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Hindu caller on LBC bragging that everyone loves Hindus in the West

You can start qualifying it and twisting the situation to neet your own ends but that doesnt change history and the more learned and academics in this field acknowledge the truth, you can google it. I just said what I said in response to your glaring attack on Pakistan, that's all. You should watch what you say considering we welcome you and your countrymen in a Pakistani forum and the Adkins here are pretty quick to admonish any slights or insults towards your country. It would behiove you to do the same with your rants.

Pakistan or for that matter any country in the world was incapable of taking on the Soviets.Except when funded trained and equipped by NATO.You can replace the word Pakistan with India and the truth will be the same for that timeline.
 
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So? lol



There were Hindu empires in the past. Every civilisation expands, Hindu empires just didnt expand beyond South Asia. Because of this the major Hindu populations are only in South Asia. If they were global they would have more relevance today.

So these extremely wealthy Hindus who run worldwide businesses and provide employment to 100s of 1000s of white are not relevant but some how some Pakistani sportsman is.Right?

Hindus expanded as much as they wanted to.Hindu/Buddhist emperors went to as far as Japan.Since most of the pre islamic structures in Islamic nations have been destroyed we dont know if Hinduism was followed in Arabia or not or central Asia.

They may have been hindus who converted to Muslims like Pakistanis or Bangladeshis or Indonesians.
 
So these extremely wealthy Hindus who run worldwide businesses and provide employment to 100s of 1000s of white are not relevant but some how some Pakistani sportsman is.Right?

Hindus expanded as much as they wanted to.Hindu/Buddhist emperors went to as far as Japan.Since most of the pre islamic structures in Islamic nations have been destroyed we dont know if Hinduism was followed in Arabia or not or central Asia.

They may have been hindus who converted to Muslims like Pakistanis or Bangladeshis or Indonesians.

In case you missed it the topic is regarding Hindu's being loved in the west. The average joe doesn't know the name of most if any of the wealthy Hindus. Arts, Politicians and Sports professionals are more well known.

Why they didn't expand isnt important here, the fact Hindu's are mainly located in one area of the world gives them less relevance globally, this should be obvious to anyone. Therefore many people in the west have little opinions or views of Hindus unless they have an interest in the religion.
 
Yup Buddhism that has expended so much in Asia also originated from India.

Indian influence in Asia is spread far and wide.
 
Apparently if there is no killing of innocents and capturing land,less relevance in the world,makes sense i suppose.No wonder Jainism is easily the most non-violent religion and might not be of relevance but don't hurt living beings.
 
Apparently if there is no killing of innocents and capturing land,less relevance in the world,makes sense i suppose.No wonder Jainism is easily the most non-violent religion and might not be of relevance but don't hurt living beings.

Right. Unless you start spreading your religion by violence or demand special previliges because of your religion, you will be considered meek and docile and of not much relevance to the outside world.
 
Most Scandinavian countries have been globally irrelevant for the most part of the human civilization.
I'd rather prefer to be meek and ignored than get bombed every Friday from countries whom I consider friends.
 
What is the benchmark of relevance and who decides it?

Muslims being associated with Terrorism Violence and Wars is relevance?

Having civilisations across different continents for over a millennia would be one measure
 
Hindus in the west are majority from India and since its a discussion between Indians and Pakistanis its better to keep it like that.

Who am i to speak of a Balinese hindu?Who are you to speak about an emirati?
It's a discussion on religion here bro
 
Most Scandinavian countries have been globally irrelevant for the most part of the human civilization.
I'd rather prefer to be meek and ignored than get bombed every Friday from countries whom I consider friends.

They aren't irrelevant

Scandinavians were the first Europeans to discover North America.

Greenland, Iceland were populated and founded by them

Long history. Hardly irrelevant on a global scale
 
The truth is that the said community is too meek to step on anyone's toes and fight for their rights

Presumptions and Judgement - all negative and typical?

Can it not be that the community just believes in having a harmless good time and is welcoming and participating to others of the same ?
 
