Hindu group forces Zomato delivery agent to remove Santa Claus costume in Indore

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

"Do You Dress As Lord Ram On Diwali?": Delivery Man Made To Remove Santa Outfit​

A food delivery agent in Indore was stopped by a Hindu group and forced to remove his Santa Claus costume while he was out to deliver an order on Christmas.

A video of the incident, which has gone viral on social media, shows a Zomato delivery agent being interrogated by members of the 'Hindu Jagran Manch'

"Are you delivering an order dressed up as Santa Claus?", the group asked the agent, to which he replied in the affirmative. "Do you ever go to people's homes dressed as Lord Ram on Diwali"? To this, the delivery agent replied, "No, but now the company has asked me to wear this costume".

The agent, Arjun, said Zomato had mandated the festive dress code, requiring delivery personnel to send selfies as proof of compliance. Non-compliance, he said, could lead to salary deductions or even the blocking of IDs. The group told him to stick to his Zomato uniform and wear the costume only for the selfies.

The delivery agent was then made to remove the costume.

The group kept the outfit and let him go after chanting "Jai Shri Ram."

Sumit Hardia, a member of the Hindu Jagran Manch, justified the act, stating, "What is the need to impose such a dress code on delivery boys? We do not agree with this practice and will continue to oppose it."

"Do You Dress As Lord Ram On Diwali?": Delivery Man Made To Remove Santa Outfit

A food delivery agent in Indore was stopped by a Hindu group and forced to remove his Santa Claus costume while he was out to deliver an order on Christmas.

www.ndtv.com

 

[RexRex]

^ Hindutva strikes again.

 

[Varun]

BIMARU gonna BIMARU

 

[DeadlyVenom]

"Are you delivering an order dressed up as Santa Claus?", the group asked the agent, to which he replied in the affirmative. "Do you ever go to people's homes dressed as Lord Ram on Diwali"? To this, the delivery agent replied, "No, but now the company has asked me to wear this costume".

Is Lord Ram similar to Santa Clause figure for Hindus?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Abrahamic religions are a threat to Bharat’s Sanatani sovereignty. They have betrayed and backstabbed us in the past. It’s their fault that we’re a little bit paranoid about them.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Hindutva tide ruining even the remaining semblance of secularism from India.....
Abhorrent but new normal in India now

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is Lord Ram similar to Santa Clause figure for Hindus?

Nope.

 

[JaDed]

Is Lord Ram similar to Santa Clause figure for Hindus?

Made me chuckle as well, when IQ is as low as that these things happen.

I would open a case against them just for that.

 

[HalBass9]

Abrahamic religions are a threat to Bharat’s Sanatani sovereignty. They have betrayed and backstabbed us in the past. It’s their fault that we’re a little bit paranoid about them.

Abrahamic religions couldn’t eliminate Hinduism, and until recently, Hinduism was rarely, if ever, associated with bigotry. It is Hindutva that poses a threat to Sanatani Hinduism.

 

[Local.Dada]

Abrahamic religions couldn’t eliminate Hinduism, and until recently, Hinduism was rarely, if ever, associated with bigotry. It is Hindutva that poses a threat to Sanatani Hinduism.

Not really. The problem with Abrahamic religions are they are missionary in nature.

So they have to demean the local religion and culture to sell their religion. I am not talking about the religion itself but such peddlers or salesman.

So for many years missionaries of these religions have created a lot of mischief which is what led to the rise of Hindutva.

For someone who sees logic and rationality in Isis, Taliban type terror organizations can also use the brain to figure this out.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Not really. The problem with Abrahamic religions are they are missionary in nature.

So they have to demean the local religion and culture to sell their religion. I am not talking about the religion itself but such peddlers or salesman.

So for many years missionaries of these religions have created a lot of mischief which is what led to the rise of Hindutva.

For someone who sees logic and rationality in Isis, Taliban type terror organizations can also use the brain to figure this out.

so do you think that hinduism hasnt coverted anyone since 7000yrs, or have you mis read things again considering hinduism is just stolen from east africa

 

[uppercut]

so do you think that hinduism hasnt coverted anyone since 7000yrs, or have you mis read things again considering hinduism is just stolen from east africa

There is no such thing as an official conversion process in Hinduism.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The right wing Hindu groups are everywhere. Too many to count. The ones who stopped the delivery driver must be fined for stopping the job of Zomato guy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

so do you think that hinduism hasnt coverted anyone since 7000yrs, or have you mis read things again considering hinduism is just stolen from east africa

Hinduism is plural. It is a front face of various local Indian cults. This is why the culture and the gods/goddesses can be alien for someone living in bengal to the culture of someone living in tamilnadu or Gujrat or Punjab.

