Has the ongoing England vs India series been a PR disaster for Jasprit Bumrah?

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah often hyped to be the greatest bowler of all time hasn't had the best Summer.

While his stats aren't too bad, he hasn't been able to win a single test for India this summer.

Against England in the 1st test despite an impressive 5 wicket haul in the 2nd innings, he went wicketless and posed no threat to England as they were cruising towards a historic 10 wicket win before rain intervention and some brilliant bowling Krishna managed to somewhat dent England but enough to secure a 5 wicket win.

News was circulating that England would proceed to demolish India in the 2nd test as without Bumrah, Indian bowlers would surely struggle on a flat pitch.

But this was not the case, Indian bowlers completly bamboozled England and seemed to hurt them far more then Bumrah feasibly could.

After the series was tied 1-1, it was clear that England would forgoe the bazzball approach and adopt a Spicy Test wicket for the 3rd test.

Fans were Happy as Pr rumors insinuated that Bumrah would ensure England would suffer defeat on such a pitch, Yet despite this England more or less easily defeated India with a fighting effort from Jadeja being the only saving grace that gave England a major fright.

If not for jadeja we would have likely seen a 60-70 run defeat.

Is Bumrah really a stat padder? Has the PR myth been busted.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not only this, Archer outright butchered India and took crucial wickets ensuring a collapse.

This is from a player who hasnt played FC in nearly 4 years.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Devadwal

Myth busted, They are too afraid to face Goat Bumrah on a spicy Pitch .

2nd Myth busted: Mr 2003 will always support his team during tough situations and battle tough PP posters.

 

[straighttalk]

No

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah the match-winner and one man army narrative is getting blown to pieces.

He has now lost 5-6 consecutive Tests in Australia and England and his useless stat-padding have done nothing for India.

Archer played his first Test in 4 years and produced a far impactful performance.

So yes it has been a PR disaster.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bumrah failed in both 2nd innnings he bowled so far, this is when your elite/top bowlers come to the party.

He is a top bowler but not elite imo. He has limited variations and its clear England have a plan for him, how to line him up and which shots to play.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah the match-winner and one man army narrative is getting blown to pieces.

He has now lost 5-6 consecutive Tests in Australia and England and his useless stat-padding have done nothing for India.

Archer played his first Test in 4 years and produced a far impactful performance.

So yes it has been a PR disaster.

Bumrah failed in both 2nd innnings he bowled so far, this is when your elite/top bowlers come to the party.

He is a top bowler but not elite imo. He has limited variations and its clear England have a plan for him, how to line him up and which shots to play.

Id argue that his rash shot also the reason India lost.

Siraj cant bat at all. Bumrah can't bat but he can defend. He has done it before.

His super heroics cost the game considering Jadeja was in the mood to play an ATG innings.

 

[mominsaigol]

@uppercut

Is this what you meant by watching the game live

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He bowled a champion spell in this test but overall yes his image has been dented.

Picking and choosing matches is a major black mark against a player and while there is not a direct correlation the fact that they won the only match he didn't play also raises some questions.

However Indian fans seem content with him for now.

 

[captain.hansolo]

My god lads! The cope with you lot is astonishing!

 

[Mamoon]

Id argue that his rash shot also the reason India lost.

Siraj cant bat at all. Bumrah can't bat but he can defend. He has done it before.

His super heroics cost the game considering Jadeja was in the mood to play an ATG innings.

He was pulling the ball as if he’s Ponting. What a complete brain-fart moment.

 

[mominsaigol]

He bowled a champion spell in this test but overall yes his image has been dented.

Picking and choosing matches is a major black mark against a player and while there is not a direct correlation the fact that they won the only match he didn't play also raises some questions.

However Indian fans seem content with him for now.

Indian fans seem content with everything.

How can they not be when they make fake narratives for sachin?

How many times have they spammed that article of mcgrath trying to establish some sort of rivalry between the 2?

Their rivalry was akin to Mchrath bowling against a no 8 in 1990's. Post 2000's Sachin started avg 5 in test vs Mcgrath.

Seriously what rivalry? Mcgrath bowling to Sachin is akin to someone like Wasim Akram bowling to me. We are both bunnies.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@uppercut

Is this what you meant by watching the game live

Usko rest karne do.

