Have England been exposed outside of England?

[Big Mac]

As the final test in India draws to a close, England have been outclassed yet again once they left their comfort zone of England and Dukes balls.

They have won just one away series out of their last seven.

They have won just 7 out of 35 away tests in the last five years.

Their much vaunted deep batting lineup has, in the last five years averaged 30.14 runs per wicket at 2.93 RPO away from home. Only South Africa score slower (2.92, virtually no difference) and England's runs per wicket figure exceeds only that of Windies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Their bowlers struggle to take wickets without Dukes balls and their flawed batting techniques are exposed once they pass through customs.

All of which begs one important question...



Is playing in England harming English cricket?

 

[Aman]

England aren't even good in England.

They drew to us and Pakistan, they are easily the most overrated team in world cricket for mine.

 

[Ab Fan]

They weren't great in England either.

The myth that they are the most competitive team in Asian conditions has been broken.

India, Pakistan and Australia are better at home conditions than England.

England have got 0-2 in UAE, 0-5 in Australia and 0-4 in India now.

They have failed to beat Kiwis at home. SC teams are far more competitive in England than in Aus/SA.

Clearly, India are best team in the world without any doubt although that isn't something to be really proud off until we beat a strong team away from home.

 

[Boi]

Really overrated side. Definitively not better than Pakistan as some would like us to believe. These weren't even rank turners and they have been absolutely smashed

 

[Varun]

Can't even win in Bangladesh...

 

[Ab Fan]

India> Pak> SA..

That's the ranking to me on a fair note.Saffers have won series in SL and drew in UAE last time.So, they are the best non-Asian side going around.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I thought they were exposed a decade ago in 2006

The irony is, for all the importance Test cricket is given in England, since mid 2015, they have been a much much better limited over side.

 

[JaDed]

Two defeats by an innings eventhough posting 400 in the first innings,this has to be one of the most poor performance by a visiting team.

 

[Bilal7]

I just realized that yet another English captain (Cook) could be sacked after losing a series against South Africa. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

 

[EliteCynical]

Like the satire in the OP. I remember reading "Pak in UAE harming Pak cricket" thread somewhere.

Every sentence that Cook said in presentation were accompanied by "at home" and/or "in these conditions". I wonder why people think scoring runs on green seaming/bouncy tracks is know all and end all of a batsman. I think it requires great skill to play a quality spinner in sub continent, but I guess Ashes is more important!

 

[Robert]

I just realized that yet another English captain (Cook) could be sacked after losing a series against South Africa. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Root will be skipper when SA arrive.

A few chickens came home to roost in the last few years. In 2013/4 Strauss, Trott, KP, Swann, Monty and Prior all finished at the same time due to retirement, illness or lack of favour - any of them would walk into the current team and that loss of skill has not been replaced. Good quality replacements have been slow to come through as the County game is not set up to produce long-innings batters and spin bowlers any more. The wickets are homogenously low and slow. There used to be green mambas, fliers and bunsens in a season and batsmen learned to bat on them all. Now their inheritors have no clue how to bat for a long time on anything that is not low and slow and perhaps a moderate seamer, or how to bat for a draw.

Anderson and Broad papered over some of these cracks for a while but they are now at a stage where the numerous overs they have bowled are causing niggling injuries and neither looks likely to play a full series. Their successors are not stepping up - Finn has gone backwards and Wood seems to be made of glass.

Cook probably went on a year too long as skipper. He looks jaded and should reliquish the captaincy so he can get back to making daddy hundreds, setting up wins and saving games.

On a positive note, England have a very good ODI team now!

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Like Sir Jimmy said, all of England's weaknesses and technical flaws are in play in India.

 

[Chrish]

Don't think Root has personality of a captain.. might have a same impact as Williamson

 

[KhalidRafi]

I always expected this. Their spin department is probably one of the worst in world cricket. And without quality spinners you simply cannot succeed in Asia. Their batting isn't as good as it was the last time they toured India either. Would only consider three of their batsmen (Cook, Root, Bairstow) as world-class, rest are all mediocre or just okay.

 

[Buffet]

Eng will show India how cricket is played when Indians visit Eng next time.