Problem with some of the people here is that they cant digest the success of one community , a community which they have been taught to hate since childhood through brainwashing by those in power and therefore even years of education in good universities havent been able to erase that resulting in their small minds concocting and coming out with BS such as this to justify their own ineptness.
So called liberals.
 
Apparently if there is no killing of innocents and capturing land,less relevance in the world,makes sense i suppose.No wonder Jainism is easily the most non-violent religion and might not be of relevance but don't hurt living beings.

And Jains are one of the most successful groups of people in the entire world.But yeah not relevent enough since their places of worship dont get blown up by their own people every other weekend.
 
Problem with some of the people here is that they cant digest the success of one community , a community which they have been taught to hate since childhood through brainwashing by those in power and therefore even years of education in good universities havent been able to erase that resulting in their small minds concocting and coming out with BS such as this to justify their own ineptness.
So called liberals.

Let them say whatever they want. The truth is there for everyone to see.:)
 
The Tata family are actually of the Parsi Zoroastrian faith and are not Hindu as many people think.
The caller bragging on LBC needs to be reminded that Hindus aren't shown much love in Australia.
 
The Tata family are actually of the Parsi Zoroastrian faith and are not Hindu as many people think.
The caller bragging on LBC needs to be reminded that Hindus aren't shown much love in Australia.

Who the hell thinks Tatas are Hindus?The Parsi businesses in India from Godrej to Tatas always had a different identity.

The government of India recognises their capability.
 
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In case you missed it the topic is regarding Hindu's being loved in the west. The average joe doesn't know the name of most if any of the wealthy Hindus. Arts, Politicians and Sports professionals are more well known.

Why they didn't expand isnt important here, the fact Hindu's are mainly located in one area of the world gives them less relevance globally, this should be obvious to anyone. Therefore many people in the west have little opinions or views of Hindus unless they have an interest in the religion.

Its your opinion that average Joe doesnt know them,but knows some Pakistani sportsman.

Again the numbers is of little importance.Jews are fewer in number but have more relevance than Muslims.So being restricted to a certain geography doesnt matter when you can migrate.

So what is the view of people in the west about Muslims?Did they have a view before 9/11 or ISIS or Al Qaida?
 
Problem with some of the people here is that they cant digest the success of one community , a community which they have been taught to hate since childhood through brainwashing by those in power and therefore even years of education in good universities havent been able to erase that resulting in their small minds concocting and coming out with BS such as this to justify their own ineptness.
So called liberals.

Not so much that, just Hindus aren't really seen as being successful in the west, certainly not in Britain anyway. Most of them are just lumped together with Bangladeshis and Pakistanis as a group, very few Brits would make the distinction. They are virtually invisible on the big or small screen unless it is as news anchor or as some academic commentator. I think the fact that India itself is still seen as a third world country contributes also.
 
Not so much that, just Hindus aren't really seen as being successful in the west, certainly not in Britain anyway. Most of them are just lumped together with Bangladeshis and Pakistanis as a group, very few Brits would make the distinction. They are virtually invisible on the big or small screen unless it is as news anchor or as some academic commentator. I think the fact that India itself is still seen as a third world country contributes also.

Hindus/Indians are not clubbed with Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.No one talks about Hindus and people from Pakistan and BD in the same breath.

Can you tell me which immigrant community is most successful economically in UK?

What is this big or small screen?Indians are known for academics or their business success.A billionaire businessman has far more influence in real politik than some sportsperson or actor or the likes.You have money you can influence things.Thats the biggest success.
 
Hindus/Indians are not clubbed with Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.No one talks about Hindus and people from Pakistan and BD in the same breath.

Can you tell me which immigrant community is most successful economically in UK?

What is this big or small screen?Indians are known for academics or their business success.A billionaire businessman has far more influence in real politik than some sportsperson or actor or the likes.You have money you can influence things.Thats the biggest success.

