What's new

Has India worked out pink ball conditions in Australia?

Junaids

Senior T20I Player
Joined
Jan 12, 2013
Runs
17,956
Post of the Week
11
The signs from the warm-up match at Sydney are really rather mixed.

Until 2019-20:
- the pink ball swung for 40 overs because it was preserved by a grassy pitch.
- runs were easy to make in daytime,
- wickets mainly fell at Adelaide straight after the 620-7 pm dinner break, as day turned to night.
- wickets mainly fell to bowlers who pitched the ball up and swung it. Spinners were mainly useful for the runs that they could score.

In 2019-20, Cricket Australia changed the menu:
- the new pink ball was less lacquered, and only swung for 20 overs like the red Kookaburra.
- the grass was cut short to prevent the Australian batting from collapsing.
- the result was that the pink ball did nothing from overs 20-80 and it was impossible to get batsmen out - even Yasir Shah scored a century (and in his other 41 Tests he has never once even reached 50.)

But India do not seem to be adapting to this history. Shami in particular pitched short and made no effort to harness the unique attributes of the new Pink Ball.
 
That's why a world class spinner like Jadeja is always essential. You need him when the ball gets old.
 
That's why a world class spinner like Jadeja is always essential. You need him when the ball gets old.

I would have him as one of the first names on the team sheet, but for different reasons.

I think that in Asia, a finger spinner like Jadeja will always do well on the doctored wickets which India very reasonably choose to play on.

But as a spinner he is nothing outside Asia - like Shadab Khan he averages around 40 with the ball and 33 with the bat outside Asia, and is a good fielder.

And that's really useful in a Pink Ball Test.

We don't know whether the ball and grass level will be the traditional Adelaide offering or the 2019-20 version. But it is not hard for the whole top order of a team to be removed either side of the tea break, going from 100-1 after 25 overs to 120-6 after 40 overs.

A batsman like Jadeja or Shadab is crucial in that situation - in many ways you need to pick a Pink Ball bowling attack to have two quicks who will bowl very full and then pick your numbers 8 and 9 according to their batting ability.
 
The first Adelaide DN Test finished inside 3 days. First day night test for the batsmen & 2 very good bowling attacks. Still, adjustments needed to be made.

The next vs SA went 4 days but it was still mostly very difficult to bat even vs medicore attacks (Steyn injured so SA only had Rabada really & Oz attack had a couple out too).

The 2017 Adelaide Test went 5 days though.... Ashes match.

Interestingly Day Night cricket takes the toss out of the equation - worldwide matches are almost 50/50 whether you win or lose the toss in DN tests. The extra variable off the timing of sessions & increasingly hard to predict which team will bat when on each day seems to balance out any pitch advantage.

The big change overlooked in your discussion has been the change in the colour of the seam. It is now black, not green & stands out far better. So batsmen have a chance to assess the seam position & a tiny but important clue to how it might swing or just sight the ball better. The lights used to shine & flash or glare off the bright pink but the black provides a steady focus point.

Interestingly Joe Burns has played a number of domestic matches & tests under lights & he says he finds batting easier now than at first against the pink ball. He says the ball still swings like a normal ball soemtimes during the day but at night in Brisbane & Adelaide (our DN venues) the dew on the wicket also adds moisture & quickens /freshens it up to act a but livelier.

I'm not sure we have a large enough sample to judge on yet. Interesting to watch though.
 
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.
 
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.

Doctored pitches or not. Australia, south Africa and new Zealand all doctor their pitches even better to suit their bowlers etc.

India actually produced fair pitches post 2015.
 
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.

Shadab would do really well to get 170 wickets in Asia. But I doubt that will happen.
 
So what should be the strategy to bowl in D/N matches then? Especially, during the 20-80 overs where batting becomes extremely easy.. The two Aussie batsmen made 100s, Pant and Vihari made 100s, even Bumrah made a 50! What should the bowlers do in such conditions ?
 
I covered this in another thread.

Outside Asia the Test records of Shadab Khan and Ravendra Jadeja are remarkably similar.

