Has media hype ruined Pakistan players?

[mominsaigol]

Wanted to make this thread for a while, title says it all.

Let's start with babar azam, Babar azam is a very good bat and it's great to have him in the Pakistan team, but he's clearly not No 1, not even close.

However media praise of him being the 2nd coming of bradman, as well as overhype has now led to him becoming the most clueless captain in Pakistani history, also I've noticed this media hype has ruined his fitness, I saw a bit of that belly yesterday, babar I feel has stagnated as well, his glaring issues against spin has not improved and he was always known as an improvement type player before his rise to media fame.

Let's look at Imam, Imam is an okay opener, he's very medicore and probably the worst opener of you compare him to SENA and Indian openers, but here we have mickey praising Imam saying he's the top 5 odi bat in the world lol. I feel if this media hype wasn't a thing and fair selection criteria was applied and batsmen were asked to bat according to modern standards, we'd see players improve rather then see then carry on their merry way and focus on milestones.

I remember Umar akmal was saying how he was so special that murli dharan was scared of bowling to him . Its the same with rizzu, all this media nonsense has blocked important players coming into our circuit playing at no 4.

If media hype did not exist, then I feel our players would improve and actually play for the team. For example saud was terrible at striking however him understanding that he must bat at no 5 for the team, he's made an effort to improve his power game and atm he went from being a wall to easily the best striker for Pakistan in our current squad.

I just pray saud doesn't get ruined by media hype and fall victim. He'll develop an ego problem and stagnate. I've seen this over and over.

Media hype gives players an ego, Ego means no improvement, which results in garage players like imam opening for us .

 

[MenInG]

Wanted to make this thread for a while, title says it all.

Let's start with babar azam, Babar azam is a very good bat and it's great to have him in the Pakistan team, but he's clearly not No 1, not even close.

However media praise of him being the 2nd coming of bradman, as well as overhype has now led to him becoming the most clueless captain in Pakistani history, also I've noticed this media hype has ruined his fitness, I saw a bit of that belly yesterday, babar I feel has stagnated as well, his glaring issues against spin has not improved and he was always known as an improvement type player before his rise to media fame.

Let's look at Imam, Imam is an okay opener, he's very medicore and probably the worst opener of you compare him to SENA and Indian openers, but here we have mickey praising Imam saying he's the top 5 odi bat in the world lol. I feel if this media hype wasn't a thing and fair selection criteria was applied and batsmen were asked to bat according to modern standards, we'd see players improve rather then see then carry on their merry way and focus on milestones.

I remember Umar akmal was saying how he was so special that murli dharan was scared of bowling to him . Its the same with rizzu, all this media nonsense has blocked important players coming into our circuit playing at no 4.

If media hype did not exist, then I feel our players would improve and actually play for the team. For example saud was terrible at striking however him understanding that he must bat at no 5 for the team, he's made an effort to improve his power game and atm he went from being a wall to easily the best striker for Pakistan in our current squad.

I just pray saud doesn't get ruined by media hype and fall victim. He'll develop an ego problem and stagnate. I've seen this over and over.

Media hype gives players an ego, Ego means no improvement, which results in garage players like imam opening for us .

Lets rename this into

"A thread to somehow tarnish/cricitice Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan Thread"

 

[mominsaigol]

Lets rename this into

"A thread to somehow tarnish/cricitice Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan Thread"

I can edit and talk about umar akmal, Ahmed shehzad, And other past players who got tarnished by media hype.

If you want I can remove rizzu and babar altogether from the post. It won't make a difference.

 

[TheSultan]

Yup - the media hype is pathetic. And so is the PCB social media team

The stats manipulation and plastering. The rankings plastering.

The thing is - media is always gutter trash, they’ll use anything that makes news. Pointless stats for headlines and then the sensational bring down when failures occur too. On top of that, it’s also in the interests of the PCB to encourage this state hype nonsense to somehow claim credit for it too

Rameez said in an interview that having top ranked players is one of his greatest achievements!

I’ve seen so many posters here claim “oh don’t be so hard on them, this is why they feel pressure and don’t perform”.

Conversely all the pointless praise based on manipulated stats does them no good either. Babar, Imam and Rizwan all think they’ve made it and our untouchable.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yup - the media hype is pathetic. And so is the PCB social media team

The stats manipulation and plastering. The rankings plastering.

The thing is - media is always gutter trash, they’ll use anything that makes news. Pointless stats for headlines and then the sensational bring down when failures occur too. On top of that, it’s also in the interests of the PCB to encourage this state hype nonsense to somehow claim credit for it too

Rameez said in an interview that having top ranked players is one of his greatest achievements!

I’ve seen so many posters here claim “oh don’t be so hard on them, this is why they feel pressure and don’t perform”.

Conversely all the pointless praise based on manipulated stats does them no good either. Babar, Imam and Rizwan all think they’ve made it and our untouchable.

Asif Butler Ali
Babar Bradman Azam
Mohammad Gilchrist Rizwan
Ahmed kohli Shehzad

^^ Too much hype too count at this moment. These media statements are the key to ruining our future players

 

[MenInG]

Yup - the media hype is pathetic. And so is the PCB social media team

The stats manipulation and plastering. The rankings plastering.

The thing is - media is always gutter trash, they’ll use anything that makes news. Pointless stats for headlines and then the sensational bring down when failures occur too. On top of that, it’s also in the interests of the PCB to encourage this state hype nonsense to somehow claim credit for it too

Rameez said in an interview that having top ranked players is one of his greatest achievements!

I’ve seen so many posters here claim “oh don’t be so hard on them, this is why they feel pressure and don’t perform”.

Conversely all the pointless praise based on manipulated stats does them no good either. Babar, Imam and Rizwan all think they’ve made it and our untouchable.

