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Has Mohammad Hasnain been picked too soon for Pakistan?

Has Mohammad Hasnain been picked too soon for Pakistan?

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Pakistan has over the years plucked raw but talented cricketers from obscurity and thrown them in at the deep end to see what they are made of.

Some went on to have tremendous careers, whilst others drifted into the wilderness that is Pakistan domestic cricket.

Mohammad Hasnain at the age of 18 has played cricket at the junior level, but has only played 2 First-class matches and 4 PSL matches so far.

He has undoubtedly impressed with his pace and control, but do you think he has been picked for his country too soon or is it right to throw him in and see what he is made of?
 
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He’ll develop faster being around the national team. Just look at how well Shaheen is coming along since he made his debut last year.
 
The test series in Australia will answer that question. Nothing wrong with picking him if he has a great start. If not, send him back to domestic to develop some more.

I would've tried Rauf as well since he actually picked up more wickets.
 
Harris Rauf deserved a chance, Shaheen proved himself before getting into the team
 
I feel like it's a good move haris Rauf should have been selected for Aussie said too , since it would create competiton between the two bowlers , and Rauf Yorkers are deadly but glad Hasnain will get a chance to rep the green shirts
 
No.

Management will ease him into it the same way SSA was.
 
for any other country it would've been too soon, not for Pakistan
 
He has shown good signs. As long as he is integrated slowly and not worked to the ground, i think he will be a success.
 
Not a big issue. He will only get a few games here and there.

It's good to be with a professional set up straight away. He will learn a lot by being with the team and practicing with Pak's finest.
 
Think if he is selected then he will struggle against the Aussies and not be selected for the WC.

The pitches don’t support pacers and his pace will be used against him.

Hope he proves me wrong but I see him struggling in his debut tour, if played.
 
This worked for Pakistan before, why not now. This approach gave us Waqar and Akram, who knows, Hasnain might prove be another great one.
 
Shaheen developed much faster due to being in national set up.

In domestics Hasnain might have been mismanaged in 4 days as with such pace you need to bowl in short spells more often than not, could have picked up injuries. By the time he would have been 21 he would have lost fair bit of pace and wouldnt have learned as much as he can in national setup.

Mismanagement of bowlers like Mohammad Talha and many others have has been one of the reasons we dont see many bowers touching 150 kph in domestics.
 
Happy Hasnain was picked but would have liked to see Rauf in the ODI team as well. This would have given management a chance to see them bowl in hostile environment and maybe one of them would have booked a ticket to WC. Now my hope is Hasnain does extremely well and is carried to WC as an x factor.
 
afaik there is no domestic first class till autumn, so its not like he'd be playing cricketer of any developmental significance if he wasn't selected.

hes young, strong, quick and seems technically sound. theres no reason to not give him a go.
 
No. Based on his PSL performance you have to think that he is in contention for a spot in the CWC 2019 squad & ideally you would like to test him at international level before making a call on whether you take him to the WC or not. This is the ideal opportunity for him to book his spot in the team.

However, what we need to be careful of is if he doesn't perform against Australia, he should not be discarded as a TTF. Instead he should be trained within the domestic structure and possibly return to the national team one day.
 
He adds variety to our bowling. Our three main bowler amir ,hasan ali and shaheen are same type of bowlers.We need enforcer in middle over who can bowl express pace which is exactly what we can get from him.
 
Similar integration plan to junaid khan, who was in every squad for a year before he played, the best way to integrate players into the team environment.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The rise of Mohammad Hasnain:<br><br>Nov 17: Handpicked by Waqar Younis & chosen for PSL by IU<br>Feb 18: Ruled out of PSL due to injury<br>Sept 18: FC debut with PTV<br>Feb 19: Signed by QG as replacement for Naseem Shah<br>March 19: Bowls at 151kph during PSL<br>March 19: Picked for Pak ODI squad</p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1104091416861523968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Good decision, he needs some international experience to prosper and develop more skills.

Simply pray for his success.
 
