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Have Babar, Imam and Rizwan surpassed Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan in ODI cricket?
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Rizwan has not surpassed anyone in ODI cricket.
Babar has surpassed Younis but he needs to score 7000 ODI runs at 50+ average and 85+ to surpass Yousuf and Inzy.
What are Imam's stats vs top 8 teams? He too has surpassed Younis also, although again Younis on these wickets would have scored at same pace as Imam.
Babar has surpassed Younis but he needs to score 7000 ODI runs at 50+ average and 85+ to surpass Yousuf and Inzy.
What are Imam's stats vs top 8 teams? He too has surpassed Younis also, although again Younis on these wickets would have scored at same pace as Imam.
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Talking about Babar, in shorter format "Yes". He is far better than Yousuf and Younis and slightly better than Inzi in ODIs. However in Test format he is far behind all of them.
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I agree, Rizwan should not be compared with Pakistan ODI legends like Yousuf and Inzimam. He has not done any substantial in this format to be compared with pak ATGs.
However, Babar has surpassed almost all the three batsmen considering his record so far. No one had 15 centuries after 80 odd ODIs under their belt.
Also yousuf and Inzi averaged 41 and 39 respectively at the end of their career, even if Babar retires with an avg of 46+ he would be considered ATG for Pakistan in ODIs.
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I’m sorry but you can’t compare players just by doing stats , especially for different eras. Younis khan was never considered a great odi player. But to compare Rizwan and Imam to Yousuf and Inzi I’m sorry is just ridiculous. Babar Azam one could argue has not reached inzi level yet when you consider the amount of games he won for us and what he did for us in 92.
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Younis Khan is one of the worst ODI players ever. He only played that long purely due to reputation and ego tactics (like threatening to retire from tests).
His record is awufl as it is and was even worse when looking at World Cups ( averaging 20s) and top teams.
Forget about Babar, Mohammad Hafeez easily surpassed Younis Khan in ODIs.
The most undeserving player to play 200+ games
His record is awufl as it is and was even worse when looking at World Cups ( averaging 20s) and top teams.
Forget about Babar, Mohammad Hafeez easily surpassed Younis Khan in ODIs.
The most undeserving player to play 200+ games
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There are dozens of cricketers better than Rizwan in ODI yet his fans want us to believe Rizwan has superseded Pakistan ODI greats.
Rizwan hasn’t superseded Kamran Akmal and Sarfaraz Ahmed yet in ODI
Even Moin Khan would probably claim to have had more impact in the ODI side of his era than Rizwan has right now.
Rizwan hasn’t superseded Kamran Akmal and Sarfaraz Ahmed yet in ODI
Even Moin Khan would probably claim to have had more impact in the ODI side of his era than Rizwan has right now.
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Different era So cant compare The pitches batting conditions are a lot easier now then yesteryear
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Moyo and Inzy played some amazing games for us. Babar has not passed them at all.
Imam and Rizwan - you have to be kidding
Imam and Rizwan - you have to be kidding
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Big fan of Rizwan and even Imam but i think Babar is the only one that currently comes close to the likes of Inzi, MoYo and MYK.
Imam is on his way and if he carries on his form he can be considered inthe conversation, Rizwan has a long way to go, looks very shaky in ODI so far and hasnt been able to transform his t20 or even test form to the 50 over game.
Imam is on his way and if he carries on his form he can be considered inthe conversation, Rizwan has a long way to go, looks very shaky in ODI so far and hasnt been able to transform his t20 or even test form to the 50 over game.
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9 centuries in 48 games is phenomenal
I hope Imam sets a record for Pakistan by the end of his career. He is our century machine!
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All of them surpassed Younis, that's for sure!
No one above Inzi yet, but I'm certain Babar will go down as Pakistan's greatest ODI batsman.
No one above Inzi yet, but I'm certain Babar will go down as Pakistan's greatest ODI batsman.
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I don’t think people have actually watched YK bat in ODI cricket. His stats are unconvincing but he wasn’t as poor as people are making him out to be.
