Hindu caller on LBC bragging that everyone loves Hindus in the West

[Wave your flag]

He said they are peaceful and very kind , don't cause any trouble, are very successful and highly educated, fully integrate , have low crime rates and no one has a problem with them since they have never bothered anyone. He said according to statistics Hindus are less likely to be in jail than any other faith in the UK

But what he said is true. Compared to many Muslims, Hindus have all but integrated and are well liked and thought of in Western countries. They are so highly respected that even right wing extremist groups say they don't have a problem with them,

People keep brininging up backwards culture and village mentality keeping Pakistanis back. But many Hindus in India are very backwards including rape, women rights, caste etc yet that hasn't stopped them to fully integrate into western society when they move here and are doing very well for themselves.

Why have the Hindus integrated much better?

 

[big_gamer007]

I think we are brought up as tolerant towards other faiths and there is not that much focus on religion like in Islam where you have to pray 5 times a day and learn to read Quran and stuff.. Also the Hindus/Indians who migrated to America/UK wanted to go there for greener pastures as they were not happy with how things are in India so it's natural for them to want to integrate over there with locals..

 

[Stewie]

Hindus are very flexible, Muslims happen to be rigid. Islam teaches flexibility but most of us don't practice Islam the way it should be. A vast majority of us believes all non Muslims go to hell and anything and everything pertaining to their culture is haram. While I don't agree with the former, the latter is somewhat debatable. Bottom line is, it's a fine line but it can be tread to partially assimilate, if not fully. Now in the US, we are very productive members of their society and I would say we are somewhat assimilated to the US culture but not as much as Hindus and the reason behind it is simple. Hindus don't have such religion based judgments and restrictions, they dont consider non Hindus as all destined for hell. They do t consider it their stead fast duty to strictly not follow other traditions for fear of them being haram. Consumption of alcohol and non zabeeha meat is normal in India and those two things usually are the major sticking points for us Muslims and kind of set us apart from average Americans. We can't drink, we can't eat with them all of the time and we can't participate in all their activities due to our rigid code.

In short Hindus way of life can be considered closer to western way of living in some respects. They tick all the boxes for ice breakers and Muslims don't.

By the way similarly, Orthodox Jews, who have been living in the west for much much longer than Hindus and Muslims and are actually far less in numbers, still stand apart more than us or Hindus. They are very very rigid about their way of life.

 

[Slog]

When you don't fight to get your way or rights then you create less trouble and consequently seem to have integrated better

I know this is generalising but the whole threads about that anyway

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think Hindus are the best when they are in minority and contribute a lot to the society. This is what the Kashmiri poet Zargar was referring to when he wrote that hindus are like sugar and muslims like milk.

 

[Stewie]

When you don't fight to get your way or rights then you create less trouble and consequently seem to have integrated better

I know this is generalising but the whole threads about that anyway

Please elaborate!


Since 9/11 I know things are bad, but before that and even now I do t think our rights are under any major threat in the west.

 

[Slog]

When you don't fight to get your way or rights then you create less trouble and consequently seem to have integrated better

I know this is generalising but the whole threads about that anyway

For eg.

In many American colleges and even at town levels, the college administration and local governments helps in organising and funding Eid or other Islam/Muslim specific events. Sometimes Muslim communities build mosques in downtowns or in local suburbs

And obviously for many bigoted folks or ignorant folks not exposed to different cultures this comes across as 'cultural invasion'

Not once have I seen the Hindu communities making a unified effort to hold their events or open their places of worship with local funding. And forget about news coverage. At most in colleges you see holi celebration and even that is just a way to get drunk and party and its hilarious to sometimes see 'Holi events' hijacked by white people who have no clue about what holi is and start referring to it as 'paint parties' or 'color wars.'

So it's no surprise that a white guy from the suburb never gets to hear about what he Hindu community is upo and hence he will think they cause less 'trouble' and concludes that they must have integrated better. The truth is that the said community is too meek to step on anyone's toes and fight for their rights

 

[CricketCartoons]

Good point.


They develop a mob
Mentality when in majority

Maybe when they are in power they turn like that. India's golden period was when muslims were in power and hindus in majority, but not in power.

 

[Slog]

Please elaborate!


Since 9/11 I know things are bad, but before that and even now I do t think our rights are under any major threat in the west.

By rights I don't mean basic rights

I just mean making unified efforts to get funding for your events or engaging local administrations to hold your events or assist in places of worship etc etc. (Refer to my above post)

PS: obv these are just my observances

 

[TSA321]

They tend to value education very strongly when compared to other religious groups, which results in most of their Western born generation becoming professionals and being successful in life.

They're also generally much less strict when it comes to religion e.g. they don't believe you'll 'go to hell' if you drink alcohol, get into pre-marital relationships or dress less modestly or marry outside of your religion etc. I think these rules don't even exist in their religion. (Though I'm mainly talking about their young generation in the West, many of the old immigrants still may have these views)

It's also cause Hindu immigrants have disproportionately been well-educated before they arrive in the West, certainly when compared to Muslims, or they're Gujaratis who tend to be very good at business.

