Has PSL exposed Pakistan's lack of talent?

[Sub-Zero]

Apart from spinners, I dont see anyone who excites me as a fan

Maybe Fakhar Zaman but for some reason not entirely convinced at this point

Shinwari? Irfan jr?

it's a shame that Khushdil, Talat, Mohsin, Badar, Mudassir, Noor Wali, Mir Hamza have not played so far. They would have performed decently at least.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

No.
I think we only saw talented young spinners and they performed. That too mostly because teams have to pick emerging players.

Ali Khan was the best hitter in Pakistan but ruined in domestic similarly Afaq Raheem was a super opening talent but fell down in these years after injury.. Pakistan have talent but channeling that talent is a problem.

 

[Kianig89]

So Sahibzada Usman Haseebullah and earlier in the year Azam Khan & Saim Ayub ,all PSL talents failing badly at international level.

Should we conclude performance wise PsL has no benefit to Pakistan cricket rather a false gauge of talents.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

So Sahibzada Usman Haseebullah and earlier in the year Azam Khan & Saim Ayub ,all PSL talents failing badly at international level.

Should we conclude performance wise PsL has no benefit to Pakistan cricket rather a false gauge of talents.

Have you seen the some of the highlight reels PCB publish on youtube from time to time?

The batters looks absolutely clueless. I have seen the worst shots, the worst techniques. It was barely village level. Pakistan has a serious problem with their batting and it's got worse over the years.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Have you seen the some of the highlight reels PCB publish on youtube from time to time?

The batters looks absolutely clueless. I have seen the worst shots, the worst techniques. It was barely village level. Pakistan has a serious problem with their batting and it's got worse over the years.

And the best part is that they're not even bothered to acknowledge it.

 

[W63L35]

In last 25 T20Is (excluding no-results) Pakistan has won only 3 ODIs against a major team (NZ). A total of 8 wins and 17 losses.


So much for PSL producing T20 talent and experienced players.

 

[Kianig89]

PSL is a garbage league as proved by financial numbers no big surge in broadcast revenue, no new teams added & no efforts to sign A list players.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ATM, PSL talent has got the better of IPL talent JFM. NO??

 

[Nikhil_cric]

ATM, PSL talent has got the better of IPL talent JFM. NO??

No.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No.

ok brother.

JFM is not an IPL talent??

 

[jnaveen1980]

ATM, PSL talent has got the better of IPL talent JFM. NO??

JFM scored 0,16,0 against scotland which is more than 9,20,18 against pakistan in early season australian conditons. Should we say Scotland > Pakistan In IPL all 4 of his 50s came at one ground which was Delhi. He failed in all other venues.

JFM at Arun Jaitley 222 runs 44.40 avger 274.07 strike rate (his IPL home ground)
at other venues 53 runs 17 avge

Delhi was a newly laid ground where teams scored scored 350, 400 for fun in the world cup. True wicket. On a wicket like this guys like him can flourish.

 

[BouncerGuy]

JFM scored 0,16,0 against scotland which is more than 9,20,18 against pakistan in early season australian conditons. Should we say Scotland > Pakistan In IPL all 4 of his 50s came at one ground which was Delhi. He failed in all other venues.

JFM at Arun Jaitley 222 runs 44.40 avger 274.07 strike rate (his IPL home ground)
at other venues 53 runs 17 avge

Delhi was a newly laid ground where teams scored scored 350, 400 for fun in the world cup. True wicket. On a wicket like this guys like him can flourish.

I am not saying PSL>IPL.

I am just saying that talent is there. Just needed to be used properly.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Talented power hitters and consistent over 140k+ bowlers simply don't exist in Pakistan as it seems.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am not saying PSL>IPL.

I am just saying that talent is there. Just needed to be used properly.

It comes down to how they want to use him. TM has to have a clear communication. Obviously JFM has the clear message that even if he loses his wicket he has to keep swinging. Same role is given to Abhishek sharma. Finn Allen was a bit inconsistent at the start. Now he has blossomed. Same way i expect JFM flourishing down the road.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's because of the culture. Selectors look at averages and call it a day.

