Hindu nationalist-led state changes Muslim name of Indian city

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An Indian city in a state led by a hardline Hindu nationalist preacher accused of instigating violence against Muslims has had its Muslim name changed to one with Hindu associations.

The state cabinet in Uttar Pradesh announced on Tuesday that it had approved the renaming of Allahabad as Prayagraj, which harks back to the city’s ancient appellation, Prayag, before it was changed by Mughal-era rulers in the late 16th century.

Prayag in Sanskrit means place for sacrifice, in reference to the Hindu belief that the creator of the universe, Brahma, made his first offering at the area in the city where the Ganges and Yamuna rivers meet.

The Uttar Pradesh health minister, Siddharth Nath Singh, told local media: “The city used to be known as Prayagraj since the beginning. To those who are opposing the decision, how would you feel if the name your parents gave you was to be changed?”

The city, about 400 miles (650km) south-east of the Indian capital, Delhi, is the ancestral home of the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty, which has produced three Indian prime ministers, including the country’s first, Jawarharlal Nehru.

It is also the site of one of India’s Kumbh melas – mass Hindu pilgrimages that are considered to be among the world’s largest religious festivals. The most recent was held in the city in 2013 and attended by an estimated 100 million worshippers.

Changing Allahabad’s name has been a longstanding demand of Hindu nationalist groups in India which regard the three centuries in which huge areas of the subcontinent were ruled by Mughal dynasties as a period of foreign occupation.

The traditional view of Indian leaders has been that the Mughals integrated with the largely Hindu society around them, forging a unique blended culture over time.

In the decades since independence in 1947, the country has gradually thrown off British imperial-era names such as Bombay (now Mumbai), Pondicherry (now Puducherry) and Madras (now Chennai).

Under Uttar Pradesh’s chief minister, Yogi Adityanath, the state has also started replacing Mughal-era names.

Last year, Mughalsarai Junction railway station in the state was renamed Deen Dayal Upadhyay Junction railway station, after a Hindu nationalist thinker and politician.

The Uttar Pradesh energy minister, Shrikant Sharma, said more names were likely to be changed. “It is the right of the government to rename any city,” he said. “If needed, we will rename more cities and roads. The mistakes done earlier will be rectified.”
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what is the meaning of previous name "Allahabad"?
 
It was Prayag. A holy place of Hindus.

I think Emperor Akbar changed its name to Allahabad.

I know the meaning of Prayag as it is mentioned in the news report as "place for sacrifice". But the news report is not mentioning the meaning of Allahabad.
 
This was inevitable to be honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. Ever since Bombay was changed to Mumbai, and Madras was changed to Chennai and so on, it was only a matter of time before the Mughal era names were changed as well. I don't really have any problem with it, if the majority Hindus can't abide Mughal history, then they are entitled to change it if it eases their souls.

Which other cities are under threat? There is one city called Hyderabad which has a namesake in Pakistan as well. I can imagine that will go. Any others?
 
Used to be so proud that if Pakistan has Islamabad, we have Allahabad. Will always be Allahabad for me.
 
So the Urdu poet Akbar Allahabadi should be rechristened Akbar Prayagraji ? Quite the irony when you know his positive opinion of Hindus, but I guess that's what happens when you're unable to recognize the enemy to the extent of making him a friend.

This was inevitable to be honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. Ever since Bombay was changed to Mumbai, and Madras was changed to Chennai and so on, it was only a matter of time before the Mughal era names were changed as well. I don't really have any problem with it, if the majority Hindus can't abide Mughal history, then they are entitled to change it if it eases their souls.

Which other cities are under threat? There is one city called Hyderabad which has a namesake in Pakistan as well. I can imagine that will go. Any others?

The pious and saintly Aurangzeb alone has a dozen of places named after him :

A capital road gone, Mughal king Aurangzeb lives in 177 towns and villages

The most popular among those is Aurangabad, with 63 of them across the country of which 48 are in Uttar Pradesh-the state also tops the overall list with 114.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ne-aurangzeb-lives-in-177-towns-and-villages/

And it's not him alone or in fact even the Mughals, but all Islamic sounding names which are targeted.
 
