"I have never seen the ball reverse like that in 20 overs”: Heinrich Klaasen [speaking after the 1st ODI vs Pakistan]

[Mrjungshook]

Just say something against Pakistan and Indian fans will support you. Klassen ki toh nikal padi i won't be surprised if he gets a 5% share in srh.

 

[Rajdeep]

When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.

 

[MenInG]

When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.

Oh ok.

Here we go.

The Indian point of view explained well.

 

[BouncerGuy]

When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.

Yeah. It is better to come with some proofs instead of just allegations... Better to make your case strong...

 

[Muhammad Saad]

If they did temper the 2/3 balls in a same match without being caught then they must do it every game.

 

[IMMY69]

When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.

Bumrah test results please

 

[Rajdeep]

Bumrah test results please

No international cricketer or umpire has accused Bumrah of chucking like Moises Henriques did for Hasnain or like how Klassen is accusing Pak team of ball tampering. If anything, experts like Ian Pont & Ian Bishop has detailed why Bumrah don't chuck after they got relentless spamming from insecure Pakistanis like yourself to speak on this subject. I can understand Bumrah becoming the best seamer of all time from Asia is bit of a tough pill to swallow for some here but unfortunately you need to cope with the reality rather than sulking.

 

[angrypathan]

Klaasen is an A grade rondu

 

[IMMY69]

No international cricketer or umpire has accused Bumrah of chucking like Moises Henriques did for Hasnain or like how Klassen is accusing Pak team of ball tampering. If anything, experts like Ian Pont & Ian Bishop has detailed why Bumrah don't chuck after they got relentless spamming from insecure Pakistanis like yourself to speak on this subject. I can understand Bumrah becoming the best seamer of all time from Asia is bit of a tough pill to swallow for some here but unfortunately you need to cope with the reality rather than sulking.

Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Rashid Latif, during a conversation on a YouTube channel:

"The key point is that after Aaqib's arrival, the reverse swing has been achieved. Reverse swing doesn't come so quickly in South Africa, but we took it, by force. This has been our weapon, whether it's right or wrong, we did it."

"Shaheen Shah Afridi has made a big impact with his reverse swing. Reverse swing has been our weapon, and it was missing; Shaheen has brought it back."

 

[Deewana Mastana]

What did he say after the 2nd ODI?

 

[Buffet]

Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.

Do you know what chucking means? A genuine question.

You have to bend it forward and then straighten it to chuck. You can't chuck with slingy action.

 

[Buffet]

Needs to have proof. Not just hey it's reversing so you are tampering the ball.

 

[Rajdeep]

Rashid Latif, during a conversation on a YouTube channel:

"The key point is that after Aaqib's arrival, the reverse swing has been achieved. Reverse swing doesn't come so quickly in South Africa, but we took it, by force. This has been our weapon, whether it's right or wrong, we did it."

"Shaheen Shah Afridi has made a big impact with his reverse swing. Reverse swing has been our weapon, and it was missing; Shaheen has brought it back."

Basically Rashid Latif is saying the same what I said yesterday that Aqib Javed is behind this exaggerated reverse swing. Another example of what Rajdeep talk today, world does tomorrow.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sorry but that's nonsense.
I don't buy it one bit.
Ian Pont, Ian Bishop or anyone else for that matter can say what they like.
We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

Every single player that has a suspect action, whether it was Akhtar, Murali, Ajmal or even Lee, were tested.
Even Hasnain had to be tested and not many people even picked up on his chucking.

So experts can now distinguish between a chuck and hyperextension but just watching them bowl?
Umpires have suddenly become experts too?

Bumrah will remain a chucker for many people until he is tested by an independent body and he is shown to have Hyperextension or has a to remodel his action.

You won't change this opinion and personally it has zero do with witch country he plays for.

Please don't bore us or change the topic of this thread. You ain't fooling anyone.

 

[Smbhayi]

We've reached a stage where no one will call Bumrah out due to the moola, and nothing else.

So what's the point of testing him..? You'd say exact same thing ie he cleared the test due to moola, nothing else..

 

[mango_bite77]

No smoke without fire. A player like Klassen will not say things for the sake of it. He definitely noticed something fishy and pointed it out. Good on him.

Aqib Javed is the coach of Pakistan right? So won't be surprised if he passed on the tampering skills to his players like he himself used to do back in his playing days.

Ask Sudhir choudary to do DNA on this.

 

[IMMY69]

Do you know what chucking means? A genuine question.

You have to bend it forward and then straighten it to chuck. You can't chuck with slingy action.

Akhtar had hyperextension but had to be tested to prove this

 

[IMMY69]

So what's the point of testing him..? You'd say exact same thing ie he cleared the test due to moola, nothing else..

Correct which is why I said "Independant"....

 

[Buffet]

Akhtar had hyperextension but had to be tested to prove this

If you think Bumrah is chucking then you should be able to explain what you understanding of chucking means and how Bumrah chucks?

