"Here at the PSL, the seam bowling is the toughest you will face anywhere in the world" : Alex Hales

[MenInG]

"Here at the PSL, the seam bowling is the toughest you will face anywhere in the world" : Alex Hales

Alex Hales speaking to the press:

Question about how the team has lifted themselves after Multan defeat

"Just keeping our confidence (going) to be honest; Losses happen in T20 cricket and we lost to 2 very strong teams; we came together as a group and knew that we had the strength and depth to bounce back as a squad; 2 games in 2 days was the perfect chance to do that and we are pleased we managed to do that"

"Contributing to wins is what you want to do as a top order player; I would like to have been there to the end, to see the team over the line which is something I will be looking to in the future; To contribute personally to two good chases at a great cricket ground is very satisfying"

"T20 is about momentum and now with couple of wins under our belt we are very confident heading into the next 2 games"

"That is something I am not thinking about to be honest (selection for England); All I want to do is to score runs and that is all I can do; The balls in my court to score as many runs as I can and see what happens"

"There is a helluva lot of English talent at the moment at the top of the order so I am looking to keep improving; Even at 31, I feel that the best of my years are ahead of me and I am still getting better each year, all I can do is keep scoring runs and see what happens and to enjoy my cricket"

"As a batter, its (PSL) is the toughest in the world if I am being honest; The quality of seam bowling that you face is better than anywhere I have played in the world; Very similar to IPL in my opinion; IPL has more spinners to pick from, here the seam bowling is the toughest you will face anywhere in the world, I'd rank it certainly right up there"

 

[MenInG]

Interesting bit about IPL having spinners but PSL having better seamers

 

[Officer Barbrady]

He is right but isnt he just stating the obvious?.A lot has to do with local strengths and weaknesses. We have maybe 12 local pace bowlers who can bowl 140+ (Which is incredible and unparalleled around the world) but we can’t find a spinner to replace Shadab!

Maybe they could be good enough but spinners such as Zafar Gohar, Umer Khan, Mohsin and Usama Mir don’t even get the opportunity and most attacks are pace bowling heavy

 

[IAJ]

I don’t think someone is pointing gun at their heads and ask them to praise the bowling. There must be some truth in what they state?

 

[Syed1]

Kindly observe a moment of silence for IPL fans.

 

[Rana]

Sky sports would make you believe that the Gods of cricket play IPL

It’s the only thing they have left to sell to sports fans.

 

[Titan24]

Hales is one of the best white ball players in the world, he knows what he is talking about.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Interesting comments about spinners. More mystery spin in the IPL.

 

[ElRaja]

spin is definitely a weak point for the psl, which is a shame given there are only six teams, you would think you could find at least 4 domestic spinners and 2 overseas to give the teams one world class spinner each. deffo missing guys like narine, asghar, mir, Lamichhane, etc this season.

as far as seam bowling goes, guys like tanvir, amir, shaheen, naseem, hasnain, rauf, wahab, hasan, etc there are maybe up to 10 good seamers, either international quality, or top league level players, when u can boast roughly 2 good domestic seamers per squad, foreign players will only make standards higher.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Pretty much every sane cricket lover who follows most of the T20 leagues knows this.

IPL definitely has better spinners and local batsmen as compared to PSL but we definitely have better pacers and all-rounders.

 

[Bewal Express]

Interesting bit about IPL having spinners but PSL having better seamers

I was thinking the same a couple days ago. The quality of spinners in the PSL is very poor.

 

[Usman]

I was thinking the same a couple days ago. The quality of spinners in the PSL is very poor.

Just as well. The quality of the TV footage is so bad that even a gun barrel straight ball is hard to see. One that's spinning would be practically invisible!

You've got a first rate t20 league, as acknowledged by Hales himself, with a third rate broadcaster.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

PSL has just gotten better ever since it has shifting to Pakistan. The crowds are big, the pitches are flat and therefore we've gotten to see exciting, high-scoring games. But at the same time the fast bowlers have also managed to shine. A major contrast to those boring UAE games with empty crowds and sluggish pitches.

I think in-terms of quality, competitiveness, following and foreign talent PSL is probably the second best league after IPL. The foreign player pool is good, not great. Can definitely be vastly better in upcoming seasons with the addition of players like David Miller, Kusal Perera, Chris Morris, Guptill, Rashid, Mujeeb, Nabi, Shakib, (du Plessis?)...and pretty much any major international cricketer who is free during February-March.