Furthermore your captains in each and every league include

1) Rizwan
2) Babar
3) Shan


^^ Any other captain that may be named such as shadab, Saud etc is irrelevant because these 3 being captains of their respective franchises is a given.

How can pakistan improve when the culture is curated by these 3 lunatics?

If someone like Travis head existed in pakistan he would never made his debut since the likes of Hasebullah, Imam, Abdullah and many others would have been selected and pakistani fans would be pondering and using the same excuse over and over again.

Seriously pakistan cricket fans and by extension Misbah fans have gone on and on about how Babar and rizwan are our main batsmen and will remain our main batsmen even when the likes of Kamran ghulam and saud shakeel clearly showcased that their superior test players?

Babar I can understand for odi's but rizwan? Hahaha.

Pakistan team was well settled under sarfi, We had a poor test run followed by a poor 2018 odi run under him, However winning ct followed by achieving no 1 t20 rank, followed by a victories againat England in their own den is something Babar and rizwan's bhoota isn't even capable of achieving

 

[Ahmed216]

Have you seen the some of the highlight reels PCB publish on youtube from time to time?

The batters looks absolutely clueless. I have seen the worst shots, the worst techniques. It was barely village level. Pakistan has a serious problem with their batting and it's got worse over the years.

But some ignorant posters with agenda will continue to blame two individuals for every ill that affects our cricket.

This is some sort of soap opera for them with two negative characters.

 

[mominsaigol]

But some ignorant posters with agenda will continue to blame two individuals for every ill that affects our cricket.

This is some sort of soap opera for them with two negative characters.
I don't blame them because they know nothing about cricket

The criticism for Babar is unfair because people are assuming his current lack of form is applicable to his 2016-2021 form where he was consistently scoring centuries.

To top it off in his prime he was murdering rubbish bowling which isn't a bad trait as every team has one or 2 bowlers who you can exploit.

However it doesn't change the fact that in his prime he was a horrible test player and in t20 he only worked with fakhar and hafeez because his accumulative nature supported their attacking nature.

Babar and imam worked well when fakhar, Haris sohail, Hafeez, malik(Spin basher) were at the crease.

He doesn't work well now when the entire setup minus saim ayub is accumulative and just bootleg versions of him. Babar can't loft and is a horrible . player of spin. No hafeez and malik means Babar has to try to take on spin by himself which he doesn't know how to do.

As for rizwan the hate for him is 100% justified. Theirs no argument for him.

Babar surpasses Travis head in every format in terms of Avg, No of runs, No of centuries. Travis head is only ahead in sr. However anyone who has watched these 2 would know that te gulf in talent between these 2 is enormous.

Travis head is the 2nd greatest all format player aus has ever had only behind Warner while Babar isn't on that spectrum.

Same analogy for rizwan, Him replacing fakhar and batting ahead of batters like saud, Haris sohail etc etc is stupid. The gulf in talent between these guys and rizwan is enormous.

This stats + different formats and you're confusing various formats is only applicable to guys like Steve smith and kohli, where you have 2 all time greats However kohli is a million times superior to smith in whiteball with smith being a million times superior to kohli in red ball.

It isn't applicable to fakhar zaman vs Rizwan. Fakhar underachieved in t20 but that doesn't mean you Drop him for a limited batter.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

PSL isn't as bad as people are making out.

The bowling is more than decent but yes the batting isn't the best.

Leagues that are this old, can only showcase the available talent in the country, they can't yet produce it. Yes there are PDP but these are limited in scope because ultimately it is a league that lasts for a few weeks.

The issue is that in Pakistan things aren't given times to improve organically. Big brains come and fiddle and tinker with it, in most cases this fiddling and tinkering sets things backwards.

 

[mominsaigol]

PSL isn't as bad as people are making out.

