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Have your views on Misbah-ul-Haq changed since his retirement from international cricket?

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Are people just realizing how good he was when he was playing for Pakistan?

Has his current form in domestic and PSL shown to many of his detractors how useful a player he was or do you still hold the same (negative or positive) view of Misbah?
 
Lol, nope. What he did while playing for Pakistan is in front of everyone. What he does after that is irrelevant
 
I had more respect for him when he was playing. I lost respect for him as clearly money means everything to him. Come on who plays cricket when they are 45.
 
The guy is good, no doubt about that.

While the whole lahore line up and the top 5 batsmen of Zalmi weren't able to score runs on this pitch. This guy made it look easy.

Thing is, when he goes out to bat, he has a plan. If the spinner is bowling too good, he will ruin their line and length by going for the reverse.

Today he tonked Sandeep for 2 sixes and Fakhar got soo scared that he didn't even dare to bring Sandeep back. Instead he got a part timer like Ten Doeschatte to bowl.
 
He was a good test player and it stops right there. Our odi team only regressed under him. Such a selfish mediocre batsman in odis thank God he's gone.
 
Main culprit of the 2011 Semi Final Mohali, does not have my respect.

He should not of played a game of LOI, done lots of harm to Pak Cricket, forget about the good.
 
I respect him even more when it comes to Test cricket.

His absence has shown just how important he was in the Pakistan Test team, what a key role he played and how difficult it has been to replace him and Younis Khan.
 
Single handedly lost us many a matches, whatever he does now won't redeem him.
 
Should have been removed as ODI captain earlier and allowed to just play as a batsman (T20s as well). He might have even scored at a higher SR, as well as a fresh air of captaincy might have done the trick. Instead we just kept having him as captain and just accepting losses, while Misbah took the blame.

Against quality opposition was one of our few batsmen ever who actually scored in ODIs.
 
I actually think he could’ve been a better batsmen if he didn’t captain the team as much in ODIs.

Because he seems to bat more freely when he’s not given the responsibility of being the captain. Earlier on his career he was known as a bit of an aggressor in domestics and his ODI strike rate was also higher before being given the captaincy if I recall correctly.

I still respect misbah as much as I did in his international days because he has been a great servant to Pakistan cricket, but I think his batting could’ve benefitted from him not captaining as long as he did.
 
Was always a good player.

The thing is, because rest of our batsmen were useless, he always came in a crisis situation.

You can argue Misbah picked the useless batsmen but thats another story.
 
On a more balanced note, I miss the slog sweeps over mid wicket. He should have been used as a pinch hitter and just given one role.
 
I had more respect for him when he was playing. I lost respect for him as clearly money means everything to him. Come on who plays cricket when they are 45.

That's his livelihood. Can't disrespect a player/person for doing their loved profession for as long as they can. It is not on him to retire/walk away. It is up to the cricket directors/managers to not select him. Clearly he can still play at a high enough level that he is valued. I mean look at the NFL, why is Tom Brady still playing at 42/43? He has won a lot and best player ever. Your argument is ridiculous.
 
Nope. I thought he was a class act then and think he is a class act even now. He had a lot of limitations as a performer but he did a lot to drag Pakistan to respectability after the spot fixing crap.
 
One of the rarest Pakistani cricketers in the last 20 years who made the maximum use of his limited ability. The guy had too many short-comings to succeed in International cricket as a batsman but his will, determination and never say never attitude made him achieve more than he could have with those short-comings. A man of crisis with a cool head over his shoulders. One of our best batsmen in last 2 decades.
 
Mine have only been reinforced!

The whole notion of "we won't even get to 220 if Misbah doesn't bat the way he does" \has been thrown out the window.

We were languishing at the bottom of the ODI rankings which improved significantly post his retirement.

Also, the argument that he had a weak lineup is rubbish! Firstly, he was the one who had a free reign for several years but stuck with TTFs. Secondly, no one asked him to bat so low down the order and always play the savior act. He could've batted at number 3 and take control of the game instead of always trying to steady the ship. He knew he had no game against the pacers and only wanted to face the spinners.

