Today is a decisive and defining moment in our country," the premier said.

He called on the people to wage peaceful protests daily, saying that to do so was their "duty" along with defeating the alleged conspiracy against his government.

The purpose of the demonstrations, he explained, was to send a message to the US and its alleged collaborators here that "this is a living nation and it won't allow any scheme [against it] to be successful."

The interim prime minister told his supporters to stage a demonstration at Islamabad's F9 Park tonight after Isha prayers.

 

[Savak]

You can call it a mistake or what not. But Aleem Khan and Jahangir Tareen were PTI's principal financers. Punjab unfortunately is all about electables. What bright new candidates come in against the experienced electables and see them get smashed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You have to start somewhere .

Now the nation has seen IK in power . Actually done an incredible job . Easy win coming up . If Pakistan had a modi or Boris it would be in ruins today .

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have to start somewhere .

Now the nation has seen IK in power . Actually done an incredible job . Easy win coming up . If Pakistan had a modi or Boris it would be in ruins today .

I don't know about Boris, but under Modi India isn't going around asking for loans and bailouts to run the country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't know about Boris, but under Modi India isn't going around asking for loans and bailouts to run the country.

600 million in poverty & he’s an extremist .

It’s not about your modiji . Don’t get upset , there are other threads where you can do modi Bhangra

Imran khan has done great . He is up there as one of the best leaders .

 

[JaDed]

Well opposition could had easily waited an year, there is no way they will win now.

They gave into the trap [MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION] seems to be right on this, they clearly have taken the focus away from economy and PKR IMF, now opposition have been left looking like “stooges” of West.

This would end up making PTI not only the stronger party but it might not even need coalition anymore.

Tbf this shows how good a politician IK has been and will be does that translate to an economic prosperous Pak that only time will tell but definitely will atleast a status change.

 

[Sidilicious]

You have to start somewhere .

Now the nation has seen IK in power . Actually done an incredible job . Easy win coming up . If Pakistan had a modi or Boris it would be in ruins today .

I am no Modi fan (you can see all my past comments).

But Modi is a much better administrator than IK. IK doesn't seem to have any grasp of the economy.

Modi's tenure hasn't led to significant economic success, but he hasn't run the economy to the ground or has made India dependent on another country and IMF economically.

 

[Local.Dada]

I am no Modi fan (you can see all my past comments).

But Modi is a much better administrator than IK. IK doesn't seem to have any grasp of the economy.

Modi's tenure hasn't led to significant economic success, but he hasn't run the economy to the ground or has made India dependent on another country and IMF economically.

What our friends across the border and across the Atlantic need to understand is Modi was elected CM of Gujarat for 3 terms before running for prime minister. He wasn’t handed over the reigns just like that. Before the mandatory Gujarat comment, it happened in 2002 and he was CM till 2014 (obviously that piece of information is for our friends here).

There is absolutely no equivalence between the 2 or their path to leadership unless you consider their popularity among the masses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

600 million in poverty & he’s an extremist .

It’s not about your modiji . Don’t get upset , there are other threads where you can do modi Bhangra

Imran khan has done great . He is up there as one of the best leaders .

Dont pull figures out of thin air.

Pakistani state, the nation is surviving on loans and bailouts. This is like Sri Lanka being bankrupt but high on happiness index.

Extremist? Who said that? You?

You brought Modi into this, i didn't.

Yes, Imran has successfully put pakistan into the Imf bailout program.

 

[silentkiller187]

LAHORE:
Prime Minister Imran Khan has claimed that his party will secure a clear majority in the National Assembly after next general elections, saying he will not form a coalition government at the Centre again to avoid being “blackmailed”.

Addressing a public gathering at Governor House in Lahore on Tuesday, PM Imran said that this time around Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaf (PTI) will award party tickets only to its ideological workers after careful deliberations.

He also admitted that his party committed many mistakes in the past and paid “heavy price” for those. “However, we have learned lessons from our mistakes… by forming coalition government one has to be ‘blackmailed’ by allies,” he remarked.

PM Imran said that the Pakistani nation would teach a lesson to those “traitors” in the general elections who tried to topple an elected government for pursuing an ‘independent foreign policy’.

“The people of the country will teach a lesson to these traitors (opposition leaders) in the next general elections by burying their politics forever.”

The prime minister, referring to his main political opponents, said that these “three stooges” had been plundering the national wealth for the last thirty years and stashed it abroad. “They can say that beggars are not choosers” owing to their vested personal interests, he added.

