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"I have never seen the ball reverse like that in 20 overs”: Heinrich Klaasen [speaking after the 1st ODI vs Pakistan]

Just say something against Pakistan and Indian fans will support you. Klassen ki toh nikal padi i won't be surprised if he gets a 5% share in srh.
 
When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.
 
Rajdeep said:
When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.
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Oh ok.

Here we go.

The Indian point of view explained well.
 
Rajdeep said:
When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.
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Yeah. It is better to come with some proofs instead of just allegations... Better to make your case strong...
 
Rajdeep said:
When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.
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Bumrah test results please
 
IMMY69 said:
Bumrah test results please
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No international cricketer or umpire has accused Bumrah of chucking like Moises Henriques did for Hasnain or like how Klassen is accusing Pak team of ball tampering. If anything, experts like Ian Pont & Ian Bishop has detailed why Bumrah don't chuck after they got relentless spamming from insecure Pakistanis like yourself to speak on this subject. I can understand Bumrah becoming the best seamer of all time from Asia is bit of a tough pill to swallow for some here but unfortunately you need to cope with the reality rather than sulking.
 
Rajdeep said:
No international cricketer or umpire has accused Bumrah of chucking like Moises Henriques did for Hasnain or like how Klassen is accusing Pak team of ball tampering. If anything, experts like Ian Pont & Ian Bishop has detailed why Bumrah don't chuck after they got relentless spamming from insecure Pakistanis like yourself to speak on this subject. I can understand Bumrah becoming the best seamer of all time from Asia is bit of a tough pill to swallow for some here but unfortunately you need to cope with the reality rather than sulking.
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Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.
 
Rashid Latif, during a conversation on a YouTube channel:

"The key point is that after Aaqib's arrival, the reverse swing has been achieved. Reverse swing doesn't come so quickly in South Africa, but we took it, by force. This has been our weapon, whether it's right or wrong, we did it."

"Shaheen Shah Afridi has made a big impact with his reverse swing. Reverse swing has been our weapon, and it was missing; Shaheen has brought it back."
 
IMMY69 said:
Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.
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Do you know what chucking means? A genuine question.

You have to bend it forward and then straighten it to chuck. You can't chuck with slingy action.
 
Needs to have proof. Not just hey it's reversing so you are tampering the ball.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Rashid Latif, during a conversation on a YouTube channel:

"The key point is that after Aaqib's arrival, the reverse swing has been achieved. Reverse swing doesn't come so quickly in South Africa, but we took it, by force. This has been our weapon, whether it's right or wrong, we did it."

"Shaheen Shah Afridi has made a big impact with his reverse swing. Reverse swing has been our weapon, and it was missing; Shaheen has brought it back."
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Basically Rashid Latif is saying the same what I said yesterday that Aqib Javed is behind this exaggerated reverse swing. Another example of what Rajdeep talk today, world does tomorrow.
 
IMMY69 said:
Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.
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Please don't bore us or change the topic of this thread. You ain't fooling anyone.
 
IMMY69 said:
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.
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So what's the point of testing him..? You'd say exact same thing ie he cleared the test due to moola, nothing else..
 
Rajdeep said:
No smoke without fire. A player like Klassen will not say things for the sake of it. He definitely noticed something fishy and pointed it out. Good on him.

Aqib Javed is the coach of Pakistan right? So won't be surprised if he passed on the tampering skills to his players like he himself used to do back in his playing days.
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Ask Sudhir choudary to do DNA on this.
 
Buffet said:
Do you know what chucking means? A genuine question.

You have to bend it forward and then straighten it to chuck. You can't chuck with slingy action.
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Akhtar had hyperextension but had to be tested to prove this
 
IMMY69 said:
Akhtar had hyperextension but had to be tested to prove this
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If you think Bumrah is chucking then you should be able to explain what you understanding of chucking means and how Bumrah chucks?

Not understanding of XYZ cricketer or any history. What's your understanding of chucking?
 
Buffet said:
If you think Bumrah is chucking then you should be able to explain what you understanding of chucking means and how Bumrah chucks?

Not understanding of XYZ cricketer or any history. What's your understanding of chucking?
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Well isn't that the point?
Precisely why he should be checked
 
Anyway, let's not derail the thread.

Thread is about Klaasen accusing Pakistan for ball tampering. I don't think any player should do that unless they have proof. We are not playing in odler era where players could tamper easily.

Now ball goes back to umpires after every over and cameras are around. Unlees you have proof, you shouldn't accuse anyone for tampering.
 
IMMY69 said:
Well isn't that the point?
Precisely why he should be checked
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So you can't explain what chucking means to you and how it applies Bumrah?