His overly cautious approach crept into the entire lineup whose main goal was to just play out the 50 overs - in other words, perfectly setting yourself up for failure in modern day limited overs cricket.
 
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I actually think he could’ve been a better batsmen if he didn’t captain the team as much in ODIs.

Because he seems to bat more freely when he’s not given the responsibility of being the captain. Earlier on his career he was known as a bit of an aggressor in domestics and his ODI strike rate was also higher before being given the captaincy if I recall correctly.

I still respect misbah as much as I did in his international days because he has been a great servant to Pakistan cricket, but I think his batting could’ve benefitted from him not captaining as long as he did.

Yeah, it has happened a lot where players performances regress after being given captaincy (feel Sarfoo is going through the same thing). On the other hand there was no one better than him back then. This guy may have been quiet but he had a real cricketing brain. He knew how to handle his bowlers and how to come up with a plan be it when alone at the crease or when leading the team on to field. I also feel this is why under Sarfoo Yasir hasn't been as effective because of all the wrong plans and the lack of patience...
 
A specialist batsman who cannot manage a single century 149 innings. There is NO WAY you can overlook this.

For a "good batsman in a weak lineup", surely you would get at least a few opportunities to score a century.

Sadly, as I said, the aim for Misbah was always to play a supporting role. He never took the attack to the opposition or try to bat them out of the game. He was an extremely limited player who did more harm to our limited overs cricket than good.
 
nothing much.. he bats same way whatever situation teams in.. surprisingly despite having a very good temperament and big shots in his arsenal he wasn't a very good test bat too..
 
A specialist batsman who cannot manage a single century 149 innings. There is NO WAY you can overlook this.

For a "good batsman in a weak lineup", surely you would get at least a few opportunities to score a century.

Sadly, as I said, the aim for Misbah was always to play a supporting role. He never took the attack to the opposition or try to bat them out of the game. He was an extremely limited player who did more harm to our limited overs cricket than good.

Perfect way to sum it all up
 
That's his livelihood. Can't disrespect a player/person for doing their loved profession for as long as they can. It is not on him to retire/walk away. It is up to the cricket directors/managers to not select him. Clearly he can still play at a high enough level that he is valued. I mean look at the NFL, why is Tom Brady still playing at 42/43? He has won a lot and best player ever. Your argument is ridiculous.

So everyone should play till 60s then since it's their livelihood. Why did he retire from international cricket then? Why did imran, inzi etc retire since it's their livelihood. You ain't fooling anyone with this rubbish the guy played cricket for 20+ years. There are other jobs too. Why isn't younis playing then he was miles better then Misbah and is still younger then him?
 
A specialist batsman who cannot manage a single century 149 innings. There is NO WAY you can overlook this.

For a "good batsman in a weak lineup", surely you would get at least a few opportunities to score a century.

Sadly, as I said, the aim for Misbah was always to play a supporting role. He never took the attack to the opposition or try to bat them out of the game. He was an extremely limited player who did more harm to our limited overs cricket than good.

One of the wrost odi batsmen we have produced.
 
Don;t care about domestic T20 league , was not good for Pakistan team, particularly his last 3-4 years. Was a selfish and negative player and captain.
 
Respectable player who gets unnecessary hate but also gets over the top praise.
 
A very respectable player who did a lot to Pakistan cricket post match fixing issue.
 
A very respectable player who did a lot to Pakistan cricket post match fixing issue.

Nah, didn't do a lot, led our ODI team to the gutter and his captaincy was exposed in the away tours of NZ and Aus. UAE specialist captain and even then he had the honor of leading a Pakistan team to defeat against the WI in the UAE.
 
Nah, didn't do a lot, led our ODI team to the gutter and his captaincy was exposed in the away tours of NZ and Aus. UAE specialist captain and even then he had the honor of leading a Pakistan team to defeat against the WI in the UAE.

Did you just mixed ODIs with tests?
 
Did you just mixed ODIs with tests?

