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Hasan Ali - Has he done enough to be compared to current premier fast bowlers?

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He he done enough to be considered in same line as Wood, Woakes, Hazelwood and Rabada?
 
Shorter, browner Agarkar with smaller ears. Similar to Ajit, will be good for ODIs for a few years before fading away.
 
Most ODIs Wickets Since the debut of Hasan Ali on 18th Aug 2016:

35 Starc
33 Hasan/Plunkett/Rashid Khan
32 Rashid
30 Boult
 
Not yet. In two years, inshaAllah. He still has a lot to learn. It's a bit more difficult for him because of his height so he has to be precise in his method of attack on different pitches. For that, he needs a lot of experience with the new ball with the field inside the circle. Captain Tubby needs to put his money where his mouth is and let the "young talented player" bowl with the new ball and persist. He's a quick learner.
 
Please remind me what was his performance in the pressure match against India ?
 
Definitely the best in the Pak team. Hopefully in a years time he'll be regarded as one of the worlds top bowlers like Starc and Boult.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Shorter, browner Agarkar with smaller ears. Similar to Ajit, will be good for ODIs for a few years before fading away.
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Let's hope you are at least in part right. Ajit was fastest ever to 50 ODI wickets if I recall. And why would he fade away?
 
To be fair he was good against IND until that final spell.

Has great potential but it's just a start. Many bowlers fizzle away as they settle in.
 
I would say in one dayers and T20s he is definitely up there. In tests he has a lot of potential as well with his command on reverse swing.

Height i no issue when you have som much talent. Look at Malocm Marshal, Shoaib Akhtar, Brett Lee, Dale Steyn etc. Height never stopped them to achieve the heights they did.
 
He should be given the new ball. In the PSL he was given the new ball and he had a beautiful outswinger.

He needs to put in a few match winning spells.
 
his top speed is fine can cross 145 but average speed needs work needs to be 140 atleast maybe this can happen with better fitness.
 
One more year or 20 odd Games....
If he continues to do good he would be right there...
 
Xoib said:
his top speed is fine can cross 145 but average speed needs work needs to be 140 atleast maybe this can happen with better fitness.
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What is this obsession with SPEED....
He is fine, HW also bowls in the same range...
Going for more pace is just gonna result in injuries and nothin else
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Hope he don't turn into another wahab riaz. Impressed with him till now.
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He won't because he isn't reliant on one skill and he isn't as stupid.

Going back to the top I think Hasan Ali needs great test series to be spoken on in that light. In Odis he is slowly getting fans like Nasser, Slater and Bishop
 
i know pace is not the end of every thing but for a bowler of Hassan skill set good pace 140-145 kmph will be very important he is a skiddy bowler who looks to get a lot of bowled and Lbw's and that can only happen regularly if he bowling at a good lick.I believe an average pace increase from 135 to 140 can make a difference in making him a 27 averaging test bowler from a 37 it is that critical.
 
he could become dale styen of Pakistan if he carry on working hard.
 
A very good bowler , not as good as the names you have mentioned. Unfortunately his height won't allow him to be in the top category.
 
Definitely built his rep in LOIs, and to think he should get a few Ks quicker as he reaches his mid-20s, really good bowler.

Despite everything, we still have a skillful set of bowlers - Shadab, Yasir, Junaid, Amir, Hasan, Abbas.
 
shebimalik said:
Most ODIs Wickets Since the debut of Hasan Ali on 18th Aug 2016:

35 Starc
33 Hasan/Plunkett/Rashid Khan
32 Rashid
30 Boult
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wow.... this is impressive and given he has to play with likes of wahab who is a pressure killer for us ... thts is impressive and also, he has toured NZ, Aus, Eng which are the top teams in the world...i think he is going good .... obviously needs a bit more time to learn and improve and then prove but he is on the track..
 