No one was converted in India. Everyone still follows his own kuladevata or village god or profession god. This is something Abrahamic cults cannot fathom.

In the past half a century, Hinduism also adopted concepts from Abrahamic faiths. Even proselytizing has become part of Hinduism though not to the extent of Christianity or Islam.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Abrahamic religions couldn’t eliminate Hinduism, and until recently, Hinduism was rarely, if ever, associated with bigotry. It is Hindutva that poses a threat to Sanatani Hinduism.

Hindutva is not the reason. It’s the copying of Abrahamic concepts that has made Hinduism muscular much like Islam or Christianity. Showing street strength and throwing their weight to get their job done is also part of it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We wants Zomato drivers to dress like Lord Ram coz Abrahamic Religions - The arguments on this thread.

 

[uppercut]

Abrahamic religions couldn’t eliminate Hinduism, and until recently, Hinduism was rarely, if ever, associated with bigotry. It is Hindutva that poses a threat to Sanatani Hinduism.

Yes it took a while for Hinduism to realize the problem with their approach when dealing with predatory religions. They thought that since they had great Success in coexisting with Buddhism Sikhism Jainism Zoroastrians Judaism etc that the same would be the case with Islam...

well they tried for a small matter of thousand years and the harsh lesson learnt was that us respecting and welcoming this religion was actually detrimental to our own way of life. Any concessions or tolerance of their religion and its hideously anti-dharmic practices was treated aa sign of weakness and it only attracted more pain! So there thats what is unfortunately happening now.

 

[Murtaza1]

Imagine trying to defend and excuse this behaviour. How sad and small these people and those of their ilk must be.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Imagine trying to defend and excuse this behaviour. How sad and small these people and those of their ilk must be.

I really feel for delivery guys around the world. They are really needy and hard working people and to come across this is really shameful.

 

[HalBass9]

Hindutva is not the reason. It’s the copying of Abrahamic concepts that has made Hinduism muscular much like Islam or Christianity. Showing street strength and throwing their weight to get their job done is also part of it.

Muscular?

Over the years, Muslims and Christian have gone to great length to dissociate themselves with the so called, ‘muscular’ groups.

Hinduism, by its nature, can not be forced on people. Hindutva on the other hand with ‘fear’ can be for the time being.

 

[JaDed]

These guys have been active since 1982, surprised NDTV and ABP posted news on them I associate them to be pro BJP, wonder if times ade changing on media front.


Just saw their instagram page and the dudes are wearing ear rings , I mean lol..

 

[JaDed]

so do you think that hinduism hasnt coverted anyone since 7000yrs, or have you mis read things again considering hinduism is just stolen from east africa

Hinduism is stolen from where? Are you talking about black Panther?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Muscular?

Over the years, Muslims and Christian have gone to great length to dissociate themselves with the so called, ‘muscular’ groups.

Hinduism, by its nature, can not be forced on people. Hindutva on the other hand with ‘fear’ can be for the time being.

Christianity has become a lot docile in the past 300 years. Protestant reformation and later Industrial Revolution seriously weakened the grip of clergy on the society. Modern Christianity is apologetic of its shady past. It is is totally defanged and tamed. Though there are still far right Christian groups, they are not anywhere close to threatening lives. At best, they will throw around their weight and intimidate people on rare occasions.

Islam is completely different. It has not gone through any reformation. Mullahs and religious leaders hold a lot of power and can bring in revolutions and show street strength at will. Just have a look around the world. The entire doctrines of the extremism in Middle East and Europe is based on religious fundamentalism. They don’t just stop at intimidating weaker minorities or majorities. We can see so many attacks in Europe and the thousands that get killed around the world. It’s also Muslims that follow the wrong sect that mostly became the unwitting victims of it.

 

[HalBass9]

Christianity has become a lot docile in the past 300 years. Protestant reformation and later Industrial Revolution seriously weakened the grip of clergy on the society. Modern Christianity is apologetic of its shady past. It is is totally defanged and tamed. Though there are still far right Christian groups, they are not anywhere close to threatening lives. At best, they will throw around their weight and intimidate people on rare occasions.

Islam is completely different. It has not gone through any reformation. Mullahs and religious leaders hold a lot of power and can bring in revolutions and show street strength at will. Just have a look around the world. The entire doctrines of the extremism in Middle East and Europe is based on religious fundamentalism. They don’t just stop at intimidating weaker minorities or majorities. We can see so many attacks in Europe and the thousands that get killed around the world. It’s also Muslims that follow the wrong sect that mostly became the unwitting victims of it.

Nope! The West needs to stop supporting dictators, overthrowing elected governments, and backing extremist groups when it serves their interests. If they do, none of this will happen.