Combined both together, his test captaincy was exposed on the away tours of Eng, NZ and Aus.

Yes he led with respect but some could argue he could have done a lot more if he hadn't been the ideal timid yes man to the PCB for the 7 long years he was in charge.
 
He was a selfish player , kept his personal interest ahead of teams interest , hence kept playing 3-4 years too long.
 
Dard-e-dil ke vaste paida kiya insan ko
Varna taa.at ke liye kuchh kam na the karr-o-bayañ
(The reason for the creation of humanity is to have
compassion Else, for obedience, the angels did not have a match)

These verses of Khwaja Mir Dard, one of the classic Urdu poets, depict a Sufi strand of thought whose latest proponent is someone who has turned it into a mantra.

Misbah-ul-Haq Khan Niazi, Pakistan’s iconic former cricket captain, treads remarkably lightly. It’s almost as if fame never touched him. During the course of an interview, and engaging interaction spread over a day’s stay in Doha, I repeatedly asked him about why he hadn’t still penned an autobiography and its importance in the context of Pakistan cricket. Each time, he shied away from even acknowledging his hallowed rank as the country’s most successful Test captain. He just does not seem to take it seriously!
But should one even be surprised? That is just signature Misbah for those in the know. Humble and down-to-earth to a fault, the former sheet anchor of Pakistan cricket, who, won over cricket fans and connoisseurs the world over with his exemplary sportsmanship and fair play as well as defying the years with his prowess on the field is now eyeing the innings of his life — away from the greens.
After retiring from international cricket two years ago, he has more recently begun a second notable innings. He has turned into a ‘full time’ philanthropist by joining the Pakistan Children’s Heart Foundation (PCHF) as its director — and swiftly becoming its face.
Initially, Misbah and his cricket-loving wife Uzma Khan had set upon the idea of a hospital in his hometown Mianwali. But later he came around to supporting the PCHF instead because it was “a much bigger cause and expanded the horizons from a local district capital to the entire country”.

Excerpts from the interview.

Please tell us about your association with the PHF: how did this come about?
It was about six or seven months ago that I met Farhan Ahmad, who is the founder of PCHF, and who set up the foundation after enduring a personal tragedy in 2012 when he lost his daughter to a congenital heart condition.
Actually, the daughter of one of my close friends had the disease by birth and I saw him go through turmoil, moving from one place to another and then another trying to get her treated. During the course of this struggle he came across Farhan, who together with his team helped him. That’s how I got to know about the issue in detail and the enormity of the ordeal faced by families, especially those who are poor. It was then that I decided to chip in. I felt that it is our social responsibility: that if we can use our fame and whatever we achieved for a humanitarian cause we should. We owe much to this country. This is our next generation we’re talking about. It is essentially about our future as a nation.

The foundation has helped conduct approximately 1,500 surgeries on children with the same disease over this time successfully. That having said, more recently we reached a conclusion that in order to go forward we need a centre of excellence and build capacity. At present, we only have eight surgeons who specialise in the field, which obviously is not enough to meet the enormous challenges — remember, some 50,000 children are born with the condition every year in Pakistan. Mind you, out of these, approximately 20,000 are in need of immediate surgery.

Currently, we can operate on only 4,000 of these in terms of capacity. Once we have the centre, we will be in a reasonable position to meet the future challenges. We have been going around at home and abroad with the same awareness drive and to get entrepreneurs to join the cause and help build this centre of excellence.

We have the example of Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital (SKMCH) before us: as with congenital heart disease, we had a huge problem with cancer in Pakistan before it was established. While SKMCH (in or by itself) may not have rooted out the menace, at least there is a centre of excellence where you can go to for help. That’s what our vision is. The project time is two and a half years, but we’re hopeful of making it (before then). Let’s see.

How do you differentiate between your first innings (cricket) and second (philanthropy). And what has been more fulfilling?
I always say that the first innings is (essentially) about yourself: how you spend your life in this world is YOUR call — your (chosen) profession, your earning, your fame. So the first innings was all about me!