 

[Yossarian]

Why have the Hindus integrated much better?

One very simple reason. Most of the social life in the West involves an element of alcohol, whether 'going out for a drink', 'meeting in the pub', 'having a glass or two of wine or few pints of beer', all of which is a hindrance when it comes to Muslim/Pakistani couples socialising and mixing together with the majority host community. Hindus, on the other hand, shed these barriers even if they had them when they first arrived in the West, thus making socialising much easier.

 

[gasgemba]

Hindu values of compassion, non violence and respect for fellow man are close to the values of the west. IMO that is the main reason

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I don't think the media or Internet comments sections represent the whole picture.

I see more and more white European girls with Muslim guys everyday. (From teenage couples to the grown people).

People with agendas will always be there. Be it pro-Muslims or anti-Muslims.

My whole point is, the picture ain't as dark as it's made out to be. General population don't care much.

 

[hafeezrocks]

I don't think the media or Internet comments sections represent the whole picture.

I see more and more white European girls with Muslim guys everyday. (From teenage couples to the grown people).

People with agendas will always be there. Be it pro-Muslims or anti-Muslims.

My whole point is, the picture ain't as dark as it's made out to be. General population don't care much.

So having a White GF / Wife is the litmus test of being well integrated.

Just look how much negativity is around Muslims and Islam in the West these days, compared to Hindus/ Indians who are overall leading smooth, low profile lives without becoming the number one enemy of the right wing.

The Muslims in the West are providing enough fodder to run agendas against the community , take the recent grooming scandal for example where disgusting acts by a few are being linked with problems of Islamic society. If running agendas is so easy, then how do Indians manage to remain so non-controversial and sail through without fingers being pointed at them ?

 

[rahulrulezz]

I don't think drinking alcohol is the reason why Indians easily mix in well in the west. Most Hindus don't drink. Me or any member of my family has never touched alcohol yet I am really good buddies with most of my Canadian folks.

However, as someone said, Hindus don't have this 'us' vs 'them', and Hinduism says any person including nonHindus are good to go with heaven as long as they do good 'karma'. So Mother Teresa, Jesus, ABDUL Eidhi are all going to heaven. Hindus are more nationalistic than Muslims who are more religious. This helps them in mixing with locals.

 

[TSA321]

Hindu values of compassion, non violence and respect for fellow man are close to the values of the west. IMO that is the main reason

Strange that these values seem to be absent in India

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=7032]rahulrulezz[/MENTION] most Hindus and Sikhs i know and have met do drink. Their parents might not especially older women dont because of the conservatism of the older gen and the lack of a big drinking culture like in the West.

but the 2nd and 3rd gen Indian Hindu and Sikhs in U.K U.S Canada both men and women a large proportion do drink. amongst younger gen its near universal now.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

So having a White GF / Wife is the litmus test of being well integrated.

It might not be but I do consider it an important step as for as integration is concerned.

Just look how much negativity is around Muslims and Islam in the West these days, compared to Hindus/ Indians who are overall leading smooth, low profile lives without becoming the number one enemy of the right wing.

Media ain't everything, I am talking about the common middle class people here, who according to my whole life living besides them do not consider us 'enemy'. Even if the right winger do not like us, their next generation do not care about their out-dated ideology.

The Muslims in the West are providing enough fodder to run agendas against the community , take the recent grooming scandal for example where disgusting acts by a few are being linked with problems of Islamic society. If running agendas is so easy, then how do Indians manage to remain so non-controversial and sail through without fingers being pointed at them ?

Some sick fellas from Mandi/Jehlum/upper side of Gujrat do not represent us Punjabis, let alone the whole Islamic society.

(being intentionally we-be-holier-than-thou-racist here) Heck, we, the Jutts from Gujranwala, laugh at most of these whole Mandi/Jehlum/upper Gujratis. Just look at their mug-shots issued by Police, makrooh shaklan.

I don't know many Indians but I am sure they have their own set of problems. For example, I knew this Indian girl at my Uni and they were having problems at home (the classic Desi forced marriage package).

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION]'s point about the importance of alcohol when it comes to socialisation and socialising amongst the white brit community is very apt.

Majority of the socialising is done down the pub. The Brits and Germans are famous for this.
Which is obviously a barrier for practising observant Muslims.

 

[Rafa]

Don't think it's as simple as drinking Alcohol, it's more related to overall reputation of the community. Hindus don't have skirmishes or community issues with the indigenous people and are always open to adjust, plus no involvement in terror related incidents helps, along with very less numbers in prisons and criminal activities. Well focused on Education too.

I find it ironic that so many Muslims show disregard towards the Hindu way of living which involves worshipping cows, idols and how they are destined for hell and yet they seem to be doing much better than Muslims in every Western Country. The Hindus also tend to be less judgmental and more open-minded towards the culture of the majority and don't differentiate everything into halal and Haram.

 

[Adil_94]

also the levels of education of the migrants is an issue too. you dont get much of the braindead Hindutva goons or the idiots who marry dogs coming to the U.K or the west.