 

[topspin]

The funny thing is these Hindus in western countries go out of their way to celebrate Christmas to fit in with the white folks. Back home, we now know it's a different story altogether.

 

[JaDed]

The funny thing is these Hindus in western countries go out of their way to celebrate Christmas to fit in with the white folks. Back home, we now know it's a different story altogether.

We don't go out of the way to fit in, even in India Hindus don't celebrate it to fit in with anyone, we just like it that’s all.
It’s fun and cozy festival along with really beautiful decorations not to forget the awesome christmas movies from HP to A Christmas story etc etc

 

[guard]

Abrahamic religions are a threat to Bharat’s Sanatani sovereignty. They have betrayed and backstabbed us in the past. It’s their fault that we’re a little bit paranoid about them.

better start by getting rid of the abrahamic cricketers, and work from there...

 

[Champ_Pal]

Nope! The West needs to stop supporting dictators, overthrowing elected governments, and backing extremist groups when it serves their interests. If they do, none of this will happen.

West is only using what is already present there. Militants are a dime in a dozen in Middle East.

US supports and dethrones whoever suits them. But IS cannot do it unless there are existing divisions among Muslims or political leadership and military ready to sell their loyalty.

 

[Bhaijaan]

better start by getting rid of the abrahamic cricketers, and work from there...

Don’t worry about what we’re gonna do. We will cleanse our Rashtra rest assured and foreigners who want to break the Rashtra will continue to face the heat and have a tough time.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Abrahamic religions couldn’t eliminate Hinduism, and until recently, Hinduism was rarely, if ever, associated with bigotry. It is Hindutva that poses a threat to Sanatani Hinduism.

Well they tried.
Just that our belief was much stronger.

After Sanatanis defeated Islam and Christianity back to back it should have been the end of your propaganda but then you all found the secular democracy route convenient to once again unleash the Anti Rashtra agenda in Sanatanis.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Another incident of extreme Hindutva mentality.

 

[The_KING]

Modi’s India strikes again.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am not surprised at all.

These incidents are becoming more and more common in Modi's India.

Disgusting behavior.

 

[HalBass9]

Well they tried.
Just that our belief was much stronger.

After Sanatanis defeated Islam and Christianity back to back it should have been the end of your propaganda but then you all found the secular democracy route convenient to once again unleash the Anti Rashtra agenda in Sanatanis.

I somewhat agree with you. If India weren’t trying to cling to ‘secularism’ to avoid being seen as a theocracy, it could have easily transformed into a full fledged ‘Rashtra’ by now. The effort to hide what they’ve always aspired to be is a genuine struggle.

 

[Local.Dada]

The funny thing is these Hindus in western countries go out of their way to celebrate Christmas to fit in with the white folks. Back home, we now know it's a different story altogether.

Why is that a bad thing? Maybe that is a positive takeaway, try to fit in with locals instead of demanding their own laws and causing all kinds of ruckus. Maybe we have different sensibilities and see things differently. India has 1.4 billion people, for arguments sake let us say even 5% are goons and evil, the volume will be huge and I am sure it is more than 5%, however overall India has always had the reputation of being one of the most tolerant nations. Comprendez?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why is that a bad thing? Maybe that is a positive takeaway, try to fit in with locals instead of demanding their own laws and causing all kinds of ruckus. Maybe we have different sensibilities and see things differently. India has 1.4 billion people, for arguments sake let us say even 5% are goons and evil, the volume will be huge and I am sure it is more than 5%, however overall India has always had the reputation of being one of the most tolerant nations. Comprendez?

I think you missed the point, brother topsin is talking about hypocrisy of some people here.

 

[topspin]

I think you missed the point, brother topsin is talking about hypocrisy of some people here.

Always goes over their head even when I keep it short and sweet.

 

[sweep_shot]

Always goes over their head even when I keep it short and sweet.

I think you missed the point, brother topsin is talking about hypocrisy of some people here.

Some of these Indians always expect others to praise India 24/7.

Very entitled.

 

[Hellion]

Sad times. Hindutva hates the Ummah so much that it's becoming more and more like those braindead zombies and aping what they used to do on a regular basis.

90's India is dead.

 

[uppercut]

Nope! The West needs to stop supporting dictators, overthrowing elected governments, and backing extremist groups when it serves their interests. If they do, none of this will happen.

Congratulations ... looks like you have quickly learnt a important lesson in the quest to upgrade your civilization standards ... i.e. the concept of "cause and effect". That was quick!!

Now the next step is to extend your ground breaking discovery of that concept to muslim extremists in India and you might magically find the solution to cow vigilante violence in India.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Don’t worry about what we’re gonna do. We will cleanse our Rashtra rest assured and foreigners who want to break the Rashtra will continue to face the heat and have a tough time.

