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Have India "BOSSED" the New Zealand ODI series?

BDfanforever said:
So when Kholi dont play Indian fans are the first to remind everyone it was Ind B team, fair enough. However, when AUS don’t play their main two batsman, it is full strength Aus?
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This team was also missing shami, dhoni and bumrah. Also most Indian fans would not mind this defeat or even use kohli as excuse for the loss, kohli being there wouldn't have changed the result much, this was a bad day for us and a good reminder for world cup.
 
No excused for this defeat. This defeat is far more beneficial for Indian team than the earlier wins, because Indian think tank will actually act on the lessons learned from this defeat.
 
Horrible performance today. Far from bossing this series. The condition were not favourable but 200 should have been made. Ugly middle order got exposed. Good for India.
 
Blessing in disguise.

We don't care for JAMODIs.

Only tests count.

Only world cup counts.

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Rayudud and DK failed thankfully,but gill too ...
Gill needs to make it count next match at any cost.
 
latecut said:
No excused for this defeat. This defeat is far more beneficial for Indian team than the earlier wins, because Indian think tank will actually act on the lessons learned from this defeat.
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Nothing will happen, they will say series is already bagged and they a got bit complacent..
 
A hideous defeat. The team needed a wake up call though & got a rude awakening instead. What worries me the most is that the management will dust it off as a bad day and continue persisting with this spineless middle order.

In other news KL Rahul:salute coninued his quest for ducks against Eng A
 
jagatk said:
This team was also missing shami, dhoni and bumrah. Also most Indian fans would not mind this defeat or even use kohli as excuse for the loss, kohli being there wouldn't have changed the result much, this was a bad day for us and a good reminder for world cup.
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Don't think any bowlers would be needed if your score is only 92.
 
bluevision said:
A hideous defeat. The team needed a wake up call though & got a rude awakening instead. What worries me the most is that the management will dust it off as a bad day and continue persisting with this spineless middle order.

In other news KL Rahul:salute coninued his quest for ducks against Eng A
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KL Rahul you beauty. :uakmal
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's a different story. And btw I don't think England can win the WC. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll just have to wait and see.
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What's the point of being the BOSS in ODIs when you can't BOSS when it really, really matters?
 
rhony said:
There is no A or B team. Teams can play only what's in front of them. India won fair and square in AUS and smashed NZ too. Today they were thrashed by an ATG bowler at his best. Fair and square again!!
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This!

All credit to NZ, they exploited India's weakness today and came out with flying colors. People here are too bitter to credit the winning team.
 
These are the kind of pitches which can help you win against India! This is where you can exploit the weakness in Indian team (middle order, negation of spinners - no depth in seam bowling, etc) That's why I feel we don't have full chance in World Cup because its played in similar conditions and you can come across such pitches (especially in crucial knockouts)! I would have been 100% confident if the world cup was played in UAE :))
 
Also, everyone would've seen how pathetic these 3 middle order 'batsmen' are whenever there is little bit of pressure!

However our think tank is too blinded by its 'success' to see that.
 
Certainly, Pak bossed SAF and IND bossed NZ wow so many joys in very first month of 2019,who knows what'll happen at WC:afridi:rp
 
Oligochaetes said:
India need a reserve opener, cant play dhawan and Rohit every game... SHould try Shaw
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Or Mayank.

Its deplorable that he isn't even tried once in ODIs. Its beyond pathetic to keep on playing Dhawan-Rohit at the top in every ODI India plays.

Just because these 2 hardly play test cricket, doesn't mean that they need to be compensated for that by being played in each and every LoI India plays prior to WC!
 
MP2011 said:
Or Mayank.

Its deplorable that he isn't even tried once in ODIs. Its beyond pathetic to keep on playing Dhawan-Rohit at the top in every ODI India plays.

Just because these 2 hardly play test cricket, doesn't mean that they need to be compensated for that by being played in each and every LoI India plays prior to WC!
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I suspect IPL, combined with too much international cricket with result in many Indian players burning out before world cup. :virat
 
Aman said:
The middle order.
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It's not even weak, the only issue with it is that it pales in comparison to their top order batting and hence looks 'weaker'. I remember reading a thread on here and each of the middle order bats are averaging 50 each so it's hardly a weakness more like India's least strongest part of the team.