Currently he is the agarkar of Pakistan - especially the first two years in odi's
 
A bowlers true worth is known only after their 2nd year. Many have a great start but once batsman all around the world get used to them is when their real challenge begins and if he still sustains such performances, then sure.
 
Pete Rose said:
Currently he is the agarkar of Pakistan - especially the first two years in odi's
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I always felt Agarkar's problem was that he lost his inner Agarkar. If he had
kept being as Agarkar as he was when he first burst unto the scene he would
have ended up an ATG ODI bowler. As is he had to settle for being one of Asia's
best. If Hasan emulates him he would be en route to becoming the 4th best
ODI pace bowler for Pakistan, after Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib.
 
Xoib said:
i know pace is not the end of every thing but for a bowler of Hassan skill set good pace 140-145 kmph will be very important he is a skiddy bowler who looks to get a lot of bowled and Lbw's and that can only happen regularly if he bowling at a good lick.I believe an average pace increase from 135 to 140 can make a difference in making him a 27 averaging test bowler from a 37 it is that critical.
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Currently Hasan averages 18 in Tests. ;)
 
Like this lad. Seems to be someone who puts his head down and works a lot(improvement in pace being an example). Hope he does well. :)
 
New Yorker said:
I always felt Agarkar's problem was that he lost his inner Agarkar. If he had
kept being as Agarkar as he was when he first burst unto the scene he would
have ended up an ATG ODI bowler. As is he had to settle for being one of Asia's
best. If Hasan emulates him he would be en route to becoming the 4th best
ODI pace bowler for Pakistan, after Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib.
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It was a different India in that era. They did not know (a) how to identify a good fast bowler (b) how to pamper them and (c) how to ensure their longevity.

As for Hasan, I hope he retains his desire to be a new ball bowler. Middle of the innings bowlers often become a little too gimmicky (reverse swing, slower ball etc).
 
Amir is still far better than him, we saw the difference in match against India, didn't we ?
 
Hasan is by far the best bowling prospect introduced by Pakistan post WC'15. He may not have the traits of a conventional Pakistani fast bowler but he is quick, skiddy, able to reverse the ball & has a very good in-dipper. Cherry on top he is a very hardworking guy with a good brain & is really willing to build a successful career for himself. He has improved his fitness, increased his pace after his debut in only one year & I am sure he'll keep on improving with the time. He has that unique ability to bounce back strongly after a bad outing & I am sure he'll make a name for himself within the top ranks of modern era medium-fast pacers.
 
Not yet but if he keeps performing like this I don't see why he can't be.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Like this lad. Seems to be someone who puts his head down and works a lot(improvement in pace being an example). Hope he does well. :)
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He always had this pace but wasn't strong enough to sustain it. Coming out of the gutter(domestic cricket) and working with professionals has changed that. He's still not at his fastest yet though. With his armspeed, he should be able to bowl 145ks consistently by fine-tuning his action and run-up and a bit more strength work.
 
He has the makings of an elite 1st change fast bowler in LOIs ... Need to see how he progresses in tests in order to find out if he's a bowler for all 3 formats which I think he is but we'll see. He has literally become the ace of our attack ahead of Amir. Amir has better control but Hasan has the knack to take wickets and his ability to bounce back immediately after bad matches is remarkable. He keeps putting in impact spells.

If he can add an away swinger with the same action and length, he'd literally become Dale Steyn-esque.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Shorter, browner Agarkar with smaller ears. Similar to Ajit, will be good for ODIs for a few years before fading away.
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Agarkar literally never bowled a ball in his 200+ ODI career , like Hassan Ali did to Parnell
 
Let the guy develop, let him improve and learn.

He will improve but people need to be patient with him.
 
In the shorter format he has been nothing short of a fresh of exceptional.

Above everything else I like his attitude and the length he bowls. Uses his brain as well.

Only aspect I want him to improve is his death bowling.