By comparison BBL is remarkably poor in-terms of foreign talent eventhough it is a competitive league with a large following. Problem is that its too Australian and lacks the international appeal of some of the other leagues. The Hundred looks like a horrendous idea but we'll have to see about that. The Vitality Blast is basically just T20 format county. The CPL is okay; doesn't have that big of a following and the quality of foreign talent fluctuates with each season. And BPL lacks heavily in indigenous talent which lessens the overall quality of it as a league.

 

[InziRules]

Nice of him to say but I don't believe him.

 

[Red Devil]

Wait for some random armchair critic who's never held a bat to show up here and claim they know better than Alex Hales.

 

[Titan24]

Nice of him to say but I don't believe him.

Fair enough. Which other league has around 7 to 9 local pacers with the ability to ball 145kph plus?

Also which league do you think has better pace bowling and why? Also which local bowlers are the flag bearers of that league?

 

[InziRules]

Fair enough. Which other league has around 7 to 9 local pacers with the ability to ball 145kph plus?

Also which league do you think has better pace bowling and why? Also which local bowlers are the flag bearers of that league?

Big Bash. Rather easily the highest standard league imo, especially in pace bowling.

 

[khan_aa]

yeah best bowling but worst fielding...


fielding is VVIP

unless we get younger players in PSL we will never have a good league. Uncles playing matches has no benefit to pakistan

 

[khan_aa]

Big Bash. Rather easily the highest standard league imo, especially in pace bowling.

BBL is NOT highest standard league...

 

[angrypathan]

Big Bash. Rather easily the highest standard league imo, especially in pace bowling.

Even IPL has higher standard fast bowling than the Big Bash. Starc and Cummins didn't play a single game this year, and Hazlewood only a handful. A talented but hardly world class Haris Rauf was outshining all the local talent.

 

[Titan24]

Big Bash. Rather easily the highest standard league imo, especially in pace bowling.

Which are BBL’s top pacers which you think makes it a top league? As Starc and Cummins dont play usually.

If you look at the attacks of each side of BBL there is are mostly mediocre pacers which is endorsed by the fact that they need to draft in Shinwari last season and also troed to include him again along with Faheem Ashraf. They also went on to try Dilbar Hussain.

So where exactly were extraordinary pacers of BBL that they had to go towards Shinwari, Faheem and Dilbar Hussain?

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Wait for some random armchair critic who's never held a bat to show up here and claim they know better than Alex Hales.

he is always right ..
so what if he never held a bat.
he.has his own logic & explanation..
.. which he may twist or change as per the team he is talking about though

 

[Mamoon]

I think he is right.

His views are also backed by the legend Salt, although the hack de Villiers was adamant that IPL has the best bowling attacks in franchise cricket, but what does a hack like de Villiers know. He couldn’t perform in the PSL.

In fact, you don’t have to go by the views of these batsmen because the pristine quality of fast bowling in PSL speaks for itself.

PSL has done well to ensure that rubbish pacers like Starc, Cummins, Boult, Rabada, Malinga, Bumrah, Shami etc. etc. are not part of the PSL. If they were present, the quality of pace bowling in PSL would nosedive to the mediocre levels of IPL.

IPL teams are simply unlucky they don’t have ATG pacers like Rahat, Wahab, Hasan, Tanvir, Irfan, Shinwari, Ilyas, Dilbar Hussain, Sohail, Musa, Faheem, Arshad, Amad, Umaid etc. etc. playing for them.

Furthermore, I am not sure why NZC is not moving from pillar to post to resurrect the mummy of Luke Ronchi from his pyramid and get him back in the national team. He is leading the scoring charts against the toughest pace bowling in the world at the age of 39.

He is quite clearly the best T20 opener in the world at the moment, and must be a surefire starter for NZ in the upcoming WT20s.

 

[Raja111]

Alex Hales speaking to the press:

"As a batter, its (PSL) is the toughest in the world if I am being honest; The quality of seam bowling that you face is better than anywhere I have played in the world; Very similar to IPL in my opinion; IPL has more spinners to pick from, here the seam bowling is the toughest you will face anywhere in the world, I'd rank it certainly right up there"

No need to mention this! Lol

 

[Bewal Express]

Just as well. The quality of the TV footage is so bad that even a gun barrel straight ball is hard to see. One that's spinning would be practically invisible!