This is why one is a 'Fan' of a team.

It's about ownership of these stars. We as Pakistan supporters own them, so we feel happy when they do well.

Just like parents will not criticise their children in open company to ensure the kids continue to build confidence in themselves, the same applies here.

Of course you can pretend to be a neutral and denigrate our players at each opportunity - but that is who you are and more a reflection of you then the players themselves.

 

[emranabbas]

Lets rename this into

"A thread to somehow tarnish/cricitice Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan Thread"

To be fair OP is stating facts

We do get this, alot people in pakistan believe babar is the best batsmen in the world and the flawed rankings and the no 1 position obtained by playing minnows and c/d teams make them even more delusional.

Babar is the best batsmen in pakistan probably yes

Best is the best batsmen when playing minnows and c/d teams yes

Babar is the best batsmen in the world? That is questionable

For me a good batsmens isn't someone who has a healthy average but someone who can win games for his team vs full strength top teams
Like England Australia India etc..

I would take Babar with an average of 30 and winning games for pakistan than a Babar averaging 70, making a 100 every other game and not winning games for pakistan.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is why one is a 'Fan' of a team.

It's about ownership of these stars. We as Pakistan supporters own them, so we feel happy when they do well.

Just like parents will not criticise their children in open company to ensure the kids continue to build confidence in themselves, the same applies here.

Of course you can pretend to be a neutral and denigrate our players at each opportunity - but that is who you are and more a reflection of you then the players themselves.

Respectfully boss, you're not understanding.

Media is gonna say anything. They've said things like sarfraz is like Oxygen for the team, I love sarfi but this statement is clearly false lol.

Same way they said Sachin is the god of cricket, if ricky had played as many matches as Sachin, he'd have broken the 100-100 record. Not saying Sachin is bad, he's defo top 5 but for media to definitively put him at no 1 is questionable and up for debate.

Difference is Sachin and sarfraz don't go around saying things like I am the god of cricket or I'm oxygen for the team.

Have you ever seen sachin go on media and say I am god? Lol.

Imam however is going on media saying I am untouchable.

Media will always overhype, however our players buy into the hype and take their statements as facts. Media is the last place to take something as facts. Their known as the biggest liars in the world lol.

It's buying into this hype that develops this ego.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Respectfully boss, you're not understanding.

Media is gonna say anything. They've said things like sarfraz is like Oxygen for the team, I love sarfi but this statement is clearly false lol.

Same way they said Sachin is the god of cricket, if ricky had played as many matches as Sachin, he'd have broken the 100-100 record. Not saying Sachin is bad, he's defo top 5 but for media to definitively put him at no 1 is questionable and up for debate.

Difference is Sachin and sarfraz don't go around saying things like I am the god of cricket or I'm oxygen for the team.

Have you ever seen sachin go on media and say I am god? Lol.

Imam however is going on media saying I am untouchable.

Media will always overhype, however our players buy into the hype and take their statements as facts. Media is the last place to take something as facts. Their known as the biggest liars in the world lol.

It's buying into this hype that develops this ego.

Please don’t mention Tendulkar and Sarfraz in the same sentence ever.

Babar is a better captain than Sarfraz. Atleast he doesn’t get blanked by a depleted Sri Lankan side 3-0 at home in Pakistan’s best format, neither does he go on a losing streak of 20-odd ODIs before a World Cup MashaAllah.

 

[Hitman]

Respectfully boss, you're not understanding.

Media is gonna say anything. They've said things like sarfraz is like Oxygen for the team, I love sarfi but this statement is clearly false lol.

Same way they said Sachin is the god of cricket, if ricky had played as many matches as Sachin, he'd have broken the 100-100 record. Not saying Sachin is bad, he's defo top 5 but for media to definitively put him at no 1 is questionable and up for debate.

Difference is Sachin and sarfraz don't go around saying things like I am the god of cricket or I'm oxygen for the team.

Have you ever seen sachin go on media and say I am god? Lol.

Imam however is going on media saying I am untouchable.

Media will always overhype, however our players buy into the hype and take their statements as facts. Media is the last place to take something as facts. Their known as the biggest liars in the world lol.

It's buying into this hype that develops this ego.

Ponting played 652 innings and scored 71 centuries.

Tendulkar played 781 innings and scored 100 centuries.

So what you're telling us is Ponting would have scored another 30 centuries or more in another 129 innings, which would account to 1 century per 4.4 innings, that too when he was barely clinging on to the team on past reputation?

 

[mominsaigol]

Please don’t mention Tendulkar and Sarfraz in the same sentence ever.

Babar is a better captain than Sarfraz. Atleast he doesn’t get blanked by a depleted Sri Lankan side 3-0 at home in Pakistan’s best format, neither does he go on a losing streak of 20-odd ODIs before a World Cup MashaAllah.

I'm not comparing them as players, I'm comparing how they deal with media hype.

Both sarfi and Tendulkar don't go prancing around media claiming their gods or oxygen for the team despite media saying so, the sane way Gill doesn't go around claiming he'll be the next kohli.

Also babar is not a better captain then sarfi, not even close. Sarfi won psl, Won 2006 under 19 Cup, won ct 2017 champions trophy, Babar is yet to win anything.

Win a cup for your country and then we'll talk, Sarfi never came dead last in an Asia cup. Also the whole 3-0 loss, Babar was literally a part of the team during that time, and failed in those games, I don't see how sarfi is entirely to blame lol.

Babar's obsession with rizzu at t20 opening is what cost us the Asia cup 2022 and his obsession with putting himself to open along woth rizzu let to a disastrous opening pair in world cup 2022. Babar is lucky his middle order saved him especially haris lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So wait, you think Babar has become a rubbish captain because of media hype?

