Hazard vs Coutinho

[Saj]

Who in your opinion is the better player and why?

 

[Boyo]

Hazard has actually won Chelsea a bpl so there's quite a difference.

 

[Hasan123]

Hazard, much better dribbler than coutiniho, ball retention is better, not as predictable as cut inside have a shot coutiniho, also hazard was a key reason why Chelsea won premier league last season. Coutiniho in 2013/2014 was not an important reason why Liverpool challenged for the league. Hazard can break down the smaller teams while even Liverpool fans have complained of coutniho not performing against the lesser teams.

Hazard has had a bad season but under the right manager he will be back to his best at no time, coutniho has a lot do to get to hazards level.

 

[Muhammad10]

Hazard in top form again. Looks a bit more destructive than Coutinho at the moment, although Coutinho may be scoring a bit lesser due to Liverpool having a more complete attack.

 

[Rayyman]

Hazard is a lot better. It's not even close.

 

[PakLFC]

Hazard has better dribbling skills. No doubt about that at all but he is not a "lot better" as some claim.

 

[Rayyman]

Hazard has better dribbling skills. No doubt about that at all but he is not a "lot better" as some claim.

Obviously I'm a bit biased. I think he is a better finisher and better w/out the ball. Also better at crossing and more clutch. And better penalty taker.

 

[Muhammad10]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] Who do you rate higher?

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] Who do you rate higher?

Still Hazard - he had issues with Moureen, but still the best No. 10 in EPL. Cout has unreal potential though - on his day, a classical Brazil No. 10; but he is inconsistent yet. He has to continue whole season like 1st 10 matches, then he can come at per with Hazard & Silva as the No. 10.

 

[PakLFC]

Obviously I'm a bit biased. I think he is a better finisher and better w/out the ball. Also better at crossing and more clutch. And better penalty taker.

Yeah you're biased for sure Coutinho doesn't need to take penalties for us when we have Milner! Coutinho runs better with the ball then Hazard. That is a skill as well

 

[Rayyman]

Yeah you're biased for sure Coutinho doesn't need to take penalties for us when we have Milner! Coutinho runs better with the ball then Hazard. That is a skill as well

You said Hazard is a better dribbler.

 

[Muhammad10]

Still Hazard - he had issues with Moureen, but still the best No. 10 in EPL. Cout has unreal potential though - on his day, a classical Brazil No. 10; but he is inconsistent yet. He has to continue whole season like 1st 10 matches, then he can come at per with Hazard & Silva as the No. 10.

I rate Hazard as one of the best dribblers in the league, while they are both at a similar level in terms of finishing. Coutinho, meanwhile, is one of the best in the league when it comes to long shots.

Both are integral to the success of their respective teams.

 

[MMHS]

I rate Hazard as one of the best dribblers in the league, while they are both at a similar level in terms of finishing. Coutinho, meanwhile, is one of the best in the league when it comes to long shots.

Both are integral to the success of their respective teams.

But, he wastes too many balls from chancy long shots. It has brought him some stunners, but for a team like Liverpool with shot, fast interchanging passing in attacking 3rd, I think Hazard could be more effective; because he can bring the ball & distribute in business ares. But, that's one area, if Cout can improve, he is the new Zico of world football.

 

[Muhammad10]

But, he wastes too many balls from chancy long shots. It has brought him some stunners, but for a team like Liverpool with shot, fast interchanging passing in attacking 3rd, I think Hazard could be more effective; because he can bring the ball & distribute in business ares. But, that's one area, if Cout can improve, he is the new Zico of world football.

On the other hand, Hazard needs to take on the shot and be a bit more selfish at times. His scoring rate has improved this season, and if he wants to join the bracket of MSN, Ronaldo and Griezmann, he must improve his goals-per-game ratio in the long-term.

Eden and Philippe are young though, so both definitely have room for improvement.

 

[WC-Passion]

I rate Hazard as one of the best dribblers in the league, while they are both at a similar level in terms of finishing. Coutinho, meanwhile, is one of the best in the league when it comes to long shots.

Both are integral to the success of their respective teams.

Similar level in-terms of finishing? Hazard scored 19 goals for Chelsea in 14/15, you don't see Coutinho doing that.

I feel like Coutinho is more of a player who tends to provide the key passes rather than the killer finishes, while Hazard is the complete opposite, but they can do both pretty well.

Both definetly have the talent and skill to start for any club in the world for sure.

