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Highly doubt Babar Azam will make a comeback from this downfall

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Seriously guys, think about it this guy has been playing Cricket since a very young age, 7-8 years old IIRC.

Not since 12-15 years old where a majority of young players likely start off but instead since he was much younger.

The last Pakistani cricketer who I believe started that young was Sarfaraz and he went onto become a household name in Pakistan during 2017 after winning his country an ICC tournament against all odds and at the same time outlining to the world the perks of starting out so young, yes it didn't last long but the blame at that point surely was not on Sarfaraz's skills.

The problem I have with Babar is Cricket is literally in your DNA, a feat majority of your peers don't have and cannot brag about, yet you're still inferior to them, makes 0 sense really.

and If you think I'm just talking about his performances in T20 then it couldn't be further from the truth.

U19, U15, you have it all yet you're still not that good, not as good as you should be at this point of your career, it's sickening and shocking.

When he performs consistently which is once in a blue moon, those kind of performances even if they're rare are expected from him at this point given his journey and the sole reason people continue to call him a very good player, however the very next game/series he shows the world why there's a big problem going on with him.

Long story short, if you give majority of cricketers Babar's journey they will literally give you similar consistency and results which the likes of Virat Kohli, Sachin Tedulkar, Joe Root, Steven Smith, Ricky Ponting, and even Ben Stokes have given to their respective countries in recent times.

It's mind boggling stuff, he hasn't done squat for Pakistan, it's one thing to be out of form and if that was the case I wouldn't of had this in my mind for so long but you're a completely rubbish player, given the circumstances of course and that too for such a long time.

There's a fabulous 4-5 debate which Babar is regularly a part of, tell me one thing, how many times have the other three/four players in that discussion won their country consistent/pressure games as compared to Babar? How many times have those guys been "out of form" as compared to Babar?

Babar should be world class right now, some believe it already but they still doubt themselves when they start kicking themselves the next time Babar plays one of his mediocre innings no matter the format, and then continues to be mediocre for another 7 games until he starts putting up some decent scores again for a little bit when the venue or opposition changes and the vicious cycle continues, it doesn't work like this guys.

There needs to be a fine line here, Babar Azam is not a generational player IMO, he may as well be going down the U. Akmal route if I'm being brutally honest, 2 straight tournaments now you've been batting like a tailender, which other player out of the fab 5 discussion has previously done this? That's what makes it infuriating.

We'll find out soon enough if he's been out of form or just likes playing against minnows in Bilateral series.

There are top quality players and then there's Babar Azam, tough situation to be in.

In the next year or two your all eyes are on you, we will surely get our answers, which way are you headed?

Come on chap this is not good, you got all the tools and experience and to top it off the journey to back it up, what gives?
 
I would agree somewhat, but I think it’s a slight overreaction.

His main issue I believe is captaincy which is affecting his game. Not everyone is cut out for captaincy and some decisions he has made in this WC almost kicked them out.

I said in the other post:

It doesn’t matter if the Rizwaan/Babar partnership has been working in the past. Pakistan needs to play according to the situation. They need to be more fluid in their approach. Adapt to the tournament then sort your opening form out later.

You can’t gamble on a semi final to come right. Harris is working so bring him in to open. Babar is better off at 3 or 4.

Also, if we have a healthy score by the 12th over with just a couple down, iftikhaar should come in being the form batsman.

The question is, what is it going to take for Babar to listen to what basically the majority are saying? He needs to man up and come one down, to bring Harris to open.
 
He is struggling with the bounce and committing himself to the front foot very early. Babar at his best waits for the ball and plays it late, while right now he is sort of lunging at the ball and losing his shape.

Quite easy to correct, just horribly out of touch and too much cricket in the past few months so hasn’t had a chance to refresh and come back.
 
Disagree that he is going the Umar Akmal route, but you have a point with the rest.
 
No nothing is going to happen. He is a very good player, he will start scoring runs again. He is going to break almost every Pakistani batting record.

The best thing that can come out of this tournament is a reduction in hype by his fans. This hype has been his biggest problem.

They have forced him into comparisons with Kohli even though he will never be anywhere close to him.