They don't even need to be perfect to win this WC because the rest of the competition are all struggling barring England, who we know don't cope well with pressure in ICC ODI tournaments. Barring a fluke blindsr of a day like Pakistan had in the CT 17 final, I don't see a team beating India in this WC.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's the nature of World Cup cricket. If it's your day, it's your day.
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I disagree actually, most of the time, it's usually the best, overall team that wins the WC. That's been the case, definitely for the last few tournaments at least.
 
IAJ said:
Nothing will happen, they will say series is already bagged and they a got bit complacent..
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If someone says that they should be smacked upside the head. Every time these guys put on that national colors and step on the field, they represent something bigger than them. These guys are professionals for God sake, this is their job. It don't matter India or any country for that matter field, A, B or C teams these guys are experienced professionals and there should be no room for complacency.

What if Kohli or MSD is not in the team, others have played enough cricket to carry this team. It's not like they are playing 11 debutantes, these guys know what International cricket is and know how to play according to the situation. It looks like these guys did not play according to situation, yes the pitch looked like it was a patta but once they saw the ball doing something they should have reduced their target and played for that.

Yes, it is hard to play when the ball is swinging, but if it's easy anyone can do it. Even though cricket is a team game, individual performance matters and yesterday was a great opportunity for some one to show some leadership and shine, but these prima donnas bottled it.
 
Birdman said:
If someone says that they should be smacked upside the head. Every time these guys put on that national colors and step on the field, they represent something bigger than them. These guys are professionals for God sake, this is their job. It don't matter India or any country for that matter field, A, B or C teams these guys are experienced professionals and there should be no room for complacency.

What if Kohli or MSD is not in the team, others have played enough cricket to carry this team. It's not like they are playing 11 debutantes, these guys know what International cricket is and know how to play according to the situation. It looks like these guys did not play according to situation, yes the pitch looked like it was a patta but once they saw the ball doing something they should have reduced their target and played for that.

Yes, it is hard to play when the ball is swinging, but if it's easy anyone can do it. Even though cricket is a team game, individual performance matters and yesterday was a great opportunity for some one to show some leadership and shine, but these prima donnas bottled it.
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How dare they have a bad day, especially when the opposition is having a good day? They owed it to everybody to always have a good day and deliver top performance each time, every time.
 
Banter said:
How dare they have a bad day, especially when the opposition is having a good day? They owed it to everybody to always have a good day and deliver top performance each time, every time.
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No, not all 11 players have a bad day at the same time. I am not talking about winning and losing here, yes good team is going to win and you can't win it all. I am talking about the lack of cricket IQ or playing according to the situation. Not one guy showed any leadership and played for the team.
 
austerlitz said:
Rayudud and DK failed thankfully,but gill too ...
Gill needs to make it count next match at any cost.
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Disagree on the Gill point.

I am happy for Gill to score 20 ducks in a row - He is our future star and we need to be patient. Give him time ...
 
Haroon786 said:
I disagree actually, most of the time, it's usually the best, overall team that wins the WC. That's been the case, definitely for the last few tournaments at least.
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Yes. Especially the format this year will only allow consistent , good teams to go through to the SF at least.
 
RamLakhan said:
These are the kind of pitches which can help you win against India! This is where you can exploit the weakness in Indian team (middle order, negation of spinners - no depth in seam bowling, etc) That's why I feel we don't have full chance in World Cup because its played in similar conditions and you can come across such pitches (especially in crucial knockouts)! I would have been 100% confident if the world cup was played in UAE :))
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India has the bowling attack to thrive on these pitches too. So don't write the Ind team away. I think India's weakness is down right flattest pitches where they will be outgunned by an England or even West Indies or some one like a Fakhar Zaman. India has been winning because of their bowling attack
 
Haroon786 said:
It's not even weak, the only issue with it is that it pales in comparison to their top order batting and hence looks 'weaker'. I remember reading a thread on here and each of the middle order bats are averaging 50 each so it's hardly a weakness more like India's least strongest part of the team.

