"He is one-eyed while your Lord is not one-eyed"

[KingKhanWC]

Sahih al-Bukhari 7408

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah did not send any prophet but that he warned his nation of the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). He is one-eyed while your Lord is not one-eyed, The word 'Kafir' (unbeliever) is written between his two eyes."

Many Muslims believe his time is near. Im not convinced either way and would prefer Im gone before he arrives.

Jews also believe the Messiah is set to return.

Christians also believe the end of days are approaching.


Please post your views on Dajjal and the Messiah on this thread.

1- The word “Dajjal” became a title given to the lying, one-eyed, false messiah. The Dajjal is so called because he will conceal his kufr from the people by lying to them, deceiving them and confusing them. 2- The Dajjal (al-Masih al-Dajjal) is the liar who leads people astray, the messiah of misguidance who will tempt people by means of the signs that he is given, such as bringing down rain, reviving the earth to bring forth vegetation, and other “miracles.” For more, see the detailed answer.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/8806/who-is-the-dajjal-comprehensive-answer

 

[Champ_Pal]

How can Jesus comeback when he has been dead for 1400 years?

 

[sweep_shot]

How can Jesus comeback when he has been dead for 1400 years?

In Islam, we don't believe he (PBUH) died.

He was taken up. He will come again to kill antichrist/Dajjal and die naturally.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sahih al-Bukhari 7408

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah did not send any prophet but that he warned his nation of the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). He is one-eyed while your Lord is not one-eyed, The word 'Kafir' (unbeliever) is written between his two eyes."

Many Muslims believe his time is near. Im not convinced either way and would prefer Im gone before he arrives.

Jews also believe the Messiah is set to return.

Christians also believe the end of days are approaching.


Please post your views on Dajjal and the Messiah on this thread.



https://islamqa.info/en/answers/8806/who-is-the-dajjal-comprehensive-answer

Subhanallah.

My views are consistent with orthodox Islamic views. I believe in Quran and Sunnah.

Dajjal will be killed at the gate of Ludd (which is in modern day Israel).

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

How can Jesus comeback when he has been dead for 1400 years?

Lol were you trying to be ignorant in every way? You even got number of years wrong

 

[KingKhanWC]

Subhanallah.

My views are consistent with orthodox Islamic views. I believe in Quran and Sunnah.

Dajjal will be killed at the gate of Ludd (which is in modern day Israel).

No bigger blessing than to accept the Quran and Sunnah in ones heart.

This thread is also for the return of the Jewish Messiah.

Many have no idea Zionists in Israel are and have been working for a long time to plant the seeds, to mow the lawn and set a land for their Messiah to arrive.

Muslims believe this Messiah will fool them and will actually be the Dajjal. Interesting the word Dajjal means something like 'to cover', 'conceal'(bad)and Israel is the biggest deceiver in modern history.

Check this out. Netanyahu who has been in power on/off for decades and will return to power talking to a Messianic Rabbi.

 

[Champ_Pal]

In Islam, we don't believe he (PBUH) died.

He was taken up. He will come again to kill antichrist/Dajjal and die naturally.

Is Jesus already in heaven? I thought all Prophets are humans and they died like humans.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No bigger blessing than to accept the Quran and Sunnah in ones heart.

This thread is also for the return of the Jewish Messiah.

Many have no idea Zionists in Israel are and have been working for a long time to plant the seeds, to mow the lawn and set a land for their Messiah to arrive.

Muslims believe this Messiah will fool them and will actually be the Dajjal. Interesting the word Dajjal means something like 'to cover', 'conceal'(bad)and Israel is the biggest deceiver in modern history.

Check this out. Netanyahu who has been in power on/off for decades and will return to power talking to a Messianic Rabbi.

Isn't it blasphemous to call Jewish Messiah as Dajjal?

 

[sweep_shot]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]


Some hadiths regarding Dajjal:

There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him. (Sahih Muslim 2943a)


The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Ad-Dajjal will come to Medina and find the angels guarding it. So Allah willing, neither Ad-Dajjal, nor plague will be able to come near it." (Sahih Bukhari 7134)


If anyone learns by heart the first ten verses of the Surah al-Kahf, he will be protected from the Dajjal. (Sahih Muslim 809a)


The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls. (Sahih Muslim 2944)


Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said:
"The Hour shall not be established until nearly thirty imposters, Dajjal appear, each of them claiming that he is the Messenger of Allah." (Tirmidhi 2218)


Mujammi' bin Jariyah Al-Ansari said:
"I heard the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) saying: 'Eisa bin Maryam will kill the Dajjal at the gate of Ludd.'" (Tirmidhi 2244)


Umm Sharik (May Allah be pleased with her) reported:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "People will run away from Dajjal (the Antichrist) seeking shelter in the mountains." (Riyad as-Salihin 1813)


"The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: 'The Dajjal (False Christ) is blind in his left eye and has abundant hair. With him will be a Paradise and a Hell, but his Hell is Paradise and his Paradise is Hell.'" (Ibn Majah 4071).

 

[sweep_shot]

Is Jesus already in heaven? I thought all Prophets are humans and they died like humans.

He was taken up. Special circumstance.

He will be returned to Earth to kill Dajjal, finish his life, and die naturally.

This is the mainstream Islamic view.

 

[sweep_shot]

No bigger blessing than to accept the Quran and Sunnah in ones heart.

This thread is also for the return of the Jewish Messiah.

Many have no idea Zionists in Israel are and have been working for a long time to plant the seeds, to mow the lawn and set a land for their Messiah to arrive.

Muslims believe this Messiah will fool them and will actually be the Dajjal. Interesting the word Dajjal means something like 'to cover', 'conceal'(bad)and Israel is the biggest deceiver in modern history.

Check this out. Netanyahu who has been in power on/off for decades and will return to power talking to a Messianic Rabbi.

Yeah.

This is why I mentioned on another thread that there is a possible connection between Dajjal and Zionism/Israel.

Freemasonry, Dajjal, Israel - these are all connected perhaps.

 

[Champ_Pal]

He was taken up. Special circumstance.

He will be returned to Earth to kill Dajjal, finish his life, and die naturally.

This is the mainstream Islamic view.

Could it be because he is Son of God himself? Why the special treatment for Jesus if he is just a human like the rest of us?
A lot of things do not add up for me with the rising to heaven to story.