 

[mominsaigol]

I've learned how to make threads. Make them when india loses so that the clown gang of @jeeteshssaxena @Devadwal @Mesozoic @Sachin fan will stay silent before re emerging for another beatdown.

Won't ping Vikram as although he's not an official member, he's more so the cry baby sentimental cheerleader who reports and lets his wives do the talking lol. Oh and @jnaveen1980 as well. He is the new official member.

Not sure on uppercut though. Should I add him

 

[mominsaigol]

I've learned how to make threads. Make them when india loses so that the clown gang of @jeeteshssaxena @Devadwal @Mesozoic @Sachin fan will stay silent before re emerging for another beatdown.

Won't ping Vikram as although he's not an official member, he's more so the cry baby sentimental cheerleader who reports and lets his wives do the talking lol. Oh and @jnaveen1980 as well. He is the new official member.

Not sure on uppercut though. Should I add him

Oh wait I forgot @nish_mate @Hellion as well. How could I forget them.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

I've learned how to make threads. Make them when india loses so that the clown gang of @jeeteshssaxena @Devadwal @Mesozoic @Sachin fan will stay silent before re emerging for another beatdown.

Won't ping Vikram as although he's not an official member, he's more so the cry baby sentimental cheerleader who reports and lets his wives do the talking lol. Oh and @jnaveen1980 as well. He is the new official member.

Not sure on uppercut though. Should I add him

Bro bumrah has unfortunately failed to create any impact with matches he played yes he got wickets but it had no bearing on the scoreline England are 2 up and archer who came after so long made a impact and won his team a match.

 

[mominsaigol]

Usko rest karne do.

K, but he has joined the gang. Its upto 8 members now.

What a gang, 8 members + 1 cheerleader.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

how many top order wickets Bumrah take this series?

 

[sweep_shot]

K, but he has joined the gang. Its upto 8 members now.

What a gang, 8 members + 1 cheerleader.

They are all clowns minus @Bhaag Viru Bhaag.

BVB is nice fella.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bumrah's views about Indian top order when they say they lost because he took 5-fer..
===

 

[sweep_shot]

What's next for India? Will they play Bumrah in 4th Test? They should because series may finish next game.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro bumrah has unfortunately failed to create any impact with matches he played yes he got wickets but it had no bearing on the scoreline England are 2 up and archer who came after so long made a impact and won his team a match.

Honestly Bumrah is starting to resemble Sachin in many ways.

Both players are viewed as the goats of cricket despite 2 aussies and 2 WI's existing who are far superior to them.

Both players never produced a match winning innings minus 1 or 2 such sachin vs Pakistan 2003 and Bumrah vs SA 2024. But even then it came against a team who had burnt out pacers at the end of their rope and another team thats a bottle job.

Plus Bumrah didnt win it. Pandya did by getting klaseen out.

Both players have stats and thats about it.

Both players have fake made up narratives.

People believe Mchrath vs Sachin was rivalry. It was the most one sided stomp showdown in existence.

Similarly Bumrah vs Mcgrath and Marshall isnt even a debate. Its a one sided stomp.

Everyone mocking lonstas as a tulla yet konstas was the one who humiliated Bumrah. A 19 year old rookie who cant muster a run murked bumrah .

Bumrah isnt even the best avg bowler os this era. Scott boland is and has outperformed Bumrah.

Boland record in first 14 tests >>>>> Bumrah's in his first 14 lol. Infact Boland did better in BGT then Bumrah but played lesser matches.

 

[mominsaigol]

What's next for India? Will they play Bumrah in 4th Test? They should because series may finish next game.

1st, 3rd and 5th

 

[mominsaigol]

They are all clowns minus @Bhaag Viru Bhaag.

BVB is nice fella.

Naw BVB cant ever be a part of the gang.

To be a part of the clown gang, the first rule is that you have to be Stupid. The 2nd rule is that you have be mentally brain dead. The 3rd rule is that you have to be annoying.

Very special folks fit that criteria.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Thread is idiotic.

Bumrah has more SENA 5 FERS IN wins than any other Asian bowler, if you are targeting him then you for sure are calling greats like Akram and Imran low impact cricketers.

Idiotic thread started by a dimwit who can’t calculate averages.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thread is idiotic.