Well then the solution is simple....can we ask the media to stop hyping him so his captaincy improves.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ponting played 652 innings and scored 71 centuries.

Tendulkar played 781 innings and scored 100 centuries.

So what you're telling us is Ponting would have scored another 30 centuries or more in another 129 innings, which would account to 1 century per 4.4 innings, that too when he was barely clinging on to the team on past reputation?

I take back what I said about Tendulkar and pointing. My knowledge on games before 2011 isn't as strong. Sorry boss .

 

[mominsaigol]

So wait, you think Babar has become a rubbish captain because of media hype?

Well then the solution is simple....can we ask the media to stop hyping him so his captaincy improves.

Naw he was always a rubbish captain. Media hype made him into a captain though when he was clearly not captaincy material.

Pcb has a habit of making whoever the media hypes into a captain. With the exception of misbah and Azhar(who misbah chose)

Sarfraz was made captain due to his world cup performance and everyone wanted him to be captain due to him being the OXYGEN of the team even though he himself hardly put himself to bat.

Babar was made captain due to him being no 1 batter, pcb not understanding that media hyping babar to be a good bat =/= being a good captain.

Wasim akram was a legendary bowler but a garbage captain. Being a good player =/= being a good captain. 2 different skillsets lol.

 

[160KPH]

However media praise of him being the 2nd coming of bradman, as well as overhype has now led to him becoming the most clueless captain in Pakistani history, also I've noticed this media hype has ruined his fitness, I saw a bit of that belly yesterday, babar I feel has stagnated as well, his glaring issues against spin has not improved and he was always known as an improvement type player before his rise to media fame.

Could you name the names of the people in Pakistani media who think of Babar as the second coming of Bradman? My experience is the exact opposite - our media and fanbase are incredibly quick to criticize him as well as all of the other players and anytime they perform it is usually brushed over and excuses are made.

his glaring issues against spin has not improved and he was always known as an improvement type player before his rise to media fame.

This is simply untrue. He is a better batsmen against spin bowling than he is fast bowling. Against spin Babar averages 74.63 @ 87.76 SR in ODI's. I am pretty sure he has the second highest average against leg spinners ever, only second to Sachin Tendulkar. Against fast bowling Babar averages 50 @ SR of 90. Even against left arm spin which he is apparently so terrible batting against, he averages 96.66 @ 85.41 SR.

Babar does not have a generalized weakness against spin. The reason you are saying that he is bad against spin is because of only one or two spin bowlers having bowled really well against him, Kuldeep Yadav and Adil Rashid. Both of whom are really good strike bowlers. Kuldeep Yadav in particular has bowled some absolute gems to Babar that would get anyone out.

 

[sam_ahm]

Wanted to make this thread for a while, title says it all.

Let's start with babar azam, Babar azam is a very good bat and it's great to have him in the Pakistan team, but he's clearly not No 1, not even close.

However media praise of him being the 2nd coming of bradman, as well as overhype has now led to him becoming the most clueless captain in Pakistani history, also I've noticed this media hype has ruined his fitness, I saw a bit of that belly yesterday, babar I feel has stagnated as well, his glaring issues against spin has not improved and he was always known as an improvement type player before his rise to media fame.

Let's look at Imam, Imam is an okay opener, he's very medicore and probably the worst opener of you compare him to SENA and Indian openers, but here we have mickey praising Imam saying he's the top 5 odi bat in the world lol. I feel if this media hype wasn't a thing and fair selection criteria was applied and batsmen were asked to bat according to modern standards, we'd see players improve rather then see then carry on their merry way and focus on milestones.

I remember Umar akmal was saying how he was so special that murli dharan was scared of bowling to him . Its the same with rizzu, all this media nonsense has blocked important players coming into our circuit playing at no 4.

If media hype did not exist, then I feel our players would improve and actually play for the team. For example saud was terrible at striking however him understanding that he must bat at no 5 for the team, he's made an effort to improve his power game and atm he went from being a wall to easily the best striker for Pakistan in our current squad.

I just pray saud doesn't get ruined by media hype and fall victim. He'll develop an ego problem and stagnate. I've seen this over and over.

Media hype gives players an ego, Ego means no improvement, which results in garage players like imam opening for us .

Brilliant post. I'm not a Pakistani so I don't know what happens there but just by reading through the social media and the kind of comments that come from Pakistani fans, I can sense that Media/social media hype has ruined Pakistan cricket.

And the hype is for nothing. The team has been mediocre for a decade.

 

[160KPH]

The one part which I do agree with you is that in Pakistan the tradition seems to be to make the best performing players - particularly best performing batsmen into the the captain of the side. I think if you look around, some of the greatest captains are not the best batsmen on their side. Eoin Morgan for example completely transformed English cricket but he was probably not even the 3rd best batsmen on the team at any given time.

I would prefer a captain to be a really confident, intelligent tactician who can lead the team and for the best performing players to be able to focus on their respective skills.

 

[mominsaigol]

Could you name the names of the people in Pakistani media who think of Babar as the second coming of Bradman? My experience is the exact opposite - our media and fanbase are incredibly quick to criticize him as well as all of the other players and anytime they perform it is usually brushed over and excuses are made.


This is simply untrue. He is a better batsmen against spin bowling than he is fast bowling. Against spin Babar averages 74.63 @ 87.76 SR in ODI's. I am pretty sure he has the second highest average against leg spinners ever, only second to Sachin Tendulkar. Against fast bowling Babar averages 50 @ SR of 90. Even against left arm spin which he is apparently so terrible batting against, he averages 96.66 @ 85.41 SR.

Babar does not have a generalized weakness against spin. The reason you are saying that he is bad against spin is because of only one or two spin bowlers having bowled really well against him, Kuldeep Yadav and Adil Rashid. Both of whom are really good strike bowlers. Kuldeep Yadav in particular has bowled some absolute gems to Babar that would get anyone out.