He is simply not at that level and never will be, but Babar never asked for this comparison. He just wants to be Babar and do his thing.
 
Every player goes through a bad patch. The fabulous ones that you quote: there's a thread on Steve Smith being the worst T20I Aus player currently, Root's retired, also went through a poor patch in test cricket for more than a year. Kane is consistent but again, NZ haven't won any trophy for him to stand out. Kohli is averaging in the 20s this year in ODI and Test cricket, but has franked back to form in this World Cup.

Babar will also come out of it soon. However, I agree with you on 'how' will he get back up. Will it be in a typical Babar style i.e. little substance and quiet accumulation. Or will he try and mould his game to show-off his batting and let everyone take notice. That is a very big question, and Pakistan's next 5 years depend on this if he is to remain as skipper.

I'd want Babar to remain as the test captain, and give the LOI reigns to Shadab. Should be done after this tournament irrespective of the outcome.
 
A class player can withstand outside noise, pressure and can eventually show his quality on the biggest stage at some point. Babar has failed on the biggest stage twice in a row ie the Asia Cup, World Cup T20. Even in the Pakistani England series he was playing Mark Wood like a tail ender.

The criticism that he is a B, C attack basher, sub continent bully and someone who scores soft runs is valid.

His limited overs batting has badly regressed. Teams have now figured out that if you plug the gaps, bowl a tight line, length to him, making him fail to score off classic cricketing shots, he has no other ways to score runs.

Kohli can play cross bat shots to disturb bowlers who bowl a tight line and length to him, he slowly walks down the track to disturb their line length, once the opposition captain changes the field he utilizes his classic cricketing shots to good effect.

If Babar actually has a good cricketing brain and is a good student of the game, he should be able to work on his game and come back.

His reputation has taken a big hit in the last few months
 
Lol at people thinking dropping Babar to number 3 or 4. The guy is batting with a total lack of confidence right now and I doubt he has the game to hit big in the middle if needed. If he wasn't captain of the T20 team, a just captain would have dropped him from the team for the form he has been showing in the past 2 months.
 
As the famous saying goes: form is temporary and class is permanent.

Waiting to see if Babar can do justice to this saying.

I have a feeling that being back on more batting friendly tracks and up against average opposition will bring out his best again including a stint in upcoming PSL.

But on a future tour of Australia he will be exposed again as Pakistani batsmen tend to rest on their laurels and perceived 'natural talent' than constantly strive to improve and evolve.

Look at some of the current greats of the game who have learnt from their failures in unfavorable conditions and bounced back strongly after working out with their coaches and eradicating any chinks.

Babar is currently not an all condition or a big match (pressure situation) player hence not a great in my books.

The onus is on him now to prove his doubters wrong.
 
This reaction in my opinion is based just upon the T20Is struggles from him.

Babar averaged 67 and 84 respectively in ODIs in 2021 and 22 with 5 100s in 15 ODIs.

In last 5 years in test cricket Babar averaged 56, 68, 67 34 and 73 respectively.

Its anything but a downfall.

T20Is lack of form and performances are evident but, they in no way manifest the downfall of Babar. A lot to improve in T20Is and he needs to stop being rigid in terms of his position as mentioned multiple times.

So thread should be more like T20Is downfall and yes there is no reason why he cant come back from this in T20Is.
 
OP is too harsh. Babar is not some street tullaybaaz. He’s got the best cricket upbringing out of all the batsmen who’ve broken into the international team since Umar Akmal from Pakistan.

Onus is on him now to work on his weaknesses namely to bounce and to spin.

Kohli too was not fully polished in some regards around 2013. He had a weakness outside off and worked on it and improved in that regard.

That’s the only parallel I’ll make between them. I agree with Mamoon that Pakistanis always pounce on the opportunity to compare our stats with modern greats even though they have not played worldwide but only in UAE, Pak, and when they come to SENA they get exposed, ofc for Babar it’s only been this recent tour to Australia and NZ in t20s where he’s looked awful.

But I back him to bounce back IF he can control his ego. Another Pakistani player issue. Too big of an ego to accept there are deficiencies and work on them. Hope he bucks the trend.
 