Not understanding of XYZ cricketer or any history. What's your understanding of chucking?

 

[IMMY69]

If you think Bumrah is chucking then you should be able to explain what you understanding of chucking means and how Bumrah chucks?

Not understanding of XYZ cricketer or any history. What's your understanding of chucking?

Well isn't that the point?
Precisely why he should be checked

 

[Buffet]

Anyway, let's not derail the thread.

Thread is about Klaasen accusing Pakistan for ball tampering. I don't think any player should do that unless they have proof. We are not playing in odler era where players could tamper easily.

Now ball goes back to umpires after every over and cameras are around. Unlees you have proof, you shouldn't accuse anyone for tampering.

 

[Buffet]

Well isn't that the point?
Precisely why he should be checked

So you can't explain what chucking means to you and how it applies Bumrah?

Your logic is since XYZ was tested after getting reported in past so everyone should be tested? That's different than you saying/thinking that a specific player chucks. Two different issue. I was more interested in how you understand chucking personally.

Anyway, let's not derail this thread. Let's keep this thread on topic. I am sure there are many threads for chucking. We can pick up one of those treads to discuss it.

 

[Markhor]

When Moises Henriques told Hasnain 'Nice Throw mate' during BBL 22, the posters back then also were shooting the messanger like they are doing it now. When you cant play our bowlers you accuse them, white men are jealous of Pakistani bowlers etc etc. The subsequent tests turned out that Hasnain was indeed chucking and Henriques was right. The victim card didnt work for long.

Similarly, I repeat..there is no smoke without fire. Why would Klassen accuse an international team just like that? Remember SA board is not that strong as well and even below PCB in pecking order. So I am 100% sure Klassen must have observed something fishy to open his mouth. Posters here need to think about it logically rather than blaming everything and everyone being jealous on their team.

I never understood this argument of "X happened in Year Y so therefore Z must be true."

Hasnain was indeed proven to be chucking and he was held accountable. And yes Pakistan tampered in the past in an era with no neutral umpires and minimal TV coverage.

However Klaasen has no proof of what he's insinuating here. If he had any concerns, talk to the umpires and match referee instead of mouthing off in a press conference after your side lost again.

Supersport have over two dozen HD cameras at the ground. Did they find anything untoward ? We know how quick they were to highlight the use of sandpaper by Australia.

South Africa of all teams have no right to take the moral high ground on this issue when their ex-captain was caught red-handed using zippers and sweets.

 

[RidiculousMan]

If Klaasen didn't saw reverse swing like that before then he had seen nothing yet. It wasn't even reverse swinging that much. Wait till he face real reverse swing v Pakistan CT.

 

[Buffet]

I never understood this argument of "X happened in Year Y so therefore Z must be true."

Hasnain was indeed proven to be chucking and he was held accountable. And yes Pakistan tampered in the past in an era with no neutral umpires and minimal TV coverage.

However Klaasen has no proof of what he's insinuating here. If he had any concerns, talk to the umpires and match referee instead of mouthing off in a press conference after your side lost again.

+ 100

Hasnain chucking or Pakistan tampering in past is irrelevant.

You need to have some proof to accuse Pakistan for tampering in modern era. You can't just say that , look ball is reversing so it means Pakistani is tampering because they did in past.

It's not old era. If you have something to say, talk to umpires and referee. There are lots of cameras around and officials can go and look for evidence of tampering. Klaasen is not some random fan and saying something like this after losing the match looks bad.

 

[Rajdeep]

Time to keep an eye on the reverse swing again with the test match starting today. Klassen just opened the pandora's box.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Time to keep an eye on the reverse swing again with the test match starting today. Klassen just opened the pandora's box.

Bumrah clearly chucked the ball that got Travis Head out , should be ban for life without even getting a chance to test his action , reason ? A random fan on the Internet said so.

 

[Rajdeep]

Bumrah clearly chucked the ball that got Travis Head out , should be ban for life without even getting a chance to test his action , reason ? A random fan on the Internet said so.

This thread is not about Bumrah, Klassen is not a random fan on internet. You seem to be upset for some reason.

 

[Farabi]

This thread is not about Bumrah, Klassen is not a random fan on internet. You seem to be upset for some reason.

When Sachin used to drive 155 kph inswinging yorkers straight down the ground for boundaries, it felt almost unfair—like he was defying the laws of cricket. That’s what true talent does: it makes the impossible seem effortless.

Shaheen Afridi was the only bowler consistently reverse swinging the ball in the series because he has the pace and action and the skill. At least from what I saw, no other Pakistani bowler managed the same. Shaheen is a generational talent. He’s had his ups and downs, but in ODIs, he is regal.

As for the claims by Klassen, if he has proof, he should present it. With cameras everywhere and umpires regularly checking the ball’s condition, baseless accusations don’t hold much weight. And the excuse that “no one else has done it on this ground” is absurd. Just because Klassen hasn’t seen something happen before doesn’t make it impossible.