The bowling is more than decent but yes the batting isn't the best.

Leagues that are this old, can only showcase the available talent in the country, they can't yet produce it. Yes there are PDP but these are limited in scope because ultimately it is a league that lasts for a few weeks.

The issue is that in Pakistan things aren't given times to improve organically. Big brains come and fiddle and tinker with it, in most cases this fiddling and tinkering sets things backwards.

Psl cultivated talent when they use to be hosted in UAE. The talent produced from back then compared to now is night and day.

For PSL to cultivate superstars, It's best to utilise the same pitches that were used against England in the test series.

A key metric that people ignore is that during 2016-2017, players like hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail were very good players of spin, Stark contrast from today where besides saud, Saim and fakhar, No one in the entire can play spin.

Similarly those same pitches were perfect to allow our players to counter the slower deliveries and some low and uneven bounce + seam. The only disadvantage was that our players were still clueless againat the short ball even back then.

These ramiz raja phatta wickets destroyed everything. Because players like Usman Khan find it easy to bash players on halwa pitches with short boundaries but struggle in the big stage on proper pitches.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Psl cultivated talent when they use to be hosted in UAE. The talent produced from back then compared to now is night and day.

For PSL to cultivate superstars, It's best to utilise the same pitches that were used against England in the test series.

A key metric that people ignore is that during 2016-2017, players like hafeez, Malik, Haris sohail were very good players of spin, Stark contrast from today where besides saud, Saim and fakhar, No one in the entire can play spin.

Similarly those same pitches were perfect to allow our players to counter the slower deliveries and some low and uneven bounce + seam. The only disadvantage was that our players were still clueless againat the short ball even back then.

These ramiz raja phatta wickets destroyed everything. Because players like Usman Khan find it easy to bash players on halwa pitches with short boundaries but struggle in the big stage on proper pitches.

Those players had solid development paths, it can't be attributed to two weeks of PSL in UAE. They played the majority of their cricket growing up outside UAE and outside PSL.

Same with Australia, look at JFM for example. He has played Grade Cricket, U19 cricket, 2nd XI cricket, Shield Cricket, State cricket etc before entering the Big Bash League. Sure he hasn't set the world alight yet, so will probably follow that loop again until he strengthens some aspects of his game, but he has solid development to get to this point.

Our pathways are completely broken. PSL's job is mainly to showcase talent that has been honed previously and produce a platform for it to shine, with some anomalies such as Haris or Usman who get a second chance because of it.

Of course PSL has its issues too with bad franchise management and the pitches which you rightly say are not helpful either, but the WHOLE of domestic cricket in Pakistan is rotten.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

ok brother.

JFM is not an IPL talent??

JFM has outbatted all PSL talents in this T20 series.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

PSL should consider producing flatter, more batting friendly pitches. While it's highly unlikely that they will replicate what India has done recently, because simply put, they just don't have the same talent pool. But it will atleast give local batters a taste of what it feels like to score and chase down monster totals in-excess of 230-240. Looking at Pakistan's T20 batting it doesn't feel like the batters have that confidence in themselves to go out and smash a 20-ball 50. Skill is a big aspect of cricket but I feel its a bit overstated in a format like T20, where you be successful even if you are a bits-and-pieces player. But self-belief and confidence does matter, especially in batting. If you believe it, you can manifest it.

And to their credit, India have understood this flat pitches part really well, which is a big reason why the IPL is such a hot product---because its fun to watch. Fans don't want to see boring T20 matches where one team struggles to chase down 140, or crawls to 130. They want to see big sixes. Good bowling always stands-out. Even on flat pitches that offer nothing. So we shouldn't be worried about that. But if we are really serious about changing our T20 batting, there has to be a radical shift in the types of pitches that are produced in the PSL.