 

[sweep_shot]

Could it be because he is Son of God himself? Why the special treatment for Jesus if he is just a human like the rest of us?
A lot of things do not add up for me with the rising to heaven to story.

No. That doesn't mean he is the son of God. He is a Prophet of God (peace be upon him).

Taking up also happened to prophet Idris/Enoch (PBUH). He was taken up and he died there. You can read about it here: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/136...tation-raising-in-a-literal-or-symbolic-sense.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No. That doesn't mean he is the son of God. He is a Prophet of God (peace be upon him).

Taking up also happened to prophet Idris/Enoch (PBUH). He was taken up and he died there. You can read about it here: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/136...tation-raising-in-a-literal-or-symbolic-sense.

When Muslims say Jesus did not die on the cross, aren't Muslims committing Blasphemy?

 

[sweep_shot]

When Muslims say Jesus did not die on the cross, aren't Muslims committing Blasphemy?

Why would it be blasphemy? Blasphemy would be if we don't believe in what Islam says.

We believe Bible has been altered/distorted. Original Bible no longer exists. Also, Quran is the latest revelation.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

When Muslims say Jesus did not die on the cross, aren't Muslims committing Blasphemy?

It explicitly states He (AS) didn't

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah.

This is why I mentioned on another thread that there is a possible connection between Dajjal and Zionism/Israel.

Freemasonry, Dajjal, Israel - these are all connected perhaps.

No doubt about it.

Zionism is the establishment of a Jewish state. According to Judaism the Jews are in Exile but can return when the Messiah arrives and the temple is built. But Zionists have decided to not wait but bring this about by their own actions. The first action was the Balfour declaration WW1. Europe was used to take down the Ottoman empire, take Palestine. Jewish terrorism then made it impossible for any co-existence with Palestinians.

Zionists also have a Satanic mindset, they are not Jewish or follow Judaism, which is why they are often in the occult.

 

[sweep_shot]

No doubt about it.

Zionism is the establishment of a Jewish state. According to Judaism the Jews are in Exile but can return when the Messiah arrives and the temple is built. But Zionists have decided to not wait but bring this about by their own actions. The first action was the Balfour declaration WW1. Europe was used to take down the Ottoman empire, take Palestine. Jewish terrorism then made it impossible for any co-existence with Palestinians.

Zionists also have a Satanic mindset, they are not Jewish or follow Judaism, which is why they are often in the occult.

I agree.

State of Israel is opposed by certain Jews also. They are called Neturei Karta.

Check here:

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why would it be blasphemy? Blasphemy would be if we don't believe in what Islam says.

We believe Bible has been altered/distorted. Original Bible no longer exists. Also, Quran is the latest revelation.

It is blasphemy. Christians will be outraged by it.

If someone says Prophet Muhammad is not a prophet and he is just a merchant in Arabia, how would Muslims feel?

Why should Islam involve Christianity and Judaism when they have their own religion? Can’t you have your own religion without telling others are wrong?

 

[sweep_shot]

It is blasphemy. Christians will be outraged by it.

If someone says Prophet Muhammad is not a prophet and he is just a merchant in Arabia, how would Muslims feel?

Why should Islam involve Christianity and Judaism when they have their own religion? Can’t you have your own religion without telling others are wrong?

Are you a Christian or a Jew? If not, why does it matter to you?

That's our belief. If you don't like it, that's too bad.

We believe original Bible and original Torah were from God too. However, Quran is the latest revelation.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is blasphemy. Christians will be outraged by it.

If someone says Prophet Muhammad is not a prophet and he is just a merchant in Arabia, how would Muslims feel?

Why should Islam involve Christianity and Judaism when they have their own religion? Can’t you have your own religion without telling others are wrong?

Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet in Islam too. We Muslims probably respect and care about Jesus (PBUH) more than actual Christians.

In western countries, media often makes fun of religion and Jesus (PBUH). We Muslims never do that.

 

[Major]

I believe this will happen many thousand years later. Not gonna happen in our life time.

I assume that for the world to end, it would need scientific backing, like global warming at peak or the galaxy entering nearer the sun. Miracles wont lead to the world ending, so the clock has already been set by God.

As for Dajjal, it would be interesting as people would be convinced he is being truthful. Now does Dajjal have to be in human form or could it be an AI gaining self consciousness. Do the likes of Dajjal gain power over something that is run on AI?

Also, will Jesus return as being born as a baby and growing up? Or would he return in his own body? Also how will Imam Mehdi appear and will Gibreal communicate with him?

I find it interesting that how Imam Mehdi will believe and accept that he is the Imam during a time when miracles dont happen and people have moved on from faith. How will he convince the people.

These thing do interest me, but whats worrisome is how will we decide who to choose to believe. Imam mehdi or dajjal, because the decision to choose whom to follow would be with the people.

 

[sweep_shot]

Also, will Jesus return as being born as a baby and growing up? Or would he return in his own body? Also how will Imam Mehdi appear and will Gibreal communicate with him?

I find it interesting that how Imam Mehdi will believe and accept that he is the Imam during a time when miracles dont happen and people have moved on from faith. How will he convince the people.

These thing do interest me, but whats worrisome is how will we decide who to choose to believe. Imam mehdi or dajjal, because the decision to choose whom to follow would be with the people.

Are you saying Muslims will not be practicing at that time? I don't think so.

Check the mainstream view about 2nd coming of Jesus (PBUH) here: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/43148/the-muslims-beliefs-concerning-the-messiah-eesa-ibn-maryam.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree.

State of Israel is opposed by certain Jews also. They are called Neturei Karta.

Yes they are a very small group sadly but their arguments are very strong, using scripture to confirm acc to Judaism Israel should NOT exist.

Islam and Judaism both agree this coming person will be a Jewish man. The difference is Muslims believe he will be a impersonator.

Also the one eye symbolism is seen everywhere in modern western and other cultures.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I hope the era of Dajjal arrives after I am gone. Cause it will be the biggest fitna and insanely trying times.
Our beloved Prophet SAW also advised to pray for not living through that era of the great fitna (or something along the lines).

The era of Dajjal is nearer than it has ever been and that's the scariest thing.

Although I do believe there is still time for that to happen as there have been some big signs that have not come out yet.

It will also be the era where Makkah and Madina would have become barren.