 

[Muhammad10]

Similar level in-terms of finishing? Hazard scored 19 goals for Chelsea in 14/15, you don't see Coutinho doing that.

I feel like Coutinho is more of a player who tends to provide the key passes rather than the killer finishes, while Hazard is the complete opposite, but they can do both pretty well.

Both definetly have the talent and skill to start for any club in the world for sure.

Fair enough, although, as I mentioned in my above post, I would like to see more killer instinct and ruthlessness in terms of finishing from Hazard in the long run. He has a very high ceiling and greater goal-scoring potential than Coutinho, in my opinion.

I think Klopp's management and Liverpool's free-flowing attack under him is allowing Coutinho to flourish and realise his potential.

 

[Rayyman]

Still Hazard - he had issues with Moureen, but still the best No. 10 in EPL. Cout has unreal potential though - on his day, a classical Brazil No. 10; but he is inconsistent yet. He has to continue whole season like 1st 10 matches, then he can come at per with Hazard & Silva as the No. 10.

Hazard is not even the best #10 on his team. Fabregas, Oscar and Willian are all better in that position.

 

[Hasan123]

But, he wastes too many balls from chancy long shots. It has brought him some stunners, but for a team like Liverpool with shot, fast interchanging passing in attacking 3rd, I think Hazard could be more effective; because he can bring the ball & distribute in business ares. But, that's one area, if Cout can improve, he is the new Zico of world football.

Coutiniho as good as Zico? Relax yourself bro.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Too close to call. Whoever is in the better form is the better player.

 

[PakLFC]

You said Hazard is a better dribbler.

Yeah he is but Coutinho has other qualities like running with the ball and perhaps better vision as well.

 

[Rayyman]

Yeah he is but Coutinho has other qualities like running with the ball and perhaps better vision as well.

Hazard doesn't have as good vision, but he is better at running past defenders.

 

[WC-Passion]

Too close to call. Whoever is in the better form is the better player.

Hazard is better in everything barring workrate and vision imo, I don't think it's that close atm.

Fair enough, although, as I mentioned in my above post, I would like to see more killer instinct and ruthlessness in terms of finishing from Hazard in the long run. He has a very high ceiling and greater goal-scoring potential than Coutinho, in my opinion.

I think Klopp's management and Liverpool's free-flowing attack under him is allowing Coutinho to flourish and realise his potential.

Yeah if wants to score 25+ goals a season he definetly needs to start taking more set-pieces and getting into scoring positions frequently. His finishing against Burnley for example was quite lazy other than that one goal, he had plenty of chances to even get a hatrick.

Coutinho will probably be bought by Barcelona honestly, they need someone to replace Iniesta as their little magician, and Coutinho can do that.

 

[Muhammad10]

Hazard is better in everything barring workrate and vision imo, I don't think it's that close atm.



Yeah if wants to score 25+ goals a season he definetly needs to start taking more set-pieces and getting into scoring positions frequently. His finishing against Burnley for example was quite lazy other than that one goal, he had plenty of chances to even get a hatrick.

Coutinho will probably be bought by Barcelona honestly, they need someone to replace Iniesta as their little magician, and Coutinho can do that.

Would definitely be a great addition to the Barca side, although it will take some doing to fill a legend like Iniesta's shoes.

 

[Mamoon]

Hazard is better than Coutinho but De Bruyne is better than both.

 

[WC-Passion]

Hazard is better than Coutinho but De Bruyne is better than both.

Hard to argue against after seeing that beauty against Barcelona

Though I'd say Hazard is around the same level. I'm somewhat biased though.

 

[WC-Passion]

Would definitely be a great addition to the Barca side, although it will take some doing to fill a legend like Iniesta's shoes.

You are right, though lets be honest, Barca will be happy if someone like Coutinho could do as half as much as Iniesta has done for them.

 

[PakLFC]

Hazard doesn't have as good vision, but he is better at running past defenders.

No I don't think so. Coutinho has better vision where as Hazard has better dribbling ability.

 

[PakLFC]

You are right, though lets be honest, Barca will be happy if someone like Coutinho could do as half as much as Iniesta has done for them.

We've already given them Suarez. It would be a dagger in the heart if we lost Coutinho to them as well.

 

[Muhammad10]

Hard to argue against after seeing that beauty against Barcelona

Though I'd say Hazard is around the same level. I'm somewhat biased though.

De Bruyne should have been ours too.
Mourinho ruined everything.

 

[Muhammad10]

We've already given them Suarez. It would be a dagger in the heart if we lost Coutinho to them as well.