Bumrah has more SENA 5 FERS IN wins than any other Asian bowler, if you are targeting him then you for sure are calling greats like Akram and Imran low impact cricketers.

Idiotic thread started by a dimwit who can’t calculate averages.

Before you target me 24/7 out of ego. Understand that I am not the one who started this. I made a thread.

These are @Mamoon words not mine. I just put his words in a thread.

With that being said I 100% agree with him and many other posters.

I do not take credit for other people's arguments, I can make my own. But I do agree with them and will create a thread from them crediting said user if I find the discussion to be valid.

 

[RexRex]

Idiotic thread started by a dimwit who can’t calculate averages.

OP is not exactly the brightest, is he ?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Stats obtained via espn statsguru

Of all Asian pacers Bumrah has the most amount of 5fers in wins in SENA

Bumrah -5 avg 15.5 in wins

Akram -5 avg 17.7 in wins

Imran Khan - 3

Waqar -3
Siraj -3



With this info we get that Siraj has created as much impact as Waqar in SENA in wins while Bumrah as expected has the best numvers and most 5 fers in wins

No trolling can change this resort.

 

[mominsaigol]

OP is not exactly the brightest, is he ?

How many people agree with Mamoon and Me on this thread vs How many agree with you?

Actually where are your people? Where's your KP leader @Devadwal or the other members of the clown gang i pinged. Where is everyone?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Before you target me 24/7 out of ego. Understand that I am not the one who started this. I made a thread.

These are @Mamoon words not mine. I just put his words in a thread.

With that being said I 100% agree with him and many other posters.

I do not take credit for other people's arguments, I can make my own. But I do agree with them and will create a thread from them crediting said user if I find the discussion to be valid.

He changed his views 180 degree after some mod from PP sent him some PKRs overnight.

His opinions are bought, he is not someone who you should take seriously.

 

[RexRex]

How many people agree with Mamoon and Me on this thread vs How many agree with you?

Actually where are your people? Where's your KP leader @Devadwal or the other members of the clown gang i pinged. Where is everyone?

Most of us have already moved on and r looking forward to winning the 4rth test by about 300 runs.

 

[mominsaigol]

He changed his views 180 degree after some mod from PP sent him some PKRs overnight.

His opinions are bought, he is not someone who you should take seriously.

Coming from the guy who liked his posts.

Dont give me moral lectures. I have my own views but certain views I agree with. It is not my fault that my views are beloved by the likes of Rana, Sultan, Sweepshot and many others.

Heck despite you mocking me with that Aussie Nonsense for a over a year, we actually have a real born and bred gora aussie on this forumn @Ice Man and he views me as > you jokers for obvious reasons.

You cant even read the bloody thread properly. Imagine bringing in past stats when the thread clearly reads

England Vs India: Bumrah PR disaster

Learn to read and stick to topics at hand before you start with this averages nonsense. If I cant read averages what does it say about you who can't even read basic English sentences?

 

[mominsaigol]

Most of us have already moved on and r looking forward to winning the 4rth test by about 300 runs.

Yes what a brilliant mind you have. I am not bright i agree. In order to be sharp and quick witted while simultaneously possessing a high IQ i should start commenting

India will beat England by 300 runs in the next test. Only then will my IQ rise according to the PP Indian standard of measurements

 

[mominsaigol]

If i was Bumrah, I'd suck it up and play the 4th test.

You are 2-1 down now. Your team managed to win a game without you, so have the guts to help your team level up the series and trust them to win the decider.

Rather then playing a rest where its likely that england may go 3-1 and india is toast.

 

[TheSultan]

On a serious note, I can’t understand Indian fans. They’d rather back someone who lost them tests in the search to prove one of their players is the GOAT of something.

We Pak fans can sometimes be too harsh, but we never shy away from blaming our own players even if they are our favourites.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yes. Bumrah has been exposed as a statpadder and a alleged chucker.

 

[mominsaigol]

On a serious note, I can’t understand Indian fans. They’d rather back someone who lost them tests in the search to prove one of their players is the GOAT of something.

We Pak fans can sometimes be too harsh, but we never shy away from blaming our own players even if they are our favourites.

Big difference.

Before shami and Bumrah Indian fast bowlers were essentially water boys. That's how bad they were and they mostly relied on their batting and spinners to get thr job done with their pacers taking 1 or 2 fluke wickets at best or mopping up the trash tailenders of that era.