Lol. Shadab has played only 6 tests and 1 of them was in Ireland. Still if you check their stats against common oppositions, Jadeja has been a far better bowler. Iirc average of 33 Vs Shadab’s 44. In fact Jadeja’s away stats got destroyed playing in NZ where Shadab is yet to play. IIRC he averages less than 30 in all barring 2 countries. One of them is NZ where he averages ~60.
 
Last edited:
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.

ROFL world class spinner.He is not even a spinner he doesn't turn the ball.Awful player only good in indian doctored pitches.
 
But that’s besides the point. Shadab’s inferior stats to Jadeja should not be taken too seriously either coz he’s played only 6 tests.
 
ROFL world class spinner.He is not even a spinner he doesn't turn the ball.Awful player only good in indian doctored pitches.
You’re confusing him with Yasir Shah. Jadeja is the one who averages less than 30 in all except 2 countries.
 
I think, there is only two major confusion in Indian XI - weather to play Behari at No. 6 batsman or Pandeya, who doesn't bowl much these days - so basically, it's the choice between a specialist batsman who bowls part-time offie and a LO all-rounder, who bowls few overs of medium pace but in tremendous batting for right now. And - Pant or Saha? I probably will go for Pandeya because current for matters. If he is fit, Ashwin should always be first/only choice of spin but India might surprise with Kuldeep as well - Jadeja I think is third in order. Rest are like to like options,

1. Agarwal
2. Gill/Shaw/KL
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahne
6. Pant
7. Pandeya
8. Ashwin
9. Shami
10. Bumrah
11. Siraj/Yadav

1-0 to Aussies ..............:(, but it'll be really a tight game if IND wins the toss.
 
I think, there is only two major confusion in Indian XI - weather to play Behari at No. 6 batsman or Pandeya, who doesn't bowl much these days - so basically, it's the choice between a specialist batsman who bowls part-time offie and a LO all-rounder, who bowls few overs of medium pace but in tremendous batting for right now. And - Pant or Saha? I probably will go for Pandeya because current for matters. If he is fit, Ashwin should always be first/only choice of spin but India might surprise with Kuldeep as well - Jadeja I think is third in order. Rest are like to like options,

1. Agarwal
2. Gill/Shaw/KL
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahne
6. Pant
7. Pandeya
8. Ashwin
9. Shami
10. Bumrah
11. Siraj/Yadav

1-0 to Aussies ..............:(, but it'll be really a tight game if IND wins the toss.

Pandya is back in India with his family. I guess he wasn't fit enough and also wanted to be with his new born.
 
You’re confusing him with Yasir Shah. Jadeja is the one who averages less than 30 in all except 2 countries.
LOL he wish he were Yasir Shah who has actually win tests overseas.Jadeja can only dream of him being as good as Yasir.
 
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.

Jadeja is twice the cricketer Shadab is and the latter will never reach the heights the former has with the ball.

Jadeja is superior to Shadab in all three departments. At best, Shadab can be considered a poor man’s Jadeja.
 
Earlier, I had zero expectation but now I feel we can win one game certainly. The players have got enough experience to these conditions, it's just about getting the right timing to bat and bowl.

Shami can go inconsistent with his length sometime like in NZ first test but when in right rythm, he is a genuine wicket-taker and gives you wickets upfront.
 
Earlier, I had zero expectation but now I feel we can win one game certainly. The players have got enough experience to these conditions, it's just about getting the right timing to bat and bowl.

Shami can go inconsistent with his length sometime like in NZ first test but when in right rythm, he is a genuine wicket-taker and gives you wickets upfront.

Mark my words. If India wins 4 tosses, India wins the series 2 0 or 3 0

If Australia wins 4 tosses,

Australia 2 0.

Yes India is better when they win tosses even with a weakened team due to injuries.

Australia ARE NOT facing India's full strength team.
 
Mark my words. If India wins 4 tosses, India wins the series 2 0 or 3 0

If Australia wins 4 tosses,

Australia 2 0.