But I do believe Israel is amongst the biggest evils in the world.

It is also possible that Israel may again fall and be taken up by Muslims and Muslims may rule over it before it falling back to Zionists and stuff. We can't be certain over it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I believe this will happen many thousand years later. Not gonna happen in our life time.

I assume that for the world to end, it would need scientific backing, like global warming at peak or the galaxy entering nearer the sun. Miracles wont lead to the world ending, so the clock has already been set by God.

As for Dajjal, it would be interesting as people would be convinced he is being truthful. Now does Dajjal have to be in human form or could it be an AI gaining self consciousness. Do the likes of Dajjal gain power over something that is run on AI?

Also, will Jesus return as being born as a baby and growing up? Or would he return in his own body? Also how will Imam Mehdi appear and will Gibreal communicate with him?

I find it interesting that how Imam Mehdi will believe and accept that he is the Imam during a time when miracles dont happen and people have moved on from faith. How will he convince the people.

These thing do interest me, but whats worrisome is how will we decide who to choose to believe. Imam mehdi or dajjal, because the decision to choose whom to follow would be with the people.

I don't how you can make a prediction of thousands of years.

Well there will be clear signs about Mahdi which will be used to identify him. The first thing is his name will be Muhammad and his father's name will be Abdullah. He will be born and raised. Some scholars say that he would be an imperfect human and will repent heavily in Makkah when Allah will forgive him and appoint him the Mahdi. He would initially be reluctant to take the title and would go to Madinah in seclusion where people will find him and ask him to lead the Muslims. He will go back to Makkah where the group of Muslims will do bait and ask him to lead and he will agree.

It is said that once he will be chosen as a leader, the armies (from Syria?) will be tasked to take him down and during their passage they would be engulfed by the land/earth (a big identifier that he will indeed be the Mahdi). Once the armies are taken down, lashkars from Khorasan will march towards him in support bearing flags and pledge their allegiance to them. (Khorasan is currently a province in Iran, according to old maps, Khorasan constitutes some area of Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and India).

Then the monarchies of the Arab world will surrender their powers and Mahdi will unite the Muslim world. After which 7 deadly wars will be fought where there would be humongous loss of life and bloodshed. (99 out 100 people would die from a tribe). Once those wars end, Dajjal will announce himself to the world as the savior(false) travelling the world curing the ill, bestowing wealth and stuff among those who will call him as their savior and destroy those who will reject him(pretty clear to see how the superpowers of the world alongside media plays that role by making some countries/people villains and stuff).

It is also said that before appearance of Dajjal, there will be intense shortage of rain and food which will play into his hands as it will induce desperation among the world. According to one narration, I also read that Prophet SAW said that Dajjal's mule will have a very big wingspan and will be fed fire in his belly (sounds a lot like airplanes honestly) don't know how authentic that narration is though.

Majority of the world will start following the Antichrist, while true believers will be left very few in number. Muslims (it is said true believers of Christianity and Judaism would see the signs and join Mahdi in his battle) would be on the receiving end, then on one night in Assyria, during the time of Fajr prayers, takbeer would be called, (The Antichrist would be waiting with his grand army outside the field/mosque to unleash his attack on the meagre amount of the believers that would be left. It is said this would happen in Ummayid Mosque in Syria when Allah will send (Jesus PBUH resting his hands on the shoulders of angels descending from the minaret (there's a Tower of Isa in Umayyid Masjid as well, you can google it) and he would be a grown man wearing golden robes who will join the prayer. Mahdi will immediately recognize him and ask him to lead the prayer but he will tell him that he led the Takbeer so he should lead the prayer, once Fajr prayers are done, Hazrat Isa will command the Muslim army against The antichrist whose enormous army will just fizzle out after the sight of our beloved Prophet Isa. He will kill him at Bab e Ludd in Israel(said to be an airport) and usher the era of peace where Mahdi would be the ruler first who will die and afterwards Isa PBUH will become the leader, live his life and die. It is also said after the defeat of Dajjal, there will be a time when Gog and Magog will appear and cause wide scale corruption on earth but will be miraculously killed by arrows coming from the sky.

 

[PakLFC]

Yes the Dajjal will be one eyed. We see that the one eyed sign is everywhere now a days signifying that most celebrities follow the devil. We are told that it will be Hadrat Isa(as) who will eventually kill him. From what I understand the Arab world will be completely destroyed for it's sinful acts.

 

[pillionrider]

Are you a Christian or a Jew? If not, why does it matter to you?

That's our belief. If you don't like it, that's too bad.

Please practice this the next time someone insults Islam or your Prophet.

 

[sweep_shot]

Please practice this the next time someone insults Islam or your Prophet.

I haven't used insults at all. Insults should always be condemned.

You are confusing belief with insult.

If a non-Muslim thinks Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not a real prophet, that's his belief (not necessarily an insult). Insult would be to draw a derogatory cartoon.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't how you can make a prediction of thousands of years.

Well there will be clear signs about Mahdi which will be used to identify him. The first thing is his name will be Muhammad and his father's name will be Abdullah. He will be born and raised. Some scholars say that he would be an imperfect human and will repent heavily in Makkah when Allah will forgive him and appoint him the Mahdi. He would initially be reluctant to take the title and would go to Madinah in seclusion where people will find him and ask him to lead the Muslims. He will go back to Makkah where the group of Muslims will do bait and ask him to lead and he will agree.

It is said that once he will be chosen as a leader, the armies (from Syria?) will be tasked to take him down and during their passage they would be engulfed by the land/earth (a big identifier that he will indeed be the Mahdi). Once the armies are taken down, lashkars from Khorasan will march towards him in support bearing flags and pledge their allegiance to them. (Khorasan is currently a province in Iran, according to old maps, Khorasan constitutes some area of Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and India).

Then the monarchies of the Arab world will surrender their powers and Mahdi will unite the Muslim world. After which 7 deadly wars will be fought where there would be humongous loss of life and bloodshed. (99 out 100 people would die from a tribe). Once those wars end, Dajjal will announce himself to the world as the savior(false) travelling the world curing the ill, bestowing wealth and stuff among those who will call him as their savior and destroy those who will reject him(pretty clear to see how the superpowers of the world alongside media plays that role by making some countries/people villains and stuff).