I also am hopeful of this. We need to see a resurgent Hindustan with drivers dressed as Lord Ram delivering Aloo burgers on Diwali.

 

[uppercut]

Sad times. Hindutva hates the Ummah so much ...

Yeah I wonder why ... after all such a peaceful Community the Ummah is. I mean just look at their track record. .. they never hurt a fly forget hurting a Cow or people. Never blew a toy truck forget blowing up buildings. Never destroyed temples and in short never did any wrong whatsoever.

therefore it boggles my mind as to why would anyone hate such a lovely peace loving community ( whose mascot is the Snow-White Dove ... how appropriate !!) that should infact be the benchmark for future generations of entire humanity as to how to live. I mean what could possibly be wrong with such a community .. I could never tell. Such a travesty !

90's India is dead.

yeah perhaps because no more genocide and ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits is possible ... right ?

 

[HalBass9]

Congratulations ... looks like you have quickly learnt a important lesson in the quest to upgrade your civilization standards ... i.e. the concept of "cause and effect". That was quick!!

Now the next step is to extend your ground breaking discovery of that concept to muslim extremists in India and you might magically find the solution to cow vigilante violence in India.

Stop seeking my endorsement for your bigotry, I’m not handing out participation trophies.

Get a hobby, knitting intolerance doesn’t count.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Please refrain from any off topic discussion...for anti Islam comments bump relevant threads.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hindutva tide ruining even the remaining semblance of secularism from India.....
Abhorrent but new normal in India now

India is going down the drain. Agreed.

How is Pak doing? Any words for your beloved nation?

 

[The_KING]

Even Christians aren’t safe in Modi’s India.

 

[The_KING]

India is going down the drain. Agreed.

How is Pak doing? Any words for your beloved nation?

Standard tactic of the sensitive Indians. India is criticised and their usual tactic is to bring up Pakistan. So pathetic!

 

[Slim]

"Do You Dress As Lord Ram On Diwali?": Delivery Man Made To Remove Santa Outfit​

A food delivery agent in Indore was stopped by a Hindu group and forced to remove his Santa Claus costume while he was out to deliver an order on Christmas.

A video of the incident, which has gone viral on social media, shows a Zomato delivery agent being interrogated by members of the 'Hindu Jagran Manch'

"Are you delivering an order dressed up as Santa Claus?", the group asked the agent, to which he replied in the affirmative. "Do you ever go to people's homes dressed as Lord Ram on Diwali"? To this, the delivery agent replied, "No, but now the company has asked me to wear this costume".

The agent, Arjun, said Zomato had mandated the festive dress code, requiring delivery personnel to send selfies as proof of compliance. Non-compliance, he said, could lead to salary deductions or even the blocking of IDs. The group told him to stick to his Zomato uniform and wear the costume only for the selfies.

The delivery agent was then made to remove the costume.

The group kept the outfit and let him go after chanting "Jai Shri Ram."

Sumit Hardia, a member of the Hindu Jagran Manch, justified the act, stating, "What is the need to impose such a dress code on delivery boys? We do not agree with this practice and will continue to oppose it."

"Do You Dress As Lord Ram On Diwali?": Delivery Man Made To Remove Santa Outfit

A food delivery agent in Indore was stopped by a Hindu group and forced to remove his Santa Claus costume while he was out to deliver an order on Christmas.

www.ndtv.com

India is a bottomless pit, no wonder every Indian wants to escape India.

Sadly, Pakistan is a hell hole too, but for different reasons - mainly economic. But in India the problems are way too complicated - high youth unemployment, increasing hindu radicalism, scamming, the massive divide between the rich and poor etc

 

[YousafTheBeast]

India is going down the drain. Agreed.

How is Pak doing? Any words for your beloved nation?

Indians stripping Santa Clause, but let’s talk about Pakistan

If it was to happen in Pakistan, would you not be making posts about how Pakistan is unsafe etc?

 

[Slim]

Well they tried.
Just that our belief was much stronger.

After Sanatanis defeated Islam and Christianity back to back it should have been the end of your propaganda but then you all found the secular democracy route convenient to once again unleash the Anti Rashtra agenda in Sanatanis.

You didnt defeat anyone. Muslims defeated Hindus and conquered South Asia. British defeated Muslims and conquered South Asia. Then after world war 2, they ran between tails in their legs because their empire became too big to manage and Hindus took the spoils and even then Muslims managed to get their own country and THANKGOD for that!

 

[Champ_Pal]

Here is where Christophobia stems from in India.