Do you live in Britain that you can tell me Hindus are not lumped together with Bangladeshis and Indians? Do you think the average Brit logs onto PP every day to read the threads about successful Indian CEOs of Google or how Hindus are doing better than Muslims, Sikhs or Buddhists in academics and business arenas?

I don't know why you are getting all defensive, it's not your fault. As I said, it may be that because India is still perceived as a third world country, westerners still see Hindus as economic migrants.
 
Do you live in Britain that you can tell me Hindus are not lumped together with Bangladeshis and Indians? Do you think the average Brit logs onto PP every day to read the threads about successful Indian CEOs of Google or how Hindus are doing better than Muslims, Sikhs or Buddhists in academics and business arenas?

I don't know why you are getting all defensive, it's not your fault. As I said, it may be that because India is still perceived as a third world country, westerners still see Hindus as economic migrants.

My cousins live in UK.Infact a large part of my family does.

Who gives a damn about the avg brit?Are they going to decide anything in geo politics?The people who matter know where the finance is who are the people who are running the show at Microsoft or google.

What is the stereotype of a Pakistani in the minds of a avg brit?

Why should i be defensive?


As i have said in the thread when people cannot digest the success of a country/community the defence is to call it fake servile meek irrelevant or deny the success.
 
He isn't wrong tbh.. Average Westerner wouldn't know or care about the distinction between different asian ethnic groups. Like every east asian is "Chinese" to them.
 
A lot of uneducated bitterness itt. Hindus are successful and are well thought of in Britain. Also, temples are often publicly funded. No mosque has ever been publicly funded.
 
The thing is Hinduism has backward culture too (caste system etc.) but they are willing to leave that behind back home. Muslims on the other hand seem to have harder time letting things go. Also, they seem to exhibit more victim mentality than other minorities.

On topic, I don't particularity agree with the original purpose of the thread. There is no particular "love" or "hate" for Hindus here in west.
 
Its your opinion that average Joe doesnt know them,but knows some Pakistani sportsman.

Again the numbers is of little importance.Jews are fewer in number but have more relevance than Muslims.So being restricted to a certain geography doesnt matter when you can migrate.

So what is the view of people in the west about Muslims?Did they have a view before 9/11 or ISIS or Al Qaida?

Jew may be fewer but are seen a lot more in public esp in the media and entertainment business. Jews also live in certain areas, ie part of Machester or Golder Green etc. Hindu's live with other Asians. You should go to Leicster, Hindu's make up a good proportion of the communinyt of this city but live and behave like other Asians. If you think Hindu's are seen as the Jews or better in the UK, then im afraid you have little knowledge of the GB.
 
The thing is Hinduism has backward culture too (caste system etc.) but they are willing to leave that behind back home. Muslims on the other hand seem to have harder time letting things go. Also, they seem to exhibit more victim mentality than other minorities.

On topic, I don't particularity agree with the original purpose of the thread. There is no particular "love" or "hate" for Hindus here in west.

Early this year the UK government proposed new laws to tackle caste based discrinmiation. All the top Hindu groups were against the law.

A 2010 UK government study also showed caste based discrimination is present in the UK.

So im not sure why you think they have left anything behind in India.
 
Early this year the UK government proposed new laws to tackle caste based discrinmiation. All the top Hindu groups were against the law.

A 2010 UK government study also showed caste based discrimination is present in the UK.

So im not sure why you think they have left anything behind in India.

Isolated incidences don't represent the majority. It' like saying every white is a white nationalist in USA based on recent riots.
 
Isolated incidences don't represent the majority. It' like saying every white is a white nationalist in USA based on recent riots.

The UK government wouldnt want to introduce a new law or create a lenghty report if they were isolated.
 
Whole Big Brother UK incidence showed lots of controversy and media/ political coverage and now no one seems to remember it.. Those incidences happen invoking strong political reaction but then people move on.
 
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My cousins live in UK.Infact a large part of my family does.

Who gives a damn about the avg brit?Are they going to decide anything in geo politics?The people who matter know where the finance is who are the people who are running the show at Microsoft or google.