Yes India is better when they win tosses even with a weakened team due to injuries.

Australia ARE NOT facing India's full strength team.

Adelaide- India's best chance with Warner and Rohit not playing

Brisbane- We will lose irrespective of toss

Melbourne- Australia advantage

Sydney- India advantage but it generally rains a lot so I expect a draw
 
Adelaide- India's best chance with Warner and Rohit not playing

Brisbane- We will lose irrespective of toss

Melbourne- Australia advantage

Sydney- India advantage but it generally rains a lot so I expect a draw

I think we will win brisbane quite comfortably. They think it's a fortress but that's a perfect pitch for bumrah and Shami.
If India wins the toss in brisbane it's over.


Melbourne I agree is advantage Australia. Complete Patta.
 
I think we will win brisbane quite comfortably. They think it's a fortress but that's a perfect pitch for bumrah and Shami.
If India wins the toss in brisbane it's over.


Melbourne I agree is advantage Australia. Complete Patta.

Australia have never lost in Brisbane after 1988. Last time, they defeated us in Brisbane even without Smith and Warner. This time, we will be playing in Brisbane without Kohli who was the only one to hit a hundred for us in that test and they will be playing with Smith and Warner.

I have no hopes with Brisbane test.
 
Australia have never lost in Brisbane after 1988. Last time, they defeated us in Brisbane even without Smith and Warner. This time, we will be playing in Brisbane without Kohli who was the only one to hit a hundred for us in that test and they will be playing with Smith and Warner.

I have no hopes with Brisbane test.

You are confusing Perth with Brisbane here.

We didn't play any Test at the Gabba last time around. :)
 
Australia have never lost in Brisbane after 1988. Last time, they defeated us in Brisbane even without Smith and Warner. This time, we will be playing in Brisbane without Kohli who was the only one to hit a hundred for us in that test and they will be playing with Smith and Warner.

I have no hopes with Brisbane test.

We played in Perth last time. Not Gabba.
I have full faith in our bowling. We will surprise them in brisbane.
 
Mark my words. If India wins 4 tosses, India wins the series 2 0 or 3 0

If Australia wins 4 tosses,

Australia 2 0.

Yes India is better when they win tosses even with a weakened team due to injuries.

Australia ARE NOT facing India's full strength team.

Australia too have injuries. Warner, Pucovski and Green are all 1st XI players and they all may be unavailable
 
I covered this in another thread.

Outside Asia the Test records of Shadab Khan and Ravendra Jadeja are remarkably similar.

They play half their tests in Asia though - they both are poor outside Asia but one is brilliant within it
 
Australia too have injuries. Warner, Pucovski and Green are all 1st XI players and they all may be unavailable
Puckovski is finished. Australia should not even consider playing him. They should be fined if they do. Dude has been concussed way too many times.
Green is alright but he has that novelty factor ofcourse.

Same for Jamieson from n.z.
Real aukat will be seen outside n.z. especially in Asia.
 
I honestly have very little hope for the Pink test, would be absolutely delighted though if India proves me wrong.
 
Can you please list out tough Australian pitches to bat (Order wise)

It changes over time and not necessarily there is any hard & fast rule. Also, drop down wickets, LO wickets have destroyed the typical characters of Aussie tracks these days but once it was the ultimate Test for batsmen- a six Test series in Australia basically offers the batsmen everything there - the full cycle.

In general, these are/were characters of six Aussie Test venues:

Gabba : it swings most there, cracks as well and if there is a little grass, it’s quite tough to bat there. Aussies have best home record there partially because it suits there attack but main reason is that often Australian season start with first Test at Gabba, sometimes in late November.... and tourists are at gun point by the end of day 2..... the biggest mistake that touring side can do is to look at the bounce & grass .... then put Aussies into bat - Warne probably has the best career stats there. But, then batting first, you might be 250 behind after day 3....