Generally the Indian migrants from both Hindu and Sikh to the U.K background already have come from entrepeneurial backgrounds or have undergone a good level of education so they have integrated better. Most of them in the U.K are middle class and educated so they are seen as a model minority just like South and East Asians are seen as in the U.S

U.S Pakistanis are also primarily from Middle Class educated backgrounds and they do better than the White U.S population in most metrics.

And the working or underclass minorities i.e the Hispanics and Blacks are seen as the more troublesome ones.

 

[Adil_94]

also yes if u see orthodox jews they have very similar mentality to a lot of orthodox muslims because of the rituals they have to follow. its very easy for communities like that to become more insular.

 

[Braveheart]

Strange that these values seem to be absent in India

These values are also absent in many non East African Origin Hindus.
Go to areas of Wolverhampton and Leicester and you will find these 'Backward' Hindus.

 

[Musakhel]

2nd/3rd gen Hindus don't marry from back home, from what I have observed.

 

[TSA321]

These values are also absent in many non East African Origin Hindus.
Go to areas of Wolverhampton and Leicester and you will find these 'Backward' Hindus.

Then there's also the Sri Lankans in London

 

[troodon]

Fewer inhibitions
Religion not a hindrance
Belief that there are many ways to reach God
No outward display of religious affiliation
Most Hindus are not religious even though they follow some traditions and festivals.
Hindus do not fear hell fires just because we break some rules of the religion.
Hinduism is a pretty lose set of traditions. You can remain a Hindu by not following many traditions.

All this being said, many Hindus do not integrate well with natives in the west. Many are too shy and for many others language becomes a problem.

All of the above also applies to Chinese , Japanese, Srilankans, Nepalese etc.

 

[troodon]

I don't think the media or Internet comments sections represent the whole picture.

I see more and more white European girls with Muslim guys everyday. (From teenage couples to the grown people).

People with agendas will always be there. Be it pro-Muslims or anti-Muslims.

My whole point is, the picture ain't as dark as it's made out to be. General population don't care much.

I have seen some Muslim folk with white GF's who drink and go clubbing regularly.

When Muslim men marry white women, the women changes completely and starts following Islam. so it's really not integration into western society.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think drinking alcohol is the reason why Indians easily mix in well in the west.

In that case you must be unfamiliar with how, for example, social life in places like the UK, especially amongst the working class, revolves around 'going to the pub' .

Most Hindus don't drink. Me or any member of my family has never touched alcohol yet I am really good buddies with most of my Canadian folks.

Do Canadians have a social culture where alcohol plays a key part? Whether going to the bar/pub, having a few glasses of wine when socialising, going to bars/clubs for an evening out? And if so, do you go socialising in a similar manner (without the drinking) with your Canadian buddies?

In my case, as an example, when at company conferences and events, after dinner everyone decides to troop off to the bar or club (at companies expense) and go socialising/drinking until the early hours of the morning, I usually decline to spend the rest of the evening doing the same, and either hang around with others who are not into the drinking/clubbing culture, or go to my room and watch a film before going to bed early.

That then means that after a few such events/conferences, they don't usually ask me to join them knowing that I will refuse. In contrast, the two or three Indians jump at the chance to join in the drinking/clubbing culture.
Result? I am not 'integrating' to the same extent as the Indians.

However, as someone said, Hindus don't have this 'us' vs 'them', and Hinduism says any person including nonHindus are good to go with heaven as long as they do good 'karma'. So Mother Teresa, Jesus, ABDUL Eidhi are all going to heaven. Hindus are more nationalistic than Muslims who are more religious. This helps them in mixing with locals.

That is a load of self-delusional rubbish. I am less 'Asian' than the aforementioned Indians in every way (Unlike them, I don't go on about Indian or Pakistani politics because they don't interest me, I'm not into Bollywood/Lollywood, Indian/Pakistani music or films etc). I'm not even particularly religious (as you may have gathered from my postings on PP). In fact I'm far more 'British' than the Indians in every way..except for the drinking part.

 

[Snak3eye5]

To an extent I agree to the above . You don't have to drink to assimilate and can just join in order some non alcoholic beverage and still do business. But the question is whether the 90%of Hindus would join in regardless while the muslims probably won't. I don't know.

I'm also wildly intrigued by this thread and the other one regarding Indian born folks who are ceo's of Fortune 500 Us companies and if there is a direct correlation here. I never thought about it before until I jumped on this thread. But the top 9 -10 Indian ceos in USA are all either Hindu, Sikh or Christian. If there is an Indian Muslim CEO heading a USA company. Please let me know. Google search wasn't giving any results. I would have liked to believe that the muslims in India are different in their thinking than the ones outside India. Maybe not ??

Out of all the majority hindu ceos you have the minority Indians

Ajay Banga of Master Card who is Sikh
George Kurian off NetApp who is Christian
Francisco D’Souza, of Cognizant who is Christian

I found this while doing a search. Should the mods combine both threads ? It seems there is a direct correlation with both.