It is also said that before appearance of Dajjal, there will be intense shortage of rain and food which will play into his hands as it will induce desperation among the world. According to one narration, I also read that Prophet SAW said that Dajjal's mule will have a very big wingspan and will be fed fire in his belly (sounds a lot like airplanes honestly) don't know how authentic that narration is though.

Majority of the world will start following the Antichrist, while true believers will be left very few in number. Muslims (it is said true believers of Christianity and Judaism would see the signs and join Mahdi in his battle) would be on the receiving end, then on one night in Assyria, during the time of Fajr prayers, takbeer would be called, (The Antichrist would be waiting with his grand army outside the field/mosque to unleash his attack on the meagre amount of the believers that would be left. It is said this would happen in Ummayid Mosque in Syria when Allah will send (Jesus PBUH resting his hands on the shoulders of angels descending from the minaret (there's a Tower of Isa in Umayyid Masjid as well, you can google it) and he would be a grown man wearing golden robes who will join the prayer. Mahdi will immediately recognize him and ask him to lead the prayer but he will tell him that he led the Takbeer so he should lead the prayer, once Fajr prayers are done, Hazrat Isa will command the Muslim army against The antichrist whose enormous army will just fizzle out after the sight of our beloved Prophet Isa. He will kill him at Bab e Ludd in Israel(said to be an airport) and usher the era of peace where Mahdi would be the ruler first who will die and afterwards Isa PBUH will become the leader, live his life and die. It is also said after the defeat of Dajjal, there will be a time when Gog and Magog will appear and cause wide scale corruption on earth but will be miraculously killed by arrows coming from the sky.

Good post. I agree.

By the way, I think you got the Gog and Magog part slightly wrong. They will be killed by worms (as per Hadith). See below:

"Gog and Magog people dig every day until, when they can almost see the rays of the sun, the one in charge of them says: "Go back and we will dig it tomorrow." Then Allah puts it back, stronger than it was before. (This will continue) until, when their time has come, and Allah wants to send them against the people, they will dig until they can almost see the rays of the sun, then the one who is in charge of them will say: "Go back, and we will dig it tomorrow if Allah wills.' So they will say: "If Allah wills." Then they will come back to it and it will be as they left it. So they will dig and will come out to the people, and they will drink all the water. The people will fortify themselves against them in their fortresses. They will shoot their arrows towards the sky and they will come back with blood on them, and they will say: "We have defeated the people of earth and dominated the people of heaven." Then Allah will send a worm in the napes of their necks and will kill them thereby.'" The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the beasts of the earth will grow fat on their flesh." (Reference: Ibn Majah 4080).

 

[cricketjoshila]

In Islam, we don't believe he (PBUH) died.

He was taken up. He will come again to kill antichrist/Dajjal and die naturally.

I read that Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle. While Islam forbids alcohol.

 

[sweep_shot]

I read that Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle. While Islam forbids alcohol.

Different prophets (peace be upon them) had different rulings from God.

For example, during Prophet Yusuf's (AS) time, it was okay to prostate in front of others as a sign of respect. But, that was forbidden during Muhammad's (PBUH) time as it was considered as shirk.

Also, alcohol was permissible during early days of Islam. It was made prohibited later on.

 

[pillionrider]

If a non-Muslim thinks Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was not a real prophet, that's his belief (not necessarily an insult). Insult would be to draw a derogatory cartoon.

Well, a person who doesn't believe might want to draw a cartoon for example. Their lack of belief will now threaten your belief. If you used the same principle that you stated earlier, you would just go about your belief ignoring their lack of belief. Why take it as an insult and act upon it?

 

[sweep_shot]

Well, a person who doesn't believe might want to draw a cartoon for example. Their lack of belief will now threaten your belief. If you used the same principle that you stated earlier, you would just go about your belief ignoring their lack of belief. Why take it as an insult and act upon it?

Again, you are confusing belief with insult.

If a person doesn't believe in a particular religion, that's not an insult. That's his belief.

But, if a person mocks the religion or the religion's prophet, that's a whole different ball game.

 

[pillionrider]

Again, you are confusing belief with insult.

If a person doesn't believe in a particular religion, that's not an insult. That's his belief.

But, if a person mocks the religion or the religion's prophet, that's a whole different ball game.

Let me give you an example. I don't believe Modi is a capable PM. I once voted for him though, but I've changed my views. So when a Modi supporter loudly proclaims that he is the chosen one, I feel compelled to counter this. I might also insult Modi in the process. So long as I haven't attempted to harm Modi or his supporter in real life, why should it matter to the supporter. Why can't they live with the smug contentment that he remains PM and my lack of belief in him is my loss, because I spend the days disgruntled and unhappy, whereas they are on an onward journey to prosperity and a better life.

Now apply that to your faith.

 

[Robert]

It is blasphemy. Christians will be outraged by it.

If someone says Prophet Muhammad is not a prophet and he is just a merchant in Arabia, how would Muslims feel?

Why should Islam involve Christianity and Judaism when they have their own religion? Can’t you have your own religion without telling others are wrong?

Proper Bible scholars know this. They can tell you when a part of the Old Testament was edited, by whom, and for what political reason.

The Council of Nicaea also left several Gospels of Jesus out - notably the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary - the latter because the patriarchal Pauline cult didn’t want Mary to be remembered as one of the Disciples. It would have made women more powerful in the church and they couldn’t have that.

Most Christians don’t know this stuff and would be offended to hear it.

Within Christianity there is a school of thought which posits Islam as a Christian heresy like Arianism and Albigensianism - albeit a politically more successful one.

 

[daytrader]

I read that Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle. While Islam forbids alcohol.

The holy Quran was revealed over a span of 23 years. Alcohol wasn't forbidden in the early days of islam

 

[Romali_rotti]

Proper Bible scholars know this. They can tell you when a part of the Old Testament was edited, by whom, and for what political reason.

The Council of Nicaea also left several Gospels of Jesus out - notably the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary - the latter because the patriarchal Pauline cult didn’t want Mary to be remembered as one of the Disciples. It would have made women more powerful in the church and they couldn’t have that.

Most Christians don’t know this stuff and would be offended to hear it.

Within Christianity there is a school of thought which posits Islam as a Christian heresy like Arianism and Albigensianism - albeit a politically more successful one.

I find the stories quite fascinating, about the Abhrahamic gods, basically the gods of the Arabs and Jews..