Could become an Atletico-Chelsea type situation. We got the likes of Diego Costa and Courtois from them.

 

[PakLFC]

Could become an Atletico-Chelsea type situation. We got the likes of Diego Costa and Courtois from them.

As great as Barca are we can never be their feeder club. Must stop selling our best players like Suarez, Sterling and possibly Coutinho. I am sick of it.

 

[WC-Passion]

De Bruyne should have been ours too.
Mourinho ruined everything.

Mourinho also got rid of Lukaku, Salah and Schurrle. It really couldn't get worse at this point.

 

[Rayyman]

Mourinho also got rid of Lukaku, Salah and Schurrle. It really couldn't get worse at this point.

Filipe Luis, Ramires, Demba Ba.

 

[WC-Passion]

Filipe Luis, Ramires, Demba Ba.

Ramires left on his own accord during the weird recovery period under Guus Hiddink for the money as he was getting towards the late stages of his career last season, which was really sad as he was basically our cult hero.

Filipe Luis wasn't ever used propely, he seems to be in the same position as Henrikh Mkhyitaran, bought and bizzarely hidden away. Not surprised that he left but yes, knowing that he's one of the best LB's in the world atm, it's upsetting he was misused and sold.

Demba Ba didn't really like Mourinho's style, he felt that he was pushed too hard and struggled. His move to Turkey was his own decision.

 

[PakLFC]

We have sold Suarez to Barcelona and now they and PSG are said to want Coutinho. Had to sell Rahim Sterling to Man City. Years back were forced to let Owen, McManaman and Alonso depart for Real Madrid. Liverpool must find a way of keeping their best players if we want to become a great club again.

 

[PakLFC]

We also let Barcelona take Mascherano from us. So that is Suarez, Mascherano and possibly Coutinho sold to them and Alonso, McManaman and Owen to Real Madrid. Sterling to Man City. No way can we continue doing that whilst dreaming to conquer Europe again.

 

[Mamoon]

KDB > Hazard = Ozil > Coutinho > Mata

 

[Rayyman]

KDB > Hazard = Ozil > Coutinho > Mata

All of those guys are attacking midfielders while Hazard is a winger. Can't really compare them. You could say KDB > Ozil > Coutinho > Eriksen > Mata = Fabregas and then Hazard > Martial = Sterling > Walcott

 

[Mamoon]

All of those guys are attacking midfielders while Hazard is a winger. Can't really compare them. You could say KDB > Ozil > Coutinho > Eriksen > Mata = Fabregas and then Hazard > Martial = Sterling > Walcott

Hazard is actually an AM, and that is where he is playing this season and he is performing at a very high level.

He is a totally different player but Martial, Sterling or Walcott and more similar to KDB, Coutinho and Eriksen.

Ozil is unique though, there is no one like him.

 

[Rayyman]

Hazard is actually an AM, and that is where he is playing this season and he is performing at a very high level.

He is a totally different player but Martial, Sterling or Walcott and more similar to KDB, Coutinho and Eriksen.

Ozil is unique though, there is no one like him.

No. He is playing LW and has for most of his career. Similar to Martial, Sterling and Walcott. Ozil isn't that unique. He plays AM and is similar to other AMs like KDB, Coutinho and Eriksen. [MENTION=138836]WC-Passion[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

No. He is playing LW and has for most of his career. Similar to Martial, Sterling and Walcott. Ozil isn't that unique. He plays AM and is similar to other AMs like KDB, Coutinho and Eriksen. [MENTION=138836]WC-Passion[/MENTION]

Hazard played as a CAM for Lille and has played as a CAM for Belgium a lot of times. He is very good at LW too, but his best position is CAM.

Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to.

Martial is a ST but he is playing LW; Messi is a trequartista but he has to play on the right these days to accommodate Suarez.

Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him.

 

[Rayyman]

Hazard played as a CAM for Lille and has played as a CAM for Belgium a lot of times. He is very good at LW too, but his best position is CAM.

Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to.

Martial is a ST but he is playing LW; Messi is a trequartista but he has to play on the right these days to accommodate Suarez.

Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him.

-"but his best position is CAM."
Disagree. His best goals come when he cuts in from the left and uses his best qualities to effect- speed and dribbling.

-"Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to."
Agreed, but Hazard has been tried at CAM by Chelsea before and he always sucks there. His performances for Chelsea have been better as an LM or LW. Maybe you're thinking of his brother who is really good at CAM.