 

[Snak3eye5]

If anyone interested below is the link to he top 9- 10 ceos of Indian origin. I find their personal values interesting

http://m.economictimes.com/slidesho...y/sundar-pichai-google/slideshow/53709251.cms

 

[GBK_Fan]

When you don't fight to get your way or rights then you create less trouble and consequently seem to have integrated better

I know this is generalising but the whole threads about that anyway

Or you could put it down to significantly increased emphasis on education, not being happy working in a kebab shop or driving a cab; not rioting on the streets since their holy book was desecrated in another country or atrocities occurring in some other part of the world; refusing to wear their religion on their sleeves which results in an us vs them attitude; increasing awareness to not treat their women like cattle and allowing them to make their own choices

But then all of the above would require a positive change in attitudes which is significantly harder. Putting it down to fighting for their rights or alcohol is the easy way out. Kudos

 

[cricketjoshila]

For eg.

In many American colleges and even at town levels, the college administration and local governments helps in organising and funding Eid or other Islam/Muslim specific events. Sometimes Muslim communities build mosques in downtowns or in local suburbs

And obviously for many bigoted folks or ignorant folks not exposed to different cultures this comes across as 'cultural invasion'

Not once have I seen the Hindu communities making a unified effort to hold their events or open their places of worship with local funding. And forget about news coverage. At most in colleges you see holi celebration and even that is just a way to get drunk and party and its hilarious to sometimes see 'Holi events' hijacked by white people who have no clue about what holi is and start referring to it as 'paint parties' or 'color wars.'

So it's no surprise that a white guy from the suburb never gets to hear about what he Hindu community is upo and hence he will think they cause less 'trouble' and concludes that they must have integrated better. The truth is that the said community is too meek to step on anyone's toes and fight for their rights

Who decides what are the rights of Hindus?What they should fight for?Pakistani Muslims?

As i said in another thread, when you cant digest a quality of someone,call them meek or servile.

Hindus dont need to showoff their religion.When my nephews or nieces go to school in UK or US and they need to eat pure veg food they carry it from home and dont demand special priviledges.One rule for everyone.if anyone has special needs he should take care of it himself and not make demands to local govt.

Why should a govt fund Eid or a mosque or holi or a temple?Collect money among the community and fund it.Hindus btw have built many temples.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Coming to the topic,the reason is that majority of these hindus will be of Indian origin.Now in India growing up you will mix with muslims sikhs christians everyone.You get a sense of adjustment with people who are not if the same belief.So when they are in the west the assimilate easily as its ingrained in them from childhood.

Majority of muslims will come from islamic countries where there will be very little diversity in beliefs so the need to adjust isnt there.When they move to the west,they find it difficult to assimilate as thats not how they are brought up.

 

[JaDed]

Should save this thread,the amount of positive posts about Hindus in west in this threads by usual haters just makes wonder whether I was dreaming previously.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] If I'm going to North America and taking up someone's job ,it will be in the back of my mind that I took someone's job thereby not asking much from the local authorities(because it will be already better than what one get's here),the only time issue of rights come in is when racism kicks in and Hindus/Dharmic religions do talk about that.

 

[PakLFC]

He is allowed to praise his community all he wants providing it is not at the expense of Islam. In Islam there are many restrictions like banning of alcohol and night clubs etc so many Muslim's are considered as being anti social for that reason. I have a problem when people say Muslim's don't integrate! What they really mean is that many Muslim's don't drink alcohol, womanise or go clubbing etc that other communities don't like! There is room to manoeuvre within Islam, we are also allowed to have fun you know! Many Pakistanis and Muslim's from other countries do also bring their culture with them causing further problems as well.

 

[Jadz]

I do not think we can separate politics from the way different communities are perceived. Jews are never portrayed in a negative light by corporate news media, because of the government's pro-Israeli/Zionist stance. Indians and Hindus are rarely portrayed in a negative light by news/entertainment media, because India is still seen as the British 'jewel in the crown'.

On the other hand, Muslims are routinely depicted as terrorists and paedophiles, because this justifies Western military intervention in the Arab/Muslim world.

News media do not cover persecution and slaughter of Muslims by Christians, Hindus or Buddhists in India, Myanmar or the DRC. Thus, Muslims are seen as violent, intolerant and extreme, whilst Hindus, Jews and others are viewed in positive light, as fully integrated and less 'religious'.

When governments pursue particular policies - foreign, especially - they are reflected in the way news media present narratives that impact positively or negatively upon different communities.

The truth is, Muslims are fully integrated into UK society, work, pay taxes and make great contributions to its economy and culture. When it suits the agendas of government and news/entertainment media, that truth is made known.

 

[Black Zero]

I think Hindus are the best when they are in minority and contribute a lot to the society. This is what the Kashmiri poet Zargar was referring to when he wrote that hindus are like sugar and muslims like milk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadi_Rana

One interesting, perhaps apocryphal Parsi legend relates the course of the initial meeting between Jadi Rana and the newly landed emigrants: When the Zoroastrians requested asylum, Jadi Rana motioned to a vessel of milk filled to the very brim to signify that his kingdom was already full and could not accept refugees. In response, one of the Zoroastrian priests added a pinch of sugar to the milk, thus indicating that they would not bring the vessel to overflowing and indeed make the lives of the citizens sweeter. Jadi Rana gave shelter to the emigrants and permitted them to practice their religion and traditions freely.