Its good for him and Pakistan. If it was directly in to WC then i would have said too early but 5 matches against Australia will give Hasnain and a lot other including Umer Akmal and Junaid Khan to prove if they have what it takes to be part of the WC. Good call
 
Nowadays Pakistan seems to be too much obsessed with pace. Anyone who can bowl 145+kph regularly will be added to the squad. This can be very dangerous in long run. Players have no benchmark to justify their selection rather than mere pace.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Nowadays Pakistan seems to be too much obsessed with pace. Anyone who can bowl 145+kph regularly will be added to the squad. This can be very dangerous in long run. Players have no benchmark to justify their selection rather than mere pace.
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On the contrary how many of the bowlers selected for control have come good for PCT. If this gets a precedent that if you bowl fast you would be selected will inspire youngsters to concentrate more on Pace.
 
Happy for Hansnain but I was expecting Rauf instead, I guess its due extra pace of Hasnain. They could have rested Amir as well
 
I think Haris Rauf could have been picked, but might have been objected to due to his attitude during one of the PSL matches. I hope he remains calm and down to earth. You never know he may still be shortlisted for WC.
 
On the job learning and apprenticeship is the only proven formula in Pakistan cricket , except you need someone there as a proven performer who can be your mentor like a young Wasim/Waqar had in Imran, and Shoaib had in Wasim/Waqar, and now Hasnain will have Amir as his mentor who himself is still an amateur at the top level.
 
No. These guys won't improve from bowling 15 overs In first class cricket games. Any players with talent should be fast tracked into international cricket.
 
mesmerizer85 said:
I think Haris Rauf could have been picked, but might have been objected to due to his attitude during one of the PSL matches. I hope he remains calm and down to earth. You never know he may still be shortlisted for WC.
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He has that X factor....can't ignore
 
He should definitely form part of T20 WC. At the moment we are missing Hasan Ali for experience in the bowling line up.
 
Unlike the talentless Naseem, he is somewhat talented but his bowling intelligence and match-awareness are on par with Sami.

The trio of Naseem, Hasnain and that tape ball bowler Rauf should be written off - anyone who harbors hopes that these three will have great careers for Pakistan is only setting himself up for disappointment.

Pakistan has only one quality all-format pacer (Shaheen), although Hassan is a pretty decent LOI bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
Unlike the talentless Naseem, he is somewhat talented but his bowling intelligence and match-awareness are on par with Sami.

The trio of Naseem, Hasnain and that tape ball bowler Rauf should be written off - anyone who harbors hopes that these three will have great careers for Pakistan is only setting himself up for disappointment.

Pakistan has only one quality all-format pacer (Shaheen), although Hassan is a pretty decent LOI bowler.
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Hussnain was pretty good in 1st ODI, in 2nd ODI everyone received a phanti including SSA who is without any doubt a brilliant bowler. Hussnain has improved a lot since his debut & it's not like we have plenty of option at our disposal so we need to stick with Hussnain for the ODI's as well.
 
He was definitely picked too early.
Needs more fc cricket.

He will be a decent high quality bowler once he fully develops.
 
Though he is undoubtedly an intriguing future prospect I think the combination of Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Haris Rauf should be Pakistan's first choice bowling attack with the addition of Faheem if you're going with one spinner.

If one of those three is injured or out of form Hasnain can slot in. But for the 3rd ODI I think he has to make way for Hasan Ali.
 
Mamoon said:
Unlike the talentless Naseem, he is somewhat talented but his bowling intelligence and match-awareness are on par with Sami.

The trio of Naseem, Hasnain and that tape ball bowler Rauf should be written off - anyone who harbors hopes that these three will have great careers for Pakistan is only setting himself up for disappointment.

Pakistan has only one quality all-format pacer (Shaheen), although Hassan is a pretty decent LOI bowler.
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Yes bowling intelligence. Hit the nail on the head. Shaheen no matter how limited he may be in skill, you have to give credit to his intelligence which is why he's the spearhead
 
The most frustrating part of Hasnain's bowling at the moment is the lack of yorkers.