He said a drama had been staged in the country. In a Lahore hotel, PTI defectors who had “sold” their party allegiance were put together, he said, adding that, “With such shabby tactics, democracy and future of the coming generations and solidarity of the nation had been put at stake”.

The prime minister said the people had been elected on the PTI seats or the reserved seats, and then sold out their conscience for the sake of few million rupees, adding that they would ensure a life time ban for such ‘traitors’.

Also read: MQM-P nudges towards PPP for long-term ties

He said these elements were “traitors” to the nation, to the country and to the coming generations, adding that unless they were punished, they would continue bargaining over the democracy for petty monetary gains.

The prime minister said with such a trend, any foreign country could purchase the loyalties of the lawmakers and topple an elected government. He resolved that they would fully confront them legally.

“All those are traitors who have played a part in the foreign conspiracy,” he said and added that the entire nation would resist such trends as it was a defining moment, and would not let the conspiracy succeed as it had periled country’s future and democracy.

The prime minister also called upon his party workers to stage daily but peaceful protests against these “traitors” and informed that tonight, he would be attending a protest gathering at F-9 Park in Islamabad.

During his day-long visit to Punjab capital, the premier also met with PML-Q leaders Chaudhry Pervez Elahi and Chaudhry Moonis Elahi who called on him at the Governor’s House. They discussed the current political situation in the country and matters of mutual interest.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2351133/pti-wont-form-coalition-govt-again-to-avoid-blackmailing-pm

 

[MenInG]

What our friends across the border and across the Atlantic need to understand is Modi was elected CM of Gujarat for 3 terms before running for prime minister. He wasn’t handed over the reigns just like that. Before the mandatory Gujarat comment, it happened in 2002 and he was CM till 2014 (obviously that piece of information is for our friends here).

There is absolutely no equivalence between the 2 or their path to leadership unless you consider their popularity among the masses.

Thread is about?

Why is Modi being discussed here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am no Modi fan (you can see all my past comments).

But Modi is a much better administrator than IK. IK doesn't seem to have any grasp of the economy.

Modi's tenure hasn't led to significant economic success, but he hasn't run the economy to the ground or has made India dependent on another country and IMF economically.

Imran has no idea about economy or diplomacy.

 

[Sidilicious]

Imran has no idea about economy or diplomacy.

What our friends across the border and across the Atlantic need to understand is Modi was elected CM of Gujarat for 3 terms before running for prime minister. He wasn’t handed over the reigns just like that. Before the mandatory Gujarat comment, it happened in 2002 and he was CM till 2014 (obviously that piece of information is for our friends here).

There is absolutely no equivalence between the 2 or their path to leadership unless you consider their popularity among the masses.

The only thing good about Imran has been his intentions for the Pakistani people.

Otherwise, I find him incompetent and out of his depth.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Thread is about?

Why is Modi being discussed here?

You should ask the one who brought up Modi. That person seems to be obsessed about modi and feels bad that he can't vote for him ����

 

[SportsWarrior]

The only thing good about Imran has been his intentions for the Pakistani people.

Otherwise, I find him incompetent and out of his depth.

He is extremely incompetent. I would take a good competent administrator over an incompetent one even if the competent one is corrupt. Good example are PV Narasihma Rao, Jayalalitha, Naidu, etc.

 

[Sidilicious]

He is extremely incompetent. I would take a good competent administrator over an incompetent one even if the competent one is corrupt. Good example are PV Narasihma Rao, Jayalalitha, Naidu, etc.

I don't know much about the Amma and Naidu to comment on them, but Narasimha Rao was the one who turned our economy around (with Manmohan Singh's help). By far the best PM we have ever had.

I agree with you. I would rather take a corrupt but competent leader as compared to an incompetent one. Even if the competent but corrupt one takes a big share, he/she at least creates enough that others can also use. If a corrupt creates 100, and takes 20 for himself, at least there is 80 left for others.

People like IK create zilch (if not run the economy into ground). Its overall a negative effect.

Especially at the level India and Pakistan are, we need development and value creation. Corruption (of a reasonable amount - Nawaz Sharif level, not Putin level) can be dealt with when these economies grows big enough and corruption starts eating into all growth.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Interim Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday acknowledged that mistakes were made by the PTI in the past for which it paid a "high price", adding that the party had now wisened up and will prioritise its "ideological" workers.

Addressing a ceremony at Punjab Governor House in Lahore, the prime minister instructed the PTI workers to prepare for the elections, saying that this time the party would give tickets to those who were aligned with the party's political philosophy after careful consideration.