This was inevitable to be honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. Ever since Bombay was changed to Mumbai, and Madras was changed to Chennai and so on, it was only a matter of time before the Mughal era names were changed as well. I don't really have any problem with it, if the majority Hindus can't abide Mughal history, then they are entitled to change it if it eases their souls.

Which other cities are under threat? There is one city called Hyderabad which has a namesake in Pakistan as well. I can imagine that will go. Any others?

Cities under threat? Really?

Prayag was the name of the place before a muslim ruler change it to reflect his bigotry. Reverting back to the original name has nothing to do with not abiding by history.
 
Cities under threat? Really?

Prayag was the name of the place before a muslim ruler change it to reflect his bigotry. Reverting back to the original name has nothing to do with not abiding by history.

A perfect example of rise in radicalized Hinduism, where they believe it is imperative to change it to Hindu name, and to show their dominance by excluding and removing anything that has to do with Muslims.

A rise in radicalized extremists Hinduism is a biggest threat to India than any external threat.
 
Apologists for the fascists evident in this thread....

this sort of step from the ruling fascists was to be expected.
 
Allahabad to become Prayagraj; Opposition protests as UP cabinet approves name change

On Saturday, Yogi Adityanath announced a proposal to rename the historic city of Allahabad and make it Prayagraj, ahead of the 2019 Kumbh Mela. He had said that the governor had given his nod and in case of a consensus, the name will be changed soon. On Tuesday, the Uttar Pradesh cabinet approved the CM's proposal to rename Allahabad.

"It might be the wish of many people that Allahabad can be renamed Prayagraj. It will be a very good message. If everyone agrees, we should know this city as Prayagraj and it can be a good start," the Chief Minister had said earlier.

According to multiple reports the minister wants to rename the city ahead of the 2019 Kumbh Mela that will draw seers, pundits, tantrics and others from across the country.

The move has drawn protests from the Congress and the Samajwadi Party.

Congress leader Onkar Singh said that the site where the Kumbh Mela takes place is already called Prayag, adding that if the minister wanted they could have made Prayagraj a different city, without any change of name.

Akhilesh Yadav, former CM of Uttar Pradesh blasted Chief Minister Yogi on Twitter and said that he wants to show that he is working just by changing names of places. "They have even re-named Ardh Kumbh to Kumbh. This is toying with tradition and belief," he said.

"Prayag is where Lord Brahma performed the first yagna. The confluence of two rivers is a 'prayag', and in Allahabad three rivers Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati meet. Hence, it is the king of 'prayags'. That is why it is 'Prayagraj'," the Chief Minister said explaining the root of the name, as mentioned in agency reports.

Prayag is the erstwhile name of Allahabad that was changed after Mughal emperor Akbar built a fort near Sangam, where the holy rivers of Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati met. He named the fort and its neighbouring area Ilahabad, which was later changed by his son Shah Jahan to Allahabad. However, the area near the confluence where Kumbh Mela is held is still called Prayag.

The UP government recently renamed the historic Mughalsarai Railway Station as well. It has been renamed Deen Dayal Upadhyaya junction.

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...abinet-approves-name-change/story/285335.html
 
Now that BJP govt has failed miserably in all spheres these last 4.5 years, expect more such gimmicks in the run up to 2019. Even if they were sincere about respecting Hindu sentiments why not rename just the region of the city where the temples associated with the Triveni Sangam (confluence of the holy rivers Ganga, Yamuna, Saraswati) are located? Why rename the whole city?
 
Good. Prayag has a long history going back to 1000 BCE . If Lyalpur could become Faisalabad then why not this?
 
This was inevitable to be honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. Ever since Bombay was changed to Mumbai, and Madras was changed to Chennai and so on, it was only a matter of time before the Mughal era names were changed as well. I don't really have any problem with it, if the majority Hindus can't abide Mughal history, then they are entitled to change it if it eases their souls.

Which other cities are under threat? There is one city called Hyderabad which has a namesake in Pakistan as well. I can imagine that will go. Any others?

Not to bore you but Madras predates the British rule. The fishing hamlet was known as Madrasapattinam around which the city was built. To the south of it was the hamlet of Chennapattinam. British called it Madras because that time the city was in the northern part. After Independence the city grew southwards, more in the area of Chennapattinam. Hence in 1996 the name change to Chennai was done in order to keep up with changes on the ground because majority population moved to the Chennapattinam area and the northern part stopped expanding/developing.

