Has the Holy Quran undergone any changes in its history?

[kk1992]

Bingo!! One of the purpose of Science is to get rid of and discredit dogma, supernatural, superstition... Science has discredited all religions. We are not ashamed of that, but sell it as feature of Science not some Hidden political motive, it’s like blaming Feminist, that “you are trying to make men and women equal”, “discrediting religion is mission statement”

science gets rides of shaddy and pseudo religious logic, that’s the value of it. Muslim world scholar are scared of it for a reason... Ig will kill their business...Pakistan does not need more money spent on education, but freedom of speech, where free thinking Culture can thrive...

Side effect of that would be culture of Islam will be damaged...Like Age of Scientific enlightenment damaged Christian culture in significant way, that has allowed western society to progress and prosper far behind eastern civilization...
Money wise 400/500 years ago Mongal and Ottaman empires had lot more money and resources then westerns... What tilted the balance was Science took hold in major way, they led to enlightenment, exploration, industrial revolutions, separation of Church and state etc, these ideas transform their society and culture... Most Asian culture and specially Muslims are resisting it to date.

And again, faith.

 

[yasir]

And again, faith.

Do you understand the difference between faith and reason??

In modern society, when there is a conflict between faith and reason, reason is taken president... That is essence of separation of church and state...

Church and state should be separate or not??

 

[miandadrules]

Do you understand the difference between faith and reason??

In modern society, when there is a conflict between faith and reason, reason is taken president... That is essence of separation of church and state...

Church and state should be separate or not??

You’re going to go in circles, never moving on from the initial premise.

Then, he’ll claim you’ve moved the goal post. Before, posting anything detail, ask him to clearly define his point. Maybe we can progress from there.

But I highly doubt it.

 

[kk1992]

Do you understand the difference between faith and reason??

In modern society, when there is a conflict between faith and reason, reason is taken president... That is essence of separation of church and state...

Church and state should be separate or not??

People with faith have their reason.

 

[kk1992]

You’re going to go in circles, never moving on from the initial premise.

Then, he’ll claim you’ve moved the goal post. Before, posting anything detail, ask him to clearly define his point. Maybe we can progress from there.

But I highly doubt it.

Did you check out the Webster definition of Jizyah?

 

[miandadrules]

Did you check out the Webster definition of Jizyah?

Are you familiar with the dunning-Kruger effect.

But I’ll play this game.

What exactly are you trying to say. You’ve got free reign so please state clearly the point you are making.

Let’s see if we can make some progress.

 

[miandadrules]

People with faith have their reason.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[James]

This is one of those threads where one should stay away because nothing good will come out of it believers will hopefully still believe and non-believers (may Allah guide tham) will likely still believe in what they believe

Agree. I was considering coming back in to contribute something, but having just read a few of the other posts, think I’ll stay away from this one.

 

[kk1992]

Are you familiar with the dunning-Kruger effect.

But I’ll play this game.

What exactly are you trying to say. You’ve got free reign so please state clearly the point you are making.

Let’s see if we can make some progress.

What more do I need to say regarding this? absolutely nothing. Like, I have said, I have wasted enough time on it.

You are like a lap dog, who does not want to leave until you convert everyone who does not agree with you, to atheism.

For the last time, my initial comment was, 'Jizyah is a form of tax", which you decided to quote.

I provided webster definition but that was not satisfactory for you because it does not align with your beliefs, which is Okay.

Jizyah, was a tax, maybe the mechanism of collection was not up to your standard, but it was and is still define as tax. It is in simplest and elementary English.

You have a right to call it something else but that does not change the official definition of it.

 

[miandadrules]

Yasir Qadhi seems to have made statements that go against traditional narrative.

 

[miandadrules]

At 1.17.00 the discussion on the preservation of the Quran starts

At 1.25.45 Qadhi admits that the traditional understandings cannot answer some of the pressing questions being asked by Academics. And that the most advanced of Muslim scholars are unsure how respond.

At 1.26.00 He makes a point that the Muslims just accept what they are told and don't probe too much. But he emphasises that we can't refute the claims as they are from Islam's own sources.

At 1.26.45 He admits that the standard narrative with regards to the compilation and preservation of the Quran has holes in it.

At 1.30.00 Interestingly, when pushed on whether he could write down word for word what God revealed or would the current Quran exactly match what was in Medina at the times of Islam's formation. He said, not exactly but will be familiar.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Waseem Rizvi’s remark on Quran triggers row, 'Rs 11L bounty to behead’ declared

Lucknow: Former Uttar Pradesh Shia Central Waqf Board chairman Waseem Rizvi’s plea in the Supreme Court for removal of the 26 verses from the Quran has triggered a massive row.

Recently, Rizvi had approached the SC with a petition seeking deletion of 26 verses of the Quran which he has claimed are of "violent nature and not part of the original Quran but added after the death of Prophet Mohammad".

Meanwhile, a lawyer allegedly announced an Rs 11 lakh reward for "beheading" Rizvi. An FIR has been filed against Amirul Hasan Zaidi under Section 505(2) (statements creating or promoting enmity, hatred or ill-will between classes) and 506 (criminal intimidation) of the Indian Penal Code.

Earlier today, the Shia Muslim youth broke the 'Hayati Qabr' (Living Grave) of Rizvi in Lucknow, saying the ex-Shia Central Waqf Board chairman does not deserve to be buried in a Shia Muslim graveyard since he is no more a Muslim after his utterances against the Quran.

On Sunday, thousands of Muslims protested at the Bada Imambara in Uttar Pradesh’s Lucknow against Rizvi. Sunni and Shia clerics led the protest against Rizvi and sought his arrest.

A call for a big rally and a protest march was also announced by Maulana Syed Kalbe Jawad Naqvi and Advocate Mehmood Pracha from Jama Masjid in Delhi after Friday prayers on March 19, 2021.

In the meantime, senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Syed Shahnawaz Hussain lashed out at Rizvi, saying that his party is strictly against those who insult religious texts.

"I strongly object and condemn Waseem Rizvi's petition seeking the removal of 26 verses from the Quran. It is my party's stand that saying absurd things about any religious texts, including Quran, is a highly condemnable act," Hussain told news agency PTI.

"The BJP is not in favour of any changes to any verses of the Quran or any other religious texts...Waseem Rizvi does not have any right to hurt the religious sentiments of the people," he added.

The National Commission for Minorities (NCM) has issued a notice to Rizvi, asking him to render an apology and to withdraw his comments within 21 days.

"The NCM directs you to withdraw your comments and tender an unconditional apology within 21 days, failing which the Commission will be constrained to hold a hearing under Section 9 of the National Commission for Minorities Act, 1992 and direct appropriate authorities to take legal action as deemed fit," the NCM notice read.

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