What is the stereotype of a Pakistani in the minds of a avg brit?

Why should i be defensive?


As i have said in the thread when people cannot digest the success of a country/community the defence is to call it fake servile meek irrelevant or deny the success.

That subservient comment really seems to have struck a nerve, you are still bringing it up even though it wasn't mentioned at all in this thread. Anyway, I was referring to the OP, you are deluding yourself if you think that Brits love the Hindus, most of their day to day interraction with them is probably on the end of a tech helpline where quite a few get annoyed at having to deal with foreigners who are paid to take the abuse rather than locals who will deal with them directly.
 
I do not think we can separate politics from the way different communities are perceived. Jews are never portrayed in a negative light by corporate news media, because of the government's pro-Israeli/Zionist stance. Indians and Hindus are rarely portrayed in a negative light by news/entertainment media, because India is still seen as the British 'jewel in the crown'.

Never heard of this one before.

Clutching at straws.
 
interesting thread. Ok heres my two cents:

quick background, ive lived with Hindus for almost 40 years. Many have been friends many have been close family confidantes, others just aquaintances. Now I can only speak for Hindus I have met and the general trend I have noticed here in the uk. The majority of Hindus I have come across are secular, third or second generation african Indians who's grandads migrated or whos fathers migrated to africa. They then migrated again to the UK once idi ameen forced them out of his country. Many who came here were already well educated, smart, business people, who understood how to "integrate" to their benefit. They had and have a hard working ethos, and by and large have transferred that to their children and childrens children.

When compared to the "majority" of "pakistanis" who came to Britain well, the pakistanis who came over were poor, from dirt poor villages of parts of kashmir. They worked in the mills up north and factories down south. They were uneducated and heavily influenced by their culture. This has brought many problems. Their children have to cross more barriers than other asian people especially now with anti Muslim discrimination ever growing. For example a Muslim who has the same qualifications is less likely to recieve a job offer than either a white person or a hindu in the uk. Therefore many either lose heart, leave the uk or start their own businesses. Some even resort to driving taxis and becoming aprt of the "night" economy out of desperation.

Although Pakistani university applications will soon exceed those of Hindu Indians and idigenous whites, they are less likely to be employed due to discrimination. Hence why David Cameron was keen to enact an anonymised university application system and employment application system.

In comparison to the US where Pakistanis are one of the most successful communities due to the high levels of education and mobility. That may now change with a change of attitude in the west.

Contrary to popular belief by the children on this forum, Hindus do not face religious discrimination but racial discrimination based on culture and race. Muslims face religious, cultural, socio-economic and racial discrimination. Considering the barrier put up, the fact the community is on an up word curve in education is a positive although employment remains a problem.

as for grooming, well this is a by product of the lack of employment opps out there. Things inmho are moving forward however. For the first time we are seeing Muslim women's education results improving to national or beyond national averages. White male students are doing worse than pakistanis and bangladeshis in many areas for the first time. There are still barriers but things are improving despite the barriers.

Finally I found my hindu friends to be good people. But none of them were very religious and those that were, were good at hiding their real feelings.
 
interesting thread. Ok heres my two cents:

quick background, ive lived with Hindus for almost 40 years. Many have been friends many have been close family confidantes, others just aquaintances. Now I can only speak for Hindus I have met and the general trend I have noticed here in the uk. The majority of Hindus I have come across are secular, third or second generation african Indians who's grandads migrated or whos fathers migrated to africa. They then migrated again to the UK once idi ameen forced them out of his country. Many who came here were already well educated, smart, business people, who understood how to "integrate" to their benefit. They had and have a hard working ethos, and by and large have transferred that to their children and childrens children.