Still a far superior ODI batsman than Rizwan and Imam as of now. YK played some clutch innings throughout his career
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Was just going to say myself using Younis "useless" khan in ODIs as a yardstick is comical. uve summed perfectly how bad he was.
Bowling in this era is not as good as in previous era, also with two balls and more power plays, heavier bats, smaller boundaries etc etc, itis easier for batsmen. So it is pointless to compare thebatsmen. Skill wise Saeed Anwar and Inzimam were betterbatsmen than Babar, but Babar will achieve a lot more. Mohd Yusuf was also g
Rizwan has been poor if this was imaam he would have been discarded ages ago.
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In this modern era in which an average of 40 and a strike rate of 90 is par….
Rizwan has been horrendous
I agree he has been horrendous.
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can't just compare stats from different eras, odi rules have changed, all top level batsman have ODI averages in 50s, Babar should be judged by the end of his career compared to Inzi who as much as I disliked as a captain and selector played way too many match winning innings
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Inzy's 39 would probably be 51 in Babar's era and Yousuf 41 will be 53-54. Inzy played longer and was rated a clutch player and finisher. If Babar retires with an average of 46+, it would be nothing special. That's basically Dhawan and Faf level performance. He should be having an average of 50 (which he has) in this era.
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Younis Khan is objectively one of the worst ODI batsman of all time, why is he even on this list?
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What?
The guy is the worst pure batsman to have played ODI's!!
He should have been kicked out of the team after 50 games.
I don't know what clutch innings he played.
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His hundred against England in the 2006 series at Rose Bowl was sublime chasing 270
He has also scored a 117 (110) balls against India whilst chasing 322
I also remember how him and Misbah put on a good partnership against Sri Lanka in the World Cup 2011 (in Sri Lanka) during a crucial group game.
There was a point where Younis Khan should have kicked on and taken over as Pakistan’s premier batsman after Inzimam and Yousuf retired but I think he let himself down. There was nothing wrong in his ability, his strike rate was the same as Inzimam and Yousuf, plus he shielded them for most part but by batting at 3.
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Inzi > the three combined, and not just physically. Inzi would have absolutely smacked this b grade bowling attack in every game. Those who watched him in his peak years would know what I’m saying.
Only Barbar comes close to Inzi. I would say Barbar has already surpassed Yousuf. Younus isn’t even in the picture when it comes to ODI cricket and both Imam and Rizwaan are light years ahead of Younus as an ODI batsman.
Inzi was the biggest match winner going in the 90s and 2000s. He just was someone who could win you a game by himself with virtually no help from any of his teammates. Barbar does that too.
Imam is doing well no doubt but he’s far from the level of Inzi. Imam can help you massively in winning a game, but Imam will rarely win the game by himself.
Rizwan has had a poor series so far but I rate him as a sensationally good batsman. He, like Barbar, is a match winner. He could end his career surpassing Yousuf (he’s certainly not there yet). Surpassing Inzi will be a stretch for Rizwan but he could do it. I don’t think Imam will reach that level but Imam is showing himself to be an outstanding player in his own right.
Inzi was the biggest match winner going in the 90s and 2000s. He just was someone who could win you a game by himself with virtually no help from any of his teammates. Barbar does that too.
Imam is doing well no doubt but he’s far from the level of Inzi. Imam can help you massively in winning a game, but Imam will rarely win the game by himself.
Rizwan has had a poor series so far but I rate him as a sensationally good batsman. He, like Barbar, is a match winner. He could end his career surpassing Yousuf (he’s certainly not there yet). Surpassing Inzi will be a stretch for Rizwan but he could do it. I don’t think Imam will reach that level but Imam is showing himself to be an outstanding player in his own right.
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If Babar can win a World Cup, he will surpass them.
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Babar and Imam Yes Rizwan No
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Imam is comparable to Butt.
Babar is Umar Akmal with consistency, I still believe UA is most talented batsman Pakistan produced after Inzi and Anwar, though MoYo and Younus are statistically superior.