-"Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him."
What are these qualities?

 

[WC-Passion]

Hazard played as a CAM for Lille and has played as a CAM for Belgium a lot of times. He is very good at LW too, but his best position is CAM.

Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to.

Martial is a ST but he is playing LW; Messi is a trequartista but he has to play on the right these days to accommodate Suarez.

Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him.

Hazard got his best ever run for Chelsea at LW and is actually quite different to the likes of KDB or Coutinho in the fact that he's more of a player who you'd see as a goal scorer rather than someone who can pull off fantastic assists game after game. He's never going to be a player who has the potential to get 15-20 assists in a PL season.

It's a 3-4-3 formation that he's playing in atm, but when we go attacking it turns into more of a 3-4-2-1, with a LF and a RF, and he plays as the LF. Pretty much explains why he's got 3 goals in 3 games.

 

[Muhammad10]

Hazard played as a CAM for Lille and has played as a CAM for Belgium a lot of times. He is very good at LW too, but his best position is CAM.

Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to.

Martial is a ST but he is playing LW; Messi is a trequartista but he has to play on the right these days to accommodate Suarez.

Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him.

Ozil is certainly capable of playing spectacular passes and is a brilliant provider in general, but don't you feel he is a bit of a bottler like Fabregas?

From what I've noticed, both are amazing assist providers but tend to go missing in big games.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Ozil is certainly capable of playing spectacular passes and is a brilliant provider in general, but don't you feel he is a bit of a bottler like Fabregas?

From what I've noticed, both are amazing assist providers but tend to go missing in big games.

Really. Just because he played with many bottlers don't make Ozil a bottler. Every big game we have won since his arrival he always been a main part of it. Beat Bayern last season he scored, beat Man U last season he scored and played crucial part in one other goal, against Chelsea this season he was brilliant. Played decent against Man City last season too when Arsenal beat them. Issue is he gets criticised for nearly every defeat like he is defending and playing up front. English media always say he goes missing or is bottler as he tormented them in the U21 world cup and as he plays for Germany and Arsenal lol.

 

[Muhammad10]

Really. Just because he played with many bottlers don't make Ozil a bottler. Every big game we have won since his arrival he always been a main part of it. Beat Bayern last season he scored, beat Man U last season he scored and played crucial part in one other goal, against Chelsea this season he was brilliant. Played decent against Man City last season too when Arsenal beat them. Issue is he gets criticised for nearly every defeat like he is defending and playing up front. English media always say he goes missing or is bottler as he tormented them in the U21 world cup and as he plays for Germany and Arsenal lol.

Fair enough. That was just the impression I got from the media's coverage of Ozil, tbh, as I haven't really watched him play too often.

From what I remember, Fabregas went missing in many games last season, though, so I hope to see him be more consistent under Conte.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Fair enough. That was just the impression I got from the media's coverage of Ozil, tbh, as I haven't really watched him play too often.

From what I remember, Fabregas went missing in many games last season, though, so I hope to see him be more consistent under Conte.

Ozil since his arrival has been quite consistent. In his 1st season he was good first half and went down hill 2nd season physically. But last 2 seasons he has been consistent has few off games at most and then delivers. But the way media makes it out that he bottles it and not a big game player. He has created plenty chances and could have had extra 10 assists if it wasn't of Arsenals poor finishing and attackers.
Media has always under played his good performances and when Arsenal lose they point fingers at him. When it's Arsenals defending and finishing chances that cost them many games. Their is certainly a agenda against Ozil by the British media.

 

[Muhammad10]

Ozil since his arrival has been quite consistent. In his 1st season he was good first half and went down hill 2nd season physically. But last 2 seasons he has been consistent has few off games at most and then delivers. But the way media makes it out that he bottles it and not a big game player. He has created plenty chances and could have had extra 10 assists if it wasn't of Arsenals poor finishing and attackers.
Media has always under played his good performances and when Arsenal lose they point fingers at him. When it's Arsenals defending and finishing chances that cost them many games. Their is certainly a agenda against Ozil by the British media.

Agree on that. Must be infuriating for a playmaker to have someone like Giroud up front.

 

[Rayyman]

Ozil is certainly capable of playing spectacular passes and is a brilliant provider in general, but don't you feel he is a bit of a bottler like Fabregas?

From what I've noticed, both are amazing assist providers but tend to go missing in big games.

That's pretty much the only thing about Ozil that is world class. Everything else about him average. Not sure why he is considered by some to be unique and special.