However out of all the Abhrahamic faiths, Christianity is my favorite, despite Constantine having erased and edited a lot of the old Christian text to suit his narrative. I like the message of forgiveness and love thy neighbor, it is such a powerful message.

 

[Robert]

I find the stories quite fascinating, about the Abhrahamic gods, basically the gods of the Arabs and Jews..

However out of all the Abhrahamic faiths, Christianity is my favorite, despite Constantine having erased and edited a lot of the old Christian text to suit his narrative. I like the message of forgiveness and love thy neighbor, it is such a powerful message.

It’s a very powerful idea, which is why Christianity has done so well for so long.

 

[MenInG]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

 

[cricketjoshila]

The holy Quran was revealed over a span of 23 years. Alcohol wasn't forbidden in the early days of islam

Didn't know this. Very interesting.

If i may ask, is there any mention in Islam if any of the companions or family mem9 of the prophet(PBUH) consumed alcohol and how did the prophet(PBUH) react to it?

Then why was it forbidden later?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

Thats why my brother, religion is called faith.

Its your faith in what a particular religion teaches or preaches that makes you a follower of that religion.

Matters of faith cannot be settled rationally.

 

[Technics 1210]

The West promotes Christianity as the all loving peaceful religion. While it is true that the Bible contains verses of love, respect, and honour, the fact is the crux of the Bible is hidden from society.

Just take a look at the verses in the Bible in relation to Homosexuality below. Punishable by death, and an abomination. There are other topics in the Bible on Slavery, working on the Sabbath day, touching the skin of a pig which are offences punishable by death. Stoning gets a mention too.

Of course, Christians will claim the their religion has moved on, but frankly this means that the message of Christianity has evolved, therefore not consistent with god's message.

Of course on the flip side, in the Middle East, the Quran and Islam are promoted as religion of peace, and Christianity as evil.

So, it's worth reading the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an before making such broad and fallacious claims.

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Leviticus 20:13

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-11

realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Romans 1:21-27

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

1 Kings 14:24

There were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord dispossessed before the sons of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12

He also put away the male cult prostitutes from the land and removed all the idols which his fathers had made.

2 Kings 23:7

He also broke down the houses of the male cult prostitutes which were in the house of the Lord, where the women were weaving hangings for the Asherah.

Genesis 19:4-8

Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him

Genesis 19:5-7

and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.” But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.

1 Corinthians 6:9

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Judges 19:16-24

Then behold, an old man was coming out of the field from his work at evening. Now the man was from the hill country of Ephraim, and he was staying in Gibeah, but the men of the place were Benjamites. And he lifted up his eyes and saw the traveler in the open square of the city; and the old man said, “Where are you going, and where do you come from?” He said to him, “We are passing from Bethlehem in Judah to the remote part of the hill country of Ephraim, for I am from there, and I went to Bethlehem in Judah. But I am now going to my house, and no man will take me into his house.

Romans 1:18-32

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-10

But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

Jude 1:7

just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Genesis 19:5

and they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.”

Deuteronomy 23:17

“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute.

Judges 19:22

While they were celebrating, behold, the men of the city, certain worthless fellows, surrounded the house, pounding the door; and they spoke to the owner of the house, the old man, saying, “Bring out the man who came into your house that we may have relations with him.”

1 Kings 22:46

The remnant of the sodomites who remained in the days of his father Asa, he expelled from the land.

Romans 1:26-27

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

1 Timothy 1:9

realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Genesis 1:27-28

God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

 

[Major]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

Simple and good post. Which is why i refrain from going into discussion of such topics.

The people who doesnt want to believe wont believe and the person who wants to believe in faith will continue to do so.

And you have rightly said, our daily lives have too many challenges to worry about

 

[Champ_Pal]

Different prophets (peace be upon them) had different rulings from God.

For example, during Prophet Yusuf's (AS) time, it was okay to prostate in front of others as a sign of respect. But, that was forbidden during Muhammad's (PBUH) time as it was considered as shirk.

Also, alcohol was permissible during early days of Islam. It was made prohibited later on.

So rules can change with time. Or God does not know the future and cannot make something comprehensive to suit for all times.

 

[Technics 1210]

God's law is eternal, he also gifted human beings with free-will, human's can do as they please, like legalize homosexuality, engage in acts of debauchery, etc. HUman's change the law, not God.

This is precisely why God's law is guidance to mankind.

 

[Champ_Pal]

God's law is eternal, he also gifted human beings with free-will, human's can do as they please, like legalize homosexuality, engage in acts of debauchery, etc. HUman's change the law, not God.

This is precisely why God's law is guidance to mankind.

Homosexuality is natural too. It is observed in animal kingdom and not just humans.

Humans are no different to animals in their biology. We breathe, we eat, we poop, we have sex just like every animal we find in the wild. Our natural instincts are to eat as much as we can, have as much sex as we can and have tons of babies. You can give it whatever name you want.
All the laws that are attributed to God are just man made so that we can live as a society with less confusion.

 

[Technics 1210]

Homosexuality is natural too. It is observed in animal kingdom and not just humans.

Yawn. So is rape and murder. Your point?

Humans have free-will, animals do not.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yawn. So is rape and murder. Your point?

Humans have free-will, animals do not.

Animals have more free will than humans. They do not have any societal laws to curb their primal urges.

My friend said Islam is called Deen-e-Fitrat. The natural religion. I find it exactly opposite to that.

 

[topspin]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

Simple and good post. Which is why i refrain from going into discussion of such topics.

The people who doesnt want to believe wont believe and the person who wants to believe in faith will continue to do so.

And you have rightly said, our daily lives have too many challenges to worry about

Agreed guys.

We should be united by humanity. I believe in Mahdi, Dajjal and Isa (AS) but there are bigger and more immediate concerns than conspiracy theories relating to Israel, Neom and stuff coming out of Russia Today.

 

[Technics 1210]

Animals have more free will than humans. They do not have any societal laws to curb their primal urges.

My friend said Islam is called Deen-e-Fitrat. The natural religion. I find it exactly opposite to that.

Now you are making stuff up. And yes, animals do not have societal laws, because they have no free will to create such laws. Animals follow a simple natural process - Eat, Breed, Kill, and Die. That's it.