Rizwan is a nobody in ODIs, but he is still miles better than Sarfaraz.
Babar is Umar Akmal with consistency, I still believe UA is most talented batsman Pakistan produced after Inzi and Anwar, though MoYo and Younus are statistically superior.
Rizwan is a nobody in ODIs, but he is still miles better than Sarfaraz.
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I agree with this assessment.Babar is better than Umar Akmal he has already achieved so much but Umar Akmal is the most talented Pakistani batsman i have ever seen.
Yeah for sure rizwan is much better than sarfraz one of the most useless player ever.
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How is Rizwan light years ahead of Younis Khan in ODI? He doesn’t even have a better average than him in an era of over inflated statistics, but according to you he is light years ahead of Younis.
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Different era, if likes of Anwar, inzi batted now in an era where is batsmen favoured they would have probably twice as many 100s.
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You could only pick out 2 or 3 memorable knocks from 250+ games - absolutely ridiculous!
No he did not used to see off the new ball, that is hot garbage.
The only credit he can in ODI's is scoring runs against Ind and that is it.
The rest of his career is trash and he is easily one of the worst, if not the worst to play ODI's.
Can't really compare Imam to middle order batsmen, while Rizwan isn't a proven ODI batsman yet and should be compared to other WK batsmen not specialists.
Apart from a purple patch around 2004-08, Younis unfortunately never got going in ODIs. Perhaps it was due to often being a jittery starter which wasn't such an issue in Tests as he'd always have time to recover.
Except against West Indies, Yousuf averaged below 40 against every other top team. For all his elegance, he was unreliable under pressure.
Inzamam remains the pick of the bunch. Since Javed Miandad, there hasn't been a better Pakistani batsman in terms of calculating a runchase and working out which bowlers to target or defend.
Overall both Yousuf and Inzamam underachieved due to poor fitness, sometimes comical running between the wickets, and a reluctance to bat higher up the order.
Babar has the potential to surpass all of them. He's a fantastic accumulator but his biggest flaw is not adjusting his tempo to the match situation. There are several examples - 100 (109) when chasing 370 vs Australia (2017); 51 (52) chasing 374 vs England (2019); 115 (112) to help PAK make a below par 340 vs England in a very high scoring series (2019); and the 1st ODI vs Australia in this series.
While his overall stats look terrific, those were all match losing innings. He needs to apply his aggressive approach in the 2nd ODI chase more consistently.
Apart from a purple patch around 2004-08, Younis unfortunately never got going in ODIs. Perhaps it was due to often being a jittery starter which wasn't such an issue in Tests as he'd always have time to recover.
Except against West Indies, Yousuf averaged below 40 against every other top team. For all his elegance, he was unreliable under pressure.
Inzamam remains the pick of the bunch. Since Javed Miandad, there hasn't been a better Pakistani batsman in terms of calculating a runchase and working out which bowlers to target or defend.
Overall both Yousuf and Inzamam underachieved due to poor fitness, sometimes comical running between the wickets, and a reluctance to bat higher up the order.
Babar has the potential to surpass all of them. He's a fantastic accumulator but his biggest flaw is not adjusting his tempo to the match situation. There are several examples - 100 (109) when chasing 370 vs Australia (2017); 51 (52) chasing 374 vs England (2019); 115 (112) to help PAK make a below par 340 vs England in a very high scoring series (2019); and the 1st ODI vs Australia in this series.
While his overall stats look terrific, those were all match losing innings. He needs to apply his aggressive approach in the 2nd ODI chase more consistently.
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Nothing
He doesn’t have to do anything to be considered light years ahead of Younis Khan apparently
No idea why Younis is even being brought up. One of the worst ODI players in Pakistani history to play as many games as he did. Rizwan has been mostly awful in ODI's as well.
Yousuf and Inzi fitness was so incredibly poor. Seemed like they needed a pinch runner every other game. They should have produced even better than what they did to be honest, especially Yousuf who arguably is the most aesthetically pleasing batsmen to watch all time.