 

[Mamoon]

Ozil is certainly capable of playing spectacular passes and is a brilliant provider in general, but don't you feel he is a bit of a bottler like Fabregas?

From what I've noticed, both are amazing assist providers but tend to go missing in big games.

Ozil has performed in El Classico, he was performed in the World Cup, he has performed in the Euro and has scored for Arsenal against Bayern, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Man United and has produced 2 game-changing assists vs Man City.

Arsenal might actually win something if they find more 'bottlers' like him. He is an introvert and his body language does not inspire confidence, which gives the impression that he lacks the stomach for a fight.

 

[Mamoon]

That's pretty much the only thing about Ozil that is world class. Everything else about him average. Not sure why he is considered by some to be unique and special.

That is a vert uneducated way of looking at things. As a player, you are judged at your best traits and not your overall utility.

Ozil's vision and ability to make assists is best in the world.

Using this logic, Vidal is a better midfielder than Xavi because he can do more things than Xavi; he can score goals and also defend better, and he is stronger and quicker too, while Xavi is only better than him at passing and playmaking.

 

[Muhammad10]

Ozil has performed in El Classico, he was performed in the World Cup, he has performed in the Euro and has scored for Arsenal against Bayern, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Man United and has produced 2 game-changing assists vs Man City.

Arsenal might actually win something if they find more 'bottlers' like him. He is an introvert and his body language does not inspire confidence, which gives the impression that he lacks the stomach for a fight.

So you are saying he is a footballing version of , but is one who has actually achieved his potential.

 

[Mamoon]

-"but his best position is CAM."
Disagree. His best goals come when he cuts in from the left and uses his best qualities to effect- speed and dribbling.

-"Players are deployed out of position, but that doesn't make that position their natural position, at times you have to do so because the team requires you to."
Agreed, but Hazard has been tried at CAM by Chelsea before and he always sucks there. His performances for Chelsea have been better as an LM or LW. Maybe you're thinking of his brother who is really good at CAM.

-"Ozil is a unique footballer because he has very rare and different qualities and is still brilliant. It is very difficult to compare Ozil to anyone because there are no players like him."
What are these qualities?

Hazard got his best ever run for Chelsea at LW and is actually quite different to the likes of KDB or Coutinho in the fact that he's more of a player who you'd see as a goal scorer rather than someone who can pull off fantastic assists game after game. He's never going to be a player who has the potential to get 15-20 assists in a PL season.

It's a 3-4-3 formation that he's playing in atm, but when we go attacking it turns into more of a 3-4-2-1, with a LF and a RF, and he plays as the LF. Pretty much explains why he's got 3 goals in 3 games.

Hazard has more freedom under Conte and he is playing closer to goal. He is too good a player to be restricted on the LW and that is what happened in the second season under Mourinho.

Hazard will be sublime as a number 10/CAM and I am not thinking of his brother who is good but not in his league. Everyone sucked at Chelsea last season, unfair to judge Hazard on that.

His playmaking is restricted on the LW, but its good to see him get more freedom this season.

Ozil is unique because his skill-set is different from other CAMs. He is less of a goal-scorer (although he's on a hot streak at the moment) and less of a dribbler but his vision and ability to play the final ball is better than anyone. He is also less physical imposing than other number 10s.

I can't think of any current number 10 or anyone from the previous generations who are/were similar to Ozil in terms of playing style and attributes.

Overall, he is limited but when it comes to his strengths, he is in a league of his own.

 

[Mamoon]

So you are saying he is a footballing version of , but is one who has actually achieved his potential.

Lol, interesting analogy.

 

[Rayyman]

That is a vert uneducated way of looking at things. As a player, you are judged at your best traits and not your overall utility.

Ozil's vision and ability to make assists is best in the world.

Using this logic, Vidal is a better midfielder than Xavi because he can do more things than Xavi; he can score goals and also defend better, and he is stronger and quicker too, while Xavi is only better than him at passing and playmaking.

I never said that Ozil is bad. I was saying that Ozil is just good at passing and there are many players like that. Which is why he isn't unique. His play style is similar to other players. The only players that are unique and incomparable are Messi and Ronaldo.

 

[Rayyman]

Hazard has more freedom under Conte and he is playing closer to goal. He is too good a player to be restricted on the LW and that is what happened in the second season under Mourinho.

Hazard will be sublime as a number 10/CAM and I am not thinking of his brother who is good but not in his league. Everyone sucked at Chelsea last season, unfair to judge Hazard on that.