You've got a first rate t20 league, as acknowledged by Hales himself, with a third rate broadcaster.

The fast bowlers are at a good level, but the spinners are a poor. They are mostly poor darters, with little flight and subtlety- which still has a place.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Alex Hales just dumped the garbage PSL haters (from Pakistan) to such shame they have gone mental. trying to be funny now lol... pathatic waste of humna being shld shut his mouth for a month now after how Alex has just shamed him ..

 

[Mesozoic]

I think he is right.

His views are also backed by the legend Salt, although the hack de Villiers was adamant that IPL has the best bowling attacks in franchise cricket, but what does a hack like de Villiers know. He couldn’t perform in the PSL.

In fact, you don’t have to go by the views of these batsmen because the pristine quality of fast bowling in PSL speaks for itself.

PSL has done well to ensure that rubbish pacers like Starc, Cummins, Boult, Rabada, Malinga, Bumrah, Shami etc. etc. are not part of the PSL. If they were present, the quality of pace bowling in PSL would nosedive to the mediocre levels of IPL.

IPL teams are simply unlucky they don’t have ATG pacers like Rahat, Wahab, Hasan, Tanvir, Irfan, Shinwari, Ilyas, Dilbar Hussain, Sohail, Musa, Faheem, Arshad, Amad, Umaid etc. etc. playing for them.

Furthermore, I am not sure why NZC is not moving from pillar to post to resurrect the mummy of Luke Ronchi from his pyramid and get him back in the national team. He is leading the scoring charts against the toughest pace bowling in the world at the age of 39.

He is quite clearly the best T20 opener in the world at the moment, and must be a surefire starter for NZ in the upcoming WT20s.

DAMN ! :

Absolutely brutal.

 

[Mesozoic]

On a serious note, we should all take the comments made by franchise cricketers with a pinch of salt.

All these omments like "We lOvE tO bE iN iNdiA. iT's sUcH a gReAt pLaCe. iT's mY sEcOnD hOmE" during the IPL and comments like this one from Hales appear to be only for some positive PR . We all know they're in it just for the $$$.

 

[Mamoon]

On a serious note, we should all take the comments made by franchise cricketers with a pinch of salt.

All these omments like "We lOvE tO bE iN iNdiA. iT's sUcH a gReAt pLaCe. iT's mY sEcOnD hOmE" during the IPL and comments like this one from Hales appear to be only for some positive PR . We all know they're in it just for the $$$.

When players praise IPL and India, they do it to appease their employers.

When players praise PSL and Pakistan, they do it because they genuinely believe it.

 

[Mesozoic]

When players praise IPL and India, they do it to appease their employers.

When players praise PSL and Pakistan, they do it because they genuinely believe it.

Yeah lol.

The hypocrisy is clear as daylight.

 

[Titan24]

Yeah lol.

The hypocrisy is clear as daylight.

Has any player specifically mentioned about pace bowling or bowling aspect of IPL, that its the best out there? Asking this because I personally don know. I would love to read their interview, there points and why they said that.

 

[King Khan]

IPL teams are simply unlucky they don’t have ATG pacers like Rahat, Wahab, Hasan, Tanvir, Irfan, Shinwari, Ilyas, Dilbar Hussain, Sohail, Musa, Faheem, Arshad, Amad, Umaid etc. etc. playing for them.

You're so right.

I mean they are really unlucky when they have to suffer with the likes of Dhawal Kulkarni, Siddarth Kaul, Mohammed Siraj, Umesh Yadav, Shardul Thakur, Shardul Thakur, Sandeep Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Khaleel Ahmed and a 37 year old over weight Malinga.

We both and most do agree that PSL's mediocre seam bowlers are far superior to IPL's dross.

 

[Mamoon]

You're so right.

I mean they are really unlucky when they have to suffer with the likes of Dhawal Kulkarni, Siddarth Kaul, Mohammed Siraj, Umesh Yadav, Shardul Thakur, Shardul Thakur, Sandeep Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Khaleel Ahmed and a 37 year old over weight Malinga.

We both and most do agree that PSL's mediocre seam bowlers are far superior to IPL's dross.

Apart from Hasan, all the Pakistani bowlers that you quoted are inferior to the Indian bowlers you mentioned.

Are you actually comparing Bhuvneshwar, Yadav, Ishant etc. to Irfan, Umaid, Dilbar, Faheem, Irshad etc.?