The one who said babar is no less them Bradman was ramiz raja.

As for your 2nd point that is not true. He's been bashing ish sodhi Level spinners. Hasaranga, Wallenge, rashid, Mujeeb, kuldeep, Adil rasheed even nedtherland spinners on spinnwickets have exposed him.

Babar has a terrible backfoot against spin, its why he usually gets LBW or gets out on spin bowling on the front foot. Averages never tell the full story lol.

 

[Hitman]

I take back what I said about Tendulkar and pointing. My knowledge on games before 2011 isn't as strong. Sorry boss .

You haven't committed a crime for which you have to say sorry, LOL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Respectfully boss, you're not understanding.

Media is gonna say anything. They've said things like sarfraz is like Oxygen for the team, I love sarfi but this statement is clearly false lol.

Same way they said Sachin is the god of cricket, if ricky had played as many matches as Sachin, he'd have broken the 100-100 record. Not saying Sachin is bad, he's defo top 5 but for media to definitively put him at no 1 is questionable and up for debate.

Difference is Sachin and sarfraz don't go around saying things like I am the god of cricket or I'm oxygen for the team.

Have you ever seen sachin go on media and say I am god? Lol.

Imam however is going on media saying I am untouchable.

Media will always overhype, however our players buy into the hype and take their statements as facts. Media is the last place to take something as facts. Their known as the biggest liars in the world lol.

It's buying into this hype that develops this ego.

What stopped Ricky ponting from playing that many matches?

Playing doesn't means performing.

This is a Pakistani players thread. Please don't drag Sachin here. There is a sachin vs ponting thread and it has been done to death.

 

[mominsaigol]

What stopped Ricky ponting from playing that many matches?

Playing doesn't means performing.

This is a Pakistani players thread. Please don't drag Sachin here. There is a sachin vs ponting thread and it has been done to death.

Bro, I was just illustrating, I am not turning anything into Sachin vs Ricky. I'll edit it out.

Main point was that sachin doesn't go around saying he's the God of cricket despite that being the moniker media gave him.

Someone like imam however goes around saying he's untouchable simply because media thinks he's top 5.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bro, I was just illustrating, I am not turning anything into Sachin vs Ricky. I'll edit it out.

Main point was that sachin doesn't go around saying he's the God of cricket despite that being the moniker media gave him.

Someone like imam however goes around saying he's untouchable simply because media thinks he's top 5.

Only a fool will call himself by the crown the media gives him.

Will Wasim Akram call himself the left arm of god or Sultan of swing?

 

[mominsaigol]

You haven't committed a crime for which you have to say sorry, LOL.

I'm kidding . Regardless, ik Sachin was a goat player, the xomparison with Ricky was bad. But the point was that despite sachin being given a moniker of being the God of cricket( Right fully earned, no disagreement) he never went on media saying he's the king of the world or anything.

Umar akmal claimed murli was scared of him and he's a batsmen that everyone fears, , simply because of one century in 2009. The guy was full of himself on nadir ali's podcast, all because media hyped him up back in 2009.

That's what I'm trying to say, Sachin didn't go prancing on media claiming he's the best, he let the bat do the talking. He didn't care about media hype.

 

[mominsaigol]

Only a fool will call himself by the crown the media gives him.

Will Wasim Akram call himself the left arm of god or Sultan of swing?

And yet you have players like umar akmal saying he's a batsmen that even murli fears, or Iftikhar Ahmed saying that he's hailed as a finisher in Pakistan even though people didn't even know him until recently. He made that claim when he just entered the circuit, before the whole iftimania nonsense

 

[BouncerGuy]

In my opinion, media can have both positive and negative impacts. Different players may feel differently about media hype. Some players may like it and do better, while others may not like it and do worse. It’s good for players to have people who can help them deal with media hype, such as coaches, experts, and family. Support from their family, friends and teammates has more impact I guess.

 

[mominsaigol]

In my opinion, media can have both positive and negative impacts. Different players may feel differently about media hype. Some players may like it and do better, while others may not like it and do worse. It’s good for players to have people who can help them deal with media hype, such as coaches, experts, and family. Support from their family, friends and teammates has more impact I guess.

Media will always hype. Difference is wasim akram doesn't go around claiming he's the best. Sohaib Akhtar ironically made claims such as Sachin was afraid of him and how he's the best in the world .

Players shouldn't buy into the Hype, that's when they stop improving and considering themselves as superstars, rather then improving as players and playing for their country.

 

[sam_ahm]

First of all OP is just examples, the fan worshipping in subcontinent ia such that people take it personally and start player specific discussions.

This is why teams like Australia, New Zealand and developed countries in general do so well, they don't get unnecessary hype because cricket is not even followed by majority, players stay grounded and get the job done. Even at lower levels It is a reason why teams like Netherlands, Scotland have started doing better, less hype, players strive to do well for their own good. Today Netherlands is in the WC and West Indies isn't... May be the money and unnecessary hype they got from playing franchise leagues got to their head.

 

[TheSultan]

This is why one is a 'Fan' of a team.

It's about ownership of these stars. We as Pakistan supporters own them, so we feel happy when they do well.

Just like parents will not criticise their children in open company to ensure the kids continue to build confidence in themselves, the same applies here.

Of course you can pretend to be a neutral and denigrate our players at each opportunity - but that is who you are and more a reflection of you then the players themselves.

These are international sportsmen that do this for a living, not children.

They get a lot of praise when things go well and they will get criticised when they don’t.

And for one, I don’t criticise players because they play poorly. I criticise cowardly players and that’s always been the case.