Pakistan despite a dry history after Imran, Wasim and Waqar, still produced semi decent bowlers who would make it into most 11's except for a few.

Pakistan has no reason to he jealous of their pace history. Yes they should be a bit dissapointed that the Atg no ended up the big 3 but their pace factory is nowhere near as bad as India who despite being the richest board + most populated country with a world class domestic structure, Continues to produce filth upon upon filth when it comes to fast bowling minus a few cricketers like pandya, Bumrah etc etc that are really good

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah has not done anything to win a game for INdia... He should make an excuse of workload and rest the remaining games as well.. India did well without him.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah has not done anything to win a game for England... He should make an excuse of workload and rest the remaining games as well.. India did well without him.

Actually bumrah has done everything to help England win 2 games .

Helped England get his wicket(3rd test), helped england spank him in the 4th innings(1st test)

 

[BouncerGuy]

Actually bumrah has done everything to help England win 2 games .

Helped England get his wicket(3rd test), helped england spank him in the 4th innings(1st test)

Meant to say against England... LOL

But yeah, Bumrah helped them

 

[BouncerGuy]

READ THE TOPIC AGAIN AND POST NEXT

 

[kron]

If i was Bumrah, I'd suck it up and play the 4th test.

You are 2-1 down now. Your team managed to win a game without you, so have the guts to help your team level up the series and trust them to win the decider.

Rather then playing a rest where its likely that england may go 3-1 and india is toast.

Yep enough of this cotton wool wrapped up etc

He should play.

Will be funny if we win again without him

Interesting thread though. He is a great bowler but stats are there to see. We have won more without him than with. But bumrah only plays tough teams. He doesn’t play any easy teams though.

 

[kron]

On a serious note, I can’t understand Indian fans. They’d rather back someone who lost them tests in the search to prove one of their players is the GOAT of something.

We Pak fans can sometimes be too harsh, but we never shy away from blaming our own players even if they are our favourites.

If he is performing which he has then it’s good but picking and choosing games I am definitely not ok with.

For some reason 3rd and 4th seamers under perform when bumrah plays but step up when he isn’t around.

 

[kron]

Sachin for me was a genuine stat padder

Kl cost us this match btw
He is 100% selfish trash stat padder

Bumrah I don’t believe pads stats. Definitely not. He is special but if we continue to lose while he plays and win without him then questions need to be raised. He ain’t no god. No one is.

If he under performs then take him out.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Bumrah often hyped to be the greatest bowler of all time hasn't had the best Summer.

While his stats aren't too bad, he hasn't been able to win a single test for India this summer.

Against England in the 1st test despite an impressive 5 wicket haul in the 2nd innings, he went wicketless and posed no threat to England as they were cruising towards a historic 10 wicket win before rain intervention and some brilliant bowling Krishna managed to somewhat dent England but enough to secure a 5 wicket win.

News was circulating that England would proceed to demolish India in the 2nd test as without Bumrah, Indian bowlers would surely struggle on a flat pitch.

But this was not the case, Indian bowlers completly bamboozled England and seemed to hurt them far more then Bumrah feasibly could.

After the series was tied 1-1, it was clear that England would forgoe the bazzball approach and adopt a Spicy Test wicket for the 3rd test.

Fans were Happy as Pr rumors insinuated that Bumrah would ensure England would suffer defeat on such a pitch, Yet despite this England more or less easily defeated India with a fighting effort from Jadeja being the only saving grace that gave England a major fright.

If not for jadeja we would have likely seen a 60-70 run defeat.

Is Bumrah really a stat padder? Has the PR myth been busted.

Agreed, Bhumrah and Head are the biggest myths to have been busted this year. Bhumrah for being overrated in general and Head for being rated at all for the FTB HTB he is.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agreed, Bhumrah and Head are the biggest myths to have been busted this year. Bhumrah for being overrated in general and Head for being rated at all for the FTB HTB he is.

Agreed, Bhumrah and Head are the biggest myths to have been busted this year. Bhumrah for being overrated in general and Head for being rated at all for the FTB HTB he is.

Head is an HTB in test, who on earth has disagreed?