Another reason was that earlier when most of the Southern States were one, it was called Madras State. Linguistic bifurcation happened in the late 1950s and the Tamil speaking portion became Tamil Nadu (Nadu=country). But the rest of India knew all of us as Madrasis, they called all South Indians as Madrasis and it became quite tedious/disrespectful/racist to lump all of us in one category, after all the Southern states all have rich and different cultures and history. To get a clean break from this was another reason why the Dravidian parties decided to let go the term Madras.

Hyderabad won't be changed for 2 reasons. Firstly it is in a state where BJP will find it very tough to come to power. Unlike Kerala/Tamil Nadu I can't rule out the possibility of BJP coming to power there in 50 years time but it is still an uphill battle for them. Secondly the city was founded by a Muslim ruler. In case of Allahabad it was known as Prayag before the Mughal rule. Prayag was/is an important pilgrimage centre for Hindus and finds mention in Hindu religious texts. So the BJP could play the Hindu card here. Will be impossible to do that in Hyderabad because there is no historical evidence.

PM Modi and BJP President Amit Shah are from Gujarat and the most important city there is Ahmedabad. Modi developed Ahmedabad and his stature as an administrator and pro-business politician stems from the transformation of the city to one of our top cities, especially financially. But he won't change its name because Ahmedabad was founded by a Sultan and doesn't have importance in Hinduism. In fact BJP lobbied hard last year to get the Old City of Ahmedabad (Muslim part) the UNESCO World Heritage tag. Judging by that action I don't think BJP will be in a hurry to rename all cities. In South India and Eastern part they have no clout, so forget about that. They can do these stunts only in North and maybe West. North India is a better bet because it is underdeveloped with severe economic problems. Such gimmicks may work there and public (high illiteracy, unemployment) can be more easily distracted. Also the primary targets will be those places renamed or constructed (even allegedly) by Muslim rulers atop Hindu ones. Ayodhya Ram Mandir (in place of Babri Masjid) will be a hot point in the coming years. Similarly places like Varanasi and Vrindavan/Mathura will be flash points because of temple/mosque controversy. Or even places where some BJP stalwart has a connection, like Mughalsarai station renamed after an erstwhile BJP/RSS ideologue.
 
Not to bore you but Madras predates the British rule. The fishing hamlet was known as Madrasapattinam around which the city was built. To the south of it was the hamlet of Chennapattinam. British called it Madras because that time the city was in the northern part. After Independence the city grew southwards, more in the area of Chennapattinam. Hence in 1996 the name change to Chennai was done in order to keep up with changes on the ground because majority population moved to the Chennapattinam area and the northern part stopped expanding/developing.

Another reason was that earlier when most of the Southern States were one, it was called Madras State. Linguistic bifurcation happened in the late 1950s and the Tamil speaking portion became Tamil Nadu (Nadu=country). But the rest of India knew all of us as Madrasis, they called all South Indians as Madrasis and it became quite tedious/disrespectful/racist to lump all of us in one category, after all the Southern states all have rich and different cultures and history. To get a clean break from this was another reason why the Dravidian parties decided to let go the term Madras.

Hyderabad won't be changed for 2 reasons. Firstly it is in a state where BJP will find it very tough to come to power. Unlike Kerala/Tamil Nadu I can't rule out the possibility of BJP coming to power there in 50 years time but it is still an uphill battle for them. Secondly the city was founded by a Muslim ruler. In case of Allahabad it was known as Prayag before the Mughal rule. Prayag was/is an important pilgrimage centre for Hindus and finds mention in Hindu religious texts. So the BJP could play the Hindu card here. Will be impossible to do that in Hyderabad because there is no historical evidence.