 

[Devadwal]

The way Pakistani media hype Shaheen is beyond embarassing .this is not a fault of Shaheen but due to Media hype he is bowling under pressure as always try something which is not good for any bowler . He has extra pressure of taking the wicket upfront which is why he bowled inswinger Yorker as stock delivery instead used for surprise weapon. He is a Class bowler I have no doubt but Naseem Shah is best Pakistani bowler right now not Shaheen.

 

[160KPH]

The one who said babar is no less them Bradman was ramiz raja.

As for your 2nd point that is not true. He's been bashing ish sodhi Level spinners. Hasaranga, Wallenge, rashid, Mujeeb, kuldeep, Adil rasheed even nedtherland spinners on spinnwickets have exposed him.

Babar has a terrible backfoot against spin, its why he usually gets LBW or gets out on spin bowling on the front foot. Averages never tell the full story lol.

Your entire thesis is just wrong. Especially considering last year was probably Babar’s best year in ODI’s thus far. Basically every single year Babar scores more runs per innings and he scores them faster than he did before.

You’re massively overreacting to one bad month of cricket during the Asia Cup. Before that, Babar Azam was on track and potentially still is to have a career best year.
The idea that the media ruined him isn’t that convincing when he’s scored more at a faster pace than ever the last couple of years and has continued climbing in the rankings.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And yet you have players like umar akmal saying he's a batsmen that even murli fears, or Iftikhar Ahmed saying that he's hailed as a finisher in Pakistan even though people didn't even know him until recently. He made that claim when he just entered the circuit, before the whole iftimania nonsense

Fans and media will hype. Its the players job to stay grounded.

 

[MenInG]

These are international sportsmen that do this for a living, not children.

They get a lot of praise when things go well and they will get criticised when they don’t.

And for one, I don’t criticise players because they play poorly. I criticise cowardly players and that’s always been the case.

You missed the point and I feel it's disingenous from your side.

They are OUR sportsmen

We love all they do and will praise them sky high and also criticise

There is no such thing as 'hyping' your own players - this is natural thing to do for Pakistan supporters.

Maybe this is not what you do - that's fine for you but not for me.

 

[asfandyar]

You can ruin Rome, but you can't ruin Afghanistan.

 

[Saj]

I think what is more worrying is how any sort of criticism isn't accepted.

It's almost like some people believe it's unfair to criticise the players at all.

 

[TheSultan]

You missed the point and I feel it's disingenous from your side.

They are OUR sportsmen

We love all they do and will praise them sky high and also criticise

There is no such thing as 'hyping' your own players - this is natural thing to do for Pakistan supporters.

Maybe this is not what you do - that's fine for you but not for me.

I will hype the players that i feel deserve hype and criticise the players when they don’t live up to it or take it for granted and don’t improve their game. Mostly I will criticise every coward - of which we seem to have many.

I believe you probably unconsciously hype criticise players you rate/unrate or like/dislike too. I’ve seen it.

And my initial post was not aimed at you, but the point stands - overhype never helps. Look at Babar he has completely stagnated after his hype. The guy hasn’t even developed a sweep shot against spin and goes missing in the big moments over and over again.

Conversely look at Saud no hype and he was criticised for not appearing to have a power game. He’s worked on it. I will praise him.

I think the bigger problem is a lot of people feel the popularity of Pakistani cricket hinges on Babar and Rizwan’s standing in the world of cricket - it doesn’t.

 

[ads101]

Only player ruined was Umar Akmal I think. And that’s mostly because the guy was bad under pressure and crumbled, as well as being a bit young when he debuted. Babar was a lot more mature for his age and debuted a bit older than Umar. I think the pressure on saim, haris, abdullah is not the same as it was on Umar too, if they don’t win the match for us, or get out cheaply we don’t attack them as much, so possibly we’ve learnt.

 

[MenInG]

I will hype the players that i feel deserve hype and criticise the players when they don’t live up to it or take it for granted and don’t improve their game. Mostly I will criticise every coward - of which we seem to have many.

I believe you probably unconsciously hype criticise players you rate/unrate or like/dislike too. I’ve seen it.

And my initial post was not aimed at you, but the point stands - overhype never helps. Look at Babar he has completely stagnated after his hype. The guy hasn’t even developed a sweep shot against spin and goes missing in the big moments over and over again.

Conversely look at Saud no hype and he was criticised for not appearing to have a power game. He’s worked on it. I will praise him.

I think the bigger problem is a lot of people feel the popularity of Pakistani cricket hinges on Babar and Rizwan’s standing in the world of cricket - it doesn’t.

I hype all my players. I don't hate anyone.

Like I told you, always criticising the same players is the reverse of Hype - just that it doesnt have a fancy name to it.

 

[VForVendetta]

The one part which I do agree with you is that in Pakistan the tradition seems to be to make the best performing players - particularly best performing batsmen into the the captain of the side. I think if you look around, some of the greatest captains are not the best batsmen on their side. Eoin Morgan for example completely transformed English cricket but he was probably not even the 3rd best batsmen on the team at any given time.

I would prefer a captain to be a really confident, intelligent tactician who can lead the team and for the best performing players to be able to focus on their respective skills.

This statement is simply far too away from the reality. He was easily their second best loi batsman after KP from 09-13. When he took over captaincy he was clearly the best. Bairstow, Butler, Stokes,Root & Hales were far from finished products at 14-15, Roy was a newbie. It's only since around 17 when all these guys started to hit their peak simultaneously he began to lose shine. But for at least a decade he played based on merit not because he had the luxury of captaincy.

 

[VForVendetta]

Naw he was always a rubbish captain. Media hype made him into a captain though when he was clearly not captaincy material.