Nothing to worry. His struggles have been so far in the T20 format in the Asia Cup and the ongoing tournament. He needs to play a few ODI matches where he can take his time to settle down. He will once again start scoring runs soon. Pakistani fans are the most pessimistic ones I have ever seen. We have kept faith with Kohli for over 3 years because we know he is a champion, and he has the ability to serve our team further for a few years. And you guys are dumping the best batsman of your team based on 2 series that too in a joke of a format.
 
He will come back for sure, need to bat at 3 like Kohli. If he is still wanted to bat as a opener, God bless Pakistan.
 
He is the most overrated player in Pakistan history. Will be out of the team by next year.

Nice player to look at but there is no substance or mental toughness there at all.
 
He will be fine, he just can't play aussie pitches. Which is a once every 4/5 year affair.
 
Babar is a great all format player and will return with a bang. His poor form in T20s is not just because he is playing in Australia, he was also poor in UAE for the Asia cup, Pakistan against England at home, and in New Zealand. He needs to drop down one position in T20 as slogging and hitting over fielders is not his game.
 
He is the most overrated player in Pakistan history. Will be out of the team by next year.

Nice player to look at but there is no substance or mental toughness there at all.
Had a good laugh at work reading this. Gem.
 
A lot of damage has been done to his reputation in T20

The only way he can silence his critics is with a consistent run of scores at a sr of 150+ and against the best bowling sides.
 
There is a bounce and swing in this Worldcup, other wise most of the times aus pitches will be slow and flat in test cricket.
 
Lol what an overreaction. Many big players have struggled this world cup like Rohit Sharma for example. Babar has carried the batting for a while now, he was perhaps due a slump. He will be back for sure mainly because he still has a pretty sound technique in comparison to the players you mentioned like Sarfraz and Umar Akmal. Also, from what I have heard Babar has a very good work ethic and is a fitness freak as well.
 
A very high dose of exaggeration and over-reaction. Seems like its the end of the world for babar. Every player goes through a bad patch in his career, its nothing new. Kohli was struggling from last 2 years and its just 2 series for babar. He is a very good batsman and will come back strongly.
 
Babar will be fine, he is quality.

Rizwan is the one who will be found out long term. In tests he is fine, in limited overs he has significant issues
 
Had we been KOd prior to the Semi, the combination of criticism about his captaincy and batting may have contributed to a situation that is difficult to recover from.

Hope he takes some lessons from this and gets back to his best.
 
His release shots are not coming off here. Those drives through off side. Even in UAE one match where the pitch had a bit of bounce he was bounced out by Bhuvi. Next match ball came at knee height. He was super comfortable one again.
 
He will be fine. He just needs to be dropped from the captaincy, have a moody period like Kohli did, be backed by the new captain (probably Shadab in limited overs) and then come back roaring by the next World Cup, also like Kohli.
 
Overreaction!! He’s a class act and will be back. Memories are short term, class is permanent. There’s a reason why many experts of the game rate him.
Chill and support him during this period. Every player goes through these.
 
I have followed Babar since 2010. He can bgwtsome real form slumps but eventually he gets out of them. 5 years back it looked like he will never ever score a run in Test cricket, averaged 22 after 12 tests has been averaging 60 plus since then. He needs a break from the game mianly T 20 format. Babar sr is mentally tougher then what people think. It's his captaincy that is poor and he needs to be released from that.
 
Overreaction!! He’s a class act and will be back. Memories are short term, class is permanent. There’s a reason why many experts of the game rate him.
Chill and support him during this period. Every player goes through these.

Of course he will be back smashing NZ c Team when they play us for 5 T20is whilst the main players are away at the IPL
 
No tweet yet from Virat Kohli in Babar Azam's support. :inti

Which is why I was against Babar tweeting that for an opponent. I knew he would not get anything in return when he himself would go through bad times. I wish Pakistani players showed more self respect.
 
Which is why I was against Babar tweeting that for an opponent. I knew he would not get anything in return when he himself would go through bad times. I wish Pakistani players showed more self respect.