 

[Lefthanded]

On paper, this XI next summer [barring/return from injuries] is hard to imagine as a beatable one.

Cook, Haseeb, Jennings, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Ball/Wood.

I think it might be Cook's captaincy that's getting in the way of them not performing how they should be able to.

 

[Buffet]

Bowling has been pathetic from Eng. Look at the some of the bowling averages,

• Stokes - 44
• Anderson - 53
• Woakes - 81
• Ali - 64
• Ball - 140
• Ansari - 54

Only Broad and Rashid bowled well. Packing the entire side with all rounders and few keepers didn't work well here. Same team will do reasonably well in different conditions.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They also lost a test against bangladesh. They were lucky that was not a 3 match series otherwise even bangladesh would have beaten them.

What are the current rankings now? I am sure Pakistan will be in top 3 now?

 

[KhalidRafi]

They also lost a test against bangladesh. They were lucky that was not a 3 match series otherwise even bangladesh would have beaten them.

What are the current rankings now? I am sure Pakistan will be in top 3 now?

Pakistan are No. 3. England are just one point behind though.
Would have expected them to lose more points considering they've won only 2 tests out of their last 10, and one of those was against Bangladesh.

 

[shaz619]

England aren't even good in England.

They drew to us and Pakistan, they are easily the most overrated team in world cricket for mine.

NZ are just plain garbage, I'd back warwickshire bears 2nd XI to beat them in England that's how god awful they were. It wasn't necessarily that England were bad, it's just that Pakistan were far far superior. NZ are generally a garbage team so when they do get beat it's just business as usual and when they win once in a blue moon no one really cares I don't think there's a single international cricketer who is even motivated to play a team of NZ's calibre, India are second unless it's a flat pitch and Kohli is having a golden run of Motorway Kinging

 

[The_Odd_One]

No, only Pakistan can be exposed outside Asia. No matter, how many times England lose, they are still the most competitive touring team.

 

[Chrish]

They won in SA didn't they?

 

[Chrish]

And iirc this is the record of team scoring that big in 1st inning and still loosing

God this has been the best year of Cricket.. So many crackers!

 

[Aman]

And iirc this is the record of team scoring that big in 1st inning and still loosing

God this has been the best year of Cricket.. So many crackers!

Are you serious? I can't recall too many good games at all... more bad games than good ones because of the mediocrity of touring teams...

 

[PakLFC]

England always struggle in the subcontinent. They didn't have a prayer against India.

 

[msb314]

I see several fans are gloating how we are better than England based on our head to head victories over them recently - despite the fact that we were thrashed by NZ recently and are on a 4-0 losing streak in Tests.

We are also a mediocre team with only India being a great Test team right now. They are still suspect in foreign conditions but their brute dominance at home more than makes up for it.

 

[Buffet]

I see several fans are gloating how we are better than England based on our head to head victories over them recently - despite the fact that we were thrashed by NZ recently and are on a 4-0 losing streak in Tests.

We are also a mediocre team with only India being a great Test team right now. They are still suspect in foreign conditions but their brute dominance at home more than makes up for it.

I won't called Indians great test team right now. They are better than others due to dominating so big at home for sure. Credit is due on that, but to be called great test team, they have to perform consistently well when playing away. Let's see how they do in coming years.

 

[msb314]

I won't called Indians great test team right now. They are better than others due to dominating so big at home for sure. Credit is due on that, but to be called great test team, they have to perform consistently well when playing away. Let's see how they do in coming years.

Yeah you are probably right - under Kohli however I think they will do much better during their away tours.

They in a rich vein of form and enjoying one of their best runs in Test cricket which is amazing to see - that too with a young team!

 

[Buffet]

Yeah you are probably right - under Kohli however I think they will do much better during their away tours.

They in a rich vein of form and enjoying one of their best runs in Test cricket which is amazing to see - that too with a young team!

They are young, but some of them got baptism by fire. They played non-stop away tours in start of their careers and I think all of them will do better as team in their next round of away tours. It's hard to win if you have an inexperienced team and they were all new except Dhoni in their last round of away tours. They are having a very good run, because even at home it's hard to win like this. So credit is due on that.