India had Christianity for 2000 years. The early converts kept their religion for themselves with very little outside conversion. The conversion started to accelerate under British. The Church of England and many missionaries from Germany and Dutch have converted thousands during British Raj. After independence, the Congress party gave free hand to Missionaries to convert many more millions. Their main targets were Dalits and Tribals. Caste system was used as a weapon against Hinduism to convert the masses. Many upper Caste also converted in the last 50 years. Some are reverting now.

In the Southern state of Tamilnadu along the coast of Bay of Bengal, almost everyone is a Christian. I for one do not believe that there are only 30 million Christians in India. In Andhra Pradesh and Telengana also, the conversions have accelerated under the Christian Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Mr. YS Raja Sekhar Reddy and later his Son Jagan Mohan Reddy.

In Punjab, Sikhism is in danger of losing their majority status. Most Ravidasia/Ramdasia Sikhs are embracing Christianity. There are tons of videos on Youtube where you can see Sikhs embracing Christianity.

In the North East at the beginning of 19th century, there was no Christianity at all. Modern States of Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland all had their own trial religions. Now they are all almost 100% Christian. In a century, the entire demographics have changed. It cannot happen unless a massive effort and funding from US and Europe Churches have not undertaken.

The reality of how many Christians are there in your area will be apparent during Christmas. A ton of houses have Stars and decorations on their shanty houses and huts. Growing up in my area, there were no Christians when I was young. By the time I was about to leave India for higher education, I realized that there are so many Christians in my locality. The demographic change is quite apparent. Some have become 100% Christians while others are in transition. They were Bindi on their head and wear Manga Sutra like Hindus. They are neither Hindus nor Christians. But they are on their journey to embrace Christianity completely. Their next generation will not be like their parents. They will be full Christians.

On paper and as per Government, most of these Christians are still Hindus. But reality is something else. Hindus have become super sensitive and defensive over this. They do not want to lose the status of majority in their own country. Its a sad situation. Clashes will be inevitable. One has to see how many people attend the conversion camps run by pastors funded by churches which in turn are run by Western nations. Christianity is dying fast in West. But it found a fertile ground in India.

I personally do not care what anyone follows or believes in. If they ask me, I will definitely tell them that all these faiths are fairy tales. But I can see the rumblings in Hindu community about this. Not good for the unity of India.

 

[Slim]

Here is where Christophobia stems from in India.

India had Christianity for 2000 years. The early converts kept their religion for themselves with very little outside conversion. The conversion started to accelerate under British. The Church of England and many missionaries from Germany and Dutch have converted thousands during British Raj. After independence, the Congress party gave free hand to Missionaries to convert many more millions. Their main targets were Dalits and Tribals. Caste system was used as a weapon against Hinduism to convert the masses. Many upper Caste also converted in the last 50 years. Some are reverting now.

In the Southern state of Tamilnadu along the coast of Bay of Bengal, almost everyone is a Christian. I for one do not believe that there are only 30 million Christians in India. In Andhra Pradesh and Telengana also, the conversions have accelerated under the Christian Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Mr. YS Raja Sekhar Reddy and later his Son Jagan Mohan Reddy.

In Punjab, Sikhism is in danger of losing their majority status. Most Ravidasia/Ramdasia Sikhs are embracing Christianity. There are tons of videos on Youtube where you can see Sikhs embracing Christianity.

In the North East at the beginning of 19th century, there was no Christianity at all. Modern States of Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland all had their own trial religions. Now they are all almost 100% Christian. In a century, the entire demographics have changed. It cannot happen unless a massive effort and funding from US and Europe Churches have not undertaken.

The reality of how many Christians are there in your area will be apparent during Christmas. A ton of houses have Stars and decorations on their shanty houses and huts. Growing up in my area, there were no Christians when I was young. By the time I was about to leave India for higher education, I realized that there are so many Christians in my locality. The demographic change is quite apparent. Some have become 100% Christians while others are in transition. They were Bindi on their head and wear Manga Sutra like Hindus. They are neither Hindus nor Christians. But they are on their journey to embrace Christianity completely. Their next generation will not be like their parents. They will be full Christians.

On paper and as per Government, most of these Christians are still Hindus. But reality is something else. Hindus have become super sensitive and defensive over this. They do not want to lose the status of majority in their own country. Its a sad situation. Clashes will be inevitable. One has to see how many people attend the conversion camps run by pastors funded by churches which in turn are run by Western nations. Christianity is dying fast in West. But it found a fertile ground in India.

I personally do not care what anyone follows or believes in. If they ask me, I will definitely tell them that all these faiths are fairy tales. But I can see the rumblings in Hindu community about this. Not good for the unity of India.

From reading your post, it tells me that Hindus are extremely insecure about their religion.