They don't even need to be perfect to win this WC because the rest of the competition are all struggling barring England, who we know don't cope well with pressure in ICC ODI tournaments. Barring a fluke blindsr of a day like Pakistan had in the CT 17 final, I don't see a team beating India in this WC.
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We are missing a Yuvraj that is the one and only weaknesses
 
mystical man said:
We are missing a Yuvraj that is the one and only weaknesses
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Yuvraj is done. What India's missing is Raina. He's at the perfect age with ample experience and he's clutch. India invested heavily on him and his fall is the reason why India is in the middle order mess. He would have been a perfect no.4 if he progressed. He can up the ante and play a long innings if required
 
rhony said:
Yes. Especially the format this year will only allow consistent , good teams to go through to the SF at least.
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So, in theory, England and India should be the favourites to win the World Cup. Conceivably, either of the teams could BOSS the tournament, be it through entirely actual victories or a combination of the actual sort and the moral variant too.
 
mystical man said:
We are missing a Yuvraj that is the one and only weaknesses
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I understand what you're getting at - that all rounder, who can glue the team together, India don't have someone who can do both of winning the match via the bat or the ball. That is a valid concern. However, this is it really matter, they have such good specialists in batting and bowling?
 
rhony said:
Yuvraj is done. What India's missing is Raina. He's at the perfect age with ample experience and he's clutch. India invested heavily on him and his fall is the reason why India is in the middle order mess. He would have been a perfect no.4 if he progressed. He can up the ante and play a long innings if required
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Raina is done at the int'l level. Didn't India give him a shot in the England ODI series to see if he could be a viable option for the WC?
 
Banter said:
Raina is done at the int'l level. Didn't India give him a shot in the England ODI series to see if he could be a viable option for the WC?
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He's done. And that's why India has the middle order wobbles. The guy suddenly became a dud. He had issues with short balls but was good at strike rotation, creaming the ball on the off. He was in the middle order for a long time and now India is stuck with Rayudu.
 
rhony said:
He's done. And that's why India has the middle order wobbles. The guy suddenly became a dud. He had issues with short balls but was good at strike rotation, creaming the ball on the off. He was in the middle order for a long time and now India is stuck with Rayudu.
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Pandya's actually a decent Raina replacement, in all 3 aspects. India's problem is that Dhoni is a shadow of what he once was as an ODI batsman. And there is no Yuvi replacement. That leaves a 1.5 sized hole for the likes of Rayudu and Jadhav to fill.
 
India, please save a couple of such performances for the WC, please!

On a serious note - What was the reason for such a drastic dip in performance? Lack of intensity now that the series was already won? Surely, Kohli not being there can't be the sole reason why the entire lineup would crumble like that.
 
It just goes to show you that India is beatable like everyone else and have massive weaknesses in their lineup that can be exploited. They are truly a mediocre ok team. Only a minnow team gets all out to double digit numbers. Now before someone says that Kohli wasn’t playing , then let me remind everyone that Kohli is easy to beat once you take out the top2 and the players that come in after Kohli. Cricket in the end is a team game and one person cannot win a whole game. Once you take the top 3 out it’s even Stevens.

My bet is an England - Australia final.
 
Banter said:
Pandya's actually a decent Raina replacement, in all 3 aspects. India's problem is that Dhoni is a shadow of what he once was as an ODI batsman. And there is no Yuvi replacement. That leaves a 1.5 sized hole for the likes of Rayudu and Jadhav to fill.
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True. And half Dhoni is better than the rest in the Indian middle order. He would have taken the score to 200 yesterday as he already did a few times.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
It just goes to show you that India is beatable like everyone else and have massive weaknesses in their lineup that can be exploited. They are truly a mediocre ok team. Only a minnow team gets all out to double digit numbers. Now before someone says that Kohli wasn’t playing , then let me remind everyone that Kohli is easy to beat once you take out the top2 and the players that come in after Kohli. Cricket in the end is a team game and one person cannot win a whole game. Once you take the top 3 out it’s even Stevens.

My bet is an England - Australia final.
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I don't think even we Indian fans expect us to be in the final lol. At best semi final. So stop wasting your time on trolling. Rightnow they are ranked 2 rightfully.
 
India got bossed over because their boss went on a well deserved vacation! Lol

Jokes apart - 'Cricket is a great leveler' is thought to be a cliche. But it comes to bite you when you least expect it
 
dani2k said:
India got bossed over because their boss went on a well deserved vacation! Lol

Jokes apart - 'Cricket is a great leveler' is thought to be a cliche. But it comes to bite you when you least expect it
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In the last 1 year

South Africa 126 & 77 all out in SL (Test)
England 77 all out vs WI (tests)
England 58 all out vs NZ (Tests)
NZ 90 all out vs Pakistan (tests)
 
I hope we lose the next one as well, so they will realise the middle order weakness and bring in Pant
 
Snak3eye5 said:
It just goes to show you that India is beatable like everyone else and have massive weaknesses in their lineup that can be exploited. They are truly a mediocre ok team. Only a minnow team gets all out to double digit numbers. Now before someone says that Kohli wasn’t playing , then let me remind everyone that Kohli is easy to beat once you take out the top2 and the players that come in after Kohli. Cricket in the end is a team game and one person cannot win a whole game. Once you take the top 3 out it’s even Stevens.