WACA (old): the fastest & bounciest track in world and because of 90%+ clay content, baked by 40C WA summer under scorching sun, by third day cracks open up and by 5th day it widens up to an inch .... reasonable if the cracks are along the length of wicket; but some of them opens up across and around good length .... but, not necessarily WACA is the worst place to bat - once set, good back foot players can enjoy the pace & carry of the tracks, it’s like hard court tennis. You need to acclimatise there with the bounce, otherwise...... touring side often loose the practice game there....... and, Aussies know how to make life difficult- become cricket world was robbed by T20, Aussies used to schedule first two (3, if Hobert also gets a Test) Tests at Gabba & WACA - by mid December, tourists are 2-0 down n a 3 Test series .... this one probably least Toss depending track - you have to play well here otherwise Aussies will bounce you out in any day.

Adelaide: best batting track in Australia for three reasons - 1. The wickets are fantastic, least bouncy, but quick & even paced/bounced 2. The shape of the ground allows touring batsmen to play squire of the wicket shots with confidence against typical Aussie length bowling 3. Traditional days, Adelaide used to host Australia Day Test (26 Jan), means Test starts by 4th month of Aussie summer & wickets are more brown than green. If you are a good timer of the ball, there is no better place to bat In World than Adelaide oval, particularly once set. One interesting feature in Adelaide is that, the wicket remains true all through and it has produced some of the best ever comebacks in cricket - that third innings in Adelaide either with bat or ball determined many Tests; the team keeps strong till day 4 often ends up winning there, regardless of first innings.

MCG: the most notorious Aussie track - the wicket is often slow, uneven and size of that boundary often takes spirit out of fielders/batsmen. And, old days you had to send it to crowd to hit a six, with one of the slowest outfield in cricket. It does challenge batsmen but often not from bowling rather for other factors I mentioned. MCG is probably slowest Aussie track and if they put grass on it, it’s more like English tracks without the swing (& cloud). It’s a batting first track - the most one sided in Australia that’s depending on toss - not necessarily you have to bat first always, but if you are put in, be sure that first morning is going to be hell tough. MCG comes with lots of romanticism, but honestly- it’s the worst of all Aussie tracks in general- in 1970s & 1980s.... it was the Sheikh Zayed of Australian venues - dead slow, low and later uneven.

SCG: the second best batting track in Australia (WACA is second when it’s a batting day, but not always) - wickets have very good pace & true carry, but not stiff bounce. Depending on the amount of moisture left on the wicket, it’ll depend which type of bowlers will dominate the game (pace or spin), but in general SCG is a good batting strip; however unlike Adelaide, it’s difficult to bat last here means once you are behind in first innings, it’s near impossible to recover. SCG was always a fast track, but in recent times they have made it dry, hence it suits Asian teams more, but till 1970s, it was pace dominated track.

Hobert: it seems there and if wind blowing from Tasman bay, it’ll swing - probably the toughest track to bat in Australia unless there is some special issues in other venues. But, Hobert doesn’t host many Tests and I can’t recall any draw there. It probably has changed characters over the years with regular cricket but it was a seemer’s track in past - not much clue now.

..... remember, this is till 2000s - since then Aussie cricket is spoiled by drop down wickets and T20 cricket - now, every track looks similar - grand trunk road with bounce... and Aussies hammer tourists with their tall, hit the deck pacers.
 
It changes over time and not necessarily there is any hard & fast rule. Also, drop down wickets, LO wickets have destroyed the typical characters of Aussie tracks these days but once it was the ultimate Test for batsmen- a six Test series in Australia basically offers the batsmen everything there - the full cycle.

In general, these are/were characters of six Aussie Test venues:

Gabba : it swings most there, cracks as well and if there is a little grass, it’s quite tough to bat there. Aussies have best home record there partially because it suits there attack but main reason is that often Australian season start with first Test at Gabba, sometimes in late November.... and tourists are at gun point by the end of day 2..... the biggest mistake that touring side can do is to look at the bounce & grass .... then put Aussies into bat - Warne probably has the best career stats there. But, then batting first, you might be 250 behind after day 3....