You want to live like an animal, you are free to do so, free-will. Human's are the most intelligent life-forms on earth, due to free-will.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Now you are making stuff up. And yes, animals do not have societal laws, because they have no free will to create such laws. Animals follow a simple natural process - Eat, Breed, Kill, and Die. That's it.

You want to live like an animal, you are free to do so, free-will. Human's are the most intelligent life-forms on earth.

Why are you attributing Animal instincts to me?

Animals have the most free will. They do as they please. Their brains are not developed enough to understand that they can do more than what their primal instincts urge them to do.

Your point of Animals having no free will is bad. Humans are the ones that have no free will as we bow down to societal laws for the most part.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you attributing Animal instincts to me?

Animals have the most free will. They do as they please. Their brains are not developed enough to understand that they can do more than what their primal instincts urge them to do.

Your point of Animals having no free will is bad. Humans are the ones that have no free will as we bow down to societal laws for the most part.

No need to repeat, I am attributing animal instincts to you because you claimed Homosexuality is natural and ran away when I stated so is rape and murder.

Thanks for trying.

 

[sweep_shot]

So rules can change with time. Or God does not know the future and cannot make something comprehensive to suit for all times.

God obviously knows past, present, and future.

Main message was same for all Prophets (peace be upon them). Worship one God, be good, and follow God's legislations. Now, those legislations were different from Prophet to Prophet.

Even Al-Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years. Islamic laws were revealed over a period of time (not all at once).

Quran is the final revelation and Muhammad (PBUH) is the final Prophet.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No need to repeat, I am attributing animal instincts to you because you claimed Homosexuality is natural and ran away when I stated so is rape and murder.

Thanks for trying.

Never said Rape and murder are not natural. Hence we have laws laid down by the society to punish people who do that.

Homosexuality is natural. It is not a taught or learned from others. It is observed in all primates. If you refuse to believe it, then it is on you.

 

[Champ_Pal]

God obviously knows past, present, and future.

Main message was same for all Prophets (peace be upon them). Worship one God, be good, and follow God's legislations. Now, those legislations were different from Prophet to Prophet.

Even Al-Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years. Islamic laws were revealed over a period of time (not all at once).

Quran is the final revelation and Muhammad (PBUH) is the final Prophet.

Then all the holy books should all teach the same and they should not change over time. We have Moses law, Jesus law and Islamic law. They all differ. So God's laws change.

I am not going to refer to Hindu laws or Buddhist or Jain laws which are so different to Abrahamic laws that it is not even worth mentioning.

 

[Abel Reames]

Never said Rape and murder are not natural. Hence we have laws laid down by the society to punish people who do that.

Homosexuality is natural. It is not a taught or learned from others. It is observed in all primates. If you refuse to believe it, then it is on you.

A word to the wise, a quote by Thomas Sowell "It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.

 

[Technics 1210]

Never said Rape and murder are not natural. Hence we have laws laid down by the society to punish people who do that.

Homosexuality is natural. It is not a taught or learned from others. It is observed in all primates. If you refuse to believe it, then it is on you.

Laws by society are created by intelligent humans - free will combined with intelligence. Let me know when the penny drops.

The problem with your thought is that you are trying to justify human debauchery through nature, but will never have the balls to justify rape/murder through nature which follows your ludicrous logic through justification of nature. You know why, Humans are intelligent enough to know what is right from wrong, this is the gift of God. Free Will. Intelligence.

Homosexuality is a choice, it is not natural. You can make all the claims you want, but until you cite the DNA gene sequence that proves homosexuality is natural you have nothing other than bluff & bluster.

Remember, describing how something looks does NOT explain how something works. Unless you are Dr Dolittle who can speak with animals who pour their hearts out.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Laws by society are created by intelligent humans - free will combined with intelligence. Let me know when the penny drops.

The problem with your thought is that you are trying to justify human debauchery through nature, but will never have the balls to justify rape/murder through nature which follows your ludicrous logic through justification of nature. You know why, Humans are intelligent enough to know what is right from wrong, this is the gift of God. Free Will. Intelligence.

Homosexuality is a choice, it is not natural. You can make all the claims you want, but until you cite the DNA gene sequence that proves homosexuality is natural you have nothing other than bluff & bluster.

Remember, describing how something looks does NOT explain how something works. Unless you are Dr Dolittle who can speak with animals who pour their hearts out.

Anything that harms other humans or animals (even if natural) are prohibited by societal laws. Without the laws, there will be anarchy.

Humans also have something called empathy. We have the ability to put ourselves in others shoes and we can understand their sufferings. We tend not to do stuff that can potentially harm others for the most part. When natural instincts overtake empathy, marder, rape etc happen.

Homosexuality is attraction to same sex between consenting adults. It is not a choice.

The ability of humans to think is not a gift from God. It happened over thousands of years of evolution. Ability to think is not freewill. But implementing on thoughts is freewill. Intelligence is not freewill. I don't know why you cannot understand that simple argument.

Define Freewill for me please. I would like to hear your understanding of it.

 

[sweep_shot]

Then all the holy books should all teach the same and they should not change over time. We have Moses law, Jesus law and Islamic law. They all differ. So God's laws change.

I am not going to refer to Hindu laws or Buddhist or Jain laws which are so different to Abrahamic laws that it is not even worth mentioning.

Looks like you either didn't read properly or you didn't understand properly.

Message was the same but legislations were different from Prophets to Prophets. That's how God decided to do things.

By the way, it was not just Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them). We believe there were more prophets with their own legislations. Some were explicitly mentioned in the Holy Books and some were not mentioned.

Adam, Joseph, Jacob, Enoch, Abraham, Noah, Lot, Solomon, and many more (peace be upon them all).

 

[Champ_Pal]

Looks like you either didn't read properly or you didn't understand properly.

Message was the same but legislations were different from Prophets to Prophets. That's how God decided to do things.

By the way, it was not just Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them). We believe there were more prophets with their own legislations. Some were explicitly mentioned in the Holy Books and some were not mentioned.

Adam, Joseph, Jacob, Enoch, Abraham, Noah, Lot, Solomon, and many more (peace be upon them all).

All of those are claims. Not facts.

Their message may be to pray to one God. But the laws laid out by them differ.

We are talking about laws of God that are supposedly immutable. But they have changed every few centuries.

 

[Technics 1210]

Anything that harms other humans or animals (even if natural) are prohibited by societal laws. Without the laws, there will be anarchy.