It's a delivery that he bowls really well and has done in the past particularly in the PSL and I don't get why he isn't bowling them any more.

With his action it's a ball that he should be able to bowl fairly regularly.
 
Hes looks better with the new ball than the older ball he should be backed.i would pick husnain over rauf in odis
 
Saj said:
The most frustrating part of Hasnain's bowling at the moment is the lack of yorkers.

It's a delivery that he bowls really well and has done in the past particularly in the PSL and I don't get why he isn't bowling them any more.

With his action it's a ball that he should be able to bowl fairly regularly.
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His action looks slightly round arm to me, like he's trying to generate outswing. It could just be how it looks from the tv angle, but it looks like he could even be losing a bit of pace because he is delivering with a slightly cutting action down the side of the ball in delivery.
 
Mamoon said:
Unlike the talentless Naseem, he is somewhat talented but his bowling intelligence and match-awareness are on par with Sami.

The trio of Naseem, Hasnain and that tape ball bowler Rauf should be written off - anyone who harbors hopes that these three will have great careers for Pakistan is only setting himself up for disappointment.

Pakistan has only one quality all-format pacer (Shaheen), although Hassan is a pretty decent LOI bowler.
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Agree with Naseem and Haris rauf. Hasnain definitely has some thing above these two.

He is bowling a good line and length, will need to bring his arm more vertical to generate that extra bounce and also I hope he will learn the art of inswing soon.

Shaheen and Hasnain are forming a good opening spell. Consistently should be given chances is the only way to improve. If these two conitinue pair up for another 15-20 matches, he will be much better and would play a good supporting role to shaheen or even come close to as danger as shaheen.

I would like to see Musa developed as fast bowling all rounder just like faheem is. I see he has the batting potential and also good match awareness when he bats especially lower down the order, bowling needs massive improvement.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Though he is undoubtedly an intriguing future prospect I think the combination of Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Haris Rauf should be Pakistan's first choice bowling attack with the addition of Faheem if you're going with one spinner.

If one of those three is injured or out of form Hasnain can slot in. But for the 3rd ODI I think he has to make way for Hasan Ali.
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Both Hasan ali and Haris cannot bowl with the new ball. Hasnain should play

Hasan ali should come in for Haris rauf
 
Keep him around in LO. Probably needs to play more first class cricket to improve and be in contention for the test squad.
 
He is definitely better than Naseem and Rauf. Naseem needs time to develop, and Rauf is absolutely useless in any format except for T20. Throwing Rauf in ODIs and Tests is the biggest joke from selectors.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
His action looks slightly round arm to me, like he's trying to generate outswing. It could just be how it looks from the tv angle, but it looks like he could even be losing a bit of pace because he is delivering with a slightly cutting action down the side of the ball in delivery.
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He gets outswing a lot of the time with the new ball yes.

Later in the innings he's slightly more round arm and I'd like him to focus and work on the yorker more than he is at the moment.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Both Hasan ali and Haris cannot bowl with the new ball. Hasnain should play

Hasan ali should come in for Haris rauf
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Did you actually even see Haris bowl in the last match? He was our best bowler on an absolutely flat pitch and saved atleast 20 runs at the death. Stop being biased for once and appreciate someone who is performing well, even if you don't like him.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Both Hasan ali and Haris cannot bowl with the new ball. Hasnain should play

Hasan ali should come in for Haris rauf
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A good bowler cannot be limited to coming on second or third change. Hasan has opened with the new ball before and he can do it again. Unless you have concrete facts to back up the claim that Hasan Ali is poor at opening with the new ball than all you are saying is your opinion.

Also, Pakistan can open the bowling with Faheem Ashraf aswell.
 
Issue is we dont have the coaches to develop decent talent into good players..
 
shamaan said:
You think shaheen is limited in terms of skill
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Considering his bowling IQ yes. He doesn't have as good ability as Amir bringing it back in. His outswinger isnt too great either. Terrific bowler though and has improved a lot in a short period of time. Can only improve more if he's learnt so much already
 
I think he has been managed well, he has been inducted to international cricket gradually and is making slow and steady progress.
 