My bet is an England - Australia final.
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Dude. No indian thinks we'll reach finals.
 
India are still the best team in the world. One loss in dead rubber means nothing. No team is better than current Indian team in the world.
 
Haroon786 said:
I disagree actually, most of the time, it's usually the best, overall team that wins the WC. That's been the case, definitely for the last few tournaments at least.
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It's happened throughout the 2000s and 2010s but I still feel that if a team can gain momentum at the right time, it can win the tournament
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I don't think even we Indian fans expect us to be in the final lol. At best semi final. So stop wasting your time on trolling. Rightnow they are ranked 2 rightfully.
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Pretty surprised that indian fans don't think they'll reach the final. They are a pretty strong team. Who do u think will go to the final then?
 
a_tahir said:
Pretty surprised that indian fans don't think they'll reach the final. They are a pretty strong team. Who do u think will go to the final then?
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On paper England. Other one could be anyone. I think Australia might reach final. They have the ingredients. Just the assembly is pending.
 
a_tahir said:
Pretty surprised that indian fans don't think they'll reach the final. They are a pretty strong team. Who do u think will go to the final then?
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AUS for sure. The other spot is TBD
 
I know India is the better team and they've won the series comfortably but boy oh boy did New Zealand annihilate them today. Winning the game in just 14.4 overs against a top-quality side like India is insane.

Just goes to show you the unpredictability (and also beauty) of the format. Nobody is safe from a harsh reality check.

I think one major plus point for New Zealand from the series is how Ross Taylor has played Chahal (and to a lesser extent) Kuldeep. Joe Root showed it last year and Taylor in this series. In the last game he was just smashing Chahal at will. Kuldeep and Chahal could play a big role for India at the next WC so having a player in your line-up who can play them well --and just spin in general-- is significant.
 
Australia has not been bossing

jnaveen1980 said:
On paper England. Other one could be anyone. I think Australia might reach final. They have the ingredients. Just the assembly is pending.
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rhony said:
AUS for sure. The other spot is TBD
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Since CT 2017, Australia has been dreadful. However, even after having such dreadful record they are still one of the favorites to win besides Eng and Ind.

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BDfanforever said:
Since CT 2017, Australia has been dreadful. However, even after having such dreadful record they are still one of the favorites to win besides Eng and Ind.

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They have all the ingredients to make a killer team provided Smith and Warner are back. Add the aussie spirit and you can never count them out in world cups
 
rhony said:
They have all the ingredients to make a killer team provided Smith and Warner are back. Add the aussie spirit and you can never count them out in world cups
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David warner just doesn't look the same anymore. He's not performing that well if i'm honest.
Steve smith looks in good touch tho
 
rhony said:
They have all the ingredients to make a killer team provided Smith and Warner are back. Add the aussie spirit and you can never count them out in world cups
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This is why Aussie coaches and fringe players rake in a lot $$$$ during the IPL.

Lot of desis seem to take it as gospel truth that Australians are these magical athletes that just know how to win.
 
Banter said:
This is why Aussie coaches and fringe players rake in a lot $$$$ during the IPL.

Lot of desis seem to take it as gospel truth that Australians are these magical athletes that just know how to win.
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Look how the Aussies played in the ODIs against India without their first choice bowlers and two top batsman. Look how they fought in the third game. They'll come good in the WC.
 
a_tahir said:
David warner just doesn't look the same anymore. He's not performing that well if i'm honest.
Steve smith looks in good touch tho
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Doesn't matter how they play in some league. The motivation is not the same.
 
rhony said:
Doesn't matter how they play in some league. The motivation is not the same.
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That wasn't my point. My point is that Aussies are in hard rebuild mode. Their batting is not up to scratch and they will have to work hard and need luck to get to the semi-finals. But because the Aus team has been so good for so long, a lot of fans have grown up with Australia ALWAYS being a WC contender. So there's a halo around their team that obscures the flaws in their team.