The delusion is hysterical.

 

[Rudi hater]

Likes of Gayle makes runs all around different league with his eyes closed he failed miserably in PSL, same is the case with AB. Most batters fail to deliver in PSL, the batters who score runs in abundance in league like IPL, Big Bash etc.

 

[Mamoon]

Likes of Gayle makes runs all around different league with his eyes closed he failed miserably in PSL, same is the case with AB. Most batters fail to deliver in PSL, the batters who score runs in abundance in league like IPL, Big Bash etc.

Yes, and Luke Ronchi and Kamran bat like Viv Richards in PSL.

 

[Pakhs]

Apart from Hasan, all the Pakistani bowlers that you quoted are inferior to the Indian bowlers you mentioned.

Are you actually comparing Bhuvneshwar, Yadav, Ishant etc. to Irfan, Umaid, Dilbar, Faheem, Irshad etc.?

The delusion is hysterical.

Just so that I know what has Ishant, Yadav and Bhuvneshwar done in international cricket so far? When did Ishant play any international LOI last?

 

[Rudi hater]

IPL pulls more crowd but PSL will get better in years to come. As it stands PSL bowling will blow any IPL side. They have by far the better bowling lineup. Pace, Spin you name it.

 

[Rudi hater]

Just so that I know what has Ishant, Yadav and Bhuvneshwar done in international cricket so far? When did Ishant play any international LOI last?

They have breaking down alot thats what they have done. haha

 

[Mamoon]

Just so that I know what has Ishant, Yadav and Bhuvneshwar done in international cricket so far? When did Ishant play any international LOI last?

All them are at least good enough for international cricket. The Pakistani bowlers minus Hasan Ali are not international standard.

 

[Pakhs]

Lol. Thank you for getting triggered and proving my point.

IPL is kind to batsmen shorts grounds and flat decks - I cant remember any bowlers having a good season since maybe Tanvir in the very first IPL. Since then wickets are suited to big hits which is fair enough In domestic level tournament which are designed solely to generate money and entertainment purpose.

 

[Mesozoic]

You're so right.

I mean they are really unlucky when they have to suffer with the likes of Dhawal Kulkarni, Siddarth Kaul, Mohammed Siraj, Umesh Yadav, Shardul Thakur, Shardul Thakur, Sandeep Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Khaleel Ahmed and a 37 year old over weight Malinga.

We both and most do agree that PSL's mediocre seam bowlers are far superior to IPL's dross.

To be honest I agree with your assertion that PSL has better local fast bowling stocks than the IPL. But "local" is the key word here. Overall fast bowling quality of IPL increases drastically when you factor in the presence of guys like Cummins, Rabada, Boult, Archer, Ferguson, MCclenaghan, Malinga (even at 37, he is still one of the best death bowlers in the world) etc...

 

[King Khan]

Apart from Hasan, all the Pakistani bowlers that you quoted are inferior to the Indian bowlers you mentioned.

Are you actually comparing Bhuvneshwar, Yadav, Ishant etc. to Irfan, Umaid, Dilbar, Faheem, Irshad etc.?

The delusion is hysterical.

Okay if you can take back Hasan, I'll take back B Kumar.

But you're saying Wahab, Shinwari et all are better then the likes of Dhawal Kulkani, Shardul Thakur, etc

Talk about digging yourself a hole just to prove an irrelevant point. Your double standards are clear for all to see.

 

[Rana]

Yes, and Luke Ronchi and Kamran bat like Viv Richards in PSL.

Besides the sarcasm, PSL has actually been pretty good in terms of playing standards. The only team still playing the archaic Pakistani brand are Lahore Qalandars, and it is showing with their poor results.

The rest of the teams have been quite good and the competition between bat and ball has been strong

 

[Mamoon]

Okay if you can take back Hasan, I'll take back B Kumar.

But you're saying Wahab, Shinwari et all are better then the likes of Dhawal Kulkani, Shardul Thakur, etc

Talk about digging yourself a hole just to prove an irrelevant point. Your double standards are clear for all to see.

They are equally poor. Bowlers like Wahab are direct contributors to Pakistan’s mediocrity.

Swap Wahab and Shinwari with Thakur etc. and nothing will change for either India or Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Besides the sarcasm, PSL has actually been pretty good in terms of playing standards. The only team still playing the archaic Pakistani brand are Lahore Qalandars, and it is showing with their poor results.