 

[transitional]

As written in another thread, their selection is confused.

Pick 5 BEST batsmen
Pick Stokes
Pick keeper batsman
Pick 4 BEST bowlers

Picking two skilled players like Moeen, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Ansari, Dawson is doing more harm than good.

Apart from Stokes, everyone's role should be looked at carefully.

Aussies quickly realized that middling skills offered by the likes of Mitchell Marsh do not cut it in test cricket.

 

[Buffet]

As written in another thread, their selection is confused.

Pick 5 BEST batsmen
Pick Stokes
Pick keeper batsman
Pick 4 BEST bowlers

Picking two skilled players like Moeen, Bairstow, Stokes, Woakes, Ansari, Dawson is doing more harm than good.

Apart from Stokes, everyone's role should be looked at carefully.

Aussies quickly realized that middling skills offered by the likes of Mitchell Marsh do not cut it in test cricket.

Eng wants to pick bowlers, specially if they are spinners, who can bat a bit. Likes of Anderson can get a pass on that, but for spinners, they get picked based on their batting. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine that Ali was the sole spinner for Eng for a while.

 

[msb314]

They are young, but some of them got baptism by fire. They played non-stop away tours in start of their careers and I think all of them will do better as team in their next round of away tours. It's hard to win if you have an inexperienced team and they were all new except Dhoni in their last round of away tours. They are having a very good run, because even at home it's hard to win like this. So credit is due on that.

Karun Nair, Parthiv Patel and KL Rahul have not toured abroad yet. Kohli, Vijay will probably do better in England than they did last time.

Their biggest question will be whether Jadeja/Ashwin can be effective abroad?

 

[Buffet]

Karun Nair, Parthiv Patel and KL Rahul have not toured abroad yet. Kohli, Vijay will probably do better in England than they did last time.

Their biggest question will be whether Jadeja/Ashwin can be effective abroad?

Rahul scored a ton in Aus ?? Spinners can mostly play support role unless you get dry pitches in Eng. So it will depend on pacers and I don't think they have it covered. Having said that pacers should also do better in their second go.

 

[Varun]

Karun Nair, Parthiv Patel and KL Rahul have not toured abroad yet. Kohli, Vijay will probably do better in England than they did last time.

Their biggest question will be whether Jadeja/Ashwin can be effective abroad?

KL Rahul debuted in Australia and scored a ton at the SCG. Parthiv Patel also toured Australia and England, back in 2002 and 2003/4. He has also played in Pakistan and West Indies I believe.

 

[Chrish]

Disappointed with the reaction Cook is getting though nothing unexpected or unfair really

 

[Robert]

Eng wants to pick bowlers, specially if they are spinners, who can bat a bit. Likes of Anderson can get a pass on that, but for spinners, they get picked based on their batting. Otherwise, it's hard to imagine that Ali was the sole spinner for Eng for a while.

There are no spinning specialists available who are any better.

 

[Buffet]

There are no spinning specialists available who are any better.

Then Eng should do something about it. It's tragic to see the likes of Ali being the main spinner for Eng. It looks like at grass-root level spinners don't get any encouragement.

 

[Robert]

Then Eng should do something about it. It's tragic to see the likes of Ali being the main spinner for Eng. It looks like at grass-root level spinners don't get any encouragement.

I agree but it is due to the County schedule. Spinners are hardly getting on to bowl. Traditionally they did a containing job in the spring and came into their own in July-August as the pitches dried out. But now the T20 stuff is played in high summer, so their role is to get through four overs without being collared, and belt a few boundaries down the order. Then they go into a test on a turner against batters who can move their feet and get cut and driven to bits all day.

 

[Varun]

I agree but it is due to the County schedule. Spinners are hardly getting on to bowl. Traditionally they did a containing job in the spring and came into their own in July-August as the pitches dried out. But now the T20 stuff is played in high summer, so their role is to get through four overs without being collared, and belt a few boundaries down the order. Then they go into a test on a turner against batters who can move their feet and get cut and driven to bits all day.

How did England produce Graeme Swann? Or was he an outlier and more an exception than the rule?