PM Modi and BJP President Amit Shah are from Gujarat and the most important city there is Ahmedabad. Modi developed Ahmedabad and his stature as an administrator and pro-business politician stems from the transformation of the city to one of our top cities, especially financially. But he won't change its name because Ahmedabad was founded by a Sultan and doesn't have importance in Hinduism. In fact BJP lobbied hard last year to get the Old City of Ahmedabad (Muslim part) the UNESCO World Heritage tag. Judging by that action I don't think BJP will be in a hurry to rename all cities. In South India and Eastern part they have no clout, so forget about that. They can do these stunts only in North and maybe West. North India is a better bet because it is underdeveloped with severe economic problems. Such gimmicks may work there and public (high illiteracy, unemployment) can be more easily distracted. Also the primary targets will be those places renamed or constructed (even allegedly) by Muslim rulers atop Hindu ones. Ayodhya Ram Mandir (in place of Babri Masjid) will be a hot point in the coming years. Similarly places like Varanasi and Vrindavan/Mathura will be flash points because of temple/mosque controversy. Or even places where some BJP stalwart has a connection, like Mughalsarai station renamed after an erstwhile BJP/RSS ideologue.

Ahmedabad was not established by any sultan. It was called Karnavati before that.
 
Good. Prayag has a long history going back to 1000 BCE . If Lyalpur could become Faisalabad then why not this?

But India is a sekular country where there is no radicalism of religious extremists. lol

Indian are daily telling on this forum that religion has nothing to do with anything in India.
 
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The response to the Babri masjid destruction was too timid in Pak (few temples damaged) but I think the govt. should seriously think about transforming all Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras of Pak into horse stables or something, like Ranjit Singh did with the Badshahi mosque, as a way to answer each time Hindu nationalists attack the Islamic heritage of the erstwhile glorious Mughal Empire.
 
Not to bore you but Madras predates the British rule. The fishing hamlet was known as Madrasapattinam around which the city was built. To the south of it was the hamlet of Chennapattinam. British called it Madras because that time the city was in the northern part. After Independence the city grew southwards, more in the area of Chennapattinam. Hence in 1996 the name change to Chennai was done in order to keep up with changes on the ground because majority population moved to the Chennapattinam area and the northern part stopped expanding/developing.

Another reason was that earlier when most of the Southern States were one, it was called Madras State. Linguistic bifurcation happened in the late 1950s and the Tamil speaking portion became Tamil Nadu (Nadu=country). But the rest of India knew all of us as Madrasis, they called all South Indians as Madrasis and it became quite tedious/disrespectful/racist to lump all of us in one category, after all the Southern states all have rich and different cultures and history. To get a clean break from this was another reason why the Dravidian parties decided to let go the term Madras.

Hyderabad won't be changed for 2 reasons. Firstly it is in a state where BJP will find it very tough to come to power. Unlike Kerala/Tamil Nadu I can't rule out the possibility of BJP coming to power there in 50 years time but it is still an uphill battle for them. Secondly the city was founded by a Muslim ruler. In case of Allahabad it was known as Prayag before the Mughal rule. Prayag was/is an important pilgrimage centre for Hindus and finds mention in Hindu religious texts. So the BJP could play the Hindu card here. Will be impossible to do that in Hyderabad because there is no historical evidence.

PM Modi and BJP President Amit Shah are from Gujarat and the most important city there is Ahmedabad. Modi developed Ahmedabad and his stature as an administrator and pro-business politician stems from the transformation of the city to one of our top cities, especially financially. But he won't change its name because Ahmedabad was founded by a Sultan and doesn't have importance in Hinduism. In fact BJP lobbied hard last year to get the Old City of Ahmedabad (Muslim part) the UNESCO World Heritage tag. Judging by that action I don't think BJP will be in a hurry to rename all cities. In South India and Eastern part they have no clout, so forget about that. They can do these stunts only in North and maybe West. North India is a better bet because it is underdeveloped with severe economic problems. Such gimmicks may work there and public (high illiteracy, unemployment) can be more easily distracted. Also the primary targets will be those places renamed or constructed (even allegedly) by Muslim rulers atop Hindu ones. Ayodhya Ram Mandir (in place of Babri Masjid) will be a hot point in the coming years. Similarly places like Varanasi and Vrindavan/Mathura will be flash points because of temple/mosque controversy. Or even places where some BJP stalwart has a connection, like Mughalsarai station renamed after an erstwhile BJP/RSS ideologue.

In east India BJP has no clout? Really?