His playmaking is restricted on the LW, but its good to see him get more freedom this season.

Ozil is unique because his skill-set is different from other CAMs. He is less of a goal-scorer (although he's on a hot streak at the moment) and less of a dribbler but his vision and ability to play the final ball is better than anyone. He is also less physical imposing than other number 10s.

I can't think of any current number 10 or anyone from the previous generations who are/were similar to Ozil in terms of playing style and attributes.

Overall, he is limited but when it comes to his strengths, he is in a league of his own.

Yea you're right Ozil is the best 10 in the world, but Hazard won't be that good at 10. He's not a great passer. As WC Passion said, he won't be someone who will pull of fantastic assists game after game, but he can be Top 5 in scoring. You'd rather have your 10 play as a passer than a scorer.

 

[WC-Passion]

Hazard has more freedom under Conte and he is playing closer to goal. He is too good a player to be restricted on the LW and that is what happened in the second season under Mourinho.

Hazard will be sublime as a number 10/CAM and I am not thinking of his brother who is good but not in his league. Everyone sucked at Chelsea last season, unfair to judge Hazard on that.

His playmaking is restricted on the LW, but its good to see him get more freedom this season.

Ozil is unique because his skill-set is different from other CAMs. He is less of a goal-scorer (although he's on a hot streak at the moment) and less of a dribbler but his vision and ability to play the final ball is better than anyone. He is also less physical imposing than other number 10s.

I can't think of any current number 10 or anyone from the previous generations who are/were similar to Ozil in terms of playing style and attributes.

Overall, he is limited but when it comes to his strengths, he is in a league of his own.

Agreed on the fact that he has more freedom and is playing closer to goal, but it's also because his lazy attitude doesn't catch him out and Marcos Alonso is there to do the dirty work for him.

I disagree about Thorgan, he has a better (goals&assists/to game ratio) record than him this season and last season, so he's definetly not leagues better than him, but has some way to go yet despite this.

The playmaking on the LW would be good for him if only he had good crossing, he had everything else in his locker to play at his best there. Though this LF role is working wonders so I don't mind.

Would you say that Ozil is a better passer of the ball than the likes of Messi and Iniesta? Imo them two are the best passers in world football and their record speaks for itself, infact, Messi in particular after his insane False 9 days, is contributing with assists much more than goals throughout the season.

Ozil is fantastic but he can go missing for sure, though is still better than someone like Fabregas in those sort of situations.

 

[Rayyman]

Thorgan is a little better at passing and defending than Eden, but Eden is much better at dribbling and shooting.

 

[Muhammad10]

Hazard is better in everything barring workrate and vision imo, I don't think it's that close atm.



Yeah if wants to score 25+ goals a season he definetly needs to start taking more set-pieces and getting into scoring positions frequently. His finishing against Burnley for example was quite lazy other than that one goal, he had plenty of chances to even get a hatrick.

Coutinho will probably be bought by Barcelona honestly, they need someone to replace Iniesta as their little magician, and Coutinho can do that.

Looks like Hazard has been reading the forum.

 

[WC-Passion]

Looks like Hazard has been reading the forum.

Lol, took a page out of Shafiq's book.

In all seriousness, the goals he scored were more due to his quick passing and cutting inside from the wing to score, like he did in 14/15.

That's mainly why I believe he's playing more LW/LF than as a CAM.

The great thing about this 3-4-3 system is that it's the perfect balance of defence and attack. Going forward we usually have the option of 5-6 players, and while defending we do too. Not only this, it allows for players like Hazard to have the freedom they need to get us the goals.

Was nice to see Marcos Alonso get his first goal of the season, hope it gives him confidence going forward, as he's seen more of the defensive counterpart to Moses normally.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Rayyman]

Lol, took a page out of Shafiq's book.

In all seriousness, the goals he scored were more due to his quick passing and cutting inside from the wing to score, like he did in 14/15.

That's mainly why I believe he's playing more LW/LF than as a CAM.

The great thing about this 3-4-3 system is that it's the perfect balance of defence and attack. Going forward we usually have the option of 5-6 players, and while defending we do too. Not only this, it allows for players like Hazard to have the freedom they need to get us the goals.

Was nice to see Marcos Alonso get his first goal of the season, hope it gives him confidence going forward, as he's seen more of the defensive counterpart to Moses normally.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Yo I'm playing Seasons in FIFA. Not sure if I should play 3-4-3 w/Willian and Hazard as wingers or 3-4-2-1 w/Willian and Hazard as forwards. Whadda u think?