 

[Fenrir]

Bumrah has not been called but he will be remembered for his dodgy action.Murlitharan was another one with dodgy action but he got away with it.People compare Murli with Warne but there is no comparison.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I just saw Washington the other day, man I don't know why no one hasn't called him a chucker yet

Bumrah has not been called but he will be remembered for his dodgy action.Murlitharan was another one with dodgy action but he got away with it.People compare Murli with Warne but there is no comparison.

 

[mominsaigol]

As much as i want England to Thrash India. It'll be funny if India win without Bumrah

 

[Devadwal]

Yes only for delusional and wannabe fans

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Every test match last innings Bhumrah seems to choke, does he lack the clutch gene? WTC 2021 against NZ he was in great form but went wicketless. Similar pattern has followed in last innings against other teams. Does Bhumrah not have it in him when the going gets tough? Will he ever be instrumental in winning big test series and ICC Trophies?

 

[Rana]

Every test match last innings Bhumrah seems to choke, does he lack the clutch gene? WTC 2021 against NZ he was in great form but went wicketless. Similar pattern has followed in last innings against other teams. Does Bhumrah not have it in him when the going gets tough? Will he ever be instrumental in winning big test series and ICC Trophies?

Bro he did bowl out Rizwan in the T20 wc recently

Especially when Pakistan were looking good to win.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Jasprit Bumrah has taken more 5fers in wins in SENA than any other Asian bowlers.

He has never used bottlecaps and he has never fixed matches against his country.

Also he literally won a t20 wc for his team.

The only thing he lacks is fixing gene which only great bowlers from the land of Pakistan have.

 

[Rana]

Jasprit Bumrah has taken more 5fers in wins in SENA than any other Asian bowlers.

He has never used bottlecaps and he has never fixed matches against his country.

Also he literally won a t20 wc for his team.

The only thing he lacks is fixing gene which only great bowlers from the land of Pakistan have.

But he does have the chucking gene like Ajmal

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He should be renamed Basprit Jhoomrah.

For Internationals: Basprit
For IPL: Jhoomrah

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Thread is idiotic.

Bumrah has more SENA 5 FERS IN wins than any other Asian bowler, if you are targeting him then you for sure are calling greats like Akram and Imran low impact cricketers.

Idiotic thread started by a dimwit who can’t calculate averages.

More Fifer in SENA is Dumb argument

India plays lot more test cricket in AUS and ENG. Early 2010s it was 4 matches one series away and one home. Now it has become 5 matches each series. Half way mark through Career Bumrah has played more test matches In SENA , Equal if not more compared to any previous great Asian Bowler

 

[mominsaigol]

More Fifer in SENA is Dumb argument

India plays lot more test cricket in AUS and ENG. Early 2010s it was 4 matches one series away and one home. Now it has become 5 matches each series. Half way mark through Career Bumrah has played more test matches In SENA , Equal if not more compared to any previous great Asian Bowler

The answer to this thread is yes.

Similarly the answer to whether india had an unfair advantage in CT or not is also Yes.

In a perfect world where the gang did not exist, we would have very short threads. I give them alot of credit for extending 10 to 20 comment threads into 400 to 600 comment threads .

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

More Fifer in SENA is Dumb argument

India plays lot more test cricket in AUS and ENG. Early 2010s it was 4 matches one series away and one home. Now it has become 5 matches each series. Half way mark through Career Bumrah has played more test matches In SENA , Equal if not more compared to any previous great Asian Bowler

He has played less matches than Wasim and Imran. So your premise is wrong.

 

[mominsaigol]

He has played less matches than Wasim and Imran. So your premise is wrong.

I love it when indians use fancy words such as premise to sound smarter when in reality they have dont even have the courage to admit that they are cheaters

 

[mominsaigol]

He has played less matches than Wasim and Imran. So your premise is wrong.

You dont even have the guts to debate boland vs Bumrah with me. Lol.

Boland is a much better bowler then Bumrah.

 

[James]

Bumrah failed in both 2nd innnings he bowled so far, this is when your elite/top bowlers come to the party.

He is a top bowler but not elite imo. He has limited variations and it’s clear England have a plan for him, how to line him up and which shots to play.

His fitness is poor. Not just in terms of resting games, but even in the game. England are getting 25 overs into his body in the first innings, and as a result he ends up getting shoulder massages on the boundary and can’t come back later into the game to go again.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bro he did bowl out Rizwan in the T20 wc recently

Especially when Pakistan were looking good to win.