Also, the assumption that 2 batsmen who have not been playing cricket at the highest level, will just waltz back in and produce top performances right away, is extremely unlikely.

But conventional wisdom rules, and more than half of the fans everywhere would repeat what you did as a MANTRA. World cup = Aussies automatic contender, facts be damned.
 
The game yesterday shows how our team is reliant on the top 3 and Dhoni. People can criticise Dhoni all they want but when something like yesterday happens, he would have been there to stem the flow and add 30-40 runs more. Our middle order is very poor and we got shown yesterday. Brilliant from Boult though, he was amazing.
 
Banter said:
That wasn't my point. My point is that Aussies are in hard rebuild mode. Their batting is not up to scratch and they will have to work hard and need luck to get to the semi-finals. But because the Aus team has been so good for so long, a lot of fans have grown up with Australia ALWAYS being a WC contender. So there's a halo around their team that obscures the flaws in their team.

Also, the assumption that 2 batsmen who have not been playing cricket at the highest level, will just waltz back in and produce top performances right away, is extremely unlikely.

But conventional wisdom rules, and more than half of the fans everywhere would repeat what you did as a MANTRA. World cup = Aussies automatic contender, facts be damned.
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Facts are past details. Future is not a fact. Speculation that SMith and Warner will come back rocking or not is not a fact either. SO yeah, facts be damned because they matter only so much.

My conclusions are based on my own opinions based on how the Aussies played against the Indians without their top 2 batsmen and top 3 bowlers. My observation is based on how Aussies fight when it matters and and how they are a tournament team. My conclusions are based on how Australia has Warner, Finch, Smith, Marsh, Carey, Stoinis, Maxwell, Zampa, Cummins, Starc, Jhye/Hazelwood. That's a balanced unit that can bat until 11 if Jhye plays instead of Hazelwood. Squad has a seam allrounder in Stoinis and a spin AR in Maxwell. Each one of top 3 is an impact player, Finch's issues against India considered. They can score close to 300 and can chase. The games they lost are close. All they need is a spark and Im confident the Aussie team will find it come the workd cup time.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's happened throughout the 2000s and 2010s but I still feel that if a team can gain momentum at the right time, it can win the tournament
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It has happened, especially in the WT20s and CTs and I think it is because it's specifically related to teams who have less honed ability through their systems and don't have the mental fortitude to perform consistently but have the talent who if they focus can beat anyone. This is particularly emblematic of the WI and Pakistan who have won several ICC tournies despite not being the best, most consistent teams at the time of the tournaments - so yes, as always, there will be dark horses who have an outside chance to win the WC but the most probability has to go to the the likes of England and India as of now.
 
Just goes to show - you cannot boss decent teams like NZ in NZ. Both SA and ENG only managed to win 3-2 here.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Just goes to show - you cannot boss decent teams like NZ in NZ. Both SA and ENG only managed to win 3-2 here.
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With the central pillar, the structure of team india looks very vulnerable. It shouldn't have been this much weak. That's the biggest concern going to the wc.
 
Itachi said:
With the central pillar, the structure of team india looks very vulnerable. It shouldn't have been this much weak. That's the biggest concern going to the wc.
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That's true. i'm surprised they are doing this well despite being so flawed. Will get exposed at the CWC though
 
cricketjoshila said:
4-1 is better than 3-2.

Especially without Bumrah. And then without Kohli.
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I made that post when it didn't look like India were gonna finish well. A 4-1 win is fantastic for India and a terrific achievement considering that neither England nor SA managed to achieve that. I don't think even Indian fans, including myself, expected this result. :)
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I made that post when it didn't look like India were gonna finish well. A 4-1 win is fantastic for India and a terrific achievement considering that neither England nor SA managed to achieve that. I don't think even Indian fans, including myself, expected this result. :)
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I would have taken a 3-2 as well. The reason being absence of Bumrah and Kohli.
 
We've been thumped this series, but I get the feeling we'll be one of the teams who beats India in the GS. Probably wont make it to the Semis, but I get the feeling we'll at least beat India and add some spice to who finishes top of the table.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Just goes to show - you cannot boss decent teams like NZ in NZ. Both SA and ENG only managed to win 3-2 here.
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Umm well they did just that. BOSSED NZ, unlike Pakistan who got blanked in NZ and apparently "BOSSED" SA in SA by losing the series 3-2.
 
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