Even within the Indian cricket team, you would not see this. But it was a fan boy's gesture from Babar. Sometimes "This too shall pass" comment can be interpreted in another way. It might look like trolling if Kohli prints a tweet like that. From time to time players offer moral support either as a fan or friend. ABDV and Kohli are good friends. They have mutual respect for each one's game. It is better than making fun of someone else.
 
Can you imagine being the best batsmen of a side and getting criticized like this? Not saying the guy doesn't have limitations but other teams would kill for a Babar Azam. Relax mate, he is one of the best in the world ATM and he has age beside him. He will end his career as a fine batsmen
 
Can you imagine being the best batsmen of a side and getting criticized like this? Not saying the guy doesn't have limitations but other teams would kill for a Babar Azam. Relax mate, he is one of the best in the world ATM and he has age beside him. He will end his career as a fine batsmen

Not really. How many T-20 leagues does Babar get invited too? I have only seen him take part in the Natwest T-20 league but he is yet to be signed up by the Big Bash, CPL or even the BPL. Even in the PSL he is on thin ice now.
 
Not really. How many T-20 leagues does Babar get invited too? I have only seen him take part in the Natwest T-20 league but he is yet to be signed up by the Big Bash, CPL or even the BPL. Even in the PSL he is on thin ice now.

Imo, when I spoke of limitation, it's in t20 format. He has limitation in this format and it shows. He is more of a classical batsmen that can't bully teams with power hitting and if gaps are not there, he finds it hard to score at a high pace. Now this doesn't take away anything from him on other formats. This guy will end as a legend of Pakistan when he retires. He has too much talent and time on his hand to get better even in t20.
 
So why did he not score much in UAE, Pakistan and NZ last three series, there was no bounce or even movent there?

I don't recall the type of dismissals. One dismissal was a set plan that i can remember. Having a short midwicket diagonally to Babar as he tries to plays through on side in the air. He was trapped by Bishnoi. We have to see if there is a pattern to see if he is out of form or new weakness is identified. With Kohli pretty much everyone could identify.
 
There is a stark contrast between the manner of Rohit's and Babar's dismissals in this world cup.
 
He is just not cut out for T20. If he plays an ODI tomorrow, he might score a fluent 50 or 100 just working the gaps and scoring singles and doubles..
 
Almost seems people hoping that the best batter Pakistan has produced in ages will fail so that their point can be proven right. Pretty basic.
 
Test matches are very different to t20's.

It is, but I also recall him doing well in ODI's, that series in which Sharjeel played. He's touted as one of he best batters across formats so it's quite puzzling.

I think he should relinquish the captaincy and just concentrate on becoming a run machine again.
 
Babar will be back if not in this tournament than in near future. He probably just needs a break and refocus. There has been nonstop T20s and a lot of noise from outside regarding his batting and captaincy. Might be a good idea for him to rethink T20 captaincy and give it up just to focus on batting.

Also, his issues are limited to T20 cricket as he is not getting time to settle in and getting out in frustration. He will still very likely produce high quality results in ODI and test cricket.
 
Everything will be alright once we play against C/D players. Unfortunately he is just slight better than Ahmed Shehzad with no power hitting abilities.
 
Even if you want as an Indian, they dont player their home matches in the UAE

IN Australia good stroke play is rewarded. There is a caveat. During the usual season. This is early season. So it is going to be challenging. His style of play is not sustainable when the ball is zipping around, bouncing around.
 
Nah, he will be fine. He has limitations. Smart batsmen need to realize that and work on their limitations.

Fans should stop hyping Babar by comparing him to Kohli and other top league batsmen. You can be a very good batmen without being in the top league.
 
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He did well in Australia in t20is in 2019.

He's been out of form for last few months as simple as that. The extreme hatred and criticism he's gotten from critics, ex players and "fans" has made things worse for him.

He's not even 30 yet and his peak is yet to come. He'll be fine soon.
 
Another over the top reaction. He isn't the 1st and won't be the last to lose form and confidence. It's part of the game, and it wasn't long ago that Kohli couldn't buy a run and today he has got Ind into the SF where Rohit Sharma looks lost.
 