They are ruling in Bihar and most N E states. Their numbers are increasing in Bengal and Odisha. In the south they are already the biggest party in Karnataka. They rule the economic hubs of Gujarat and Maharashtra.

The Sabrimala movement may just give Bjp the push they need in Kerala.

Its interesting how you think that Hindu sentiments are gimmicks.
 
Good. Prayag has a long history going back to 1000 BCE . If Lyalpur could become Faisalabad then why not this?

Lyal pur to Faisalabad

Montgomery to Sahiwal

Toba Tek Singh is still Toba Tek Singh

I hope you can Notice something.
 
The response to the Babri masjid destruction was too timid in Pak (few temples damaged) but I think the govt. should seriously think about transforming all Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras of Pak into horse stables or something, like Ranjit Singh did with the Badshahi mosque, as a way to answer each time Hindu nationalists attack the Islamic heritage of the erstwhile glorious Mughal Empire.

This is funny. Pakistanis destroying propwrties in their own country because something happened in India. Lol.

Shows where non muslims in pakistan stand.
 
But India is a sekular country where there is no radicalism of religious extremists. lol

Indian are daily telling on this forum that religion has nothing to do with anything in India.

I couldn't care less about secularism. And it's not like Muslims are being directly harmed by this action and if they are then they should immediately revert back to the old name.
I don't care what Indians do on this forum. Don't complain to me like a regular kam wali bai with bucket load of free time on her hands.
 
The response to the Babri masjid destruction was too timid in Pak (few temples damaged) but I think the govt. should seriously think about transforming all Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras of Pak into horse stables or something, like Ranjit Singh did with the Badshahi mosque, as a way to answer each time Hindu nationalists attack the Islamic heritage of the erstwhile glorious Mughal Empire.

Answer to cultural and religious oppression in India is to subject Pakistani Hindus of the same ... what kind of absurd suggestion is this?
 
BJP and Modi will bring about a Hindu Empire which will rule the world. #Bollywood#There'salwaysafirst
 
I couldn't care less about secularism. And it's not like Muslims are being directly harmed by this action and if they are then they should immediately revert back to the old name.
I don't care what Indians do on this forum. Don't complain to me like a regular kam wali bai with bucket load of free time on her hands.

Off course you do not care, you must be elated, finally Hindu of India has shown spine and trying to get back their country and regain some self respect among themselves.

I always have time for radicalized extremist nationalists. I find it entertaining to get their lungi tight when they are called out.
 
The response to the Babri masjid destruction was too timid in Pak (few temples damaged) but I think the govt. should seriously think about transforming all Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras of Pak into horse stables or something, like Ranjit Singh did with the Badshahi mosque, as a way to answer each time Hindu nationalists attack the Islamic heritage of the erstwhile glorious Mughal Empire.

30 temples were razed to the ground in Pakistan in response to Babri incident and there has been little progress in restoring them. You call that timid? Hindus and Sikhs are a mere 2% of your population and it hurts you to leave the remaining few temples for their use? How inhumane of you. There are 300,000 mosques in India but you can't have a few dozen temples/gurdwaras for Pakistani minorities? What is common between a Hindu nationalist in India and a poor Pakistani Hindu/Sikh citizen?
 
Why are pakistanis so concerned about a name change in India? What is the problem?
 
Off course you do not care, you must be elated, finally Hindu of India has shown spine and trying to get back their country and regain some self respect among themselves.

I always have time for radicalized extremist nationalists. I find it entertaining to get their lungi tight when they are called out.
My folks wear a Dhoti. Lungi is worn down south.
 
In east India BJP has no clout? Really?

They are ruling in Bihar and most N E states. Their numbers are increasing in Bengal and Odisha. In the south they are already the biggest party in Karnataka. They rule the economic hubs of Gujarat and Maharashtra.

The Sabrimala movement may just give Bjp the push they need in Kerala.

Its interesting how you think that Hindu sentiments are gimmicks.

NDA is ruling in North East, not BJP. North Eastern parties are playing along because they don't want to upset the might of Delhi. When the tide turns they will dump BJP for good.

In Bengal they will find it very difficult to come to power, Odisha is a definite possibility though.

In Karnataka they are out of power, they can't take on the combined might of JDS-INC. That 2008-2013 period of rule won't be repeated as easily as in some other traditional strongholds.