 

[shariqnoor]

PSL should consider producing flatter, more batting friendly pitches. While it's highly unlikely that they will replicate what India has done recently, because simply put, they just don't have the same talent pool. But it will atleast give local batters a taste of what it feels like to score and chase down monster totals in-excess of 230-240. Looking at Pakistan's T20 batting it doesn't feel like the batters have that confidence in themselves to go out and smash a 20-ball 50. Skill is a big aspect of cricket but I feel its a bit overstated in a format like T20, where you be successful even if you are a bits-and-pieces player. But self-belief and confidence does matter, especially in batting. If you believe it, you can manifest it.

And to their credit, India have understood this flat pitches part really well, which is a big reason why the IPL is such a hot product---because its fun to watch. Fans don't want to see boring T20 matches where one team struggles to chase down 140, or crawls to 130. They want to see big sixes. Good bowling always stands-out. Even on flat pitches that offer nothing. So we shouldn't be worried about that. But if we are really serious about changing our T20 batting, there has to be a radical shift in the types of pitches that are produced in the PSL.

Two seasons ago, Pindi had the flattest of all flat pitches where 240 were being scored and chased. Azam Khan looked a million dollars in that PSL. Did it make any difference to the national team? It did not.

Pakistani players are not being coached well at the youth level. If a batsman comes on the international scene and lunges at balls like Usman Khan, then it means he wasn't coached well when he U-15. His terrible habits were not stopped in its track then.

India has always had a sound batting culture where coaches at the school level groom them to play with a straight bat and keep their shape. It's ingrained in every young batter out there. With India, it was always a mindset issue where they used to always put a price on their averages. It was never a skill issue with them. It's only now in 2024 that their mindset flipped 180 degrees in T20s and they are going all guns blazing without a care in the world for averages.

For Pakistan, it's a skill issue first and foremost. That skill needs to be first developed at the U-15 level where kids are taught to hit through the line and not across it. Force kids to maintain their shape when hitting the ball rather than lunging at the ball. Maybe also alter the scoring system. Any batsman hitting a 6th stump off-side delivery through mid-wicket gets penalized. PJL completely exposed the talent pool in the country where there was not even a single batsman who looked the part.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Two seasons ago, Pindi had the flattest of all flat pitches where 240 were being scored and chased. Azam Khan looked a million dollars in that PSL. Did it make any difference to the national team? It did not.

Pakistani players are not being coached well at the youth level. If a batsman comes on the international scene and lunges at balls like Usman Khan, then it means he wasn't coached well when he U-15. His terrible habits were not stopped in its track then.

India has always had a sound batting culture where coaches at the school level groom them to play with a straight bat and keep their shape. It's ingrained in every young batter out there. With India, it was always a mindset issue where they used to always put a price on their averages. It was never a skill issue with them. It's only now in 2024 that their mindset flipped 180 degrees in T20s and they are going all guns blazing without a care in the world for averages.

For Pakistan, it's a skill issue first and foremost. That skill needs to be first developed at the U-15 level where kids are taught to hit through the line and not across it. Force kids to maintain their shape when hitting the ball rather than lunging at the ball. Maybe also alter the scoring system. Any batsman hitting a 6th stump off-side delivery through mid-wicket gets penalized. PJL completely exposed the talent pool in the country where there was not even a single batsman who looked the part.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but then tell me this, why is it that a team like West Indies consistently produces good T20 cricketers? Despite the fact that cricket in those islands has largely gone by the wayside on the grassroots level, especially in-comparison to the rise of athletics.

Like I said, T20 cricket is less about skill then it is about confidence, self-belief and just having the guts to go for the big shots. I don't see Glenn Maxwell going out there and playing technically correct cover drives. That doesn't mean that the shots he plays don't have skill. But there is more confidence, guts and situational awareness at play when he is batting then people are willing to accept.

And sorry but you gave one example of a handful of games in the PSL. Last season in IPL I think just 280 was breached three or four times. Generally speaking pitches in the PSL are more balanced and oftentimes even favorable to the bowlers which is something you would never see in the IPL.