Pcb has a habit of making whoever the media hypes into a captain. With the exception of misbah and Azhar(who misbah chose)

Sarfraz was made captain due to his world cup performance and everyone wanted him to be captain due to him being the OXYGEN of the team even though he himself hardly put himself to bat.

Babar was made captain due to him being no 1 batter, pcb not understanding that media hyping babar to be a good bat =/= being a good captain.

Wasim akram was a legendary bowler but a garbage captain. Being a good player =/= being a good captain. 2 different skillsets lol.

I am sorry but what!!! Wasim Akram in his playing days was many things; controversial, probably a fixer, but a horrible captain! That's something I am hearing for the first time. The man has been universally considered as the best Pak captain after Imran Khan. Infact a lot of people believe he was tactically better than Imran. What you said definitely applies on a lot of Pak cricketers (Waqar, Anwar, Yousuf) but just don't see how Wasim can be attributed that. His captaincy obviously can be & should be criticized but very rarely I have witnessed such strong claims against him.

 

[TheSultan]

I am sorry but what!!! Wasim Akram in his playing days was many things; controversial, egoistical, shady, jealous, probably a fixer, but a garbage captain! That's something I am hearing for the first time. The man has been universally considered as the best Pak captain after Imran Khan. Infact a lot of people believe he was tactically better than Imran. What you said definitely applies on a lot of Pak cricketers (Waqar, Anwar, Yousuf) but just don't see how Wasim can be attributed that. His captaincy obviously can be & should be criticized but very rarely I have witnessed such strong claims against him.

Agreed - apart from his initial captaincy stint in 1993 (which was atrocious from a man management and very naive from a strategic perspective), his stints post 1996 were excellent and he was an amazing captain.

 

[160KPH]

This statement is simply far too away from the reality. He was easily their second best loi batsman after KP from 09-13. When he took over captaincy he was clearly the best. Bairstow, Butler, Stokes,Root & Hales were far from finished products at 14-15, Roy was a newbie. It's only since around 17 when all these guys started to hit their peak simultaneously he began to lose shine. But for at least a decade he played based on merit not because he had the luxury of captaincy.

I think you may have misunderstood my post. I agree with you that before the arrival of the new generation he was an amazing batsmen but really around 2017-18 it was hard to justify his playing position based on batting alone. If that had happened in Pakistan, the almost universal sentiment would have been to replace him with who was performing better.

What I am saying is that England benefitted by keeping him as captain even when he wasn’t the best batsmen on the team. But my intention was not to be focused on a specific example anyway. Kohli was India’s best batsmen for nearly a decade but certainly was not their best option for captaincy.

 

[VForVendetta]

Agreed - apart from his initial captaincy stint in 1993 (which was atrocious from a man management and very naive from a strategic perspective), his stints post 1996 were excellent and he was an amazing captain.

He underachieved massively on that period (96-99). How much he is to be blamed & how much other stars are to be blamed is a whole other argument. I think a lot of people still hold grudge against him due to that final disaster. Even though he was a performing captain. His contributions as a player were certainly more consistent & impactful in 99 than Imran in 92. Infact no other Pak captain as far as I know ever performed as good as he did in 99 if we are talking about a specific wc edition. Afridi might come into discussion, but as good as he was with the ball his utter failure with the bat throughout the tournament almost nullified his overall impact in 11 wc. When I look back I don't think many people realize just how tough his competition was. Look at his contemporaries ; Waugh, Taylor, Richie, Ranatunga, Cronje. Some of the most iconic skippers of all time. He was the only guy from that 90's Pak batch who could stand toe to toe against those men & counter any of their strategies.

 

[TheSultan]

He underachieved massively on that period (96-99). How much he is to be blamed & how much other stars are to be blamed is a whole other argument. I think a lot of people still hold grudge against him due to that final disaster. Even though he was a performing captain. His contributions as a player were certainly more consistent & impactful in 99 than Imran in 92. Infact no other Pak captain as far as I know ever performed as good as he did in 99 if we are talking about a specific wc edition. Afridi might come into discussion, but as good as he was with the ball his utter failure with the bat throughout the tournament almost nullified his overall impact in 11 wc. When I look back I don't think many people realize just how tough his competition was. Look at his contemporaries ; Waugh, Taylor, Richie, Ranatunga, Cronje. Some of the most iconic skippers of all time. He was the only guy from that 90's Pak batch who could stand toe to toe against those men & counter any of their strategies.

100% agreed. People forget how great he was as a captain and yes there are varying reasons why things didn’t always go to plan, but that as you said is a very long conversation about many different dimensions.

Unfortunately The WC final and the Hobart test are the only things some people remember.

 

[pakistani pride]

Agree with the OP, the hype is cringe. Shadab and Babar are good examples. Fitness levels are poor. Shadab just looks at his ODI record vs top teams. He should not even be in the squad let alone the playing 11. Also the culture in the team is weak and timid. Only guys with some passion are Rauf, SSA and Naseem Shah.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am sorry but what!!! Wasim Akram in his playing days was many things; controversial, probably a fixer, but a horrible captain! That's something I am hearing for the first time. The man has been universally considered as the best Pak captain after Imran Khan. Infact a lot of people believe he was tactically better than Imran. What you said definitely applies on a lot of Pak cricketers (Waqar, Anwar, Yousuf) but just don't see how Wasim can be attributed that. His captaincy obviously can be & should be criticized but very rarely I have witnessed such strong claims against him.

My knowledge before 2011 is limited, so expect dumb claims lol, mainly cause I'm going off the claims my parents made XD. I only started watching 2011 so all my analysis applied 2011 and onwards, sorry for the confusion.

 

[mominsaigol]

Your entire thesis is just wrong. Especially considering last year was probably Babar’s best year in ODI’s thus far. Basically every single year Babar scores more runs per innings and he scores them faster than he did before.