I dont agree with the OP. Bumrah usually delivers in the big occasions. However in that match, Rizwan got himself out. One of the worst shots ever. He just had to play out a few balls and the game was genuinely won.

 

[ikky47]

He has played less matches than Wasim and Imran. So your premise is wrong.

Less overall matches but more in SENA he has played then them both and they had much longer careers. Wasim toured Aus 3 times in his career and his career went on for 17 years in Test. Bumrah has already toured Aus as many times as Wasim did and he made his Test debut in 2018.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Jasprit Bumrah has taken more 5fers in wins in SENA than any other Asian bowlers.

Mushtaq Ahmed has taken more fifers in SENA wins that any Indian spinner in history. He has more than Kumble Harbajhan Ashwin and Jadeja combined.

Do you think that on this basis he is better than any Indian spinner?

Consider the fact that for a spinner bowling in SENA is a lot more difficult too.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Mushtaq Ahmed has taken more fifers in SENA wins that any Indian spinner in history. He has more than Kumble Harbajhan Ashwin and Jadeja combined.

Do you think that on this basis he is better than any Indian spinner?

Consider the fact that for a spinner bowling in SENA is a lot more difficult too.

Again, 5 SENA fifers in wins is the cherry on top to his brilliant average of 19.

Does Mushtaq Ahmed average 19, no he averages 33. Anil Kumble and Ashwins averages are better than Mushtaq and no one is denying that he was a match winner, also his performance says that he definitely had more match winning performance in SENA than our spinners.


The comparison with Pakistani pacers is getting spicier because ppers are now blaming Bumrah for Indias loss, which is nonsensical.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Less overall matches but more in SENA he has played then them both and they had much longer careers. Wasim toured Aus 3 times in his career and his career went on for 17 years in Test. Bumrah has already toured Aus as many times as Wasim did and he made his Test debut in 2018.

Akram played 32 matches in SENA
Bumrah has played 32 matches in SENA
Khan has played 29 because there was no SA during his time.

 

[ikky47]

Akram played 32 matches in SENA
Bumrah has played 32 matches in SENA
Khan has played 29 because there was no SA during his time.

Yes I had a look same number of matches but Bumrah has more innings bowled 61 innings and Akram had 55. But as I mentioned above Wasim played 32 matches in the 'SENA' countries from a career starting in 1985 and ending in 2002 and Bumrah has equalled that and will go above that easily and his test career is only in his 7th year.

 

[Ball Blazer]

He is still the second-leading wicket-taker of the series despite missing the second test.

 

[KingKhanWC]

His fitness is poor. Not just in terms of resting games, but even in the game. England are getting 25 overs into his body in the first innings, and as a result he ends up getting shoulder massages on the boundary and can’t come back later into the game to go again.

Agree he doesn’t seem the type to be the gym for hours . But I’ve always wondered with his bowling action, the amount of stress he’s putting on his body must be immense. He won’t be bowling at a high level in 2 years.

 

[U$ofA]

His fitness is poor. Not just in terms of resting games, but even in the game. England are getting 25 overs into his body in the first innings, and as a result he ends up getting shoulder massages on the boundary and can’t come back later into the game to go again.

It's likely not fitness related at all.

I see it as, his primary employer, Mumbai Indians not linking his work load. Calling his secondary employer, BCCI and telling them to knock it off. BCCI promptly obliging.

We all know that MI is his primary job. Working for BCCI is just a side hustle.

 

[U$ofA]

Agree he doesn’t seem the type to be the gym for hours . But I’ve always wondered with his bowling action, the amount of stress he’s putting on his body must be immense. He won’t be bowling at a high level in 2 years.

MI do not want him bowling at a high level now. Let alone 2 years from now.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

He has played less matches than Wasim and Imran. So your premise is wrong

Bumrah Has played 8 matches in SA.. has 3 Fifers
Wasim played 2 matches in his entire career in SA

This more fifer theory in SENA is as dumb as it can get

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Again, 5 SENA fifers in wins is the cherry on top to his brilliant average of 19.

Does Mushtaq Ahmed average 19, no he averages 33. Anil Kumble and Ashwins averages are better than Mushtaq and no one is denying that he was a match winner, also his performance says that he definitely had more match winning performance in SENA than our spinners.