There are no short-term solutions to Pakistan's structural issues when it comes to producing good batters. But chasing down and scoring big totals chances will give Pakistani batters some familiarity of what it feels like to be in those positions. It certainly be better than what they are doing with the pitches now which is neither commerically appealing to the average fan nor especially conducive to unearthing batters who can score quickly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Those players had solid development paths, it can't be attributed to two weeks of PSL in UAE. They played the majority of their cricket growing up outside UAE and outside PSL.

Same with Australia, look at JFM for example. He has played Grade Cricket, U19 cricket, 2nd XI cricket, Shield Cricket, State cricket etc before entering the Big Bash League. Sure he hasn't set the world alight yet, so will probably follow that loop again until he strengthens some aspects of his game, but he has solid development to get to this point.

Our pathways are completely broken. PSL's job is mainly to showcase talent that has been honed previously and produce a platform for it to shine, with some anomalies such as Haris or Usman who get a second chance because of it.

Of course PSL has its issues too with bad franchise management and the pitches which you rightly say are not helpful either, but the WHOLE of domestic cricket in Pakistan is rotten.

This has been said for years now, Pakistan domestic cricket has just not been developed. It's staggering when you consider the massive commercial revenues this could open up with local branding, but not sure it has even occurred to anyone or who would be responsible.

 

[shariqnoor]

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but then tell me this, why is it that a team like West Indies consistently produces good T20 cricketers? Despite the fact that cricket in those islands has largely gone by the wayside on the grassroots level, especially in-comparison to the rise of athletics.

Like I said, T20 cricket is less about skill then it is about confidence, self-belief and just having the guts to go for the big shots. I don't see Glenn Maxwell going out there and playing technically correct cover drives. That doesn't mean that the shots he plays don't have skill. But there is more confidence, guts and situational awareness at play when he is batting then people are willing to accept.

And sorry but you gave one example of a handful of games in the PSL. Last season in IPL I think just 280 was breached three or four times. Generally speaking pitches in the PSL are more balanced and oftentimes even favorable to the bowlers which is something you would never see in the IPL.

There are no short-term solutions to Pakistan's structural issues when it comes to producing good batters. But chasing down and scoring big totals chances will give Pakistani batters some familiarity of what it feels like to be in those positions. It certainly be better than what they are doing with the pitches now which is neither commerically appealing to the average fan nor especially conducive to unearthing batters who can score quickly.

Pitches, confidence, self-belief, mental strength - all these things are important aspects no doubt but I would still consider them as after-the-fact items. The first and foremost pre-requisite is skill. Without skill, you cannot score 250 in T20s.

If you give the flattest pitch to a team like Papua New Guinea, would they score 280 in T20s? I don't think would they be able to do it, even against Nepal. Because they don't have the skills to score that many. Their techniques are completely flawed. No amount of confidence can make them score 280.

Maxwell has the confidence to go and play the way he does because he knows he has the skill to execute it. Plus Maxwell may have an unorthodox playing style but that still doesn't take away the fact that he doesn't lose the shape while hitting the ball.

With regards to the WI, the better question is why are they still able to produce great hitters despite not having flat pitches? Their pitches are actually quite slow. However, they are still able to produce better hitters because firstly they are all naturally well-built. Almost all of them are built like an ox. Their mishits travel 5 meters more than Pakistan's cleanest strikers. Secondly, they have stayed true to their identity. WI has always been known for their flair in batting. And the current players are carrying that legacy. Pakistan had an extremely good team in the 90s which matched Windies flair. Anwar, Sohail, Ijaz, would walk into current Pakistan's team and be T20 bonafide giants today. Imran Nazir carried that momentum and wasn't a blind slogger. However, somehow we lost our way and we couldn't produce good hitters.

PCB really needs to focus on U-15 and get their techniques sorted out. Kids need to learn how to hit the ball without looking like a complete fool like Usman Khan does. However, this is a long-term approach. The short-term approach would be as you said to give them flat pitches. Either way, I don't see results improving any time soon.