You’re massively overreacting to one bad month of cricket during the Asia Cup. Before that, Babar Azam was on track and potentially still is to have a career best year.
The idea that the media ruined him isn’t that convincing when he’s scored more at a faster pace than ever the last couple of years and has continued climbing in the rankings.

His 2nd string scoring has inflated everything, dame way people got mesmerised by Imam's stats.

Their getting exposed this WC lol.

 

[VForVendetta]

My knowledge before 2011 is limited, so expect dumb claims lol, mainly cause I'm going off the claims my parents made XD. I only started watching 2011 so all my analysis applied 2011 and onwards, sorry for the confusion.

No need to apologize, but I always thought it was a fairly well known fact how highly Wasim is rated as a captain. All Pak fans I have known or interacted, present or past are aware of it & acknowledge. Maybe your parents were Waqar fans or still salty for the 99 tragedy.

 

[mominsaigol]

No need to apologize, but I always thought it was a fairly well known fact how highly Wasim is rated as a captain. All Pak fans I have known or interacted, present or past are aware of it & acknowledge. Maybe your parents were Waqar fans or still salty for the 99 tragedy.

Naw my parents aren't well versed in cricket as much as I am, they are casual watchers lol , they've made very absurd claims in the past.

 

[Saj]

Also it's not just media hype.

We are living in a social media age.....

 

[jnaveen1980]

I get what you are saying based on my observation on social media. Fans are more nervous about Babar Azam potentially losing his no.1 ranking to Gill than him making runs.

I think what is more worrying is how any sort of criticism isn't accepted.

It's almost like some people believe it's unfair to criticise the players at all.

This is so true. I am not talking about here. On twitter social media the talk is all about ranking, ranking , ranking. No.1 ranking. Fans were more worried about Babar losing no.1 ranking to Gill. Pakistan losing no.1 ranking. So whenever someone brings up match related criticism they throw this no.1 ranking at the face of critic.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Also it's not just media hype.

We are living in a social media age.....

In India there is one guy who prays for NZ win just because Conway represents CSK.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I always believe fans should go easy on youngsters who are trying to establish themselves. But shouldnt have problem going after established players. Kohli is 1200 crore worth because of fans.He has a private Jet. Dozens of expensive cars. All due to fans. For each insta post he makes crores. Again because of fans who support him for representing the country. So when he doesn't perform fans have full right to go after him. Not like he is going to be "personally hurt".

 

[Savak]

Every young player in the 90's will claim that Wasim Akram was the best captain they played under because he led by example, led with an aggressive positive mindset, knew how to get the best out of the players.

Lol none of these players will even say the same about Waqar the captain and Waqar the coach.

 

[volcyz]

Pakistan ex players like Akhtar is obsessed with their imaginary 'Brand' and overhyping of players.

Like Ahmed better than Tendulkar Shehzad

 

[TheSultan]

I always believe fans should go easy on youngsters who are trying to establish themselves. But shouldnt have problem going after established players. Kohli is 1200 crore worth because of fans.He has a private Jet. Dozens of expensive cars. All due to fans. For each insta post he makes crores. Again because of fans who support him for representing the country. So when he doesn't perform fans have full right to go after him. Not like he is going to be "personally hurt".

Very well said

 

[Rana]

Rizwan would not be doing all this Drameybaazi in the 90s/2000s

Too many tik tok cricketers these days

 

[NishanKonar]

Over hyping has always been an integral part of Pakistan cricket culture. Its not something new. Just read the autobiographies of ex cricketers like Imran Khan , Javed Miandad - you will notice how they hyped up their fellow Pakistani cricketers & compared them to the very best. Like Imran claiming Inzimam is better than Sachin, Javed Miandad said Abdul Qadir is better than Shane Warne

But now it has reached ridiculous proportions. I mean how on earth people believe that Imam is top 5 batter in ODI cricket !

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan would not be doing all this Drameybaazi in the 90s/2000s

Too many tik tok cricketers these days

Well obviously, 90s and 2000s didn't have social media lol.

First social media was Facebook and MySpace and back in 2004-2006 they were more so forumn friendship groups then how it is now where everyone posts selfies, fake stories or Hollywood esc movies of themselves.

I do know one thing, Rizzu is enjoying tik tok and Twitter .

But yh rizzu wouldn't even be in the team in 1990's to 2000's, you couldn't social media your way into the team back then.

 

[Saj]

The moment you criticise any player, you are seen as being negative and anti-Pakistani.

What some people don't realise is that players should get praised when they do well and should be criticised when they deserve criticism.

Instead we have too many cheerleaders who applaud mediocrity,

 

[mominsaigol]

The moment you criticise any player, you are seen as being negative and anti-Pakistani.

What some people don't realise is that players should get praised when they do well and should be criticised when they deserve criticism.

Instead we have too many cheerleaders who applaud mediocrity,

Well our coach says Imam ul Haq is the top 5 odi batsmen in the world, so if the coach can't get his act together, the fans won't either except a Select few.

 

[Saj]

Well our coach says Imam ul Haq is the top 5 odi batsmen in the world, so if the coach can't get his act together, the fans won't either except a Select few.

As I wrote before - we are living in a rankings era.

I prefer match-winners, players of pedigree, not guys who just look after their own ranking and average.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

 

[mominsaigol]

Why are these videos filmed as if their filming a sequel to Lagann?

Enough with these hollywood film sequences.

Just show net practise and how players are improving. Not these movie scripted camera angles of Babar and his boys.

 

[Saj]

Why are these videos filmed as if their filming a sequel to Lagann?

Enough with these hollywood film sequences.

Just show net practise and how players are improving. Not these movie scripted camera angles of Babar and his boys.

Don't criticise, some people will not like it as they idolise these players.