When compared to the "majority" of "pakistanis" who came to Britain well, the pakistanis who came over were poor, from dirt poor villages of parts of kashmir. They worked in the mills up north and factories down south. They were uneducated and heavily influenced by their culture. This has brought many problems. Their children have to cross more barriers than other asian people especially now with anti Muslim discrimination ever growing. For example a Muslim who has the same qualifications is less likely to recieve a job offer than either a white person or a hindu in the uk. Therefore many either lose heart, leave the uk or start their own businesses. Some even resort to driving taxis and becoming aprt of the "night" economy out of desperation.

Although Pakistani university applications will soon exceed those of Hindu Indians and idigenous whites, they are less likely to be employed due to discrimination. Hence why David Cameron was keen to enact an anonymised university application system and employment application system.

In comparison to the US where Pakistanis are one of the most successful communities due to the high levels of education and mobility. That may now change with a change of attitude in the west.

Contrary to popular belief by the children on this forum, Hindus do not face religious discrimination but racial discrimination based on culture and race. Muslims face religious, cultural, socio-economic and racial discrimination. Considering the barrier put up, the fact the community is on an up word curve in education is a positive although employment remains a problem.

as for grooming, well this is a by product of the lack of employment opps out there. Things inmho are moving forward however. For the first time we are seeing Muslim women's education results improving to national or beyond national averages. White male students are doing worse than pakistanis and bangladeshis in many areas for the first time. There are still barriers but things are improving despite the barriers.

Finally I found my hindu friends to be good people. But none of them were very religious and those that were, were good at hiding their real feelings.

Best post thus far.
 
can't comment on UK.

But on US, I find Pakistanis to be more integrated than Indians. Obviously, there are more visible successful Indians as far CEOs are concerned. But beside that, I find Indians trying very hard to "integrate" but sometimes it comes across as fake and cringeworthy.

I don't think muslim/hindu and past empires or the lack of it has any relevance. Neither religion promotes violence or disrespect to other faiths.
 
One of the reasons that Hindus integrate better may well be that Hinduism itself seems to be very loosely defined. Everything seems to be okay basically so why would there be any clash with any other belief abroad? The only thing which puzzles me is why there is so much religious violence in India itself when they are in the majority? The Hindu hardliner groups there seem to have no problem burning whole neighbourhoods and and carving up men, women and children when emotions run high.
 
Muslims are much more relevant in Canada than Hindus, most of whom lose all ties to their religion within a generation and the ones that come here aren't all that practicing in the first place.

I suspect the same is the case in other Western countries. Indians themselves, whether Muslim or Hindu or Sikh have done quite well for themselves but Hinduism has never been relevant to the West and never will.

Of course, that does a positive in that you won't be seeing any anti-Hindu hate groups in the West anytime soon.
 
One of the reasons that Hindus integrate better may well be that Hinduism itself seems to be very loosely defined. Everything seems to be okay basically so why would there be any clash with any other belief abroad? The only thing which puzzles me is why there is so much religious violence in India itself when they are in the majority? The Hindu hardliner groups there seem to have no problem burning whole neighbourhoods and and carving up men, women and children when emotions run high.

It's not really the religion but the people. Villagers seem to be crazy everywhere.
 
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Muslims are much more relevant in Canada than Hindus, most of whom lose all ties to their religion within a generation and the ones that come here aren't all that practicing in the first place.

I suspect the same is the case in other Western countries. Indians themselves, whether Muslim or Hindu or Sikh have done quite well for themselves but Hinduism has never been relevant to the West and never will.

Of course, that does a positive in that you won't be seeing any anti-Hindu hate groups in the West anytime soon.

What do you know about hinduism that you are saying they are practising or not?

I am yet to get a set of rules from anywhere that lays down the requirements for practising or non practising hindu.Even hindus dont call anyone practising or not practising and here we have a non hindu deciding whether a hindu is a hindu or not.This is the problem people like you think you can pass a judgement on other religions culture whether someone is practising not practising etc etc.

Better stick to your own religion than telling hindus if they are practising or not.

Sadly for you,you are not the one to decide the relevance of hindus.
 
What do you know about hinduism that you are saying they are practising or not?