 

[mominsaigol]

PSL should consider producing flatter, more batting friendly pitches. While it's highly unlikely that they will replicate what India has done recently, because simply put, they just don't have the same talent pool. But it will atleast give local batters a taste of what it feels like to score and chase down monster totals in-excess of 230-240. Looking at Pakistan's T20 batting it doesn't feel like the batters have that confidence in themselves to go out and smash a 20-ball 50. Skill is a big aspect of cricket but I feel its a bit overstated in a format like T20, where you be successful even if you are a bits-and-pieces player. But self-belief and confidence does matter, especially in batting. If you believe it, you can manifest it.

And to their credit, India have understood this flat pitches part really well, which is a big reason why the IPL is such a hot product---because its fun to watch. Fans don't want to see boring T20 matches where one team struggles to chase down 140, or crawls to 130. They want to see big sixes. Good bowling always stands-out. Even on flat pitches that offer nothing. So we shouldn't be worried about that. But if we are really serious about changing our T20 batting, there has to be a radical shift in the types of pitches that are produced in the PSL.

No, They need to make extremely difficult pitches for batters. That way when they come on the big stage, They'll have an easy time against any opposition.

^^ Just kidding. I'm not that insane. I overall agree with you.

 

[Kianig89]

After the recent drubbings specially in T20 from Australia to SA to all the way back in NZ. Clearly evident there is lack of talent or no development pathway for young players. Pakistan are regressing so drastically that some international players over the years who barely hold on to their place in respective teams look world beaters and leagues above Pakistan's squad.

One comparison can be

Rahane
Hales
Van Wyk+
H.Marshall
D.Hussey
Maschrenas
T. Perera
Botha c
P.Chawla
J.Dernbach
K.Jarvis
============

This team is definitely better than Pakistan team which is being playing over the last 2 yrs

 

[charlie007]

I still believe no way Pakistan is behind India in talent wise...could be at par...the problem arise when PCB is run as a political institution

@The Bald Eagle bhai thinks talent is overflowing in Pakistan.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Pitches, confidence, self-belief, mental strength - all these things are important aspects no doubt but I would still consider them as after-the-fact items. The first and foremost pre-requisite is skill. Without skill, you cannot score 250 in T20s.

If you give the flattest pitch to a team like Papua New Guinea, would they score 280 in T20s? I don't think would they be able to do it, even against Nepal. Because they don't have the skills to score that many. Their techniques are completely flawed. No amount of confidence can make them score 280.

Maxwell has the confidence to go and play the way he does because he knows he has the skill to execute it. Plus Maxwell may have an unorthodox playing style but that still doesn't take away the fact that he doesn't lose the shape while hitting the ball.

With regards to the WI, the better question is why are they still able to produce great hitters despite not having flat pitches? Their pitches are actually quite slow. However, they are still able to produce better hitters because firstly they are all naturally well-built. Almost all of them are built like an ox. Their mishits travel 5 meters more than Pakistan's cleanest strikers. Secondly, they have stayed true to their identity. WI has always been known for their flair in batting. And the current players are carrying that legacy. Pakistan had an extremely good team in the 90s which matched Windies flair. Anwar, Sohail, Ijaz, would walk into current Pakistan's team and be T20 bonafide giants today. Imran Nazir carried that momentum and wasn't a blind slogger. However, somehow we lost our way and we couldn't produce good hitters.

PCB really needs to focus on U-15 and get their techniques sorted out. Kids need to learn how to hit the ball without looking like a complete fool like Usman Khan does. However, this is a long-term approach. The short-term approach would be as you said to give them flat pitches. Either way, I don't see results improving any time soon.