The rest of the teams have been quite good and the competition between bat and ball has been strong

Yes it is not bad. It has certainly improved a lot after returning to Pakistan permanently. However, I think in the future, it will have to change its scheduling because playing the tournament right before the IPL is not a good idea.

 

[Mesozoic]

IPL pulls more crowd but PSL will get better in years to come. As it stands PSL bowling will blow any IPL side. They have by far the better bowling lineup. Pace, Spin you name it.

So bad IPL teams don't have gun players like Akmal, Ronchi and Rossouw to to avoid getting blown up by PSL bowling.

 

[Rudi hater]

They have Melinga, Gayle types haha.

 

[Pakhs]

All them are at least good enough for international cricket. The Pakistani bowlers minus Hasan Ali are not international standard.

What have they done in international cricket? Hasan Ali was player of the tournament not long ago.

 

[Hawkeye]

You're so right.

I mean they are really unlucky when they have to suffer with the likes of Dhawal Kulkarni, Siddarth Kaul, Mohammed Siraj, Umesh Yadav, Shardul Thakur, Shardul Thakur, Sandeep Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Hardik Pandya, Khaleel Ahmed and a 37 year old over weight Malinga.

We both and most do agree that PSL's mediocre seam bowlers are far superior to IPL's dross.

Good post.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] wanted to make his point by comparing decent PSL bowlers with the best IPL bowlers (Starc, Cummins, Boult, Rabada, Bumrah).

There has to be some bias to win your argument.

IPL has a lot of trash when it comes to bowling, which is a fact. Hales found it as hard as IPL when batting in the PSL. Maybe slightly more difficult in the PSL, because of the local bowling talent.

Hales hasn't said PSL is far superior to IPL bowling standard. He said it's similar. And he's not wrong.

It's partly because of excellent local fast bowling stocks in PAK, lots of 140+ kph bowlers. You don't get that in IPL, except some international stars, who also don't always play.

At this point, we can't say PSL is far superior to IPL fast bowling standards. They're pretty much equivalent, and it's a huge achievement in itself for PSL.

A league born very late, a league where its hands were tied, players wouldn't come to PAK (still some don't), there's no dedicated window in the ICC calendar.

But, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has an inherent bias when it comes to comparing things and he'd always prefer the foreign thing. I can understand why he does that, as it's true in a lot of things.

But not when it comes to PSL seam bowling standards. It's not vastly superior to IPL yet, but not inferior either.

PSL will be vastly superior when one or two of Boult, Rabada, Starc joins the PSL. Cummins isn't a T20 bowler. Malinga doesn't matter much anymore. They will greatly complement the top local fast bowling talent in PAK.

 

[silentkiller187]

Who are we to argue, why cant we enjoy both leagues on their merit. If a professional cricketer is making a statement like this then there must be some truth to it, i am sure he has better insight and knowledge in comparison to armchair fans like us.

 

[Pakhs]

So bad IPL teams don't have gun players like Akmal, Ronchi and Rossouw to to avoid getting blown up by PSL bowling.

LOL at people mindset here - its the same players who play all the leagues. Hales have played many league there can never be IPL V PSL games etc. And FYI as a side topic K Akmal has smashed Indian bowling many times before. He is acftually a good player at home his stars started going downhill when Pakistan was banned fro hosting any matches at home prior to that he was averaging over 50 at home.

 

[Abid Z]

There’s no need to be pedantic. A cricketer (batsman) is just making a statement he’s not inspiring a psl vs ipl debate. There is no other tournament that can compete with the allure and sheer magnitude of the ipl and nobody is ever claiming that. It’s just a casual statement about one aspect of bowling.

Regardless of Individual bowlers though I think something has to be said for conditions especially in northern Pakistan under lights. The seam bowling at least some of it not necessarily all home grown upcoming talent is pretty good. Obviously not on par with international matches, it is after all only a t20 league, but the last KK Match in particular was pretty entertaining as far as seam bowling goes.

 

[King Khan]

They are equally poor. Bowlers like Wahab are direct contributors to Pakistan’s mediocrity.

Swap Wahab and Shinwari with Thakur etc. and nothing will change for either India or Pakistan.

Really???

So replacing Thakur, ODI bowling average of 50 with Shinwari who has an ODI ave of 18 will not make a difference ?

Bit delusional aren't we.