Humans also have something called empathy. We have the ability to put ourselves in others shoes and we can understand their sufferings. We tend not to do stuff that can potentially harm others for the most part. When natural instincts overtake empathy, marder, rape etc happen.

Homosexuality is attraction to same sex between consenting adults. It is not a choice.

The ability of humans to think is not a gift from God. It happened over thousands of years of evolution. Ability to think is not freewill. But implementing on thoughts is freewill. Intelligence is not freewill. I don't know why you cannot understand that simple argument.

Define Freewill for me please. I would like to hear your understanding of it.

You have just defined free will.

Who said intelligence is free will? Free will is CHOICE. The freedom to do as you please. The clue is in the word, will.

The rest of your post is gibberish. You claim anything that harms animals is prohibited by societal law yet in the animal kingdom, animals eat each other, a natural ordained process. There is no anarchy in the animal world.

Further more you are stating Humans have empathy, well done! You are warming to the fact humans are different to animals.

One more thing, stop pretending homsexuality is not harmful or detrimental to humans. Your hypocrisy on justifying human acts through nature is well and truly exposed but remember, homosexuality is the source for fatal diseases. AIDS and HIV kill millions of humans, and continue to do so.

You are free to act like an animal, or a human, the gift to make this choice, is all yours.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You have just defined free will.

Who said intelligence is free will? Free will is CHOICE. The freedom to do as you please. The clue is in the word, will.

The rest of your post is gibberish. You claim anything that harms animals is prohibited by societal law yet in the animal kingdom, animals eat each other, a natural ordained process. There is no anarchy in the animal world.

Further more you are stating Humans have empathy, well done! You are warming to the fact humans are different to animals.

One more thing, stop pretending homsexuality is not harmful or detrimental to humans. Your hypocrisy on justifying human acts through nature is well and truly exposed but remember, homosexuality is the source for fatal diseases. AIDS and HIV kill millions of humans, and continue to do so.

You are free to act like an animal, or a human, the gift to make this choice, is all yours.

More Gibbersih from you.

Homosexuality is not harmful to society as long as it is between consenting adults. We are different to animals only in terms of thinking ability as our brains have evolved to be more complex. We have the ability to think about future which animals do not possess.

HIV effects heterosexuals too. Not just homosexuals. HIV did not start due to homosexuality. It started in Africa from Chimpanzees to humans due to bush meat. HIV is more prevalent in LGBTQ communities due to unprotected sex as they know they cannot get pregnant from homosexual sex.

No one is defending to act like an animal as we humans are intelligent enough to understand the consequences of acting on primal instincts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Then all the holy books should all teach the same and they should not change over time. We have Moses law, Jesus law and Islamic law. They all differ. So God's laws change.

I am not going to refer to Hindu laws or Buddhist or Jain laws which are so different to Abrahamic laws that it is not even worth mentioning.

Of course you aren't going to refer to Hindu laws because there aren't any so you have nothing to offer. Then you end up trying to pick flaws in Abrahamic religions to compensate your own lack of conviction in Hindu scriptures.

 

[Technics 1210]

More Gibbersih from you.

Homosexuality is not harmful to society as long as it is between consenting adults. We are different to animals only in terms of thinking ability as our brains have evolved to be more complex. We have the ability to think about future which animals do not possess.

HIV effects heterosexuals too. Not just homosexuals. HIV did not start due to homosexuality. It started in Africa from Chimpanzees to humans due to bush meat. HIV is more prevalent in LGBTQ communities due to unprotected sex as they know they cannot get pregnant from homosexual sex.

No one is defending to act like an animal as we humans are intelligent enough to understand the consequences of acting on primal instincts.

Homosexuals are a source for fatal diseases. The only reason Heterosexuals are are infected is again by having sex with homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a danger to society. Even the NHS refuse blood transfusions from Homosexuals who have had sex within 3 months, this rule doesn't apply to Heterosexuals. The medical world is in agreement, so you can forget Africa being the source, but hey, even beastality is a choice!

YOU are justifying animal acts within humans such as homosexually. Everyone can read your posts. You now are scraping the barrel of consent.

You dare not justify Incest, Rape, Murder as being natural instincts in humans either, but no, homosexuality is!

Your arguments are weak, hypocritical, and all over the place, then again, this is all your choice.

Have a great weekend!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

To Atheists its just fairy stories.

But the Abrahamic faiths, Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe and are all awaiting the arrival. The Jews call him the Messiah, the Muslims Dajjal and the Christians anti-christ.

From my personal view and belief, the Quran and Sunnah warns of this event/entity on a regular basis. So I think we should always be ready to discuss this regardless of what others think because it will not only strengthen our faith but make us understand the world we are living in. The evidence from Islamic texts and the world today would suggest the time is near.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Im not sure why those who dont believe or are not interested trying to divert, and as usual trying to make Muslims defend their religion. You want to believe in No God, Jesus is God, the Messiah is returning to the Jews or Idols its your right. Let others discuss their beliefs without the usual attacks behind a keyboard.

Dajjal means to deceive, which seems to be reality in the world for the majority of people.

Examples.

People actually believe Israel is a democracy, a kind state. People believe US are the goods guys, even though both entities combined have shed or have influenced the most destruction seen in the history of man.

Only a few months ago..

Israeli judge's ruling on Jews who prayed in Al-Aqsa compound ignites controversy

Israeli Magistrate's Court Judge Zion Sahrai ruled Sunday that three Jewish youths were not violating security conditions when they recited a Jewish prayer at the contested holy area known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram Al-Sharif.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/23/...aqsa-judge-ruling-controversy-intl/index.html

This is where the temple needs to be build. Over the last few years, the Israelis now want the Al-Aqsa compound to be open to Jews so they can pray. They also believe their time is near.

 

[MenInG]

To Atheists its just fairy stories.

But the Abrahamic faiths, Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe and are all awaiting the arrival. The Jews call him the Messiah, the Muslims Dajjal and the Christians anti-christ.

From my personal view and belief, the Quran and Sunnah warns of this event/entity on a regular basis. So I think we should always be ready to discuss this regardless of what others think because it will not only strengthen our faith but make us understand the world we are living in. The evidence from Islamic texts and the world today would suggest the time is near.

Yes I will agree with whatever you say because you and I share the same faith.