But when you introspect — as a Muslim — why we’re here; we have a life after this, so we need to prepare for it. If you have, you know that this second life is more important than the first one. This was a part of self-realisation that I went through. The second innings is definitely more important than the first one.

Is philanthropy for everyone? What would you advise the average Joe do to be a responsible citizen?

Yes. We need to do this. Personally, I’m grateful to Allah that I got this opportunity and came across Farhan. It’s a blessing from Allah. I think I can do something for myself (smiles) if I’m doing something for others. It’s a social and religious responsibility and I think anyone with power and fame should use it for the benefit of those in need.

Everyone can do this. The whole concept of humanity — and basically, it is at the heart of Islam — is that you look to help others and you always think about their welfare. I think we need to understand this philosophy. You don’t need to be rich to help others; you can join such causes in different ways. You can volunteer to do a lot of things. A good intention is paramount.

What have you planned for the foreseeable future; would you be amenable to an offer for an official role in Pakistan cricket?

It’s a difficult question. They (the Pakistan Cricket Board) have been sounding out various roles. Currently, though it’s also about my personal life. As well as pursuing the PCHF project, I also have kids, who, at a certain age, need to have parents by their side. They have missed quite a bit when I was busy playing for Pakistan. If I were to take up a role, it would mean I’d have to be away from them again because coaching is a full time job and I’ve already been away for 15-16 years playing cricket. They haven’t seen me at home for a long, long time. So, I’m taking some time off, for now. Let’s see what the future holds.

Your better half was a regular presence in the latter part of your cricketing career. How much of an influence has she been in your second innings?

Uzma is always a big support. The very reason that I’m still actively involved with the game — I played the Pakistan Super League Edition 4 recently — is because she has insisted that I continue playing because “you’re still fit, you can still perform”. She also feels that playing is a better option than sitting out in terms of sharing experiences with the (younger) guys. I’m blessed that my family — wife and kids — are avid followers of the game and support me and our teams. How much this means to me cannot be explained in words. Usually families elsewhere (in Pakistan) are not that involved (smiles).

Reportedly, your son has taken after you in cricket. Does he have the same passion and drive? Also, will you support your daughter making her own career choices?

My son (Faham ul Haq) is luckier than me and when you’re lucky, you tend to be a bit lazy (smiles). I had to go through a lot before making the cut. But he is still very young. He is doing well — he was recently the ‘Man of the Match’ in the semis of an Under-13 tournament, got some runs and took wickets in the final, too, for Lahore. Faham (an opening batsman who also bowls off-spin) was also one of the 30 top performers in a camp for Under-13 at the national academy recently. But talking of the future, it’s long way off. In sport, you need a lot of commitment, hard work, discipline and dedication. At the moment, he’s doing well, but I haven’t put any pressure on him. I encourage him to also play other sports — he is also good at football. But the first priority is for him to complete his education. It is essential for him to learn the Qur’an and become a good human being. After that, it is up to him whether he wants to pursue — cricket, football or whatever he aspires to do.

Yes. The main goal in life as a parent is to see your children become good human beings. That is important. The first priority is for them to complete their education and learn about their religion. As for allowing my daughter (Noriza) to pursue work, it’s really up to her. But I strongly believe that you should choose a profession about which you’re passionate. If there’s no passion, you cannot go far.

https://www.gulf-times.com/story/633816/The-whole-concept-of-humanity-is-to-help-others-Mi
 
As ODI Captain, He was holding our ODI team back. His defensive and negative approach was exposed even more after his retirement. He was our best TEST Captain though.

As a player Misbah was never the problem.
 
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As ODI Captain, He was holding our ODI team back. His defensive and negative approach was exposed even more after his retirement. He was our best TEST Captain though.

As a player Misbah was never the problem.
No he was not the reason of our failure in ODI, we are simply a poor team since 2006.

We won Asia Cup, away series in SA and India.

What we done after Misbah in ODI?

Just a CT and we are losing agaisnt any half decent opposition everywhere
 
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