 

[MMHS]

Coutiniho as good as Zico? Relax yourself bro.

Potentially - you missed the 2 critical conditions - shooting skills from outside box & distribution in attacking 3rd. Also, At the age of 23, Zico had just debuted for Brazil. He never played in top European club either (just 2 years at Udinese).

There is a remarkable similarity between the 2 player's style, but Zico had wonderful shooting skills, Cout wastes too many chances for long efforts. Zico's scoring rate was higher because he took penalties, & he was brilliant free-kick scorer (Cout as well, but not that level yet). If he can improve those 2 aspect of his game, he indeed can match any classical Brazil No. 10.

 

[MMHS]

Potentially - you missed the 2 critical conditions - shooting skills from outside box & distribution in attacking 3rd. Also, At the age of 23, Zico had just debuted for Brazil. He never played in top European club either (just 2 years at Udinese).

There is a remarkable similarity between the 2 player's style, but Zico had wonderful shooting skills, Cout wastes too many chances for long efforts. Zico's scoring rate was higher because he took penalties, & he was brilliant free-kick scorer (Cout as well, but not that level yet). If he can improve those 2 aspect of his game, he indeed can match any classical Brazil No. 10.

Also, the man who tipped of the start at centre with Zico maximum time (Careca, the No. 9, in a 433 classical Brazilian system, they started together 50+ times for Brazil) found most similarities between Countinho with Zico.

At same age both players are remarkably similar in structure - 172 CM & around 68-69 KG.

 

[Hasan123]

Potentially - you missed the 2 critical conditions - shooting skills from outside box & distribution in attacking 3rd. Also, At the age of 23, Zico had just debuted for Brazil. He never played in top European club either (just 2 years at Udinese).

There is a remarkable similarity between the 2 player's style, but Zico had wonderful shooting skills, Cout wastes too many chances for long efforts. Zico's scoring rate was higher because he took penalties, & he was brilliant free-kick scorer (Cout as well, but not that level yet). If he can improve those 2 aspect of his game, he indeed can match any classical Brazil No. 10.

Coutiniho wasn't even getting in the Brazil squad till recently so I don't understand how you think he can be as good as Zico.

Coutiniho isn't even that good at free kicks and yes he does need to stop being so wasteful.

Overall Coutiniho won't even be the best number 10 of this era never mind be compared to Zico.

Hazard,Kdb, ozil, will all have better careers than Coutiniho imo.

 

[MMHS]

Coutiniho wasn't even getting in the Brazil squad till recently so I don't understand how you think he can be as good as Zico.

Coutiniho isn't even that good at free kicks and yes he does need to stop being so wasteful.

Overall Coutiniho won't even be the best number 10 of this era never mind be compared to Zico.

Hazard,Kdb, ozil, will all have better careers than Coutiniho imo.

Coutinho debuted for Brazil at 19, now has 21 Caps. And Zico wasn't the best No. 10 of his time either - Platini, Maradona & in fact Fransiscoli was also there.

I am not saying he'll be as good as Zico, but he has the potential to be there. If he joins Barca next year, whole world will say different things for him.

 

[Hasan123]

Coutinho debuted for Brazil at 19, now has 21 Caps. And Zico wasn't the best No. 10 of his time either - Platini, Maradona & in fact Fransiscoli was also there.

I am not saying he'll be as good as Zico, but he has the potential to be there. If he joins Barca next year, whole world will say different things for him.

That's not a lot of caps most of them he hasn't even started.

Yes playing with Messi,Suarez, and Neymar will improve. Don't think he will leave Liverpool yet.

 

[WC-Passion]

Yo I'm playing Seasons in FIFA. Not sure if I should play 3-4-3 w/Willian and Hazard as wingers or 3-4-2-1 w/Willian and Hazard as forwards. Whadda u think?

I'd say 3-4-3 with wingers, lot more balanced at it will help you defensively too. 3-4-2-1 is too much imo.

Personally don't like 3/5 at the back on FIFA, 4-3-3(4) is the best in the game imo.

 

[Rayyman]

I'd say 3-4-3 with wingers, lot more balanced at it will help you defensively too. 3-4-2-1 is too much imo.

Personally don't like 3/5 at the back on FIFA, 4-3-3(4) is the best in the game imo.

Yeah I thought the same, but I got used to it.