Now where does it stems from?

I have tried talking to a few hindus here, none of them were able to explain their religion to me.

Does the insecurity stems from:

i) Lack of inner conviction on their own religion?


ii) Hinduism is primarily not a multi ethnic religion, does it makes Hindus question their religion? How can it be word of god when it is followed mainly be a single group of humans?

Or what else?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Indians stripping Santa Clause, but let’s talk about Pakistan

If it was to happen in Pakistan, would you not be making posts about how Pakistan is unsafe etc?

I already established that India is going down the drain.

So I asked how is your nation doing when it comes to Christianity? Does Pakistan let Muslims there convert to Christianity at will? Does it allow Christians publicly display their religion on their houses? Does it allow foreign funded Pastors host conversion meetings in public?

 

[Slim]

I already established that India is going down the drain.

So I asked how is your nation doing when it comes to Christianity? Does Pakistan let Muslims there convert to Christianity at will? Does it allow Christians publicly display their religion on their houses? Does it allow foreign funded Pastors host conversion meetings in public?

Freedom of religion is enshrined in the Holy Quran itself. “Let there be no compulsion in religion”


With regards to Pakistanis treatment of minorities - its horrible at times and its rooted in false accusations of blasphemy. This is the root cause of all issues. You can compare it to the mob lynchings in India based on cow meat.

No one however would strip someone naked for wearing a santa claus costume. Because all saints of Christanity are our saints. Christmas if seen with the angle of celebration of Christ birth is our celebration as well.


Christians however are free to practise their religion. You probably are not aware but Muslims can even pray in a church. There are a lot of catholic schools. I myself was in a catholic school till 6th grade.

The problems with India and Pakistan are not the same thats why Indians need to stop equating with Pakistan in everything.

 

[Champ_Pal]

From reading your post, it tells me that Hindus are extremely insecure about their religion.

Now where does it stems from?

I have tried talking to a few hindus here, none of them were able to explain their religion to me.

Does the insecurity stems from:

i) Lack of inner conviction on their own religion?


ii) Hinduism is primarily not a multi ethnic religion, does it makes Hindus question their religion? How can it be word of god when it is followed mainly be a single group of humans?

Or what else?

The insecurity stems from losing numbers and becoming a minority in their district or village or local area. Not because Christianity is some kind of miracle religion. Millions of Hindus and Christians from India work in rich Gulf nations for decades. Yet they are not given citizenship there and they cannot convert local Arabs to Hinduism and Christianity.
In countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc, it is illegal to even bring Bible and Christian literature to their lands as they do not want to lose their population to foreign religions. Does it make Islam insecure?

Hindus were never too interested in their own religion. Most are name sake Hindus and borderline atheists and do not follow the religion as it should be. This is the case in my friends circle and many among my family members. No one takes religion seriously even though groups like RSS, HSS and VHP try to teach Hindu kids to wear a Tilak on their forehead and read Geeta.

Hinduism is not a religion. This is just a name given by Foreigners to club a plethora of cults and beliefs that Indians followed. These cults had similarities with common themes and stories. The stories passed down orally for generations were penned down by Brahmins in the last thousand years to give the entire thing an identity. They had to do that to repel the constant onslaught of Abrahamic faiths that are extremely organized with proselytization as their main agenda. Its adapt or Perish.

 

[uppercut]

From reading your post, it tells me that Hindus are extremely insecure about their religion.

according to you what is the single biggest event or two in India that confirms this religious insecurity regardless of the cause for the insecurity ? If you pinpoint such events then I could give you a response in that context.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I already established that India is going down the drain.

So I asked how is your nation doing when it comes to Christianity? Does Pakistan let Muslims there convert to Christianity at will? Does it allow Christians publicly display their religion on their houses? Does it allow foreign funded Pastors host conversion meetings in public?

Have you seen me praising Pakistan for its treatment of minorities?

Santa was delivering food in India and he was attacked. Are you saying I can’t make a comment on that because Pakistan is no better? If so, then I better not see you on threads relating to attacks on minorities in Pakistan

 

[Champ_Pal]

Have you seen me praising Pakistan for its treatment of minorities?

Santa was delivering food in India and he was attacked. Are you saying I can’t make a comment on that because Pakistan is no better? If so, then I better not see you on threads relating to attacks on minorities in Pakistan

These incidents must be condemned. But blaming entire India for isolated incidents is not right.