 

[Hasan123]

Has any player specifically mentioned about pace bowling or bowling aspect of IPL, that its the best out there? Asking this because I personally don know. I would love to read their interview, there points and why they said that.

Why would someone need to say facing Cummins,Rabada,Bumrah,Shami,Tahir,Archer,Fergurson, and Boult is tough LOL?

IPL has the best bowling in franchise cricket.

2nd best is up for debate though.

 

[Titan24]

Why would someone need to say facing Cummins,Rabada,Bumrah,Shami,Tahir,Archer,Fergurson, and Boult is tough LOL?

IPL has the best bowling in franchise cricket.

2nd best is up for debate though.

The names you have taken are top bowlers but these are just around 8 or so in 8 teams. What makes the difference is the rest of 24-32 or so bowlers which get to play in the playing xi for those teams. The names you have mentioned can only bowl 4 overs in a match.

Having one extraordinary bower and 2-3 mediocre makes it much easier for batsmen in T20s.

IPL is undoubtedly a top league but there are a lot of mediocre pacers and bowlers going around like most leagues and 7-8 bowlers international bowlers cant cover that.

 

[Local.Dada]

Really???

So replacing Thakur, ODI bowling average of 50 with Shinwari who has an ODI ave of 18 will not make a difference ?

Bit delusional aren't we.

Thakur is a back up to a back up. Shinwari is a front line bowler. in fact Thakur should be compared to some one like Faheem Ashraf and co and has already won more matches than guys like Faheem.

 

[Titan24]

Thakur is a back up to a back up. Shinwari is a front line bowler. in fact Thakur should be compared to some one like Faheem Ashraf and co and has already won more matches than guys like Faheem.

Faheem while has been mediocre but still has better bowling average than Thakur and even fornt line pacer Saini who has played 5 ODIs for India recently. Along with that he has a test bowling average of 26 after playing matches in SA and Eng and a test 50 as well along with a T20 hatrick.

This in no way an effort to explain Faheem's superiority rather Thakur's inferiority.

 

[Local.Dada]

Faheem while has been mediocre but still has better bowling average than Thakur and even fornt line pacer Saini who has played 5 ODIs for India recently. Along with that he has a test bowling average of 26 after playing matches in SA and Eng and a test 50 as well along with a T20 hatrick.

This in no way an effort to explain Faheem's superiority rather Thakur's inferiority.

Before getting too much into a tangent here, so basically you genuinely believe PSL to be of better quality than IPL??

 

[Syed1]

Guys like Gayle, McCullum and ABDV who are superstars in IPL, failed like no tomorrow in the PSL. That should tell about the quality of bowling.



Also people are comparing 5-7 top class international bowlers in IPL and making their case, however, the quality of a league is generally determined by the quality of local talent since those are in the overwhelming majority. If we are talking about local talent then a guy like Unadkat was bought for millions, bowlers like him won't even get into a club side in Pakistan.

 

[Hawkeye]

Why would someone need to say facing Cummins,Rabada,Bumrah,Shami,Tahir,Archer,Fergurson, and Boult is tough LOL?

IPL has the best bowling in franchise cricket.

2nd best is up for debate though.

Like I asked earlier, are you some BCCI spokesperson?

You open a thread and without reading the arguments, come in and start posting how IND/IPL is so superior. You didn't even think before posting here.

Now, look at a very good response below by Titan:

The names you have taken are top bowlers but these are just around 8 or so in 8 teams. What makes the difference is the rest of 24-32 or so bowlers which get to play in the playing xi for those teams. The names you have mentioned can only bowl 4 overs in a match.

Having one extraordinary bower and 2-3 mediocre makes it much easier for batsmen in T20s.

IPL is undoubtedly a top league but there are a lot of mediocre pacers and bowlers going around like most leagues and 7-8 bowlers international bowlers cant cover that.

You're correct.

For a batsman, there's just no escaping hostile and quality bowling playing in the PSL, especially starting from this year.

Literally everyone bowls 140kph and quality. Even the new finds like Akif, Dilbar - they're troubling batters with their quick deliveries and accurate bowling.

Heck, allrounders like Amad and Faheem are doing better than the likes of Thakur, Dinda, Saini.

 

[DRsohail]

Before getting too much into a tangent here, so basically you genuinely believe PSL to be of better quality than IPL??

Inwill say yes local pace factory is far bettter.

 

[DRsohail]

So bad IPL teams don't have gun players like Akmal, Ronchi and Rossouw to to avoid getting blown up by PSL bowling.