I am yet to get a set of rules from anywhere that lays down the requirements for practising or non practising hindu.Even hindus dont call anyone practising or not practising and here we have a non hindu deciding whether a hindu is a hindu or not.This is the problem people like you think you can pass a judgement on other religions culture whether someone is practising not practising etc etc.

Better stick to your own religion than telling hindus if they are practising or not.

Sadly for you,you are not the one to decide the relevance of hindus.

So it seems that everything goes in Hinduism, practising or not, which is absolutely fine. But if there's one thing which seems to cause massive offence is if a non-Hindu passes comment on what may define a Hindu. If there's no set of rules defining a Hindu then what does it matter what someone else says?
 
So it seems that everything goes in Hinduism, practising or not, which is absolutely fine. But if there's one thing which seems to cause massive offence is if a non-Hindu passes comment on what may define a Hindu. If there's no set of rules defining a Hindu then what does it matter what someone else says?

There are no X set of activities to define a Hindu.Dont have to go X number of times to a temple.Dont have to pray Y number of times and so on.

So i want to know what [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] meant by non practising Hindu?

Offence?People have been trying to commit a lot of offences againist Hinduism, Hinduism is still here for 4000 years.
 
There are no X set of activities to define a Hindu.Dont have to go X number of times to a temple.Dont have to pray Y number of times and so on.

So i want to know what [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] meant by non practising Hindu?

Offence?People have been trying to commit a lot of offences againist Hinduism, Hinduism is still here for 4000 years.

I still don't get it. If there's no set rules to define how a Hindu is practising or not, then what difference does it make if someone says they are non-practising? What is there to get upset about? I would guess what he might have meant is that there are Hindus who reject their religion and don't consider themselves Hindus any more. I'm sure there are plenty of those who have moved abroad and identify themselves this way.
 
I still don't get it. If there's no set rules to define how a Hindu is practising or not, then what difference does it make if someone says they are non-practising? What is there to get upset about? I would guess what he might have meant is that there are Hindus who reject their religion and don't consider themselves Hindus any more. I'm sure there are plenty of those who have moved abroad and identify themselves this way.

Heh, it's nothing like that. There's nothing to 'Accept' or 'Reject'. Just live your life.
 
Reading some of the above posts, lets not paint hinduism as some serious religion of peace. When faced with a serious threat Hindus would pick up weapon without second hesitation. For hindus, there is no one truth. There is no one path to attain that truth. You create your own path based on the frameworks, maps and guidelines used by the people before you. Theres obvious flaws as well like the cow worshipping, sati and caste system which somehow doesn't take precedence once the folks are outside of India.

Lets say for even the hindu men or the woman, religion doesn't define their clothes or what they wear. While for muslims you can see them a mile away. Long beards, woman are completely covered up which for whatever reason either alienates the westerners and prevents them from making conversations and sometimes also vice versa. Sometimes i feel the muslims themselves just don't want to go out of their way to go out and socialize.

But that being said i have met muslims in school and at work and outside who are super nice and friendly. But they do have strick codes and stringent beliefs where they just won't cross a line.

Having moved across colleges in the US. I can tell you that when hindus celebrate something from their religion they naturaly bring outsiders and others to particpate whether its diwali or holi. Ive see numerous westerners that have a great kick when they start throwing colors and they start calling it a color war or paint wars without really understanding what the religion is about..

Working in a US company, every year the the consultant Indian techies who are mostly based out of Kerala celebrate onam with the whole company where they even sponsor food for 500+ people and get everyone to wear Indian outfits. Its a little odd but seeing all the westerners wear indian outfits and eating indian food gives them great joy..
 
In my case, as an example, when at company conferences and events, after dinner everyone decides to troop off to the bar or club (at companies expense) and go socialising/drinking until the early hours of the morning, I usually decline to spend the rest of the evening doing the same, and either hang around with others who are not into the drinking/clubbing culture, or go to my room and watch a film before going to bed early.