WACA (old): the fastest & bounciest track in world and because of 90%+ clay content, baked by 40C WA summer under scorching sun, by third day cracks open up and by 5th day it widens up to an inch .... reasonable if the cracks are along the length of wicket; but some of them opens up across and around good length .... but, not necessarily WACA is the worst place to bat - once set, good back foot players can enjoy the pace & carry of the tracks, it’s like hard court tennis. You need to acclimatise there with the bounce, otherwise...... touring side often loose the practice game there....... and, Aussies know how to make life difficult- become cricket world was robbed by T20, Aussies used to schedule first two (3, if Hobert also gets a Test) Tests at Gabba & WACA - by mid December, tourists are 2-0 down n a 3 Test series .... this one probably least Toss depending track - you have to play well here otherwise Aussies will bounce you out in any day.

Adelaide: best batting track in Australia for three reasons - 1. The wickets are fantastic, least bouncy, but quick & even paced/bounced 2. The shape of the ground allows touring batsmen to play squire of the wicket shots with confidence against typical Aussie length bowling 3. Traditional days, Adelaide used to host Australia Day Test (26 Jan), means Test starts by 4th month of Aussie summer & wickets are more brown than green. If you are a good timer of the ball, there is no better place to bat In World than Adelaide oval, particularly once set. One interesting feature in Adelaide is that, the wicket remains true all through and it has produced some of the best ever comebacks in cricket - that third innings in Adelaide either with bat or ball determined many Tests; the team keeps strong till day 4 often ends up winning there, regardless of first innings.

MCG: the most notorious Aussie track - the wicket is often slow, uneven and size of that boundary often takes spirit out of fielders/batsmen. And, old days you had to send it to crowd to hit a six, with one of the slowest outfield in cricket. It does challenge batsmen but often not from bowling rather for other factors I mentioned. MCG is probably slowest Aussie track and if they put grass on it, it’s more like English tracks without the swing (& cloud). It’s a batting first track - the most one sided in Australia that’s depending on toss - not necessarily you have to bat first always, but if you are put in, be sure that first morning is going to be hell tough. MCG comes with lots of romanticism, but honestly- it’s the worst of all Aussie tracks in general- in 1970s & 1980s.... it was the Sheikh Zayed of Australian venues - dead slow, low and later uneven.

SCG: the second best batting track in Australia (WACA is second when it’s a batting day, but not always) - wickets have very good pace & true carry, but not stiff bounce. Depending on the amount of moisture left on the wicket, it’ll depend which type of bowlers will dominate the game (pace or spin), but in general SCG is a good batting strip; however unlike Adelaide, it’s difficult to bat last here means once you are behind in first innings, it’s near impossible to recover. SCG was always a fast track, but in recent times they have made it dry, hence it suits Asian teams more, but till 1970s, it was pace dominated track.

Hobert: it seems there and if wind blowing from Tasman bay, it’ll swing - probably the toughest track to bat in Australia unless there is some special issues in other venues. But, Hobert doesn’t host many Tests and I can’t recall any draw there. It probably has changed characters over the years with regular cricket but it was a seemer’s track in past - not much clue now.

..... remember, this is till 2000s - since then Aussie cricket is spoiled by drop down wickets and T20 cricket - now, every track looks similar - grand trunk road with bounce... and Aussies hammer tourists with their tall, hit the deck pacers.

Great post!

WACA is most suited to South Africans and for SC teams especially for India, their best bet used to be Adelaide and Sydney.

Also another point, I have very rarely seen Australia lose toss in GABBA for some reason or other, dunno why and their record is there for everyone to see in GABBA.
 
It changes over time and not necessarily there is any hard & fast rule. Also, drop down wickets, LO wickets have destroyed the typical characters of Aussie tracks these days but once it was the ultimate Test for batsmen- a six Test series in Australia basically offers the batsmen everything there - the full cycle.