Kamran is on the top because of poor batsman in the league but bowling is good specially pace bowling not spin..

 

[Titan24]

Before getting too much into a tangent here, so basically you genuinely believe PSL to be of better quality than IPL??

When did I imply that? Overall IPL is a superior league because of best set of overseas players among any league, great local batting talent and impressive spin bowling talent.

The point of discussion here was overall pace bowling (Considering the complete 18-24 pacers playing in the XI of 6 teams or 24-32 pacers in 8 teams ) which I think in PSL is pretty good. While IPL has some of the top bowlers of the world but some of the local pacers dont maintain that quality or intensity throughout in my opinion.

 

[Local.Dada]

Inwill say yes local pace factory is far bettter.

If you have Rabada,Cummins,Bumrah,Woakes,Archer,Shami,Bhuvi,Boult,Ferguson and like in the past Starc and prime Steyn or Malinga (in his prime) playing how many local pace bowlers will you try?

IPL is not a selection trial, it is a big money business where franchises are trying to win for reputation not even just money.

In Pakistan PSL is probably used as a road to selection, in IPL it is not.

Don't quote me on this but on this very forum people have criticized this fast tracking from PSL.

Indian players come through a proper system. U-19,Domestic performance of atleast 1-2 seasons,A Tours etc and that is why you will find a young Indian player more refined than a Pakistani player.

Shaheen is a good bowler and he got his opportunity on PSL where he got to showcase his skils but on the other hand Mavi-Nagarkotti who looked as good as him if not better in the U-19 Wc hardly get to play in IPL ahead of senior bowlers or world class players.

I am sure Mavi-Nagarkotti bowling to Kamran Akmals and Ronchis of the world will look at the same level as any other young talented Pakistani bowler

 

[DRsohail]

If you have Rabada,Cummins,Bumrah,Woakes,Archer,Shami,Bhuvi,Boult,Ferguson and like in the past Starc and prime Steyn or Malinga (in his prime) playing how many local pace bowlers will you try?

IPL is not a selection trial, it is a big money business where franchises are trying to win for reputation not even just money.

In Pakistan PSL is probably used as a road to selection, in IPL it is not.

Don't quote me on this but on this very forum people have criticized this fast tracking from PSL.

Indian players come through a proper system. U-19,Domestic performance of atleast 1-2 seasons,A Tours etc and that is why you will find a young Indian player more refined than a Pakistani player.

Shaheen is a good bowler and he got his opportunity on PSL where he got to showcase his skils but on the other hand Mavi-Nagarkotti who looked as good as him if not better in the U-19 Wc hardly get to play in IPL ahead of senior bowlers or world class players.

I am sure Mavi-Nagarkotti bowling to Kamran Akmals and Ronchis of the world will look at the same level as any other young talented Pakistani bowler

No way local fast bowlers are better and more than pakistani bowlers man.
IPL has 8 teams as well. I will repeat again local talent and you are bringing Rabada and starch.So sandeep sharma and Mavi did not play IPL and so thakur???

 

[Local.Dada]

Guys like Gayle, McCullum and ABDV who are superstars in IPL, failed like no tomorrow in the PSL. That should tell about the quality of bowling.



Also people are comparing 5-7 top class international bowlers in IPL and making their case, however, the quality of a league is generally determined by the quality of local talent since those are in the overwhelming majority. If we are talking about local talent then a guy like Unadkat was bought for millions, bowlers like him won't even get into a club side in Pakistan.

Yes Gayle, Mccullum who have test 300's,T20I 100's, fastest 100's, ODI 200's etc etc between them will forever have their records in question as they failed against the great PSL attacks ) and ABDV who? a mediocre IPL bashing bully who is not even relevant.

New fab 4 should be Kamran Akmal, Rossow, Ben Dunk and Sarfaraz Ahmed instead of Williamson, Root, Smith and Kohli 3/4 who bash IPL bowlers.

The tone of the post is self explanatory

 

[Hitman]

LOL, when Jos Buttler credits IPL stint for success in Test series against Pakistan, it's because he was trying to please his IPL masters. When AB de Villers says that he believes the IPL is better than the World Cup, it's because he was trying to please his IPL masters.

But when a player playing in the PSL says something good about the league then it's a genuine compliment without any hint of bias

 

[Muhammad Saad]

There may be 11/12 bowlers in the world who can clock 147-150+ on a consistent basis, 5 of them are in Pakistan that alone dissolve the argument of comparing local psl and ipl talent.