I don't think it's media hype that has ruined some players, it's believing their own hype after performing against weak and weakened sides.

 

[mominsaigol]

Don't criticise, some people will not like it as they idolise these players.

I don't think it's media hype that has ruined some players, it's believing their own hype after performing against weak and weakened sides.

What people like and don't like doesn't matter. These youtube videos are negatively received and started the cake boys memes. None of this drama would have started if it wasn't for these youtube videos and Babar wouldn't be crying in the locker room.

Who exactly is idolising these players? When 90% of fans are attacking left and right? Just look at what wasim akram said?

As for the media hype, it's not just believing in their own hype, it goes significantly deeper then that.

I have every right to critise. Their still making videos despite being clowned left and right?

None of this would have happened if it weren't for these videos. And media use to hype but this hype escalated because of these videos. Their the reason why the seed of media hype began and why the seed has now been plucked. The fact that they still made a video is stupidity beyond belief, and shows they've learnt nothing. More crying is coming our way.

 

[Abraham786]

Why are these videos filmed as if their filming a sequel to Lagann?

Enough with these hollywood film sequences.

Just show net practise and how players are improving. Not these movie scripted camera angles of Babar and his boys.

humne karke dikhaya aur bahut bari karke dikhaya( Someome tell pcb That YouTube isn't cring Tiktok Video platform )

 

[mominsaigol]

humne karke dikhaya aur bahut bari karke dikhaya( Someome tell pcb That YouTube isn't cring Tiktok Video platform )

These yt videos were never a thing before babar?

Like had hoti hai bhai. If you want to market, stick to Pepsi ads?

Why are we Hollywood acting on every YouTube video? Why does pcb have so many awards like player of the week, player of the match, spinner of the match, fast bowler of the match, batsmen of the match.

Get the world cup award

 

[rickroll]

Just looking at the thumbnail image of this youtube video is making me angry. Our fast bowler seems to have as much a belly as the aged coach!

 

[Rana]

Something out of an Akshay Kumar movie

 

[Abraham786]

These yt videos were never a thing before babar?

Like had hoti hai bhai. If you want to market, stick to Pepsi ads?

Why are we Hollywood acting on every YouTube video? Why does pcb have so many awards like player of the week, player of the match, spinner of the match, fast bowler of the match, batsmen of the match.

Get the world cup award

Right now all I can see "Cake Awards"

 

[mominsaigol]

Something out of an Akshay Kumar movie

Ham nei kar kei dekhaya hai, aur bhoot bari kar kei dekhaya hai.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Hasan Ali seems to be fine. He is sweating out. Doesn't look like he has fever. May be it is a technical injury. HE has been a very steady bowler in this WC. Pak shouldn't drop him

 

[Rana]

Ham nei kar kei dekhaya hai, aur bhoot bari kar kei dekhaya hai.

I can’t understand why Babar agrees to these stupid video reels.

They won’t encourage u19s to make theatrical videos like this, let alone grown men

 

[mominsaigol]

I can’t understand why Babar agrees to these stupid video reels.

They won’t encourage u19s to make theatrical videos like this, let alone grown men

Brother this is a team that was celebrating hitting a 6 in PP 1 as if they won the world cup. Why wouldn't they post on tiktok and yt?

 

[Saj]

These yt videos were never a thing before babar?

Like had hoti hai bhai. If you want to market, stick to Pepsi ads?

Why are we Hollywood acting on every YouTube video? Why does pcb have so many awards like player of the week, player of the match, spinner of the match, fast bowler of the match, batsmen of the match.

Get the world cup award

It's revenue for PCB.

I can't imagine the players are too keen to do some of these ridiculous videos.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

It's revenue for PCB.

I can't imagine the players are too keen to do some of these ridiculous videos.

I'm not too sure. The egos of Rizwan and Shaheen are unmatched in our history. Even Imran, Wasim, Akhtar, Afridi were less big headed.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's revenue for PCB.

I can't imagine the players are too keen to do some of these ridiculous videos.

Bro the video isn't a Mrbeast, Cocomelon or Zee music video where the view counts can rack upto 100M to 6B views.

Youtube pays like 1 dollar per 1000 views only. Unless you're a very popular creator that gets the benefit of 3 to 18 dollars per 1000 views,

Why would PCB want 160 dollars only for such a video? Are they that cheap? This video has 160K views and max it'll increase to 250K, for sports central it's like 150 to 250 dollars max.

Just post highlight videos. They've done it before and have racked 10 to 14M views so a solid revenue.

Why all this pointless video drama? Their gonna get peasant revenue for this video as well as sharukh khan movie memes.

They shpuld stick to posting highlight videos that rack in Millions of views so that they can get revenue. These small no views video have one advantage in that the lack of views hodes the embrassment from the rest of the world, but it also kills your monetisation.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm not too sure. The egos of Rizwan and Shaheen are unmatched in our history. Even Imran, Wasim, Akhtar, Afridi were less big headed.

It doesn't even make sense.

The channel gets 10 to 14M views consistently from just posting highlights of games even if those highlights took place in 2007 or a heck 1992. That's atleast 10,000 to 252,000 dollars of revenue depending on yt algorithm and payment as Yt is inconsistent but 10K per video at the minimum.

These reals don't even get 200K views. Why would pcb want 200 to 400 dollars , when they can just keep posting and copy pasting highlights which require less effort and bring in cash then editing these reels for 200 dollars.

 

[LegendAli]

Why are these videos filmed as if their filming a sequel to Lagann?

Enough with these hollywood film sequences.

Just show net practise and how players are improving. Not these movie scripted camera angles of Babar and his boys.

Just listen to the the damn music in the video, it's not a horror thriller for sakes.

 

[riddu]

money spoiled them