In general, these are/were characters of six Aussie Test venues:

Gabba : it swings most there, cracks as well and if there is a little grass, it’s quite tough to bat there. Aussies have best home record there partially because it suits there attack but main reason is that often Australian season start with first Test at Gabba, sometimes in late November.... and tourists are at gun point by the end of day 2..... the biggest mistake that touring side can do is to look at the bounce & grass .... then put Aussies into bat - Warne probably has the best career stats there. But, then batting first, you might be 250 behind after day 3....

WACA (old): the fastest & bounciest track in world and because of 90%+ clay content, baked by 40C WA summer under scorching sun, by third day cracks open up and by 5th day it widens up to an inch .... reasonable if the cracks are along the length of wicket; but some of them opens up across and around good length .... but, not necessarily WACA is the worst place to bat - once set, good back foot players can enjoy the pace & carry of the tracks, it’s like hard court tennis. You need to acclimatise there with the bounce, otherwise...... touring side often loose the practice game there....... and, Aussies know how to make life difficult- become cricket world was robbed by T20, Aussies used to schedule first two (3, if Hobert also gets a Test) Tests at Gabba & WACA - by mid December, tourists are 2-0 down n a 3 Test series .... this one probably least Toss depending track - you have to play well here otherwise Aussies will bounce you out in any day.

Adelaide: best batting track in Australia for three reasons - 1. The wickets are fantastic, least bouncy, but quick & even paced/bounced 2. The shape of the ground allows touring batsmen to play squire of the wicket shots with confidence against typical Aussie length bowling 3. Traditional days, Adelaide used to host Australia Day Test (26 Jan), means Test starts by 4th month of Aussie summer & wickets are more brown than green. If you are a good timer of the ball, there is no better place to bat In World than Adelaide oval, particularly once set. One interesting feature in Adelaide is that, the wicket remains true all through and it has produced some of the best ever comebacks in cricket - that third innings in Adelaide either with bat or ball determined many Tests; the team keeps strong till day 4 often ends up winning there, regardless of first innings.

MCG: the most notorious Aussie track - the wicket is often slow, uneven and size of that boundary often takes spirit out of fielders/batsmen. And, old days you had to send it to crowd to hit a six, with one of the slowest outfield in cricket. It does challenge batsmen but often not from bowling rather for other factors I mentioned. MCG is probably slowest Aussie track and if they put grass on it, it’s more like English tracks without the swing (& cloud). It’s a batting first track - the most one sided in Australia that’s depending on toss - not necessarily you have to bat first always, but if you are put in, be sure that first morning is going to be hell tough. MCG comes with lots of romanticism, but honestly- it’s the worst of all Aussie tracks in general- in 1970s & 1980s.... it was the Sheikh Zayed of Australian venues - dead slow, low and later uneven.

SCG: the second best batting track in Australia (WACA is second when it’s a batting day, but not always) - wickets have very good pace & true carry, but not stiff bounce. Depending on the amount of moisture left on the wicket, it’ll depend which type of bowlers will dominate the game (pace or spin), but in general SCG is a good batting strip; however unlike Adelaide, it’s difficult to bat last here means once you are behind in first innings, it’s near impossible to recover. SCG was always a fast track, but in recent times they have made it dry, hence it suits Asian teams more, but till 1970s, it was pace dominated track.

Hobert: it seems there and if wind blowing from Tasman bay, it’ll swing - probably the toughest track to bat in Australia unless there is some special issues in other venues. But, Hobert doesn’t host many Tests and I can’t recall any draw there. It probably has changed characters over the years with regular cricket but it was a seemer’s track in past - not much clue now.

..... remember, this is till 2000s - since then Aussie cricket is spoiled by drop down wickets and T20 cricket - now, every track looks similar - grand trunk road with bounce... and Aussies hammer tourists with their tall, hit the deck pacers.

Great Post, Thank you.
 
Just to highlight the Jadeja dichotomy as a bowler:

IN ASIA:
170 wickets in 35 Tests at 21.65
1291 runs at 40.34

OUTSIDE ASIA:
43 wickets in 14 Tests at 36.40
678 runs at 30.82

Very similar to Shadab outside Asia, just not quite as good.