"There were mistakes [committed] by us in the past for which we had to pay a high price," he said. "So now after learning from our mistakes, our first decision is to give tickets after a great deliberation."

PM Imran said tickets would be given to all the MPs in attendance who still supported and continued to support the party during "difficult times".


'Vast foreign conspiracy'
The interim prime minister reiterated his recent claim that a "vast foreign conspiracy" was hatched against his government, referring to the opposition's no-confidence resolution against him.

Read: 'Neither you nor your handlers will be forgiven,' PM Imran warns 'sell-outs' ahead of no-trust vote

He alleged that there was a plan made abroad for a regime change in Pakistan in which "traitors here (opposition) joined with them (conspiracy planners)."

The premier added that most of the people who supported this "conspiracy" had done so inadvertently with only those at the top being in the know.

He warned that such a lesson would be taught to all those part of this alleged conspiracy in the upcoming elections that they wouldn't only lose but "their political graves will be made forever."

Referring to disgruntled PTI MPAs staying at a private hotel in Lahore, he said this "spectacle" was laid bare in front of the whole nation to see where people who were elected on PTI tickets and reserved seats had sold their "zameer" (conscience).

The prime minister said the PTI had approached the Supreme Court against "traitors" and opined that apart from lifetime bans, they should also be imprisoned. "If today we don't stand against this treachery then our coming generations won't forgive us.

"Today is a decisive and defining moment in our country," the premier said.

He called on the people to wage peaceful protests daily, saying that to do so was their "duty" along with defeating the alleged conspiracy against his government.

The purpose of the demonstrations, he explained, was to send a message to the US and its alleged collaborators here that "this is a living nation and it won't allow any scheme [against it] to be successful."

The interim prime minister told his supporters to stage a demonstration at Islamabad's F9 Park tonight after Isha prayers.

Honest and emaandaar contenders can't get as many seats that he may require to form a 2/3 majority govt.

A large chunk of awam is either corrupt or dumb, or both - so quite a few shameless crooks will be re-elected to represent the gullible portion of our awaam. Guaranteed!

So PTI will need to either give tickets to a few crooks or create alliance with them, otherwise, it can't form the majority.

You can't get by without it. Unfortunately that's the ground reality of Pakistani nation.

 

[Local.Dada]

A large chunk of awam is either corrupt or dumb, or both - so quite a few shameless crooks will be re-elected to represent the gullible portion of our awaam. Guaranteed!

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I empathize with this sentiment because as an overseas person myself I used to feel the same way because corrupt dynastic parties are not exclusive to Pakistan.

However over the years speaking to the folks on the ground from all sections of the society, I realize that the average person is more up to date, aware and conscious of the politics around them. In fact they will be more articulate about why they pick a certain party than some one sitting overseas (including me)

Let me give you an example , there are some areas where a certain politician despite having a corrupt reputation and being a dynast always wins. I asked a person living in that area (a driver) why he always votes for them.

What he said to me still resonates with me. That political party ensures at least that area gets 24/7 electricity and good running/clean water. That is actually their basic responsibility but the voter sees that as a favor being done because he knows if someone else comes to power they will ignore even those basic amenities. That’s why they will continue voting for them. Their plan is to get out of that mess by work and education. That’s about it.

That’s why these corrupt people get votes. There is no rocket science to it.

Also to add there is some political messiah who always shows up in this part of the world claiming to turn the place to USA in 1 year but find out that within the status quo and the current system, it is next to impossible to do anything.

This is why it is dumb to give your morals because where we live we take things like electricity, jobs, security, water etc for granted. Most People living in India- Pak cannot.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I empathize with this sentiment because as an overseas person myself I used to feel the same way because corrupt dynastic parties are not exclusive to Pakistan.

However over the years speaking to the folks on the ground from all sections of the society, I realize that the average person is more up to date, aware and conscious of the politics around them. In fact they will be more articulate about why they pick a certain party than some one sitting overseas (including me)

Let me give you an example , there are some areas where a certain politician despite having a corrupt reputation and being a dynast always wins. I asked a person living in that area (a driver) why he always votes for them.

What he said to me still resonates with me. That political party ensures at least that area gets 24/7 electricity and good running/clean water. That is actually their basic responsibility but the voter sees that as a favor being done because he knows if someone else comes to power they will ignore even those basic amenities. That’s why they will continue voting for them. Their plan is to get out of that mess by work and education. That’s about it.