 

[Wave your flag]

I don't think the media or Internet comments sections represent the whole picture.

I see more and more white European girls with Muslim guys everyday. (From teenage couples to the grown people).

People with agendas will always be there. Be it pro-Muslims or anti-Muslims.

My whole point is, the picture ain't as dark as it's made out to be. General population don't care much.

I'm sorry but marrying/dating white women is not a indicator of integration.

Not to generalise but I know many Muslim men that date or that have ended up marrying white girls. And it's always the usual story. When they dating he lets her drink,wear what she wants and they party hard together. But if he ends up marrying her, he suddenly tries to control her, tells her to stop drinking ,to cover up, stop seeing her friends and being so outgoing, and pressures her to convert.

I have a white friend that married a Pakistani that was open minded at the start then once they got married he beat the living daylights out of her because he wanted her to cover up , his family didn't like her, arguments over whether they son should be circumcised etc. Ofcourse that's not always the case but this happens a lot.

 

[James]

Coming to the topic,the reason is that majority of these hindus will be of Indian origin.Now in India growing up you will mix with muslims sikhs christians everyone.You get a sense of adjustment with people who are not if the same belief.So when they are in the west the assimilate easily as its ingrained in them from childhood.

Majority of muslims will come from islamic countries where there will be very little diversity in beliefs so the need to adjust isnt there.When they move to the west,they find it difficult to assimilate as thats not how they are brought up.

Good post, completely agree.

 

[PakLFC]

If you observe the Muslim's who are criticised for being anti social or not integrating are clean living ones who don't gamble, smoke, drink liquor, womanise or go clubbing. As other religions don't forbid these acts their people are seen as being well integrated and sociable. I have even forced many to admit that is exactly what they mean when they accuse Muslims of this. I am talking about minorities in the west here.

 

[JaDed]

I do not think we can separate politics from the way different communities are perceived. Jews are never portrayed in a negative light by corporate news media, because of the government's pro-Israeli/Zionist stance. Indians and Hindus are rarely portrayed in a negative light by news/entertainment media, because India is still seen as the British 'jewel in the crown'.

On the other hand, Muslims are routinely depicted as terrorists and paedophiles, because this justifies Western military intervention in the Arab/Muslim world.

News media do not cover persecution and slaughter of Muslims by Christians, Hindus or Buddhists in India, Myanmar or the DRC. Thus, Muslims are seen as violent, intolerant and extreme, whilst Hindus, Jews and others are viewed in positive light, as fully integrated and less 'religious'.

When governments pursue particular policies - foreign, especially - they are reflected in the way news media present narratives that impact positively or negatively upon different communities.

The truth is, Muslims are fully integrated into UK society, work, pay taxes and make great contributions to its economy and culture. When it suits the agendas of government and news/entertainment media, that truth is made known.

Sorry to say but foreign media does highlight persecution of Christians,Muslims by Hindus in India much more than Brit's own doings in Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

[TM Riddle]

Meek
Some posters finally showing their true colours.

 

[Chrish]

Hindus usually don't have us vs them mentality. They are usually just happy doing their thing staying away from controversy stuff and making the most of given opportunity.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Hindus have less of ghetto type culture that is the hallmark of some other communities , they are open minded and less susceptible to religious brainwashing - well atleast the younger generations are.

 

[Jadz]

Sorry to say but foreign media does highlight persecution of Christians,Muslims by Hindus in India much more than Brit's own doings in Iraq/Afghanistan.

I was referring to perception of Hindus and Muslims in the UK. The former are viewed as fully integrated and peace-loving, the latter as isolationist and violent. These differences in perception are an outcome of constant negative coverage of all things relating to Muslims in the British news and entertainment media.

Regarding foreign media, tbh, I have not seen much coverage of anti-Muslim discrimination and persecution on CNN, FOX, RT or CGTN, some about the suffering of Rohingya Muslims at the hands of Buddhists in Myanmar on Al-Jazeera. The only news channel that always covers killings of Muslims and Christians in India by Hindu nationalists, fundamentalists and extremists is NDTV.

 

[Slog]

Coming to the topic,the reason is that majority of these hindus will be of Indian origin.Now in India growing up you will mix with muslims sikhs christians everyone.You get a sense of adjustment with people who are not if the same belief.So when they are in the west the assimilate easily as its ingrained in them from childhood.

Majority of muslims will come from islamic countries where there will be very little diversity in beliefs so the need to adjust isnt there.When they move to the west,they find it difficult to assimilate as thats not how they are brought up.

Nice post. Didn't think of it this way. Def this also plays a big part

 

[Slog]

Meek
Some posters finally showing their true colours.

What true colours?

I've said this or something along these lines half a dozen times here. Few Indian PPers have also agreed in the past

 

[Specialisttailender]

Then there's also the Sri Lankans in London

Have few here too but they don't act in the name of gods and I doubt they go temple. But muslim gangs do what they do and then they go pray and avoid alcohol so they carry religious identity.

 

[Specialisttailender]

So having a White GF / Wife is the litmus test of being well integrated.