Otherwise I hope he breaks and excels in the Test format as well.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He always had this pace but wasn't strong enough to sustain it. Coming out of the gutter(domestic cricket) and working with professionals has changed that. He's still not at his fastest yet though. With his armspeed, he should be able to bowl 145ks consistently by fine-tuning his action and run-up and a bit more strength work.
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Who do you think can be the 3rd seamer along with Aamir and Hassan since Junaid is clearly not good enough and is probably chucking as well.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Who do you think can be the 3rd seamer along with Aamir and Hassan since Junaid is clearly not good enough and is probably chucking as well.
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The four best young prospects atm are Bashir, Irfan, Ghulam, Ehtisham. Bashir is the most ready and has domestic performance behind him.
 
bujhee kom said:
Average pacer. No X factor - will get hammered more often than not. Also pelts it.
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Rubbish at best; arm chair critics and jealousy both at best!
 
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coy0607 said:
Agarkar literally never bowled a ball in his 200+ ODI career , like Hassan Ali did to Parnell
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Do you only believe in things that you see personally? I guess maybe things like gravity and God may be questionable as well then?


Sir Aggy won a test match in Australia against Australia. Forced the great Steve Waugh to retire hurt. And bowled dozens of jaffas over the course of his career.

He will forever be remember in that generation of fans with the words. "Aag! Aaag! Fire!"


On a serious note, apart from physical resemblances - Hassan also resembles Aggy in his tactical approach to bowling - never afraid to bowl that fuller length, searching for wickets. Eventually that caught up with Aggy, and may catch up with Hassan as well. But so far, he's doing pretty well.
 
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Saj said:
Let the guy develop, let him improve and learn.

He will improve but people need to be patient with him.
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What patience, he is already world class.

He has temperament and intelligence. Its natural because he is so young. He will take over 300 ODI wickets in his career.
 
What is his height?

Is he like 5'8 or sth?
 
Hasan Ali has a better SR in ODIs since the 2015 WC than Boult, Rabada, Starc and Hazlewood (24.8).

He's an intelligent bowler and is going from strength to strength. Ridiculous he wasn't blooded in earlier and instead likes of Wahab, Rahat and Irfan were persisted with by coaches whose strength was supposedly bowling.
 
That Agarkar comparison is something I don't see in him at all. For me he looks like a raw alter-ego of Steyn in terms of bowling. I do think he's going to get better because he accepts his flaws and always looks to improve himself.
 
moghul said:
Amir is still far better than him, we saw the difference in match against India, didn't we ?
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I didn't see much of a difference. Actually Hasan took a wicket while Amir was in the dressing room so what's your point?
 
I don't know why he's getting compared to Agarkar, one of Hasan's biggest strengths is his steely temperament, whereas Agarkar always looked about as tough as a daffodil.

I think the biggest hurdle for Ali is going to be not to believe the hype, because for sure he is going to be lauded by the Pakistani fans and media as the greatest superstar born to Pak cricket for a generation. Amir had that and he is still trying to live up to it after the fixing disaster.

Hasan Ali is a talent for sure, but he's still got to put the stats on the board before we can start putting superstar status on him.
 
He is the best 1st change fast bowler in world cricket imo. He can provide you wickets in the middle overs which is special. He can easily bowl with the new ball but we need him more in middle overs. Amir , Junaid , Wahab etc never look like taking wickets in the middle overs.

Pakistan will win many matches because they have a quality wicket taker in middle overs.
 
Down on pace from last 3 series.

Not getting that sharp skidy Seam movement into right handers and away from lefties from over the wicket angle.


It was speed from the hand, pace and skid from the surface together with seam movement which made him a treat to watch and compensated for lesser height and bounce.


Lots of hard work needed wrt fitness and technique. Strength training required looks weaker than before.



Nowhere near champions trophy hasan Ali after only 1 year. Struggling big time which is bad for the team.



Pakistan needs him to be at his best in next 1 year whereas he is in regressing mode unfortunately.



Back to drawing board mate. Stardom needs backseat atm.
 
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