That’s why these corrupt people get votes. There is no rocket science to it.

Also to add there is some political messiah who always shows up in this part of the world claiming to turn the place to USA in 1 year but find out that within the status quo and the current system, it is next to impossible to do anything.

This is why it is dumb to give your morals because where we live we take things like electricity, jobs, security, water etc for granted. Most People living in India- Pak cannot.

Prolly a remote factor but not the root cause.

The root cause is "Shakhsiyat pasandi or parasti" or personality worshipping, and/or blind leading the stupid.

Long gone Bhutto but his worshippers and their generations are still stuck in the rut.

Look at the absolute miserable situation of people in Sindh. What has PPP done for them? Where is bijli pani roti kapra makaan? Animal and humans drink for the same water ponds - Lekin bhutto ab bhi zinda hai.

Look at pockets of karachi - absolutely no law n order yet MQM ghundaas keep getting elected over and over again.

Many influential people vote for corrupt politicians, and they also influence their localities and their family and friends because the corrupt Politicians help or part of the corruption done by these influential people in Public. It's all a part of "bandar baant".

In many localities, the public's psyche has been turned into a dilemma of choking your common sense and start personality worshipping.

And there is also a factor of bullyism to get votes - specially in rural areas of Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan.

Look at people of KPK, majority of whom neither seemed to be brainwashed nor can you bully them (because everyone has a gun and ready to take you down if you try bully them), they have the luxury of freely thinking and using the freedom of choice without any pressure. They have not voted to bring back the same party again and again.

 

[Local.Dada]

Prolly a remote factor but not the root cause.

The root cause is "Shakhsiyat pasandi or parasti" or personality worshipping, and/or blind leading the stupid.

Long gone Bhutto but his worshippers and their generations are still stuck in the rut.

Look at the absolute miserable situation of people in Sindh. What has PPP done for them? Where is bijli pani roti kapra makaan? Animal and humans drink for the same water ponds - Lekin bhutto ab bhi zinda hai.

Look at pockets of karachi - absolutely no law n order yet MQM ghundaas keep getting elected over and over again.

Many influential people vote for corrupt politicians, and they also influence their localities and their family and friends because the corrupt Politicians help or part of the corruption done by these influential people in Public. It's all a part of "bandar baant".

In many localities, the public's psyche has been turned into a dilemma of choking your common sense and start personality worshipping.

And there is also a factor of bullyism to get votes - specially in rural areas of Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan.

Look at people of KPK, majority of whom neither seemed to be brainwashed nor can you bully them (because everyone has a gun and ready to take you down if you try bully them), they have the luxury of freely thinking and using the freedom of choice without any pressure. They have not voted to bring back the same party again and again.

I don’t disagree with what you are saying because you are listing our the problems.

However if someone is living in an area where there is crime, corruption and other problems, they would be more conscious about it than someone sitting in the comfort of a developed country. It is naive to think these people are dumb.

As I said they all are vote banks for some politician and they are scared that if they think of too much overhaul than they will even lose what they are getting. That’s how it works and has been for the last 75 years in the subcontinent.

In fact Pakistan had the advantage (if you can call it that) of military regimes where they have unmitigated power between democratic governments. Even they couldn’t bring a lot of overwhelming positive changes right? I am not criticizing them. I am just saying that we cannot dictate what a person whose daily life is at stake does or doesn’t. You might have the patience to wait for 5-10 years for the change to kick in but the guy on the ground is living day to day and hand to mouth. They have a lot more at stake.

That’s the point I am making. Obviously if everyone thinks Ik is the best option they will vote for him. That doesn’t make people who don’t vote for him in a democracy dumb or corrupt. Everyone looks out for their own needs.

 

[Lego20]

You should ask the one who brought up Modi. That person seems to be obsessed about modi and feels bad that he can't vote for him ����

Not to mention religion - keeps gloating over some *******ized form of inheritance of trouncing over Hindus and goes on about religious evangelism and one-upmanship. Sick.

 

[RajBan]

I am no Modi fan (you can see all my past comments).

But Modi is a much better administrator than IK. IK doesn't seem to have any grasp of the economy.

Modi's tenure hasn't led to significant economic success, but he hasn't run the economy to the ground or has made India dependent on another country and IMF economically.

Actually Modi did bulder with his gimmicky demonetization. It put our economy behind by few years. Relatively Modi managed economy better during COVID days. So it's not all black and white.

 

[MenInG]

The Prime Minster Office (PMO) has sought the performance report of the previous Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government from all the ministries within 24 hours.