Just look how much negativity is around Muslims and Islam in the West these days, compared to Hindus/ Indians who are overall leading smooth, low profile lives without becoming the number one enemy of the right wing.

The Muslims in the West are providing enough fodder to run agendas against the community , take the recent grooming scandal for example where disgusting acts by a few are being linked with problems of Islamic society. If running agendas is so easy, then how do Indians manage to remain so non-controversial and sail through without fingers being pointed at them ?

Indian middle aged men are viewed as perverts. Please search up of the names of Uber drivers charged for sexual harassment in Toronto and 90% of them are Indians.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In the west nobody loves them or hates (in general) as they are pretty much irrelevant in global terms.

Hindu's have never had a global empire and never will. They do not live in lands with natural resources such as oil. Muslims have been demonised by governments and media for imperial purposes. If Hindus were living in those lands, they would be seen as the same. Everything else people have said is nonsense imo.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hope it remains that way for Hindus ,coz global empire never mattered here,even the dimwit right wing groups go as far as to only terming as 'Akhand 'Bharat which hardly cares about the world.

 

[boomboomcheema]

In the west nobody loves them or hates (in general) as they are pretty much irrelevant in global terms.

Hindu's have never had a global empire and never will. They do not live in lands with natural resources such as oil. Muslims have been demonised by governments and media for imperial purposes. If Hindus were living in those lands, they would be seen as the same. Everything else people have said is nonsense imo.

Pretty much this. So irrelevant that nobody cares.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hope it remains that way for Hindus ,coz global empire never mattered here,even the dimwit right wing groups go as far as to only terming as 'Akhand 'Bharat which hardly cares about the world.

It will dont worry. It's nothing do with mattering, all civilisastions like to expand borders if possible. It was a matter of capability not mindset.

 

[Wave your flag]

In the west nobody loves them or hates (in general) as they are pretty much irrelevant in global terms.

Hindu's have never had a global empire and never will. They do not live in lands with natural resources such as oil. Muslims have been demonised by governments and media for imperial purposes. If Hindus were living in those lands, they would be seen as the same. Everything else people have said is nonsense imo.

Doesn't change the fact that in Western countries Hindus are much more successful and better integrated. They have extremely low crime rates.

Compare that to Muslims in the West. 70% of the population of France’s prisons are Muslims, despite only 8-10% of the population
being Muslim. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...8/What-is-going-wrong-in-Frances-prisons.html

Add to that grooming gangs, cologne attacks, terrorism etc. But ofcourse we've been demonised by the imperialist West.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In the west nobody loves them or hates (in general) as they are pretty much irrelevant in global terms.

Hindu's have never had a global empire and never will. They do not live in lands with natural resources such as oil. Muslims have been demonised by governments and media for imperial purposes. If Hindus were living in those lands, they would be seen as the same. Everything else people have said is nonsense imo.

Here comes the rant.

Hindus relevance isnt decided by Pakistanis like you,no matter how much you whine.

 

[Slog]

Here comes the rant.

Hindus relevance isnt decided by Pakistanis like you,no matter how much you whine.

Don't know what his motivations are but its true.

Hindus have never been of global relevance.

 

[Rafa]

Don't know what his motivations are but its true.

Hindus have never been of global relevance.

I think it was more to with Geography that majority of Hindus happen to be from India which has never been a powerful expansionist Kingdom compared to Muslims, French, English, Portugese and Spanish. No role played ever in any of the World Wars as a United Force or had any relevance . Were never the Superpowers with impact like USA, Russians, Germans or the Japanese.

Even today, an ordinary American wouldn't be able to differentiate between a Hindu or a Muslim from SC or point India on the World Map. Even though a few Indians keep celebrating the success of their Managers in Unites States as if they have become household names in the country, pretty much no average American even cares about it.

Do you think Chinese or Buddhists were of any relevance in the past ?

The only time time an Indian is brought into attention is when peace on focus and non-violence has to be made - " Hey Look at Gandhi, let's Follow him "

 

[KingKhanWC]

Doesn't change the fact that in Western countries Hindus are much more successful and better integrated. They have extremely low crime rates.

Compare that to Muslims in the West. 70% of the population of France’s prisons are Muslims, despite only 8-10% of the population
being Muslim. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...8/What-is-going-wrong-in-Frances-prisons.html

Add to that grooming gangs, cologne attacks, terrorism etc. But ofcourse we've been demonised by the imperialist West.

There are reasons for everything, dont just pick up on stats without understanding them. In prisons minorities are generally represented higher than their overall population. Did you know many Non-Muslims claim to be Muslims in prison because Muslims have different food, usually a nightly curry with rice which is better than the general population food.

By your logic Blacks in America are also not integrated.

Sure Hindus may not be into crime as much but they are not into sport as much either. Crime is also not a reflection integration , everybody breaks the law at some point, Im sure you have too, guessing you are not integrated because of this?

Do you disagree if Hindu's were in the shoes of Muslims in the middle east they would also be demonised? You have to demonise people before you can bomb them so your public keeps quiet.