 

[Buffet]

I agree but it is due to the County schedule. Spinners are hardly getting on to bowl. Traditionally they did a containing job in the spring and came into their own in July-August as the pitches dried out. But now the T20 stuff is played in high summer, so their role is to get through four overs without being collared, and belt a few boundaries down the order. Then they go into a test on a turner against batters who can move their feet and get cut and driven to bits all day.

Not sure what can be done, but given enough encouragement , I am sure that better spinners than Ali can play for Eng.

 

[Hasan123]

An ovverated test side. Obsessed with batting depth, should concentrate on playing speclist batsmen and speclist spin bowlers.

 

[Markhor]

What also must be asked in addition to concerns about the team balance is why for all of the ECB wealth and resources is there:

A) No full time spin bowling coach
B) No fielding coach

It seemed Moeen and Rashid benefited from Saqlain. And the fielding has been poor for some time, England have been punished dearly for dropped catches on this tour. In the Pakistan series they dropped more catches than us !

 

[Markhor]

Then Eng should do something about it. It's tragic to see the likes of Ali being the main spinner for Eng. It looks like at grass-root level spinners don't get any encouragement.

People must understand the mindset here. Captains in County just don't use spinners in an attacking role ! Their purpose is to give the seamers a rest and speed up the over rate. They'll get a few overs before lunch and tea and maybe some more before the second new ball and that's their lot.

No wonder Cook doesn't know how to use his spinners and set a field for them.

ECB have tried to address this by scrapping the toss in the County Championship which has helped spinners somewhat as it means counties aren't as likely to roll out greentops, win the toss and send the oppo in so they can be rolled over by their military mediums. More focus is needed at grassroots level towards developing spinners.

 

[The_Odd_One]

They have been exposed everywhere. Should stick to playing ODIs on belters.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

They have the worst away record in terms of W/L ration since 2011 for a reason.

 

[giri26]

well England should have been expected to bat well in these conditions. Them being bowled out for 58 says a lot about their batting overall.

 

[Sin Nombre]

They have won 6 and lost 18 tests away, including in BD and WI, in the last few years as per the comms.

That coupled with an unconvincing record at home, and I am surprised people still call England good at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Well, they have always been. Never won/draw in Pakistan(UAE) either in a long time and NZ have always been competitive against them home and away alongwith some fluke losses to SL and WI.

In comparison, SA have dominated teams at home, Pakistan and NZ everywhere and dont lose to SC teams/WI at home even if they are at weakest.

Australia have also won a lot in SA and NZ and remain competitive in England and dont lose to Asian teams at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Their performance in odis have improved vastly but unfortunately it is resulting in decline in tests. This is where Aus, SA and India are clearly a level ahead of them.

 

[Amjid Javed]

ECB should only send the team for ODI/T20 tours during the winter or if they are to still play away tests it should be reduced to 2 match series.

 

[Bilal7]

'ATG' Cook, 'ATG' Root and the future legend that is Ben Stokes were absolutely amazing today. 500 runs between them.











Or was that 5.00 runs between them?

 

[Bilal7]

Their performance in odis have improved vastly but unfortunately it is resulting in decline in tests. This is where Aus, SA and India are clearly a level ahead of them.

India? I don't think so. The next test series between them will clarify where each team stands. Let's not forget that England won their last series in South Africa while India got crushed as usual.

 

[AMSS]

India? I don't think so. The next test series between them will clarify where each team stands. Let's not forget that England won their last series in South Africa while India got crushed as usual.

Number 1 team for two years running.

 

[barah_admi]

This England side is nowhere near as good as the sides that won everything at home, won the ashes down under and then beat India in India.

But, on their day, with their players firing, they can still win more tough away series than Asian sides. Its not too long ago that they won in sa, apart from Australia who can do that?

 

[Send1983]

India? I don't think so. The next test series between them will clarify where each team stands. Let's not forget that England won their last series in South Africa while India got crushed as usual.

India is way better than them. Check the records for the last 3 yrs. don’t come up with excuse that most of the wins are at home. No team is winning away from home these days. If India is not real no 1 tell me who is no 1.

