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Hasan Ali: 30 of his 42 ODI wickets are against the top 4 teams (AUS, ENG, IND, SA)

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That's an outstanding achievement for a guy, who is not even a year older at the international circuit.

Total wickets: 42

30 wickets(with 23 being against AUS and ENG alone) against top 4 teams (AUS, ENG, IND, SA) on the flattest of pitches of Eng and AUS. That's 71% of career wickets against top teams.

3 wickets against Sri Lanka (Good batting unit)

9 wickets against WI (Decent batting unit)

THE HIGHLIGHT BEING,
0 wickets, yes zero, yes absolutely none against BAN, ZIM, AFG, IRE.

In contrast, MUSTAFIZUR has 44 wickets. Just 18 against top 4 teams (AUS, ENG, IND, SA). That's just 40% of career wickets against top teams. Moreover, out of that 18, 13 against India alone, in the debut series where he was a mystery bowler and bowling on those dusty wickets.

It's really injustice for him to be compared to Mustafizur. That doesn't mean Fizz is bad. He could even surpass Hassan in the future.
But, as of now Fizz is nowhere near the class of Hassan.
 
He is a terrific bowler already in LOIs. Next challenge for him will be in Test matches.
 
Hassan inshallah will be a star and unlike the golden boy he is really serious about his fitness.In an interview Sarfraz was raving about Hassan saying he's strong like a Rock though he looks wiry.
 
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Xoib said:
Hassan inshallah will be a star and unlike the golden boy he is really serious about his fitness.In an interview Sarfraz was raving about Hassan saying he's strong like a Rock though he looks wiry.
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What's wrong with Amir's fitness lol?
 
Hassan's workload should be managed. Rather all 3 seamers' workload should be properly managed.

Against top teams: (ENG, AUS, IND, SA, NZ)

1.Amir
2.Junaid
3.Hassan

Against average teams (SL, WI and BAN)

1.Amir/ Hassan
2.Junaid
3.Raees

Against lower ranked teams (ZIM, IRE, AFG )

1.Junaid
2.Raees
3.Usman Khan

Junaid should play all series as he just plays the ODIs.
 
I don't think he will be as successful in test cricket. Should stick to shorter formats of the game and prolong his career.
 
Good post- Hasan Ali is well in front of Mustafizur.
 
Brilliant thread. Then you get Indian posters saying Bumrah is better:))). Hasan is well ahead.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
I don't think he will be as successful in test cricket. Should stick to shorter formats of the game and prolong his career.
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He has just played one test and made hell of an impact in the 2nd innings of the last test match against West indies. I think he can be really successful if he remain working on his fitness. He bowls with in the stumps, can swing the new ball, can ball a good bouncer, is pretty pacy and most importantly he can reverse swing the ball which is very important in dry flat test pitches.
 
Interesting facts, but I think he's either on par or below Bumrah.

Among upcoming pacers, I would rate,

1.Bumrah
2.Hassan
3.Rabada
4.Mustafizur
 
Kohli said:
Interesting facts, but I think he's either on par or below Bumrah.

Among upcoming pacers, I would rate,

1.Bumrah
2.Hassan
3.Rabada
4.Mustafizur
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Well.....I guess it will be apparently clear where Bumrah is and Hassan is in the next 2-3 years.....Only time can truly gauge both pacers.
 
Shaik said:
Hassan's workload should be managed. Rather all 3 seamers' workload should be properly managed.

Against top teams: (ENG, AUS, IND, SA, NZ)

1.Amir
2.Junaid
3.Hassan

Against average teams (SL, WI and BAN)

1.Amir/ Hassan
2.Junaid
3.Raees

Against lower ranked teams (ZIM, IRE, AFG )

1.Junaid
2.Raees
3.Usman Khan

Junaid should play all series as he just plays the ODIs.
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Precisely why someone must talk some sense into the PCB and bring in a fast bowling rotation system. There is no way these boys bodies will hold up. In fact I'd be totally against hasan of amir playing UAE tests.

Hasan junaid amir rumman shinwari wahab sohail Khan Rahat Ali Imran khan is more than enough seamers for us to consistently rotate around. Give the weaker ones games in UAE tests.

Look at england they have a foster of Anderson broad woakes Willey jake ball Chris jordan Roland jones and all get mixed around with only woakes playing all three formats
 
Kohli said:
Yeah...I agree, post 2019 WC, we could easily conclude who is better among these 4 upcoming seamers.
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In 3 years time, there would BE no Bumrah.... he will fade just like the usual Indian seamers do. While Hassan has a chance to be a fine bowler. Bumrah's action is not sustainable in the long run, he would lose his pace within an year or (god forbid) injure his back, if not managed properly. Hassan on the other hand has got a fine repeatable action which holds him in good stead for a long future. Add to that the basic ingredients of pace, swing, seam, reverse and cutters.... he is already a much more complete article
 
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
 
Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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😂😂😂😂

Fizz is a trundler. Forget Hassan bumrah is twice as good as him
 
Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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wait....Now tests are the barometer of a cricketer's worth for you?