You are good at starting threads but please provide a better arguments for your points.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here comes the rant.

Hindus relevance isnt decided by Pakistanis like you,no matter how much you whine.

No its defined by history.

 

[hafeezrocks]

In the west nobody loves them or hates (in general) as they are pretty much irrelevant in global terms.

Depends from country to country.For example, Are they not influential in the present UK? Similar to Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Depends from country to country.For example, Are they not influential in the present UK? Similar to Muslims.

There are a few MP's but nobody of note. A few musicians, writers and cricketers, that's about it.

A lot of Hindu's actually just leave their religion which isn't integration but a change of culture. Sikhs and Muslims generally stick to their religion and are more recognisable in public by their dress or beards.

Leicster probably has the largest population of Hindu's. I've never seen the likes of the far right Hindu's we see in the BJP party, here they are generally very liberal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are a few MP's but nobody of note. A few musicians, writers and cricketers, that's about it.

A lot of Hindu's actually just leave their religion which isn't integration but a change of culture. Sikhs and Muslims generally stick to their religion and are more recognisable in public by their dress or beards.

Leicster probably has the largest population of Hindu's. I've never seen the likes of the far right Hindu's we see in the BJP party, here they are generally very liberal.

Some of the richest businessmen in UK are Hindus.Far richer than any Pakistani muslim.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't know what his motivations are but its true.

Hindus have never been of global relevance.

What is the benchmark of relevance and who decides it?

Muslims being associated with Terrorism Violence and Wars is relevance?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It will dont worry. It's nothing do with mattering, all civilisastions like to expand borders if possible. It was a matter of capability not mindset.

Capability? You mean the capability because of which almost the entire south Asia was hindu?FYI entire Pakistan was hindu before they decided to convert to islam.Dont know what are you on about.

In hinduism there is no concept of conversion so expansion of empire isnt related to religion.

 

[Chrish]

Indians bar far are the most successful ethnic group here in United States.

And they have pretty much done the same everywhere else outside of India turning into model minority.

Is that because of brain drain or because of corruption back home that they can't run a successful country? I don't know

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think it was more to with Geography that majority of Hindus happen to be from India which has never been a powerful expansionist Kingdom compared to Muslims, French, English, Portugese and Spanish. No role played ever in any of the World Wars as a United Force or had any relevance . Were never the Superpowers with impact like USA, Russians, Germans or the Japanese.

Even today, an ordinary American wouldn't be able to differentiate between a Hindu or a Muslim from SC or point India on the World Map. Even though a few Indians keep celebrating the success of their Managers in Unites States as if they have become household names in the country, pretty much no average American even cares about it.

Do you think Chinese or Buddhists were of any relevance in the past ?

The only time time an Indian is brought into attention is when peace on focus and non-violence has to be made - " Hey Look at Gandhi, let's Follow him "

At its peak entire south asia was Hindu.From Indonesia to Afghanistan.

But since in Hinduism there is no concept of conversion,religion was never the inspiration to expanding the empire.

What do you know about the chinese empires?Any idea?

What roles had Pakistanis played in any world war?

What is the view of avg American on Muslims?Will they know about them except for 9/11 /Wars/ Terrorism etc?Dont delude yourself thinking that the West recognises Muslims esp.Pakistanis as some kind of world power.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians bar far are the most successful ethnic group here in United States.

And they have pretty much done the same everywhere else outside of India turning into model minority.

Is that because of brain drain or because of corruption back home that they can't run a successful country? I don't know

Most successful will be the jews.

But yes Indian community is economically very successful in every country they have gone to.

 

[Chrish]

Most successful will be the jews.

But yes Indian community is economically very successful in every country they have gone to.

Economically and academically Indian households have higher income and qualifications than any other group.

Jews on the other have still have higher impact because they have produced more inventors/ philosophers/ intellectuals than any other minority group over the years

 

[cricketjoshila]

As i said some people cant digest the qualities of Indians/Hindus....so here we go again with the same old adjectives of Servile meek docile irrelevant etc etc being dished out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Economically and academically Indian households have higher income and qualifications than any other group.

Jews on the other have still have higher impact because they have produced more inventors/ philosophers/ intellectuals than and other minority group

Indians have higher economical and academic stature than Jews?Dont think so.

 

[Stewie]

At its peak entire south asia was Hindu.From Indonesia to Afghanistan.

But since in Hinduism there is no concept of conversion,religion was never the inspiration to expanding the empire.

What do you know about the chinese empires?Any idea?

What roles had Pakistanis played in any world war?

What is the view of avg American on Muslims?Will they know about them except for 9/11 /Wars/ Terrorism etc?Dont delude yourself thinking that the West recognises Muslims esp.Pakistanis as some kind of world power.

The world may not give us credit for it much but we had a big part in stopping a world super power in its tracks in Afghanistan. Had we not done that, we would have been wiped out and India would have been the next target of the Soviets on a rampage.


In a way this great accomplishment has now turned out to be a big problem for us as well!

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are reasons for everything, dont just pick up on stats without understanding them. In prisons minorities are generally represented higher than their overall population. Did you know many Non-Muslims claim to be Muslims in prison because Muslims have different food, usually a nightly curry with rice which is better than the general population food.