 

[PakLFC]

How good would Chelsea be without Hazard? Liverpool I feel would still perform very well without Coutinho starting.

 

[Muhammad10]

How good would Chelsea be without Hazard? Liverpool I feel would still perform very well without Coutinho starting.

Hazard is undoubtedly a massive attacking threat for us, along with Costa, but I suppose Liverpool aren't overly reliant on Coutinho largely due to their insane depth in attack.

Both of them bring great qualities to their team, but Hazard is more important to his team for the time being, as his current form gives him the edge, coupled with our relatively inferior attacking depth.

 

[PakLFC]

Hazard is undoubtedly a massive attacking threat for us, along with Costa, but I suppose Liverpool aren't overly reliant on Coutinho largely due to their insane depth in attack.

Both of them bring great qualities to their team, but Hazard is more important to his team for the time being, as his current form gives him the edge, coupled with our relatively inferior attacking depth.

I agree. Hazard is more important to Chelsea then Coutinho is to us. Jurgen's net spending is still negative, wonder what he'll do if handed even £50 million in transfer funds. I am beginning to dream

 

[WC-Passion]

I agree. Hazard is more important to Chelsea then Coutinho is to us. Jurgen's net spending is still negative, wonder what he'll do if handed even £50 million in transfer funds. I am beginning to dream

He doesn't spend all that much on one player, don't get too excited. I don't understand why Liverpool didn't get a LB to this day, Jetro Willems, Ricardo Rodriguez and Hector were all there for reasonable prices.

 

[PakLFC]

He doesn't spend all that much on one player, don't get too excited. I don't understand why Liverpool didn't get a LB to this day, Jetro Willems, Ricardo Rodriguez and Hector were all there for reasonable prices.

Of course there is reason to get excited. When the likes of Man Utd are paying 89 for Pogba Liverpool are playing great Football with more or less the team that Brendan Rodgers left behind. It is good that Jurgen does not overspend. he makes not buys superstars.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I rate Eden more he sets up more and scores goals too

 

[Muhammad10]

I rate Eden more he sets up more and scores goals too

Hazard has always had Neymar-esque potential (apart from being a less consistent goalscorer).

Great to see him thriving again under Conte after Jose's terrible system stifled his natural game.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Hazard has always had Neymar-esque potential (apart from being a less consistent goalscorer).

Great to see him thriving again under Conte after Jose's terrible system stifled his natural game.

He does finally look back to his best form
I can only wish him all the best

 

[WC-Passion]

Of course there is reason to get excited. When the likes of Man Utd are paying 89 for Pogba Liverpool are playing great Football with more or less the team that Brendan Rodgers left behind. It is good that Jurgen does not overspend. he makes not buys superstars.

Well Mane and Matip have been BIG players for Liverpool, Matip at the back instead of the erratic Škrtel or Sakho, and Mane uptop has helped Liverpool to title contender level. Without them, Liverpool were quite inconsistent.

 

[Muhammad10]

Sigh. Coutinho scores a screamer from outside the box against Argentina. Definition of a one-dimensional goal-scorer.

 

[PakLFC]

Well Mane and Matip have been BIG players for Liverpool, Matip at the back instead of the erratic Škrtel or Sakho, and Mane uptop has helped Liverpool to title contender level. Without them, Liverpool were quite inconsistent.

Point is that compared to most Liverpool have spent nothing. They cost around £35 million between them. Every side would be much worse if the lost certain . Chelsea would greatly suffer without Hazard and even Costa. We are scoring freely thanks to Klopp's attacking philosophy.

 

[WC-Passion]

Point is that compared to most Liverpool have spent nothing. They cost around £35 million between them. Every side would be much worse if the lost certain . Chelsea would greatly suffer without Hazard and even Costa. We are scoring freely thanks to Klopp's attacking philosophy.

So? You could say the same about our backline, Terry,Cahill,Moses and Matic looked terrible last season and Conte's philosophy has competely changed that.

Everyone was saying that they should retire/sold and that they're time at Chelsea is gone, but without even getting ANY of his defensive options he wanted (other than maybe Alonso considering he was from Serie A) in the summer he has made us have the best defense in the league at the moment.

People say Chelsea just gave Conte a massive warchest, but in reality, Conte doesn't even have control over transfers, which is why Michy for example, was bought.

Liverpool spent £69.90m this season, which is a pretty decent figure, but I feel like if Milner gets injured, Liverpool will leak goals with Moreno at LB, which might make you lot regret not buying a LB and actually spending around £15-25m more.