 

[Mamoon]

I have a few questions if anyone would be kind enough to answer them for me.

(1) Who are the pace bowlers whose presence has helped PSL achieve superiority over IPL?

(2) Who are the pace bowlers whose absence have helped PSL achieve superiority over IPL?

(3) Are the Pakistani local bowlers so superior to their Indian counterparts that they have compensated for the absence of Starc, Cummins, Boult, Rabada etc. in PSL?

(4) If Pakistani local talent is so superior, why have India had the better pace attack in international cricket in the PSL era? Apart from 4 matches in the 2017 Champions Trophy, India have consistently had a superior pace attack in international cricket in the last 5-6 years if not more.

(5) if Indian pace bowling at the international level is superior because of the likes of Bumrah and Shami, does that mean that once these bowlers are gone, Pakistan will have a superior pace attack at the international level?

(6) If India’s pace attack is still better after the era of Bumrah and Shami, what would that say about the quality of pace bowling in PSL vs IPL?

 

[Mamoon]

There may be 11/12 bowlers in the world who can clock 147-150+ on a consistent basis, 5 of them are in Pakistan that alone dissolve the argument of comparing local psl and ipl talent.

Is pace the only criteria?

 

[Markhor]

And thanks to our great seam bowling, we achieved a whitewash in Australia where we produced the worst collective bowling average across a Test series in our history, and are ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs.

 

[Rana]

And thanks to our great seam bowling, we achieved a whitewash in Australia where we produced the worst collective bowling average across a Test series in our history, and are ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs.

Pakistani team selection is a big mess.

Hasnain part of the WC squad only to not play a game and then dropped straight after the tournament

 

[Hasan123]

The names you have taken are top bowlers but these are just around 8 or so in 8 teams. What makes the difference is the rest of 24-32 or so bowlers which get to play in the playing xi for those teams. The names you have mentioned can only bowl 4 overs in a match.

Having one extraordinary bower and 2-3 mediocre makes it much easier for batsmen in T20s.

IPL is undoubtedly a top league but there are a lot of mediocre pacers and bowlers going around like most leagues and 7-8 bowlers international bowlers cant cover that.

Well obviously I am not going to name every single bowlers. I am just naming the top bowlers.

PSL has plenty of average bowlers as well. Never mind bowlers, there are plenty of rubbish players in the PSL.

 

[Hasan123]

Like I asked earlier, are you some BCCI spokesperson?

You open a thread and without reading the arguments, come in and start posting how IND/IPL is so superior. You didn't even think before posting here.

Now, look at a very good response below by Titan:



You're correct.

For a batsman, there's just no escaping hostile and quality bowling playing in the PSL, especially starting from this year.

Literally everyone bowls 140kph and quality. Even the new finds like Akif, Dilbar - they're troubling batters with their quick deliveries and accurate bowling.

Heck, allrounders like Amad and Faheem are doing better than the likes of Thakur, Dinda, Saini.

This is not being a spokesperson. The bowlers I mentioned are clearly better than most PSL bowlers.

You are a deluded Misbah and Umar Akmal fan so it's difficult for you to identify a top player

Going forward if all you can say I am a BCCI spokesperson don't bother quoting me.

You probably don't even watch the IPL so you can't really judge it anyway. I watch both leagues so I am fully aware which standard of bowling is better.

 

[Hawkeye]

This is not being a spokesperson. The bowlers I mentioned are clearly better than most PSL bowlers.

You are a deluded Misbah and Umar Akmal fan so it's difficult for you to identify a top player

Going forward if all you can say I am a BCCI spokesperson don't bother quoting me.

You probably don't even watch the IPL so you can't really judge it anyway. I watch both leagues so I am fully aware which standard of bowling is better.

Never said IPL is inferior. It's the premier league cricket and obviously the best overall.

We're just talking about one aspect which is fast bowling and PSL is not inferior there.

 

[Hasan123]

Never said IPL is inferior. It's the premier league cricket and obviously the best overall.

We're just talking about one aspect which is fast bowling and PSL is not inferior there.

There isn't a bowler in Pakistan better Cummins, Rabada,Hazelwood, and Bumrah all who play in the IPL.

Like I said you can't really identify talent because you defend average players like Misbah and Umar Akmal.