He has qualities - based on what I've seen from our fast bowling reserves, it isn't necessarily too early but he certainly is raw and needs to be playing and working on his craft.

Personally, I think he has bowled a little too wide and a little too short in the SA ODIs thus far to take advantage of his natural outswinger which he delivers at good pace.
 
The little what I have seen of him, as an indian follower of your pace bowling, feel he possibly has the same wrist position issues - similar to what Ishant had. Similar to him, a season or two of county cricket might definitely help as it did to several gen of pacemen world wide. He has raw pace and at such a young age is an exciting prospect worth preserving with.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Considering his bowling IQ yes. He doesn't have as good ability as Amir bringing it back in. His outswinger isnt too great either. Terrific bowler though and has improved a lot in a short period of time. Can only improve more if he's learnt so much already
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Have you seen his stats hes got 51 wickets in 25 games at an average of less than 23. He had average of 14 in the world cup 2019.he outformed amir in world cup.
 
shamaan said:
Have you seen his stats hes got 51 wickets in 25 games at an average of less than 23. He had average of 14 in the world cup 2019.he outformed amir in world cup.
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I didn't say Amir was better. Ofcourse Shaheen is better. But skill wise Amir's ability to bring it back in is still better.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
I didn't say Amir was better. Ofcourse Shaheen is better. But skill wise Amir's ability to bring it back in is still better.
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He will get better with time. At the moment, he is working with Waqar Younis...

Pakistan got incredibly lucky that Afridi has managed to take international cricket on so easily, otherwise we would have dropped below Sri Lanka.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
A good bowler cannot be limited to coming on second or third change. Hasan has opened with the new ball before and he can do it again. Unless you have concrete facts to back up the claim that Hasan Ali is poor at opening with the new ball than all you are saying is your opinion.

Also, Pakistan can open the bowling with Faheem Ashraf aswell.
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Well that shows you have not watched enough matches where hasan ali opened the bowling.. Not every tom dick and harry can open the bowling.. Opening the bowling needs skill same as death bowling, bowler should be able to control the seam and swing , line and length with the new ball.. Rightly so, he finished at the same econ rate

You can go check his stats to look for the avg, SR and ECON for opening the bowling here.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...orderby=default;template=results;type=bowling

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There is another thread which emphasis on data handling about the players strengths and weakness, which is just a hit at google away. here is an article where they failed to target Warners weakness
https://www.espn.com/cricket/story/_/id/28182098/how-pakistan-got-utterly-wrong-david-warner-gabba

Also in 1st test in England 2020 against Woakes which also lost them the match

Pakistan does have a data analyst with the team but not sure if he does the job right and people in power ignores it and play with jazba lol..
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Did you actually even see Haris bowl in the last match? He was our best bowler on an absolutely flat pitch and saved atleast 20 runs at the death. Stop being biased for once and appreciate someone who is performing well, even if you don't like him.
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Im not biased, I said both Hasan and Haris cannot bowl with the new ball.

Hasnain cannot bowl in the death overs but he is very good early in the inns.. he should finish his quota of 10 inside 40 overs..

On the other hand, Haris and hasan cannot bowl with the new ball.
So if hasan has to be played, he should play in place of haris rauf..


Haris with his death bowling skills alone cannot sit in the ODI team.. He needs to possess or develop the skill to bowl in the middle part of an inns or bowl with the new ball.. He can get away with 4 overs of death bowling in t20s but that cannot save him in ODIs...

With his type of bowling top team will score at 9-11 RPO min during his first spell of 6 overs, then he has to make up that with death bowling and end up giving 70-80 runs for his 10 overs on a ordinary day..
 