So why did he not score much in UAE, Pakistan and NZ last three series, there was no bounce or even movent there?

He was our 2nd highest run scorer in NZ Tri Series and Eng home series. That too by a very slight margin.
 
29. Following Pak's cricket from 99 WC. Played for my school, college and university cricket team. Also played at a cricket club part-time here in Rawalpindi.
 
It is, but I also recall him doing well in ODI's, that series in which Sharjeel played. He's touted as one of he best batters across formats so it's quite puzzling.

I think he should relinquish the captaincy and just concentrate on becoming a run machine again.

Agree, his captaincy is more worrying to me vs his batting.

Not playing the best player from your practice matches in the first few games (Waseem).

Playing your 4th bowler in the final over (Nawaz).

Not playing 4 seamers in Perth.

These are all rookie mistakes.
 
He did well in Australia in t20is in 2019.

He's been out of form for last few months as simple as that. The extreme hatred and criticism he's gotten from critics, ex players and "fans" has made things worse for him.

He's not even 30 yet and his peak is yet to come. He'll be fine soon.

This is a terrible thread Babar isnt some roadchap tullabaaz like umar akmal Hes a classical batsman whos made runs in all formats and all countries

Form is temporary and class is permanent Hes ll be back with a bang better than before Ia
 
Mark Wood exposed Babar Azam as a tailender in Pakistan. Kohli has smashed Mark Wood with ease whenever he has played against him.
 
Truly amazing just how quickly fans are ready to write off a player after some bad games, especially in a fickle format like T20. Like we just saw even the reigning WC champs in Australia with essentially the exact same squad struggle badly throughout the tournament in their home condition. It happens.

He'll be fine and he's been incredible in ODI's & Tests. Having a bad run in T20 and eventually he'll get out of it. Heck, you can just look back at the last few months and see he's had quite a few great performances. He'll be fine.
 
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Every player goes through a bad patch. The fabulous ones that you quote: there's a thread on Steve Smith being the worst T20I Aus player currently, Root's retired, also went through a poor patch in test cricket for more than a year. Kane is consistent but again, NZ haven't won any trophy for him to stand out. Kohli is averaging in the 20s this year in ODI and Test cricket, but has franked back to form in this World Cup.

Babar will also come out of it soon. However, I agree with you on 'how' will he get back up. Will it be in a typical Babar style i.e. little substance and quiet accumulation. Or will he try and mould his game to show-off his batting and let everyone take notice. That is a very big question, and Pakistan's next 5 years depend on this if he is to remain as skipper.

I'd want Babar to remain as the test captain, and give the LOI reigns to Shadab. Should be done after this tournament irrespective of the outcome.

Good analysis.
 
Mark Wood exposed Babar Azam as a tailender in Pakistan. Kohli has smashed Mark Wood with ease whenever he has played against him.

I didn't even know that. Just checked.

KOhli vs Mark wood

19 balls 46 runs 4 fours 3 sixes Strike rate 242.10 0 wicket

Kohli vs babar

6 bals 5 runs 1 four strike rate 83.33 2 wickets
 
Mark Wood exposed Babar Azam as a tailender in Pakistan. Kohli has smashed Mark Wood with ease whenever he has played against him.

Getting out to a bowler is hardly getting exposed Itd be hard to see a trend here

Come back to when hes got out to him more than a couple of times Now atherton getting out to mcgrath or ambrose like 17-19 times in tests is getting exposed

We are so fickle and quick to put our national players down its unbelievable
 
He is a below average T20 player. He will be back to scoring his usual 60 balls 70 once teams start fielding their reserved bowling attacks in bilateral series.
 
Feel ashamed to be pak fan, it look like we were just waiting for babar to fail so we can point our guns at him
 
This is a terrible thread Babar isnt some roadchap tullabaaz like umar akmal Hes a classical batsman whos made runs in all formats and all countries

Form is temporary and class is permanent Hes ll be back with a bang better than before Ia

It's just that so many of our fans love to see him fail.
 
Mark Wood exposed Babar Azam as a tailender in Pakistan. Kohli has smashed Mark Wood with ease whenever he has played against him.