By your logic Blacks in America are also not integrated.

Sure Hindus may not be into crime as much but they are not into sport as much either. Crime is also not a reflection integration , everybody breaks the law at some point, Im sure you have too, guessing you are not integrated because of this?

Do you disagree if Hindu's were in the shoes of Muslims in the middle east they would also be demonised? You have to demonise people before you can bomb them so your public keeps quiet.

You are good at starting threads but please provide a better arguments for your points.

If NATO needed to bomb anyone they will bomb them.

How is a muslim involved in grooming in UK justification to bomb Iraq?Any idea?

 

[Stewie]

As i said some people cant digest the qualities of Indians/Hindus....so here we go again with the same old adjectives of Servile meek docile irrelevant etc etc being dished out.

To be fair the same qualities of Hindus are viewed as weakness and meekness and simply pandering to the West by us solely because of the ideological differences, we have with them but not Hindus. In this respect, we start confusing that Hindus are not bound by any such obligations as we are and hence free to do what they do here. So there is this misunderstanding there in my view.

Hindus are just more malleable to societal and cultural changes due to lax religious restrictions whereas Muslims do not enjoy those benefits.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The world may not give us credit for it much but we had a big part in stopping a world super power in its tracks in Afghanistan. Had we not done that, we would have been wiped out and India would have been the next target of the Soviets on a rampage.


In a way this great accomplishment has now turned out to be a big problem for us as well!

So if the world is not giving you credit then its it makes you irrelevant.Isnt it?By logic of some posters here.

The men were afghan.Money weapons and training by Americans.Pakistan was only a conduit.If Pakistan had that much capability they would hsve taken away Kashmir from India.

India isnt a small country.Soviets were treaty allies of India.A treaty that saw them chase US 7th fleet out of Indian ocean.

 

[Chrish]

Indians have higher economical and academic stature than Jews?Dont think so.

Yup here in USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans#Socioeconomic_status

 

[Stewie]

So if the world is not giving you credit then its it makes you irrelevant.Isnt it?By logic of some posters here.

The men were afghan.Money weapons and training by Americans.Pakistan was only a conduit.If Pakistan had that much capability they would hsve taken away Kashmir from India.

India isnt a small country.Soviets were treaty allies of India.A treaty that saw them chase US 7th fleet out of Indian ocean.

You can start qualifying it and twisting the situation to neet your own ends but that doesnt change history and the more learned and academics in this field acknowledge the truth, you can google it. I just said what I said in response to your glaring attack on Pakistan, that's all. You should watch what you say considering we welcome you and your countrymen in a Pakistani forum and the Adkins here are pretty quick to admonish any slights or insults towards your country. It would behiove you to do the same with your rants.

 

[Chrish]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Americans#Health_and_medicine

 

[KingKhanWC]

Some of the richest businessmen in UK are Hindus.Far richer than any Pakistani muslim.

So? lol

Capability? You mean the capability because of which almost the entire south Asia was hindu?FYI entire Pakistan was hindu before they decided to convert to islam.Dont know what are you on about.

In Hinduism there is no concept of conversion so expansion of empire isnt related to religion.

There were Hindu empires in the past. Every civilisation expands, Hindu empires just didnt expand beyond South Asia. Because of this the major Hindu populations are only in South Asia. If they were global they would have more relevance today.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Coming to the topic,the reason is that majority of these hindus will be of Indian origin.Now in India growing up you will mix with muslims sikhs christians everyone.You get a sense of adjustment with people who are not if the same belief.So when they are in the west the assimilate easily as its ingrained in them from childhood.

Majority of muslims will come from islamic countries where there will be very little diversity in beliefs so the need to adjust isnt there.When they move to the west,they find it difficult to assimilate as thats not how they are brought up.

To be fair the same qualities of Hindus are viewed as weakness and meekness and simply pandering to the West by us solely because of the ideological differences, we have with them but not Hindus. In this respect, we start confusing that Hindus are not bound by any such obligations as we are and hence free to do what they do here. So there is this misunderstanding there in my view.

Hindus are just more malleable to societal and cultural changes due to lax religious restrictions whereas Muslims do not enjoy those benefits.

Read my post quoted above.

Hindus never have the concept of religion being part of the state.Neither in hindus one needs to tell another one how to follow his religion.In more than 4000 years since its inception,Hindus have been like this.You are free to follow the religion any which way you want and you and only you will be answerable for it.Its always about your intention and feeling that matters in hinduism.

If a hindu needs to do something about his religion he will do it himself he wont go to school authorities or local govt demanding it.

Muslims have as much difference with Hindus as they have with the west.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If NATO needed to bomb anyone they will bomb them.

How is a muslim involved in grooming in UK justification to bomb Iraq?Any idea?

Nato or more accurately USA and UK bombed Iraq for oil, it's no secret. If Hindu's ruled Iraq and didnt comply they would have been bombed too.

Muslim grooming gangs are an issue but the media also use this to demonise Muslims as what they are doing including drinking, drugs and fornication is western culture not Muslim culture.