That then means that after a few such events/conferences, they don't usually ask me to join them knowing that I will refuse. In contrast, the two or three Indians jump at the chance to join in the drinking/clubbing culture.
Result? I am not 'integrating' to the same extent as the Indians.

Why can't you go to these events and drink something else? It's not like you have to consume alcohol. A virgin mogito will be just fine.

Over time, you can graduate to a beer and see what happens from there. But certainly staying cooped up at home under the covers is detrimental to you in ways more than one.
 
Reading some of the above posts, lets not paint hinduism as some serious religion of peace. When faced with a serious threat Hindus would pick up weapon without second hesitation. For hindus, there is no one truth. There is no one path to attain that truth. You create your own path based on the frameworks, maps and guidelines used by the people before you. Theres obvious flaws as well like the cow worshipping, sati and caste system which somehow doesn't take precedence once the folks are outside of India.

Lets say for even the hindu men or the woman, religion doesn't define their clothes or what they wear. While for muslims you can see them a mile away. Long beards, woman are completely covered up which for whatever reason either alienates the westerners and prevents them from making conversations and sometimes also vice versa. Sometimes i feel the muslims themselves just don't want to go out of their way to go out and socialize.

But that being said i have met muslims in school and at work and outside who are super nice and friendly. But they do have strick codes and stringent beliefs where they just won't cross a line.

Having moved across colleges in the US. I can tell you that when hindus celebrate something from their religion they naturaly bring outsiders and others to particpate whether its diwali or holi. Ive see numerous westerners that have a great kick when they start throwing colors and they start calling it a color war or paint wars without really understanding what the religion is about..

Working in a US company, every year the the consultant Indian techies who are mostly based out of Kerala celebrate onam with the whole company where they even sponsor food for 500+ people and get everyone to wear Indian outfits. Its a little odd but seeing all the westerners wear indian outfits and eating indian food gives them great joy..

Sati existed at that time for a reason. it doesnt exist at all in 125 crore population now. Caste system exists but it only comes when you marry someone.
Cow worshipping wud be there in future as well.
 
Yes exactly I agree to the above comment. If you think less from a cultural or religious aspect and rather think from a career strategic move you want to be showing you're peers or you're boss and network with work folks about you're new ideas on how things can be better or about a new process. Sometimes these things are best discussed after hours whether that's a bar or restaurant and it is not necessary that everyone is doing it just to get drunk. You can order a non alcoholic beverage. What's key is while you're friends are making these strategic moves to get to a better position within the corporate ladder you're sitting at home watching a movie. This is the whole point. It's not just about drinking and partying. It's networking..
 
Why can't you go to these events and drink something else? It's not like you have to consume alcohol. A virgin mogito will be just fine.

Over time, you can graduate to a beer and see what happens from there. But certainly staying cooped up at home under the covers is detrimental to you in ways more than one.
To a non-drinker spending an evening in a bar or nightclub where the rest of your group is gulping it down by the bucketload as its on companies expense, is the equivalent of a vegetarian (say a Hindu) spending the evening in an abatoir eating barbecued cow beef steaks. Would you then be saying "just have a veggie burger and then over time graduate to a juicy quarter pounder"?
 
Heh, it's nothing like that. There's nothing to 'Accept' or 'Reject'. Just live your life.

Then why even answer the post? There's nothing to answer. Same goes for the Hindu who is calling LBC to claim they are better at pleasing westerners than Muslims. Why bother? Just live your life and let others live theirs.
 
Then why even answer the post? There's nothing to answer. Same goes for the Hindu who is calling LBC to claim they are better at pleasing westerners than Muslims. Why bother? Just live your life and let others live theirs.

Which seems to be the problems. Some Mud, to cover their own deficiency, deem it appropriate to affront others with the religion. That is the crux here.
 