 

[Ab Fan]

India? I don't think so. The next test series between them will clarify where each team stands. Let's not forget that England won their last series in South Africa while India got crushed as usual.

India are miles ahead of England. England lose to WI at home.

I cant even imagine India losing to WI at home. They will thrash England in England in some months IMO. Missed out against SA due to AB's masterclass.

 

[Bilal7]

Number 1 team for two years running.

Due to their extended home season. Let's see if they can keep their #1 title by the end of the year.

India is way better than them. Check the records for the last 3 yrs. don’t come up with excuse that most of the wins are at home. No team is winning away from home these days. If India is not real no 1 tell me who is no 1.

South Africa is the clear #1 team. Australia are second.

India are miles ahead of England. England lose to WI at home.

I cant even imagine India losing to WI at home. They will thrash England in England in some months IMO. Missed out against SA due to AB's masterclass.

And I can't imagine India ever winning in South Africa even with 12 players on the field. India is very strong at home but pretty awful overseas. England is more balanced and even then, they have a pretty strong record at home.

Thrash England in England? Lol, let's see. Easy to say with the series so far away but history and the skill of players involved says that England will win yet again. Who is going to take the English wickets?

 

[MMHS]

Exposed - you mean, they were hiding something that wasn't known!!!!!!

0-4 in IND, 0-4 in AUS, 58 in NZ ... 1-1 in BD & WIN and I can tell that it'll be 0-3 in SRL against Herath, Dilruhan, Sandakan & Akila On top of it, that heroic bowling on Day 3 WACA and batting on last day at Chennai .................................. it's called expose??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long are the Poms going to float on that 2-1 in SAF?

 

[Crickli]

But but it's the most versatile team and has deep batting line up.

 

[shaz619]

Cut their contract retainer by 80% then watch how they dramatically improve

 

[ads101]

They don't have the talent atm. You have Cook, Root, Bairstow, Anderson, Broad. These are all good. The rest, not good enough. No good spinner, batting is pretty poor. And Bairstow in tests has been a bit underwhelming of late. Stokes is a decent allrounder, but he's not good enough really with the bat or ball to make it alone (or at least compared to other countries). Would be a much better fit in a stronger batting line up which can afford to play him more.

The new talent that seems to be coming into the team looks pretty poor, and that's worrying for England's future.

 

[Abid Z]

But but it's the most versatile team and has deep batting line up.

This is only a valid point in ODI’s and T20. England are a fantastic team in limited over cricket but they just lack the temperament to play long innings for tests. Coupled with the fact that we don’t face much swing and seam movement in mid summer as the pitches have altered due to drainage facilities and done notable retirements recently.

In tests they should actually be ranked lower but owing to bad weather when many tests they are losing turn out to be draws helps them certainly but I don’t have any statistics to back up how many tests they should be winning end in draws due to weather.

All in all a team in transition with a very stupid coach.

 

[James]

ECB seems to have “bet it all on red” and is going for a World Cup win at home in 2019 - if this happens at last then the game will enjoy a mini-revival in England and everything else will be forgiven and forgotten about - but if we tank in the knockout stages as usual then the locker will look embarrassingly empty.

 

[shokz1408]

ECB seems to have “bet it all on red” and is going for a World Cup win at home in 2019 - if this happens at last then the game will enjoy a mini-revival in England and everything else will be forgiven and forgotten about - but if we tank in the knockout stages as usual then the locker will look embarrassingly empty.

In the WC 2019 format, from what I have read there will be 10 teams in a single group. Top 4 go through to semis, and I don't see England making that cut. I reckon Pakistan, India, New Zealand and Australia.

 

[Big Mac]

In the WC 2019 format, from what I have read there will be 10 teams in a single group. Top 4 go through to semis, and I don't see England making that cut. I reckon Pakistan, India, New Zealand and Australia.

The ICC were so shook when Pakistan and India got knocked out by Bangladesh and Ireland that they have spent the next decade coming up with stupider and stupider formats.

A 10 team cricket World Cup will have 48 matches, while the FIFA World Cup with 32 teams has just 64 matches.

 

[Ab Fan]

Due to their extended home season. Let's see if they can keep their #1 title by the end of the year.