These stats tell me that Jadeja is Imran Khan level all-rounder in Asia and Shadab level outside Asia. So, Jadeja stands somewhere between Imran Khan and Shadab Khan.
 
Great post!

WACA is most suited to South Africans and for SC teams especially for India, their best bet used to be Adelaide and Sydney.

Also another point, I have very rarely seen Australia lose toss in GABBA for some reason or other, dunno why and their record is there for everyone to see in GABBA.



I hope India wins at the Gabba, otherwise Gabba will overtake Pakistan's National stadium Karachi as Fortress no.1
 
It changes over time and not necessarily there is any hard & fast rule. Also, drop down wickets, LO wickets have destroyed the typical characters of Aussie tracks these days but once it was the ultimate Test for batsmen- a six Test series in Australia basically offers the batsmen everything there - the full cycle.

In general, these are/were characters of six Aussie Test venues:

Gabba : it swings most there, cracks as well and if there is a little grass, it’s quite tough to bat there. Aussies have best home record there partially because it suits there attack but main reason is that often Australian season start with first Test at Gabba, sometimes in late November.... and tourists are at gun point by the end of day 2..... the biggest mistake that touring side can do is to look at the bounce & grass .... then put Aussies into bat - Warne probably has the best career stats there. But, then batting first, you might be 250 behind after day 3....

WACA (old): the fastest & bounciest track in world and because of 90%+ clay content, baked by 40C WA summer under scorching sun, by third day cracks open up and by 5th day it widens up to an inch .... reasonable if the cracks are along the length of wicket; but some of them opens up across and around good length .... but, not necessarily WACA is the worst place to bat - once set, good back foot players can enjoy the pace & carry of the tracks, it’s like hard court tennis. You need to acclimatise there with the bounce, otherwise...... touring side often loose the practice game there....... and, Aussies know how to make life difficult- become cricket world was robbed by T20, Aussies used to schedule first two (3, if Hobert also gets a Test) Tests at Gabba & WACA - by mid December, tourists are 2-0 down n a 3 Test series .... this one probably least Toss depending track - you have to play well here otherwise Aussies will bounce you out in any day.

Adelaide: best batting track in Australia for three reasons - 1. The wickets are fantastic, least bouncy, but quick & even paced/bounced 2. The shape of the ground allows touring batsmen to play squire of the wicket shots with confidence against typical Aussie length bowling 3. Traditional days, Adelaide used to host Australia Day Test (26 Jan), means Test starts by 4th month of Aussie summer & wickets are more brown than green. If you are a good timer of the ball, there is no better place to bat In World than Adelaide oval, particularly once set. One interesting feature in Adelaide is that, the wicket remains true all through and it has produced some of the best ever comebacks in cricket - that third innings in Adelaide either with bat or ball determined many Tests; the team keeps strong till day 4 often ends up winning there, regardless of first innings.

MCG: the most notorious Aussie track - the wicket is often slow, uneven and size of that boundary often takes spirit out of fielders/batsmen. And, old days you had to send it to crowd to hit a six, with one of the slowest outfield in cricket. It does challenge batsmen but often not from bowling rather for other factors I mentioned. MCG is probably slowest Aussie track and if they put grass on it, it’s more like English tracks without the swing (& cloud). It’s a batting first track - the most one sided in Australia that’s depending on toss - not necessarily you have to bat first always, but if you are put in, be sure that first morning is going to be hell tough. MCG comes with lots of romanticism, but honestly- it’s the worst of all Aussie tracks in general- in 1970s & 1980s.... it was the Sheikh Zayed of Australian venues - dead slow, low and later uneven.

SCG: the second best batting track in Australia (WACA is second when it’s a batting day, but not always) - wickets have very good pace & true carry, but not stiff bounce. Depending on the amount of moisture left on the wicket, it’ll depend which type of bowlers will dominate the game (pace or spin), but in general SCG is a good batting strip; however unlike Adelaide, it’s difficult to bat last here means once you are behind in first innings, it’s near impossible to recover. SCG was always a fast track, but in recent times they have made it dry, hence it suits Asian teams more, but till 1970s, it was pace dominated track.