This is the real problem , we are not getting talent at grass root level because parents don’t want their kids to suffer while pursuing cricket as a career and secondly the coaches at junior levels are doing 90s coaching of playing in the V and punishing dashers by not selecting them. Pour money in to grass root and get modern coaches is the best thing to do which will not happen sadly.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

We used to get good fast bowling talent and good spinners but now we are not getting them either. Batting talent was never there in abdundant

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pitches, confidence, self-belief, mental strength - all these things are important aspects no doubt but I would still consider them as after-the-fact items. The first and foremost pre-requisite is skill. Without skill, you cannot score 250 in T20s.

If you give the flattest pitch to a team like Papua New Guinea, would they score 280 in T20s? I don't think would they be able to do it, even against Nepal. Because they don't have the skills to score that many. Their techniques are completely flawed. No amount of confidence can make them score 280.

Maxwell has the confidence to go and play the way he does because he knows he has the skill to execute it. Plus Maxwell may have an unorthodox playing style but that still doesn't take away the fact that he doesn't lose the shape while hitting the ball.

With regards to the WI, the better question is why are they still able to produce great hitters despite not having flat pitches? Their pitches are actually quite slow. However, they are still able to produce better hitters because firstly they are all naturally well-built. Almost all of them are built like an ox. Their mishits travel 5 meters more than Pakistan's cleanest strikers. Secondly, they have stayed true to their identity. WI has always been known for their flair in batting. And the current players are carrying that legacy. Pakistan had an extremely good team in the 90s which matched Windies flair. Anwar, Sohail, Ijaz, would walk into current Pakistan's team and be T20 bonafide giants today. Imran Nazir carried that momentum and wasn't a blind slogger. However, somehow we lost our way and we couldn't produce good hitters.

PCB really needs to focus on U-15 and get their techniques sorted out. Kids need to learn how to hit the ball without looking like a complete fool like Usman Khan does. However, this is a long-term approach. The short-term approach would be as you said to give them flat pitches. Either way, I don't see results improving any time soon.

Other teams have moved way ahead in terms of professionalism aswell. Cricket is not just played with talented cricketers anymore, there is so much going on behind the scenes nowadays that no matter how talented you really are, your weaknesses will be brutally exposed at international level.

Look at how New Zealand operate. They have strict gameplans and strategies, and the onus is on the eleven to go out there and execute them. Defined roles lead to defined skill-sets. Our domestic system doesn’t encourage that, nor is the player taking any responsibility. Everyone wants to open and everyone wants to be a T20 specialist if they are a bowler.

Similarly, team managements all over are working on their players to enhance their strengths. Our players regress horribly because they slack off, and stop working on both their strengths and weaknesses. There have been just too many players now to name who have performed initially, and now are even worse than club level.

Complete and utter mess, nothing is going right.

The buck starts at the top. Mohsin Naqvi will do a massive service to Pakistan cricket if he removes this filthy constitutional rule of the Prime Minister appointing the PCB chairman. It really is time to privatize the PCB and results will follow.

 

[BouncerGuy]

In the past, we used to get a lot of bowling talent that the whole world acknowledged for real, but now we are getting one-match wonders.

In batting, Pakistan was never doing good. Average batting talent was always the case here but it seems like Pakistan is losing the bowling talent as well.. Maybe, fitness is also something these guys are not willing to improve.

 

[mominsaigol]

In the past, we used to get a lot of bowling talent that the whole world acknowledged for real, but now we are getting one-match wonders.

In batting, Pakistan was never doing good. Average batting talent was always the case here but it seems like Pakistan is losing the bowling talent as well.. Maybe, fitness is also something these guys are not willing to improve.

How?

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Ijaz Ahmed
3) Aamer sohail
4) Yousaf
5) Inzimam
6) Younis Khan
7) Abdul Razzaq
8) Shahid Afridi
9) Fakhar Zaman
10) Zaheer Abass

And many others

These are not average batting talents in odi, test and t20 cricket

Yes their not All time greats. Talent pool wise India, Australia, Sa and classic wi are clearly better but this batting talent pool of our past is clearly better then most nations?