Yes exactly I agree to the above comment. If you think less from a cultural or religious aspect and rather think from a career strategic move you want to be showing you're peers or you're boss and network with work folks about you're new ideas on how things can be better or about a new process. Sometimes these things are best discussed after hours whether that's a bar or restaurant and it is not necessary that everyone is doing it just to get drunk. You can order a non alcoholic beverage. What's key is while you're friends are making these strategic moves to get to a better position within the corporate ladder you're sitting at home watching a movie. This is the whole point. It's not just about drinking and partying. It's networking..

Pretty much, it's a means to an end.
 
Then why even answer the post? There's nothing to answer. Same goes for the Hindu who is calling LBC to claim they are better at pleasing westerners than Muslims. Why bother? Just live your life and let others live theirs.

What do you mean by better at pleasing westerners?Cant stomach the success of hindus.Can you?You can try to put down hindus as much as you want on a pakistani forum,it wont change their success in the real world.

The LBC caller talked about hindus and not muslims.
 
I still don't get it. If there's no set rules to define how a Hindu is practising or not, then what difference does it make if someone says they are non-practising? What is there to get upset about? I would guess what he might have meant is that there are Hindus who reject their religion and don't consider themselves Hindus any more. I'm sure there are plenty of those who have moved abroad and identify themselves this way.

Did they come and tell him that they dont consider themselves hindus anymore?

Because there are no x set of rigid rules that you have to follow to be a hindu.Hinduism is based on belief and faith.As long as u believe you are a hindu and have faith in any of the different ways to god in hinduism you are a hindu.Mind you that in hinduism no one can decide whether the other guy is hindu or not..That is upto the almighty.
 
What do you mean by better at pleasing westerners?Cant stomach the success of hindus.Can you?You can try to put down hindus as much as you want on a pakistani forum,it wont change their success in the real world.

The LBC caller talked about hindus and not muslims.

The call was an attempt to portray Hindus in a favourable light as compared to Muslims in the context of integrating abroad. If that's not pleasing westerners what else would you call it? I don't know why you take that as some sort of insult, what is wrong with it?
 
The call was an attempt to portray Hindus in a favourable light as compared to Muslims in the context of integrating abroad. If that's not pleasing westerners what else would you call it? I don't know why you take that as some sort of insult, what is wrong with it?

Did the caller mention muslims or Hindus being better than XYZ?I dont see it in the OP. Why would you need to please anyone?Integration doesnt mean pleasing.Its just adjusting to your new realities.

People like you believe that if someone is able to adjust,he is being meek.He is not. As i said in one of my posts here.

Coming to the topic,the reason is that majority of these hindus will be of Indian origin.Now in India growing up you will mix with muslims sikhs christians everyone.You get a sense of adjustment with people who are not if the same belief.So when they are in the west the assimilate easily as its ingrained in them from childhood.

Majority of muslims will come from islamic countries where there will be very little diversity in beliefs so the need to adjust isnt there.When they move to the west,they find it difficult to assimilate as thats not how they are brought up.
 
Did the caller mention muslims or Hindus being better than XYZ?I dont see it in the OP. Why would you need to please anyone?Integration doesnt mean pleasing.Its just adjusting to your new realities.

People like you believe that if someone is able to adjust,he is being meek.He is not. As i said in one of my posts here.

I think you are just dancing with semantics here, not to mention making wrongful accusations based on nothing. Where did I say anything about Hindus ability to adjust being a sign of meekness? Please provide any quote of mine in this thread if that's the case.

I did say that the person calling up LBC did so in order to please westerners, and it's true I am assuming he did so because the discussion was about integration in western society which the OP used to compare Hindus to Muslims. Usually shows about integration these days are fuelled by the terrorism and influx of refugees. If you have the transcript of the show or the OP can clarify that this program was not in any way related to these subjects, and the Hindu caller WASN'T in fact calling up to compare Hindus favourably, then please do so and I will issue a clarification.

If that wasn't the case then like I said, what was his purpose to call the show in the first place? If you look back at my comment I said it in response to an Indian poster who said that there was no concept of accept or reject in Hinduism, just live your life. Well precisely. Why call up LBC then?
 
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