Imam still has ways to go I think but Babar is on his way to go down as the best ODI batsmen in Pakistan history.
Yousuf and Inzi fitness was so incredibly poor. Seemed like they needed a pinch runner every other game. They should have produced even better than what they did to be honest, especially Yousuf who arguably is the most aesthetically pleasing batsmen to watch all time.
Imam still has ways to go I think but Babar is on his way to go down as the best ODI batsmen in Pakistan history.
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Babar about to reach his 16th ODI century, only Saeed Anwar (20) has more.
MoYo: 15
Inzamam: 10
Younis: 7
Imam himself also has 9 centuries.
MoYo: 15
Inzamam: 10
Younis: 7
Imam himself also has 9 centuries.
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I do not think so.
Quality of attack Inzamam/Yousuf/Younis faced is much higher than what Babar/Imam/Rizwan faced.
Inzamam had to face guys like Ambrose, Walsh, Donald etc. ODI cricket was also not very batting friendly then.
Quality of attack Inzamam/Yousuf/Younis faced is much higher than what Babar/Imam/Rizwan faced.
Inzamam had to face guys like Ambrose, Walsh, Donald etc. ODI cricket was also not very batting friendly then.
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Exactly
Younis Khan played the majority of his career under the 1 ball rule. He would be a 40 average batsman in this era for sure
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Babar defo looks ahead of any our ex batsman
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Surely imam going to surpass his uncle in terms of centuries but sadly he would still never get the same recognition as him because he is a forever parchi player.
Pathetic our fans really are , he is among the top 5 best ODIs players Pak has produced in last 50 years
Pathetic our fans really are , he is among the top 5 best ODIs players Pak has produced in last 50 years
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Ofcourse he wont get the same recognition because he doesn't compare to Inzimam at all! You haven't watched enough cricket if you think he is a top 5 ODI player for Pakistan already. Most of his runs are soft runs at a low strike rate. Even the knock in the third ODI was when chasing down 200. He is not a pressure player like Inzimam was who is also a world cup winner.
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What’s Imam’s average + sr vs top 4 (excluding Australia since all games apart from 1 are against their C team).
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Can the OP explain how Rizwan is a better ODI batsman than the following:
Javed Miandad
Zaheer Abbas
Saleem Malik
Ijaz Ahmed
Saeed Anwar
Aamer Sohail
Harris Sohail
Fakhar Zaman
Shoaib Malik
Mohammad Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Misbah ul Haq
Salman Butt
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
There are some names for OP to have a go at but I’ll be happy to provide him with a reality check on those names too.
Otherwise, what was the OP thinking when naming Rizwan as supposedly someone who has overtaken Pakistan ODI legends?
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Babar has a chance to get to 40 OD centuries.
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I would still pick M.Rizwan over Younis Khan in ODis any day of the week.
Australia - 87
England - 84
India - 42
New Zealand - 59
South Africa - 80
Sri Lanka - 76
West Indies - 18
Only one match against the Windies a large percentage of matches would be on flat wickets where 300 plus is par sometimes 350 plus.
The recent series was a reserve Australia attack SA England have fielded weakened attacks its harder to know the performance level of batsmen due to the best teams resting players.
Those above are strike rates only the new era ODIs of flat wickets make batsmen look better than they actually are take for example Jonny Bairstow remarkable looking record in ODIs strike rate of 105 average near 50 but a test average of only 34.
Younis wasn’t a good ODI batsman but he is still better than Rizwan, who doesn’t even average 30 in this batsman friendly era.
Iman has only surpassed YK, but he hasn’t yet surpassed Inzi and Yousuf. Besides, it is unfair to compare an opener with middle order batsmen.
Babar has surpassed YK and Yousuf but I would still say he is just below Inzi, but will eventually surpass him.
Iman has only surpassed YK, but he hasn’t yet surpassed Inzi and Yousuf. Besides, it is unfair to compare an opener with middle order batsmen.