Hasnain has no skills with the ball and in the 2 yrs since debut he hasn't moved an iota in his skill levels. He bowls away drift and not away swing, those of you that know your game will know what I mean. He doesn't have any genuine wicket taking balls, in the PSL I saw one ball which trapped a left hander LBW with the new ball. And I said on many threads, he just doesn't look quick, he is a like an 83mph bowler who seems to clock 90mph on the speed guns.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
A good bowler cannot be limited to coming on second or third change. Hasan has opened with the new ball before and he can do it again. Unless you have concrete facts to back up the claim that Hasan Ali is poor at opening with the new ball than all you are saying is your opinion.

Also, Pakistan can open the bowling with Faheem Ashraf aswell.
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Any bowler can bowl with the new ball, but not every bowler has the skill to bowl with the new ball. If you’ve actually been watching Pakistan cricket you’d know by now that Hassan Ali is not good enough to be our new ball bowler.

Pakistan only has 2 good new ball bowlers, one is Shaheen and the other is you know who.
 
Hasnain has got a golden chance to prove his worth. He is on today in place of Rauf.
 
No control of his L+L, only picked because he could bowl 90mph.

ZERO IQ, keeps bowling the same ball over and over again. Has ZERO variations. It must be demoralising as a Pakistani bowler if you’re getting dropped for bowlers like Hasnain and Rauf.

We’re scraping the bottom of the barrel in the pace bowling factory.
 
Rauf will be back again in the next game so rinse and repeat!

We're a mediocre cricketing nation and Hasnain level players must be accepted as the new normal now.
 
Watching this guy for the first time. He has some serious wheels, and I can see why they plucked him out of nowhere.

I'm sure he's already a handful at the FC level, but on the other hand he needs more control/ precision for international cricket. At the top level he'll just keep getting pinged to the boundary.

I wish him best of luck and the guidance he clearly needs.
 
0-21 in 2 overs. Can’t brush this performance under the carpet, especially due to the fact that he may be picked for the WT20.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
0-21 in 2 overs. Can’t brush this performance under the carpet, especially due to the fact that he may be picked for the WT20.
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For a young kid He hasnt let pakistan down so far

R we goin to base intnl selections of a bowler based on one avge t20 performance now?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
0-21 in 2 overs. Can’t brush this performance under the carpet, especially due to the fact that he may be picked for the WT20.
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It's T20... what do you expect every match, 2/20 every match? Par score nowadays is 180 which is 9 runs an over.
 
Another youngster whose just focused too much on ODI and T20 cricket and hasn't toiled in four day cricket to earn his place in the team.

Hasan Ali earned his place back into the team on the back of a successful domestic season where he topped the four day bowling charts and that is now reflecting in the consistency he is showing in international games for Pakistan
 
Zaz said:
For a young kid He hasnt let pakistan down so far

R we goin to base intnl selections of a bowler based on one avge t20 performance now?
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No, we base it on his most recent season in the PSL. 5 matches and just the 6 wickets. Is that a good enough season for him to be selected for the WT20?

Nasty Naz said:
It's T20... what do you expect every match, 2/20 every match? Par score nowadays is 180 which is 9 runs an over.
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Ah, the excuses are coming out for the golden boy. If it was someone else you’d say he’s not good enough.
 
Getting smashed by Shaheen and Rauf at the end, almost cost his team the game. Just goes to show having pace doesn’t make you a better bowler.

If the bowler isn’t quick enough, he’ll be labelled as a spinner by some when he has a bad day, but what do we call a bowler who has pace but gets smashed to pieces against tailenders? Any suggestions?🤔 [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]
 
Just unable to make an impact Hasnain - what is missing in his bowling?
 
Very worried that he isn't getting any better.

He should be lording over domestic batsmen or in domestic tournaments but an econ rate of 10.0 in the ongoing National T20 Cup is not what we want to see.
 
Frustrating watching him.

As soon as he goes for a boundary or two he loses his composure and starts spraying the ball around. He's played a fair bit of T20 cricket in the last couple of years, but the mistakes are being repeated.
 
His bowling IQ is awful. He needs support from domestic coaches, needs bowling discipline.

But for the idea of pace, Pakistan are going with bowlers not yet fully bloomed and experienced.
 
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