South Africa is the clear #1 team. Australia are second.



And I can't imagine India ever winning in South Africa even with 12 players on the field. India is very strong at home but pretty awful overseas. England is more balanced and even then, they have a pretty strong record at home.

Thrash England in England? Lol, let's see. Easy to say with the series so far away but history and the skill of players involved says that England will win yet again. Who is going to take the English wickets?

You have to understand that Saffers conditions are similar to England and hence matches between these two teams home/away will always be competitive.

For India, SA conditions are different ball game. No Asian team has ever managed to win a series there.

However, England have been very poor away and at home have been just good. They lost 0-4 to India, 0-4 to Australia, 0-2 to you guys, 0-1 to SL and drew 1-1 to Bangladesh. They have failed to beat even NZ home or away. Even WI tonk them quite a few times in their backyard.

Can you think of any side who would get tonked this badly at home? They have done well only against SA but hammered everywhere(Asia or outside Asia).

Indian team hammered every single opposition at home,SL, BD, WI and were competitive in SA and I have no doubt they will do well in England this time.

As for English wickets lol, India have a very good bowling attack now and England batting is pretty mediocre(bar Root).

England are currently lying alongside NZ in second tier and should not be compared with a strong team like India.

 

[shokz1408]

The ICC were so shook when Pakistan and India got knocked out by Bangladesh and Ireland that they have spent the next decade coming up with stupider and stupider formats.

A 10 team cricket World Cup will have 48 matches, while the FIFA World Cup with 32 teams has just 64 matches.

Apparently it's the same format as 92 world cup. I prefer this format so everyone plays eachother, and there's no easy groups. It would mean that truly the best 4 teams of the tournament go through.

 

[CadPakFan]

Apparently it's the same format as 92 world cup. I prefer this format so everyone plays eachother, and there's no easy groups. It would mean that truly the best 4 teams of the tournament go through.

But isn't that what the Champions Trophy is for?

 

[shokz1408]

But isn't that what the Champions Trophy is for?

But it's more important that a world cup have such a format, no one has it easy. CT was ours, and Inshallah so will be the WC.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Due to their extended home season. Let's see if they can keep their #1 title by the end of the year.



South Africa is the clear #1 team. Australia are second.



And I can't imagine India ever winning in South Africa even with 12 players on the field. India is very strong at home but pretty awful overseas. England is more balanced and even then, they have a pretty strong record at home.

Thrash England in England? Lol, let's see. Easy to say with the series so far away but history and the skill of players involved says that England will win yet again. Who is going to take the English wickets?

The same bowlers are going to take the English wickets who took south africa's wickets.

 

[Hasan123]

Poms are getting what they deserve for picking bowlers on batting merit.

 

[The_Odd_One]

ATG opener. Check
Greatest English batsman in the middle order. Check
World's #1 all-rounder. Check
World's #1 keeper batsman. Check
Two 400+ wickets bowlers. Check

And still can't win a thing.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

ATG opener. Check
Greatest English batsman in the middle order. Check
World's #1 all-rounder. Check
World's #1 keeper batsman. Check
Two 400+ wickets bowlers. Check

And still can't win a thing.

All English players are overrated by their media. There's a reason why they lose so many matches. Except for Root none of their players can be called ATG or become future ATG

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are as bad as anyone else against swinging ball. But i have a doubt whether NZ would score much either had they batted first. England can still save this Test by batting for long period in the 2nd innings.

 

[Bilal7]

You have to understand that Saffers conditions are similar to England and hence matches between these two teams home/away will always be competitive.

For India, SA conditions are different ball game. No Asian team has ever managed to win a series there.

However, England have been very poor away and at home have been just good. They lost 0-4 to India, 0-4 to Australia, 0-2 to you guys, 0-1 to SL and drew 1-1 to Bangladesh. They have failed to beat even NZ home or away. Even WI tonk them quite a few times in their backyard.

Can you think of any side who would get tonked this badly at home? They have done well only against SA but hammered everywhere(Asia or outside Asia).

Indian team hammered every single opposition at home,SL, BD, WI and were competitive in SA and I have no doubt they will do well in England this time.