And Hafeez toyed with Gayle when he was at the peak of his powers from 2011-2014. Doesn't change the fact that Gayle is the GOAT t20 batter.
 
This is a terrible thread Babar isnt some roadchap tullabaaz like umar akmal Hes a classical batsman whos made runs in all formats and all countries

Form is temporary and class is permanent Hes ll be back with a bang better than before Ia

Even Umar Akmal wasn't a tullaybaaz. He was a proper batter with a low IQ till 2015 after which he totally went all bananas.

Awais Zia, Haider Ali, Shahzaib Hasan, Mukhtar Ahmed etc those guys were tullaybaz.
 
No nothing is going to happen. He is a very good player, he will start scoring runs again. He is going to break almost every Pakistani batting record.

The best thing that can come out of this tournament is a reduction in hype by his fans. This hype has been his biggest problem.

They have forced him into comparisons with Kohli even though he will never be anywhere close to him.

He is simply not at that level and never will be, but Babar never asked for this comparison. He just wants to be Babar and do his thing.

Is he better than Williamson in all the three formats? Thoughts?
 
Is he better than Williamson in all the three formats? Thoughts?

Williamson has always been better than Babar in tests, even better than Kohli. In LOIs Babar is head and shoulders above Williamson. Williamson even has less tons in like 50 more innings than Babar. Not even close as I said.
 
Williamson has always been better than Babar in tests, even better than Kohli. In LOIs Babar is head and shoulders above Williamson. Williamson even has less tons in like 50 more innings than Babar. Not even close as I said.

Williamson averages 25 in England, 21 in South Africa, 26 in Sri Lanka and 33 in India.

How is he a better Test batsman than Kohli? He is not even close. It is actually debatable if he is better than Pujara or not.

Williamson is the most overhyped batsman of this generation. Babar for all his faults can easily become a better Test batsman than him.
 
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Is he better than Williamson in all the three formats? Thoughts?

At the moment, he is behind Williamson in Test cricket but it is only a matter of playing more matches. Williamson’s record against the big teams away from home is laughable, and I expect Babar to surpass him.

Babar is already ahead in LOIs.
 
Very premature thread, Babar is class ,the captaincy & the middle order vows didn’t do him any favours now that middle men are faring better he will come out of his shell , ideally he should hand over the captaincy to Shadab & play freely, the Kohli comparisons don’t help either he might a better cover drive then him but mentality he is nowhere near as tough as Kohli
 
He will come back to be a consistent good batter. There was never anything special about him and I don't see it changing in future too.
 
Too much overreaction on this thread, just like people were quick to write Kohli off. One can debate his playing position but dont see a major technical flaw in Babar’s game or his important role as an accumulator/ stabiliser. I cant believe people think that he cannot overcome a temporary dip in his form - class is permanent afterall!
 
This is a terrible thread Babar isnt some roadchap tullabaaz like umar akmal Hes a classical batsman whos made runs in all formats and all countries

Form is temporary and class is permanent Hes ll be back with a bang better than before Ia

The tullaybaaz seem to get all the tweeny fans too..remeber all those stupid umar Akmal threads we had to put up with?
 
He's batting too far in front of his stumps and that too in these conditions trying to bat with intent. Maybe bat a foot deeper and look to play late square of the wicket. He's playing without any control at the moment .
 
He'll be fine.

Just stop crushing him with fanciful expectations that come from a place of ego and silly comparisons with your neighbor's top batsman.
 
Williamson averages 25 in England, 21 in South Africa, 26 in Sri Lanka and 33 in India.

How is he a better Test batsman than Kohli? He is not even close. It is actually debatable if he is better than Pujara or not.

Williamson is the most overhyped batsman of this generation. Babar for all his faults can easily become a better Test batsman than him.

By this logic, Kohli also averages only 33 in England, 36 in NZ, 35 in WI, 14 in BD.

If they both end their career today, Williamson will be slightly ahead due to higher average and better innings to runs ratio but I will agree, anything can happen. Virat might end up better too as difference isn't much. As for Babar, he is inferior than both of them in tests rn.
 
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