Don't expect others to fall in line.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes I will agree with whatever you say because you and I share the same faith.

Don't expect others to fall in line.

Of course and its great as a discussion but they need to refute the Islamic texts and today's geo-political realities, which almost all are incapable of doing for various reasons.

One example is how Satanism influenced and inspired huge innovations. Atomic bomb was inspired at an occult camp in California. Many feel inspired by Dajjal,as which sane human wouldnt want to build such a weapon.


Most Americans dont have a clue what is written on their own $ .

 

[Robert]

HIV effects heterosexuals too. Not just homosexuals. HIV did not start due to homosexuality. It started in Africa from Chimpanzees to humans due to bush meat. HIV is more prevalent in LGBTQ communities due to unprotected sex as they know they cannot get pregnant from homosexual sex.

HIV has been endemic in the straight population in Sub-Saharan Africa for at least forty years. Molecular clock evidence suggests that HIV may have jumped species from great ape populations as early at 1911.

I did my Master's thesis on HIV prevention and recidivism in gay and straight populations in the UK.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Homosexuals are a source for fatal diseases. The only reason Heterosexuals are are infected is again by having sex with homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a danger to society. Even the NHS refuse blood transfusions from Homosexuals who have had sex within 3 months, this rule doesn't apply to Heterosexuals. The medical world is in agreement, so you can forget Africa being the source, but hey, even beastality is a choice!

YOU are justifying animal acts within humans such as homosexually. Everyone can read your posts. You now are scraping the barrel of consent.

You dare not justify Incest, Rape, Murder as being natural instincts in humans either, but no, homosexuality is!

Your arguments are weak, hypocritical, and all over the place, then again, this is all your choice.

Have a great weekend!

If a heterosexual has sex with homosexual, then that person is not a hetero.

Refusing blood transfusion from homos could be due to their unprotected sexual habits.
Bestiality is a choice. No one encourages it because you cannot get consent from a goat.

I don't think you get the concept of consent. If there is no consent, then it is a rape. I am not justifying anything. I am only letting you know that homosexuality is not animal acts. It is natural and exists among primates too.

You are putting words in my mouth by saying I will justify incest. Sexual relations between closely related individuals should be banned with no exceptions. Even wild beats know it is not right and they cannot think and analyze like us.

You are the who was saying that homosexuality is unnatural. I was just educating you. Homosexuality is not a choice. You cannot help who you are attracted to.

Have a great weekend to you too :cheers

 

[Technics 1210]

If a heterosexual has sex with homosexual, then that person is not a hetero.

I stopped reading here. You have no idea. A Hetrosexual can have sex with a Homosexual/ Bisexual, will still be Heteo because the Hetro is neither a homosexual or bisexual themselves just by having sex with the opposite sex. Temember sex and sexual orientation ate different.

Johnny Depp was married to a bisexual (Amber Heard), but only has sex with females, which means he remains a Hetro.

Have fun, and remember, divine guidance is always there to help you.

 

[James]

If a heterosexual has sex with homosexual, then that person is not a hetero.

Have to say that I disagree with this statement. Sexual orientation is not determined by who someone has sex with, but what they themselves identify as. An example would be sexual behaviour between male prisoners, who may have sex with each other in an all-male environment but often still personally identify as heterosexual.

 

[pillionrider]

Facts to some, fairytales to others.

Welcome to the world of religion.

As a Muslim, I find it hard to think/worry about these things as our day to day lives have so many challenges to live as a good Muslim!

If every religious and atheistic person thought like this, we wouldn't get on each other's nerves

 

[Champ_Pal]

I stopped reading here. You have no idea. A Hetrosexual can have sex with a Homosexual/ Bisexual, will still be Heteo because the Hetro is neither a homosexual or bisexual themselves just by having sex with the opposite sex. Temember sex and sexual orientation ate different.

Johnny Depp was married to a bisexual (Amber Heard), but only has sex with females, which means he remains a Hetro.

Have fun, and remember, divine guidance is always there to help you.

Terrible logic from you by giving Johnny Depp example. Johnny and Amber are not from same sex. A hetero person can have sex with a homo from opposite sex.

You do not need divine guidance to explain natural phenomenon. If you need that, then you are weak minded.

I always have fun educating ignorant people who think Homosexuality is unnatural when we see it all around the animal kingdom.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Have to say that I disagree with this statement. Sexual orientation is not determined by who someone has sex with, but what they themselves identify as. An example would be sexual behaviour between male prisoners, who may have sex with each other in an all-male environment but often still personally identify as heterosexual.

May be I did not convey my message properly. If a Heterosexual person has sex with a homo from the same sex, then that person is not a hetero. He is just a closet homo too.

I never intended to say that a Hetero will become a homo by having sex with a homo from opposite sex.

Perhaps I should have framed my sentence in a better way.

 

[sweep_shot]

I always have fun educating ignorant people who think Homosexuality is unnatural when we see it all around the animal kingdom.

If homosexuality is natural, why was it condemned throughout the human history?

Even today, most people (particularly in non-western countries) feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. That's just a fact.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

HIV has been endemic in the straight population in Sub-Saharan Africa for at least forty years. Molecular clock evidence suggests that HIV may have jumped species from great ape populations as early at 1911.

I did my Master's thesis on HIV prevention and recidivism in gay and straight populations in the UK.

If it barks like a dog, wags its tail, has canine DNA, it's a cat?.

African culture has a problem with subverted sexual deviance. It's why they were so easy prey to be colonised. But that subversion has now pervaded the 'superiorly intelligent ' Western society.

Basically Darwinism morphed in to Richard Starkey

 

[James]

If homosexuality is natural, why was it condemned throughout the human history?

Even today, most people (particularly in non-western countries) feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. That's just a fact.

Point being made is that which occurs within nature is by definition natural, otherwise (from a certain angle of logic) it would not occur at all. This argument will not be agreed upon by everyone, but it is an argument nonetheless.

 

[Champ_Pal]

If homosexuality is natural, why was it condemned throughout the human history?

Even today, most people (particularly in non-western countries) feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. That's just a fact.

Only in Abrahamic religions from Middle East that outright ban it. LGBTQ are accepted as part of society in Eastern cultures. But things are improving now at least in the Church. I also read somewhere that even Islam is open to it now. So things are changing albeit very slowly.