According to sources, this demand has been met with concern among the ministries, wherein officers are worried about preparing reports for a government that is no longer in office.

The sources added that the staff of former ministers is still being used to disseminate information about official meetings, including the one scheduled at Bani Gala for consultations.

Imran Khan currently serves as the interim prime minister of the country after the dissolution of the National Assembly.

He will continue to remain in office until a caretaker premier assumes charge till another government is elected.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2351497/pmo-seeks-performance-report-of-pti-govt

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: Former finance minister Shaukat Tarin said on Wednesday the PTI had “no economic plan” when it came to power in 2018.

“Economic planning took time and that caused retardation,” said the former finance minister while addressing a press conference at the Sindh Governor House.

Another failure of the PTI government was its inability to fix the state-owned enterprises (SOEs) — an area in which the PTI government achieved “nothing,” said Mr Tarin.

He also accepted blame for failing to develop a “trading floor” that the government could use to hedge against the upswing in the global prices of commodities, he added.

The former finance minister spent the better part of his press conference to rebut the points that PML-N leader Miftah Ismail raised in a presser a day earlier.

As for Mr Ismail’s claim that the current account deficit might touch $20 billion in 2021-22, Mr Tarin said the annual gap should stay below $15bn or four per cent of GDP.

Refutes Miftah’s claim of record current, fiscal deficits

Of the $12bn current account deficit recorded in the first eight months of 2021-22, as much as $11.5bn originated from the increase in the prices of just four items — petroleum products ($6.5bn), coal ($1bn), palm oil ($1bn) and vaccine ($3bn), he said.

“This means we basically left the current account in surplus,” he insisted.

Similarly, he refuted the claim of Mr Ismail that the fiscal deficit in 2021-22 is going to touch an all-time high of 10pc as a percentage of GDP.

“The fiscal deficit is 3.9pc for nine months. It’ll be 6.4pc (for the whole year) and amount to Rs5.1 trillion,” he said.

Responding to the PML-N leader’s claim that the last relief package announced by former premier Imran Khan would enlarge the fiscal deficit, Mr Tarin said the Rs466bn programme will have “no impact” on the next budget.

The relief package will use the funds from a cut in the Public Sector Development Programme (Rs100bn), reduction in the share of provinces (Rs140bn), dividends from state-owned companies (Rs120bn) and additional revenue collection by the Federal Board of Revenue.

About the rapid decline of $5bn in foreign exchange reserves in recent weeks, the former finance minister said the Chinese debt of $2.3bn matured and is sure to be rolled over after a “clean-up period” of two to three weeks.

The settlement of Reko Diq dispute cost reserves another $900m, which will flow back once state-owned energy firms raise dollars for their participation in the mining project.

“If you include these two factors, the reserves’ actual position is $14.5bn. We’ve yet to get $1bn from the International Monetary Fund. We were also going to the (global) capital markets to raise $2.5bn, but decided to wait as interest rates are spiking,” he said.

Published in Dawn, April 14th, 2022

 

[MenInG]

Former prime minister and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has said that he will have to take “unprecedented decisions” to steer the country out of the crises if his party comes into power again.

“Now, we have to find out-of-the-box solutions to govern the country like no one ever had. We have to take those steps which we never took before,” the ousted premier said while addressing a seminar on the economy in Islamabad on Tuesday.

Imran admitted that his administration was not prepared to run the country when it came into power in 2018, saying; “I spoke to [former finance minister] Shaukat Tarin and discussed that we will have to come prepared this time”.

The PTI chief said his party’s foremost priority will be to protect the vulnerable from inflation and the aftermath of devastating floods.

He said overseas Pakistanis will play an important role in stabilising the country’s economy. “We are devising strategy as to how we can facilitate overseas Pakistanis to invest in the country.”

Imran said during his last stint in power he could not solve many problems due to “political instability as opposition from the day one wanted to topple my government”.

Also read: Imran approaches IHC to quash terror charges

He said he started two major projects — Ravi City and Bundal Island — both of which he said had the potential to attract foreign investment worth billions of dollars.

But unfortunately, the Sindh government cancelled the NOC for Bundal Island project and “builder mafia” got a stay order which halted the work on Ravi City project for 11 months.

Hitting out at the incumbent rulers, Imran said they did not take any step to improve the lives of the masses as their only objective is to get “relief in corruption cases”.

“They mocked me when I started the billion tree tsunami project.. they [political rivals] did not make any long-term plans to protect the country from climate change..”

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