Saeed Anwar and Fakhar Zaman are better then 90% of openers in NZ, Eng, Sri lanka history and better then pretty much other minnow nations.

From nz glenn turner, guptil, Mccullum, Fleming and a few others are better but the likes of latham, Conway, are clearly worse lol.

Younis Khan in test cricket is probably better then pretty much any nation except for 1 to 5 test cricketers from each nation that are > him.

Inzimam, Yousaf would easily fit into most middle orders outside the big 3(India, Australia) and tbf they might fit into England as well, at the very least inzimam would fit into England 11 for odi.

England themsleves would gradually swap zaheer abass for one of their own during the 70's era considering how badly zaheer would bitcher England back then, they were his favourite team to bully.

Our past batting stocks were decent. Not atg material but still solid.

It's just Pakistan current stocks are poor in every single format both batting and bowling included

 

[RyanRyan10]

Instability in PSL is a concern. Someone like Sahibzada Farhan, who represented Pakistan in T20s just months ago didn't get picked by any team. Similar situations have occurred in previous seasons with other players. T20 cricket is a format where most batters may not consistently perform well, but they should be judged on ability to make an impact. Players should be given more opportunities and support by the franchises.

@Rana

 

[Rana]

Instability in PSL is a concern. Someone like Sahibzada Farhan, who represented Pakistan in T20s just months ago didn't get picked by any team. Similar situations have occurred in previous seasons with other players. T20 cricket is a format where most batters may not consistently perform well, but they should be judged on ability to make an impact. Players should be given more opportunities and support by the franchises.

@Rana

I think the PCB’s involvement in what the franchise does to select players and appoint captains needs to be revised…

Or the PCB make it absolutely clear that they will not take PSL performances seriously to select national team players.

 

[mominsaigol]

Psl isn't a bad league but they need to stop relying on a league where usama mir and Usman khan are your top players.

 

[Bhaijaan]

How?

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Ijaz Ahmed
3) Aamer sohail
4) Yousaf
5) Inzimam
6) Younis Khan
7) Abdul Razzaq
8) Shahid Afridi
9) Fakhar Zaman
10) Zaheer Abass

And many others

These are not average batting talents in odi, test and t20 cricket

Yes their not All time greats. Talent pool wise India, Australia, Sa and classic wi are clearly better but this batting talent pool of our past is clearly better then most nations?

Saeed Anwar and Fakhar Zaman are better then 90% of openers in NZ, Eng, Sri lanka history and better then pretty much other minnow nations.

From nz glenn turner, guptil, Mccullum, Fleming and a few others are better but the likes of latham, Conway, are clearly worse lol.

Younis Khan in test cricket is probably better then pretty much any nation except for 1 to 5 test cricketers from each nation that are > him.

Inzimam, Yousaf would easily fit into most middle orders outside the big 3(India, Australia) and tbf they might fit into England as well, at the very least inzimam would fit into England 11 for odi.

England themsleves would gradually swap zaheer abass for one of their own during the 70's era considering how badly zaheer would bitcher England back then, they were his favourite team to bully.

Our past batting stocks were decent. Not atg material but still solid.

It's just Pakistan current stocks are poor in every single format both batting and bowling included

You’re doing a great service to this forum in Mamoon Bhai’s absence. Sometimes i wonder what is your drive and what keeps you going despite all the propaganda gangs bro.

 

[mominsaigol]

You’re doing a great service to this forum in Mamoon Bhai’s absence. Sometimes i wonder what is your drive and what keeps you going despite all the propaganda gangs bro.

I'm greatest of all time and it took me only 2 years to achieve it

 

[Bhaijaan]

I'm greatest of all time and it took me only 2 years to achieve it

Definitely got the aura of a young Cassius Clay

 

[Hellion]

PSL is an elite league where random village/tape ball bowlers are selected and they bowl 145 kph. With a bit of training they hit 155 kph . Batters also hit big sixes .

Natural talent is in abundance. Maybe not Afghanistan level talent but it's definitely there