Quite the change in your opinion
 
Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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what about kallis,murali and fintoff you have no idea what are you talking hasan is doing something doing

right that is why you are so obsessed with him
 
Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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I appreciate, as u are a true fan. No matter what, you would say FIZZ is better than anyone.
 
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Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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A bowler outbowling opposition bowlers at home, and that too when the opposition bowlers were touring BD for the first time... That's ATG stuff right there :bow:

The logic in your second paragraph has been debunked on countless occasions, but I understand its the only thing of note the Fizz has achieved in his entire career. Still remember when he first arrived on the scene that delusional fans wee labelling him an ATG after 2 games. :)))
 
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Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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Not that they can't but I don't think they'll ever finish a tournament with only 1 wicket. Fizz is a legend I guess not many front line seamers would have done that in England especially ones who are regarded as future ATGs by some.
 
Funny how Indians rate Bumrah lmao... Every time I've seen him he seemed like a run-of-the-mill Indian pacer who starts off well and then disappears after a few years. All he has to his game is a good yorker. Nothing else.
 
Dios said:
Lol I've had enough of this disrespect. Fizz was just the best pacer on both sides against Australia in a Test series with dead wickets for fast bowlers. Neither of these bums (Bumrah or Hasan) have played Test cricket yet and that shows how their own teams see them as. Taking the most wickets in the Champions Trophy means jack **** when legends like Venkatesh Prasad and Wayne Parnell have also done it.

Neither Bumrah or Hasan Ali can achieve what a fully fit Fizz has in their dreams even. A five-fer and then a six-fer in consecutive games to single-handedly take down the world's strongest batting line-up in your very first series. That's a once in a lifetime performance that Hasan can never emulate in his lifetime.
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He did it at home. Hasan Ali played one test so far and got three wickets on a Day five pitch when the spinners were dominating. Watch this series against SL and then decide. Fizz has potential but you're not defined by what you can do just at home.
 
Hasan Ali got a great start to his career. He got the ball to reverse in CT which no other bowler could. Its not fluke and the guy is clearly talented.

He is too young to judge in LOI cricket. As of now, he is a terrific bowler and Pak got a great core of pace unit now with Amir/Hasan as their main bowlers. Rumman, Abbas, Wahab, Junaid as backups.
 
Syed1 said:
Funny how Indians rate Bumrah lmao... Every time I've seen him he seemed like a run-of-the-mill Indian pacer who starts off well and then disappears after a few years. All he has to his game is a good yorker. Nothing else.
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It is same as how you guys rate your batsmen and fielders.
 
How many of the wickets are top order batsmen? That would give a better indication of the quality of wickets. Anyway, things even out over a long career.
 
Who is Bumrah? First time hearing the name.

I really rate that one Indian kid who bowled a no ball in the 2016 WT20 semi and this CT2017 final, looks a good prospect.
 
Suleiman said:
Who is Bumrah? First time hearing the name.

I really rate that one Indian kid who bowled a no ball in the 2016 WT20 semi and this CT2017 final, looks a good prospect.
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After that no ball in CT 2017 final Bumrah hasn't bowled a no ball worked alot on taking ball away from right handers ; Hasan is the best bowler in CT no doubt . Mustafizur also amazing bowler but struggling after injury let's see what happens in future only those who improve continously will survive.
 
troodon said:
Hasan Ali got a great start to his career. He got the ball to reverse in CT which no other bowler could. Its not fluke and the guy is clearly talented.

He is too young to judge in LOI cricket. As of now, he is a terrific bowler and Pak got a great core of pace unit now with Amir/Hasan as their main bowlers. Rumman, Abbas, Wahab, Junaid as backups.
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This. The way he was able to move the ball during the middle overs was brilliant.
 
So wait, a guy who is bowling well for over a year and half, most of his wickets are against very strong opposition, away from home mostly and performed in all conditions is labelled under 'There came so many like this and gone...'!

But, someone who can't even emulate half of what he achieved only couple of years back is the 'Legend' and is here to stay, now that makes complete sense LOL
 
Monsee said:
So wait, a guy who is bowling well for over a year and half, most of his wickets are against very strong opposition, away from home mostly and performed in all conditions is labelled under 'There came so many like this and gone...'!

But, someone who can't even emulate half of what he achieved only couple of years back is the 'Legend' and is here to stay, now that makes complete sense LOL
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lol same i have no idea what kind of ;logic is this

i think hasan is must doing some thing right that is why some posters cannot digest that
 
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