As for English wickets lol, India have a very good bowling attack now and England batting is pretty mediocre(bar Root).

England are currently lying alongside NZ in second tier and should not be compared with a strong team like India.

I beg to differ, Australia and South Africa are pretty similar but England not so much. English pitches do not have the same amount of bounce and have more swing. They even use a different ball there. So South Africa is very much a foreign place for the English cricketers and the reason they won a series there is because their pace department is far better than any current Asian team's. Also, their batsmen are better than the Asian batsmen against the moving ball, despite what we saw yesterday.

Well, India haven't really been much better. Series defeats to Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa away and they haven't been tested against Pakistan is over a decade now. England at home have beaten Australia, India and South Africa and they drew against Pakistan but that is because we played superb cricket during that series. India lost to Australia at home which is as bad as England losing to the West Indies at home, given how awful Australia are at anything to do with spin bowling. It is also telling that the last time either of these teams won in each other's backyard was when England won in India with Cook and Anderson contributing heavily.

Like I said, we'll see how that goes. The Indian team is always hyped before such tours but the result is hardly ever something they can be proud of. The bowling attack hasn't really changed much from last time either, as far as I can tell. The same Kumar, Shami, Ishant Yadav, Ashwin and Jadeja were present in 2014. If you think Bumrah is going to win you test matches on his own, good luck.

 

[CricketTruth]

ATG opener. Check
Greatest English batsman in the middle order. Check
World's #1 all-rounder. Check
World's #1 keeper batsman. Check
Two 400+ wickets bowlers. Check

And still can't win a thing.

Cook is not an ATG opener. Goes misssing pretty much every time against any decent pace attack and only averages 46 (not enough for an ATG).

Root is quality and by far the best England current bat, but he isn't the greatest English batsman ever. He is the only English batsman in a very long time who could be ATG?

2 400+ wicket bowlers doesn't mean they are the best. Just means they played a lot of matches. Someone like Philander hasn't got as many wickets but has a much better average.

England players in general are overrated because they have a big media presence and they run up high runs and wicket aggregates because their team plays the most tests. Trent Boult and Kane Williamson can never get to Anderson or Root in terms of aggregate just because NZ play far less tests.

 

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I beg to differ, Australia and South Africa are pretty similar but England not so much. English pitches do not have the same amount of bounce and have more swing. They even use a different ball there. So South Africa is very much a foreign place for the English cricketers and the reason they won a series there is because their pace department is far better than any current Asian team's. Also, their batsmen are better than the Asian batsmen against the moving ball, despite what we saw yesterday.

Well, India haven't really been much better. Series defeats to Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa away and they haven't been tested against Pakistan is over a decade now. England at home have beaten Australia, India and South Africa and they drew against Pakistan but that is because we played superb cricket during that series. India lost to Australia at home which is as bad as England losing to the West Indies at home, given how awful Australia are at anything to do with spin bowling. It is also telling that the last time either of these teams won in each other's backyard was when England won in India with Cook and Anderson contributing heavily.

Like I said, we'll see how that goes. The Indian team is always hyped before such tours but the result is hardly ever something they can be proud of. The bowling attack hasn't really changed much from last time either, as far as I can tell. The same Kumar, Shami, Ishant Yadav, Ashwin and Jadeja were present in 2014. If you think Bumrah is going to win you test matches on his own, good luck.

Yeah there is nothing like growth of players and mind you in cricket one player can make huge difference. All our bowlers are more experienced and skilled compared to the previous tour. It was pretty evident in the recent series against south africa as well.
India lost to australia which might be as bad as losing to west indies but your team actually achieved the honourable feat even when your self proclaimed atg younis and legendary captain misbah were playing.
We will see how it goes but i am pretty sure you will go missing if india wins just like you went missing when kohli scored against sa.
India have been much better team than eng winning every series in subcontinent and west indies. They have been pretty competitive in sa as well.
England on other side have lost a lot of matches at home and not done greatly in nz either where conditions are most similar. They even failed to win against windies and only win against sa was good.
I guess your not tested against pak bubble has been already busted by a lot of posters and this part is better off not being responded to.