Hobert: it seems there and if wind blowing from Tasman bay, it’ll swing - probably the toughest track to bat in Australia unless there is some special issues in other venues. But, Hobert doesn’t host many Tests and I can’t recall any draw there. It probably has changed characters over the years with regular cricket but it was a seemer’s track in past - not much clue now.

..... remember, this is till 2000s - since then Aussie cricket is spoiled by drop down wickets and T20 cricket - now, every track looks similar - grand trunk road with bounce... and Aussies hammer tourists with their tall, hit the deck pacers.

Good post.

I'll only add that the Gabba is now regarded as the fastest deck in the country.

Perth stadium (WACA is retired- no longer in international use) is showing some promise. It has some pace & bounce- it may end up reviving the old WACA & be better than Brisbane but the sample is small & the clay is still settling.

When the Freemantle doctor blows, Perth swings. When it doesn't & you get set- runs flow.

Hobart is usually left pretty green these days. If not, it's a slow, low pitch like an old NZ pitch more than an Aussie one. Interesting that both NZ & Hobart often leave their pitches green these days.
 
I covered this in another thread.

Outside Asia the Test records of Shadab Khan and Ravendra Jadeja are remarkably similar.

Shadab has done nothing of note against top teams in Test Cricket. Just one 50 against England.
As i said, I don't rate him much but he can always surprise me like Steve Smith did.
But, as of now, Jadeja is a superior bowler, batsman and in fielding Jadeja is best in the world at the moment.
So, lets see how Shadab goes in Test cricket.
 
The pink ball creates a very peculiar contest between bat and ball at different stages of the game. Batsmen who have allowed themselves to settle have been gleefully scoring runs and rotating strike in the phases where the pink ball becomes almost dead with nothing to offer.

However, good bowlers have been able to bowl in channels to threaten batsmen and bring out irrational shots. Once a wicket falls early to the pink ball, it makes it pretty easy to tear a hole in the top order, if the bowling attack is good.

Looking at India's squad, the weakest link is Prithvi Shaw. He will most certainly get out playing an irrational shot or being cleaned up by some quality bowling. I'd bring on Starc against Prithvi to breach the bat-pad gap and get an LBW.

Moving on, Cheteshwar Pujara is one of the key determinants of how this series ends towards India. If he can be the rock that he usually is, it will allow people to build around him and get runs. If he falls, then I think that India will be done and dusted.

For spinners, the pink ball is quite unique. It doesn't turn much and frankly, it offers nothing. Spinners need to be very conservative with their bowling, they cannot give hit-me balls. Lyon shows great discipline in his bowling, and if Ashwin can do that, it will be beneficial for India.
 
The pink ball creates a very peculiar contest between bat and ball at different stages of the game. Batsmen who have allowed themselves to settle have been gleefully scoring runs and rotating strike in the phases where the pink ball becomes almost dead with nothing to offer.

However, good bowlers have been able to bowl in channels to threaten batsmen and bring out irrational shots. Once a wicket falls early to the pink ball, it makes it pretty easy to tear a hole in the top order, if the bowling attack is good.

Looking at India's squad, the weakest link is Prithvi Shaw. He will most certainly get out playing an irrational shot or being cleaned up by some quality bowling. I'd bring on Starc against Prithvi to breach the bat-pad gap and get an LBW.

Moving on, Cheteshwar Pujara is one of the key determinants of how this series ends towards India. If he can be the rock that he usually is, it will allow people to build around him and get runs. If he falls, then I think that India will be done and dusted.

For spinners, the pink ball is quite unique. It doesn't turn much and frankly, it offers nothing. Spinners need to be very conservative with their bowling, they cannot give hit-me balls. Lyon shows great discipline in his bowling, and if Ashwin can do that, it will be beneficial for India.

Very good analysis. Hope India does well in the Adelaide test.
 
Back
Top