The comparison with Pakistani pacers is getting spicier because ppers are now blaming Bumrah for Indias loss, which is nonsensical.

There is no cherry that can be compared across eras and we can't blame individual bowlers if they bowl well but the rest of the team fails to deliver. Now suddenly match winning performance abroad becomes secondary to average, when some other comparisons are made then you guys will find a way to bring in total number of wickets.

The conversation is getting spicy because many Indian posters are suddenly rewriting history. The Pakistani bowlers that you guys idolised and put on a pedestal are now being subjected to slanderous accusations at the drop of a hat. This is a common tactic used by Indians when it comes to historical topics.

If you want to go back in time and make the silly comments you have about tampering and bottle tops, do you think Bumrah would have been allowed to play international cricket back then? He would have been selling popadoms outside the stadium with an action like he has.

Do you think back in those days he would be a pampered prince who could sit out as many test matches as he wants in the tough conditions of Asia to keep him nimble for bowler-friendly SENA tours?

Of course not. So don't resort to denigrating older players to try to pump the status of the current darling of India.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

MI do not want him bowling at a high level now. Let alone 2 years from now.

Is his private jet paid for by BCCI or Mumbai?

 

[U$ofA]

Is his private jet paid for by BCCI or Mumbai?

Not sure. Maybe they both give him rides in private jets. Perhaps he has one of his own!

 

[mominsaigol]

I will only give one benefit to Bumrah. He is the best statisical bowler of his era, but obviously 100x behind Starc in achievements.

Its foolish to compare him to mcgrath and Marshall when those 2 have won silverware and turned their side into the most dominant test side of that era while Bumrah has turned India into a joke.

I'm sick of these arguments such as it is a young team, its in transition etc etc.

The current india team is 100x superior to Kohli's team in every way. The only downgrade is losing shami which is a setback. Ashwin was useless in sena.

The truth is Kohli was a better leader and the team performed better under him despite being weaker on paper.

But this current team has been the exact same for years.

They lost kohli, big whoop he has been avg 27 for 6 years, Lost rohit again big whoop, Pant at no 6 is a 200x better then rohit. They lost ashwin. Again big whoop as he is useless in sena although yes Washington is a downgrade.

Batting wise this team is stronger. Transition my foot.

Kohli dominated in an era without Bumrah. The likes of Pujara wouldnt have been successful without Kohli's leadership.

Bumrah is unable to lift his side as he lacks the aura that kohli had. No one is afraid of this clown. A 19 year old tulla lapped him with these. Konstas was more scared of alzarri Joseph then Bumrah lol.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

A 19 year old tulla lapped him with these. Konstas was more scared of alzarri Joseph then Bumrah lol.

Bumrah was supposed to Run through Aus top order during boxing day test. Konstas came out of syllabus

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

You dont even have the guts to debate boland vs Bumrah with me. Lol.

Boland is a much better bowler then Bumrah.

i think another debate that deserves attention is that in Test Cricket , Kagiso Rabada is superior to Bumrah , Rabada has minimum 30 Tests left in him and he can Finish well over 450 Scalps

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah was supposed to Run through Aus top order during boxing day test. Konstas came out of syllabus

Bumrah is very similar to Kane Williamson.

2 players with extremely high averages, extremely good performance, infact Kane Williamson is Bumrah's papi ironically in test cricket, 30+ centuries and will eventually join the 10K club as well with a 54Avg.

But when you start digging deeper you realise that Williamson isnt within bootlicker distance of Steve Smith or Joe Root as a batsmen despite on paper having a better record.

When you start noticing his country performances and the fact that he doesn't really have much of an impact in batting excluding India who he ironically owns .

You'll understand why he doesnt deserve to be mentioned alog with the rest.

The same goes for Bumrah. However Bumrah is indian thats the issue. If Williamson was indian you would have seen nonsense upon nonsense like you see with Dhoni.

@jeeteshssaxena Puts Dhoni > QDK as an odi batsmen . Joke of the century.

 

[mominsaigol]

i think another debate that deserves attention is that in Test Cricket , Kagiso Rabada is superior to Bumrah

Rabada is the greatest test bowler of this era with Starc being the greatest alll format bowler + greatest pink ball bowler.