Everyone should be able to condemn everything. The thugs that asked Santa delivery driver to take off his costume do not represent entire India and there are no laws in the constitution that bars people from where Santa clothes. That is the difference i am pointing out. Blame the incident and the thugs. Not the country.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys this is a thread related to an event in India so please refrain from bringing irrelevant characters or entities in it. Thanks

 

[RexRex]

I personally do not care what anyone follows or believes in. If they ask me, I will definitely tell them that all these faiths are fairy tales. But I can see the rumblings in Hindu community about this. Not good for the unity of India.

It is blatantly obvious that you do care about it deeply, why pretend otherwise ?

 

[Justcrazy]

These incidents must be condemned. But blaming entire India for isolated incidents is not right.

Everyone should be able to condemn everything. The thugs that asked Santa delivery driver to take off his costume do not represent entire India and there are no laws in the constitution that bars people from where Santa clothes. That is the difference i am pointing out. Blame the incident and the thugs. Not the country.

These kind of incidents did not take place before Modi. These are not isolated incidents but a well planned strategy. Its a serious thing , everyone has right to follow own religion. Yes , if you are too much concerned about people converting , you need to know the reasons behind that , and talk to them and show why they should not convert logically with intellect.

When you have nothing to talk about , just shout Jai shree Ram everywhere in response to everything , what impression does that give? If Hinduism not a religion or a religion about with everything is ambiguous , then to what you want people to come back to?

 

[Champ_Pal]

These kind of incidents did not take place before Modi. These are not isolated incidents but a well planned strategy. Its a serious thing , everyone has right to follow own religion. Yes , if you are too much concerned about people converting , you need to know the reasons behind that , and talk to them and show why they should not convert logically with intellect.

When you have nothing to talk about , just shout Jai shree Ram everywhere in response to everything , what impression does that give? If Hinduism not a religion or a religion about with everything is ambiguous , then to what you want people to come back to?

These incidents did happen before Modi too. Even in 90's under Narasimha Rao and later under successive Janata Dal governments also, there was this uneasiness in the society over conversions. Its just that under BJP, these incidents get highlighted and News outlets watch these things like hawks. They do not let anything slip if the issue is concerning minorities especially Muslims.
Every community wants to keep its members and numbers in tact. No one wants to give up its cult members to the rival cult. In a democracy numbers matter.

 

[HalBass9]

These incidents did happen before Modi too. Even in 90's under Narasimha Rao and later under successive Janata Dal governments also, there was this uneasiness in the society over conversions. Its just that under BJP, these incidents get highlighted and News outlets watch these things like hawks. They do not let anything slip if the issue is concerning minorities especially Muslims.
Every community wants to keep its members and numbers in tact. No one wants to give up its cult members to the rival cult. In a democracy numbers matter.

Not at all! These issues come to light because elected politicians openly use language that creates the impression that being bigoted is acceptable in India. For some strange reason, it’s portrayed as if Indians are reclaiming the country from the Mughals and the British.

The previous governments neither engaged in such behavior nor directly or indirectly condoned it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Not at all! These issues come to light because elected politicians openly use language that creates the impression that being bigoted is acceptable in India. For some strange reason, it’s portrayed as if Indians are reclaiming the country from the Mughals and the British.

The previous governments neither engaged in such behavior nor directly or indirectly condoned it.

Previous Congress Governments gave freehand to these conversion scams. They kept mum and looked the other way when it comes to demographic shifts. Sure there are nutjobs in BJP who spew garbage. But to say that everything is fine under Congress is laugh worthy.

 

[HalBass9]

Previous Congress Governments gave freehand to these conversion scams. They kept mum and looked the other way when it comes to demographic shifts. Sure there are nutjobs in BJP who spew garbage. But to say that everything is fine under Congress is laugh worthy.

Conversion scams? That sounds like just another term used to mask bigotry and justify violence against minorities.

Could you provide data on the number of conversions from Hinduism to other religions during the previous government and the number of conversions supposedly prevented under the current government?

Demographic shift? What does that even mean in a country with a population exceeding 1.5 billion, of which fewer than 220 million are Muslims? If that’s not the textbook definition of a ‘boogeyman’ syndrome, then what is?

Also, using terms like ‘conversion scam’ while attempting to critique the BJP undermines any genuine condemnation of their actions.

 

[Justcrazy]

These incidents did happen before Modi too. Even in 90's under Narasimha Rao and later under successive Janata Dal governments also, there was this uneasiness in the society over conversions. Its just that under BJP, these incidents get highlighted and News outlets watch these things like hawks. They do not let anything slip if the issue is concerning minorities especially Muslims.
Every community wants to keep its members and numbers in tact. No one wants to give up its cult members to the rival cult. In a democracy numbers matter.

How many incidents happened pre Modi era and how many post Modi , I am sure it has been on rise.

New Media has been controlled by BJP , so that means the reported incidents are lesser to actual ones.