Babar has surpassed YK and Yousuf but I would still say he is just below Inzi, but will eventually surpass him.
mohammad rizwan has not done much in ODI cricket...
imam is working his way up there.
i would say babar is now only a close third to miandad and inzamam...only because he has already played pressure cooker knocks compared to mohammad yousuf who always failed under pressure...younis is not known as an ODI player.
babar needs to do well in tests to be considered a legend compared to miandad, inzi, YOYO and even misbah
babar needs to keep it up and perform well and do well in next years world cup in india...if he manages to build a team and actually win the cup in india, no one would even dare question his calibre.
he has done well in building a team. he needs to fix two things:
1) a reliable leg spinner for india and back up to shadab
2) a strong # 6 and # 7 ...shadab will be #7, but # 6 will be either asif or khushdil depending on the situation.
i think they should stop messing around with top 5. they should keep imam, fakhar, babar, rizwan and iftikhar as first choice, and saud, abdullah and haider ali as back ups.
3) For bowlers # 8-11, shaheen and rauf pick themselves. third seamer in my book would be wasim jr. thats your 9, 10, 11. If they pick between a spinner, or dahani, or hasan ali, then wasim jr is # 8
# 8 is open for another seamer. I would give dahani a chance also - he's a very smart bowler.
imam is working his way up there.
i would say babar is now only a close third to miandad and inzamam...only because he has already played pressure cooker knocks compared to mohammad yousuf who always failed under pressure...younis is not known as an ODI player.
babar needs to do well in tests to be considered a legend compared to miandad, inzi, YOYO and even misbah
babar needs to keep it up and perform well and do well in next years world cup in india...if he manages to build a team and actually win the cup in india, no one would even dare question his calibre.
he has done well in building a team. he needs to fix two things:
1) a reliable leg spinner for india and back up to shadab
2) a strong # 6 and # 7 ...shadab will be #7, but # 6 will be either asif or khushdil depending on the situation.
i think they should stop messing around with top 5. they should keep imam, fakhar, babar, rizwan and iftikhar as first choice, and saud, abdullah and haider ali as back ups.
3) For bowlers # 8-11, shaheen and rauf pick themselves. third seamer in my book would be wasim jr. thats your 9, 10, 11. If they pick between a spinner, or dahani, or hasan ali, then wasim jr is # 8
# 8 is open for another seamer. I would give dahani a chance also - he's a very smart bowler.
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And people are comparing him to the likes of Inzi and Moyo.
It’s like calling Rashid Khan the GOAT spinner even though he’s played most of his games against minnows.
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Based on what? Kindly explain
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Pakistan fans are crazy to another level bruv
Rizwan surpassed Mohammad Yousuf…
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Rizwan surpassed Mohammad Yousuf…
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Babar will. Others haven’t.
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Top 10 Pakistan ODI batsmen:-
1. Zaheer Abbas
2. Inzamam ul haq
3. Saeed Anwar
4. Babar Azam
5. Javed Miandad
6. Mohammad Yousuf
7. Saleem Malik
8. Ijaz Ahmed
9. Fakhar Zaman
10. Misbah ul Haq
I might have missed one or two but not sure.
1. Zaheer Abbas
2. Inzamam ul haq
3. Saeed Anwar
4. Babar Azam
5. Javed Miandad
6. Mohammad Yousuf
7. Saleem Malik
8. Ijaz Ahmed
9. Fakhar Zaman
10. Misbah ul Haq
I might have missed one or two but not sure.
Decent list apart from Misbah who should be nowhere near the top 10.
Top 3 are interchangeable depending on what you value.
I’d put Salim Malik at 4 for his exploits in winning the Nehru cup, Miandad stays at 5 for the same reason for the 92 World Cup, Fakhar also at 6 for CT 17.
Moyo at 7 and Ijaz moves up one.
Afridi at 9 - he redefined how the game is played, Razzi at 10, shoaib Malik at 11
Babar probably would slot in somewhere at around 12-15
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