Your logic is since XYZ was tested after getting reported in past so everyone should be tested? That's different than you saying/thinking that a specific player chucks. Two different issue. I was more interested in how you understand chucking personally.

Anyway, let's not derail this thread. Let's keep this thread on topic. I am sure there are many threads for chucking. We can pick up one of those treads to discuss it.
 
Rajdeep said:
When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.
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I never understood this argument of "X happened in Year Y so therefore Z must be true."

Hasnain was indeed proven to be chucking and he was held accountable. And yes Pakistan tampered in the past in an era with no neutral umpires and minimal TV coverage.

However Klaasen has no proof of what he's insinuating here. If he had any concerns, talk to the umpires and match referee instead of mouthing off in a press conference after your side lost again.

Supersport have over two dozen HD cameras at the ground. Did they find anything untoward ? We know how quick they were to highlight the use of sandpaper by Australia.

South Africa of all teams have no right to take the moral high ground on this issue when their ex-captain was caught red-handed using zippers and sweets.
 
If Klaasen didn't saw reverse swing like that before then he had seen nothing yet. It wasn't even reverse swinging that much. Wait till he face real reverse swing v Pakistan CT.
 
Markhor said:
I never understood this argument of "X happened in Year Y so therefore Z must be true."

Hasnain was indeed proven to be chucking and he was held accountable. And yes Pakistan tampered in the past in an era with no neutral umpires and minimal TV coverage.

However Klaasen has no proof of what he's insinuating here. If he had any concerns, talk to the umpires and match referee instead of mouthing off in a press conference after your side lost again.
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+ 100

Hasnain chucking or Pakistan tampering in past is irrelevant.

You need to have some proof to accuse Pakistan for tampering in modern era. You can't just say that , look ball is reversing so it means Pakistani is tampering because they did in past.

It's not old era. If you have something to say, talk to umpires and referee. There are lots of cameras around and officials can go and look for evidence of tampering. Klaasen is not some random fan and saying something like this after losing the match looks bad.
 
Time to keep an eye on the reverse swing again with the test match starting today. Klassen just opened the pandora's box.
 
Rajdeep said:
Time to keep an eye on the reverse swing again with the test match starting today. Klassen just opened the pandora's box.
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Bumrah clearly chucked the ball that got Travis Head out , should be ban for life without even getting a chance to test his action , reason ? A random fan on the Internet said so.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Bumrah clearly chucked the ball that got Travis Head out , should be ban for life without even getting a chance to test his action , reason ? A random fan on the Internet said so.
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This thread is not about Bumrah, Klassen is not a random fan on internet. You seem to be upset for some reason.
 
Rajdeep said:
This thread is not about Bumrah, Klassen is not a random fan on internet. You seem to be upset for some reason.
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When Sachin used to drive 155 kph inswinging yorkers straight down the ground for boundaries, it felt almost unfair—like he was defying the laws of cricket. That’s what true talent does: it makes the impossible seem effortless.

Shaheen Afridi was the only bowler consistently reverse swinging the ball in the series because he has the pace and action and the skill. At least from what I saw, no other Pakistani bowler managed the same. Shaheen is a generational talent. He’s had his ups and downs, but in ODIs, he is regal.

As for the claims by Klassen, if he has proof, he should present it. With cameras everywhere and umpires regularly checking the ball’s condition, baseless accusations don’t hold much weight. And the excuse that “no one else has done it on this ground” is absurd. Just because Klassen hasn’t seen something happen before doesn’t make it impossible.
 
Rana said:
Don’t take this lightly
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There are two ways to it.

One is the legal way and the other is the illegal way.

Umar Gul knew the legal way where the ball was thrown from the boundary and allowed to do a one bounce on the square of the wicket that would impact the ball.

So what klassen mentioned, was any evidence ever shown?
 
Major said:
Umar Gul knew the legal way where the ball was thrown from the boundary and allowed to do a one bounce on the square of the wicket that would impact the ball
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This 100% happened during the series and I called it out in the match thread too.

This is not legal btw. Umpires do not allow players to do this anymore.
 
Rana said:
This 100% happened during the series and I called it out in the match thread too.

This is not legal btw. Umpires do not allow players to do this anymore.
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The one bounce rule has changed??

Ah damn.

But im not that edgy about ball tempering tbh. Unlike alot of posters here that go crazy over it.
 
My hunch is that PSL had been off to a terrible start from a PR point of view and this is sadly a desperate attempt to bring some attention to a league struggling to catch any international attention right now considering IPL is being played in front of packed houses.