Members intact to what ? You yourself have said there is nothing called hinduism. Yes numbers matters , but you cannot force someone to remain in a religion with bullying others. As I said apart from shouting jai shree Ram I do not see any rational thing said by them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about ghori missile or agni missile... Can you guys post relevant stuff

 

[finalfantasy7]

Hinduism is stolen from where? Are you talking about black Panther?

are you ok, u think the hindu gods came from india? r u ok, u been trying to read bjp rubbish again

 

[finalfantasy7]

Hinduism is plural. It is a front face of various local Indian cults. This is why the culture and the gods/goddesses can be alien for someone living in bengal to the culture of someone living in tamilnadu or Gujrat or Punjab.

No one was converted in India. Everyone still follows his own kuladevata or village god or profession god. This is something Abrahamic cults cannot fathom.

In the past half a century, Hinduism also adopted concepts from Abrahamic faiths. Even proselytizing has become part of Hinduism though not to the extent of Christianity or Islam.

u mean that the stories dont add up, hence every state tells a different story, which means its fake, plus you didnt mention the fact its stolen from east africa

 

[finalfantasy7]

There is no such thing as an official conversion process in Hinduism.

thr is no hinduism, just stolen stories fro east africa, being told and changed by state by state withing india

 

[uppercut]

thr is no hinduism, just stolen stories fro east africa, being told and changed by state by state withing india

I see ... so any temple ruins in East Africa to prove your theory or maybe we need to just go by your word ?

 

[uppercut]

Not at all! These issues come to light because elected politicians openly use language that creates the impression that being bigoted is acceptable in India. For some strange reason, it’s portrayed as if Indians are reclaiming the country from the Mughals and the British.

The previous governments neither engaged in such behavior nor directly or indirectly condoned it.

Nope .. you are wrong. Being radical and violent is the ONLY Option to survive when dealing with rogue UN-civilized and extremely predatory religions which you are batting for ( no surprises there ).


If you do not agree then feel free to list few prominent disputes involving Islam that were resolved thru civilized means.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nope .. you are wrong. Being radical and violent is the ONLY Option to survive when dealing with rogue UN-civilized and extremely predatory religions which you are batting for ( no surprises there ).


If you do not agree then feel free to list few prominent disputes involving Islam that were resolved thru civilized means.

There is nothing in human history more uncivilized than Hindu caste system and Hindu tax.


Prove me wrong.

 

[guard]

Sad times. Hindutva hates the Ummah so much that it's becoming more and more like those braindead zombies and aping what they used to do on a regular basis.

90's India is dead.

Maybe it was always like this and disguised very well, the veneer is lifting, wealth and power does this..

 

[RexRex]

There is nothing in human history more uncivilized than Hindu caste system and Hindu tax.


Prove me wrong.

Gauntlet thrown down. I would love to see an essay from @uppercut on the evils of caste system, which often flies under the radar when discussing religions

 

[guard]

Nope .. you are wrong. Being radical and violent is the ONLY Option to survive when dealing with rogue UN-civilized and extremely predatory religions which you are batting for ( no surprises there ).


If you do not agree then feel free to list few prominent disputes involving Islam that were resolved thru civilized means.

Is the same radical and violent behaviour carried out in the middle east and elsewhere by those batting for the non muslims, how do they survive and live day to day..

 

[guard]

Is the same radical and violent behaviour carried out in the middle east and elsewhere by those batting for the non muslims, how do they survive and live day to day..

Talk about demented..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There is nothing in human history more uncivilized than Hindu caste system and Hindu tax.


Prove me wrong.

Word got edited.

I meant Hindu Breast Tax.

 

[uppercut]

There is nothing in human history more uncivilized than Hindu caste system and Hindu tax.


Prove me wrong.

sure but please confirm that you will not slip away when you get stuck like the previous episode few weeks ago in a different thread. This is to ensure that there is a meaningful debate with some closure and that I do not waste time.

but if you still like to proceed please clarify the following:

1. What is the name of the redacted tax in your post ?
2. What is YOUR definition of Civilization ? ( My definition would be unconditionally
3. What will you accept as evidence ?

these are not meant to be rhetorical or passive aggressive ... just want to get clarification before I respond.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

sure but please confirm that you will not slip away when you get stuck like the previous episode few weeks ago in a different thread. This is to ensure that there is a meaningful debate with some closure and that I do not waste time.

but if you still like to proceed please clarify the following:

1. What is the name of the redacted tax in your post ?
2. What is YOUR definition of Civilization ? ( My definition would be unconditionally
3. What will you accept as evidence ?

these are not meant to be rhetorical or passive aggressive ... just want to get clarification before I respond.

You can define it anyway you like and present any evidence you chose.