This is what we are doing now to get attention and it’s terrible.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @Suleiman This has the vibe of KO telling fans the 'truth' about Cody and being hated for it... only to be proven right years later
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😂
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Real talk though, my initial reaction to his statement was I don’t think he’s accusing, just making an observation.

But if a Saffer was to accuse, I don’t think I’d be able to take them serious after Zippergate of ‘13 :wenger :asghar
 
Major said:
There are two ways to it.

One is the legal way and the other is the illegal way.

Umar Gul knew the legal way where the ball was thrown from the boundary and allowed to do a one bounce on the square of the wicket that would impact the ball.

So what klassen mentioned, was any evidence ever shown?
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Gul was smart about it unlike some others :afridi
 
Hitman said:
PCB is the only board in the world that welcomed a convicted match fixer back in their national team.
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Not just board fans idiots Pakistan fans like @Rana is biggest supporter of fixer players like sharjeel and Aamir.

Board se leke players se leke supporters sab ek jase hai. ...

:klopp :kp
 
Suleiman said:
Can laugh about it now but man was it sad to see that match slip away so fast… especially after the 3-0 sweep SA did to Pak earlier that year and being 1-0 up and the prospect of getting some vengeance before the 2nd test.
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Was that the series where I think in Port Elizabeth we were on the brink of winning but Misbah played a silly reverse scoop which then led to a collapse
 
shaz619 said:
He should have had a better Test career, had all the tools & wasn’t lost mentally like say a Shaheen.
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Injuries finished him. Even when he was fit, consistency wasn't a strong point.

He'd look great for a couple of matches and then go missing completely for the rest of the year.

He was far more comfortable in white ball cricket
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Injuries finished him. Even when he was fit, consistency wasn't a strong point.

He'd look great for a couple of matches and then go missing completely for the rest of the year.

He was far more comfortable in white ball cricket
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Difficult to get into any kind of rhythm with repeated injuries, he spent a good chunk of his Test career rebuilding opposed to levelling up, fitness was his main downfall there, unfortunately a recurring theme for Pakistani quicks, at least then you had bowlers who love red ball cricket. But very few can say they have a 5fer against ATG Indian Batting.
 
@Nikhil_cric The final straw for Gul was Misbah, he use to utilise quicks as though they were spinners & those 4 bowler strategies were not going to be easy on the backs of fast bowlers in the desert. The amount of damage this luloo captain has done to Pakistan cannot be understated.

@topspin @Rana
 
shaz619 said:
Difficult to get into any kind of rhythm with repeated injuries, he spent a good chunk of his Test career rebuilding opposed to levelling up, fitness was his main downfall there, unfortunately a recurring theme for Pakistani quicks, at least then you had bowlers who love red ball cricket. But very few can say they have a 5fer against ATG Indian Batting.
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Yeah. That was a very good spell. But I think he got injured for the very next match in Pindi. Also, didn't help that majority of Pakistani/UAE pitches he played on were absolute roads.


shaz619 said:
@Nikhil_cric The final straw for Gul was Misbah, he use to utilise quicks as though they were spinners & those 4 bowler strategies were not going to be easy on the backs of fast bowlers in the desert. The amount of damage this luloo captain has done to Pakistan cannot be understated.

@topspin @Rana
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Agree with this. Misbah was clueless when it came to fast bowlers. You can see that in the way he treated Wahab and Irfan etc.

Wahab should have been bowling 4 over spells max. so that he could maximise his pace and impact.

There's a massive difference in the way Clarke handled peak Johnson in 2013 and the way Misbah handled Wahab circa 2016.

Misbah bowled him in longer spells and barely gave him rest between spells etc.

Did the same to Irfan in 2013 series against SA in the UAE
 
shaz619 said:
Was that the series where I think in Port Elizabeth we were on the brink of winning but Misbah played a silly reverse scoop which then led to a collapse
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Haha, now that you mention Port Elizabeth I guess I was referring to the second time we could’ve won then… nah I was talking about the UAE series where after SA getting owned in the first match, had to resort to zipper for second game .

The stunning debut of the legend Shan Masood was also in that series iirc
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
lol du Plessis was always a creative guy. IIRC he was chastised in Australia a few years later for using chewing gum saliva to shine the ball
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I would be very worried about being in a match with or against him- never know what that ball is going through, and what sort of exposure either side of it is being exposed to… dude is way too creative
 
JaDed said:
Shaheen didn’t do anything wrong, but had this been said about Bumrah we all know how Pak posters would had reacted.
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Sitting on tv in Pakistan inzy can say India were tampering with the ball, but a player involved in a match can’t say anything
 
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