Not talking about Maharashtra/Gujarat. Improve your comprehension skills.

They will come to power in Kerala in a parallel universe, not this one.

It is interesting how you showboat your virtues of nationalism without considering all sections of society, in this case Indian Muslims, 170 million strong. India isn't a Hindu country, India's Islamic past is a reality and so deal with it. If our Muslim past hurts you so much, ask the PM to stop his Independence Day Broadcast from the Red Fort, a Mughal monument. Also ask him to stop taking visiting dignitaries to photo ops in Taj Mahal.
 
My folks wear a Dhoti. Lungi is worn down south.

what is the difference?

I thought it was the same.

I want to use the appropriate nomenclature, trying to not offend radicalized extremists religious party members, who knows, they might force everyone to call it Dhoti and publicly prosecute those who do not adhere to Hindu version.
 
what is the difference?

I thought it was the same.

I want to use the appropriate nomenclature, trying to not offend radicalized extremists religious party members, who knows, they might force everyone to call it Dhoti and publicly prosecute those who do not adhere to Hindu version.
Dhoti is different. There are separate ways by which both are tied.Having worn both in the past I have found that it's much harder to properly tie a Dhoti and can lead to embarrassing situations if not done right.

Also it's harder to pee in a Dhoti as well.
 
NDA is ruling in North East, not BJP. North Eastern parties are playing along because they don't want to upset the might of Delhi. When the tide turns they will dump BJP for good.

In Bengal they will find it very difficult to come to power, Odisha is a definite possibility though.

In Karnataka they are out of power, they can't take on the combined might of JDS-INC. That 2008-2013 period of rule won't be repeated as easily as in some other traditional strongholds.

Not talking about Maharashtra/Gujarat. Improve your comprehension skills.

They will come to power in Kerala in a parallel universe, not this one.

It is interesting how you showboat your virtues of nationalism without considering all sections of society, in this case Indian Muslims, 170 million strong. India isn't a Hindu country, India's Islamic past is a reality and so deal with it. If our Muslim past hurts you so much, ask the PM to stop his Independence Day Broadcast from the Red Fort, a Mughal monument. Also ask him to stop taking visiting dignitaries to photo ops in Taj Mahal.

Bjp is ruling in Assam Arunachal Manipur Tripura.. Nagaland sikkim and meghalaya they are in coalition.

Bengal they are likely to be the second biggest party.

In karnataka they are the single largest party. They will come to power sooner rather than later.

So calling Prayag as Prayag is hurting muslim statements?
 
I meant peeing while wearing a Dhoti. Of course you wouldn't want to pee right in as such. That would be even more embarrassing.
 
you would suspect any other country with nearly 200 million belonging to a particular religious group would think twice before going around renaming cities that they would have cultural ties to.

just goes to show how marginalised indian muslims are that the powers that be wont even pay them a token gesture to acknowledge there existence.

instead of embracing its history, india is trying to wipe it out, id expect less insecurity from a supposedly modern society.
 
The combined burn caused to our parosis by this one restoration of name is really funny.

One name restored in a country they have nothing to do with and watch them jump up and down for no reason.
 
you would suspect any other country with nearly 200 million belonging to a particular religious group would think twice before going around renaming cities that they would have cultural ties to.

just goes to show how marginalised indian muslims are that the powers that be wont even pay them a token gesture to acknowledge there existence.

instead of embracing its history, india is trying to wipe it out, id expect less insecurity from a supposedly modern society.

Akbar renamed a holy city of Hindus that was more than a millenia old. The old name has been now restored.

May be unlike you, Indian muslims dont support bigotry of muslim rulers, just because they were muslims.
 
Akbar renamed a holy city of Hindus that was more than a millenia old. The old name has been now restored.

May be unlike you, Indian muslims dont support bigotry of muslim rulers, just because they were muslims.

so muslim rulers changing the name of a city to display their power over hindus is bigotry, but hindu rulers eradicating the vestiges of muslim rule to display their control over muslims is much different? the irony is clearly lost on you.
 
so muslim rulers changing the name of a city to display their power over hindus is bigotry, but hindu rulers eradicating the vestiges of muslim rule to display their control over muslims is much different? the irony is clearly lost on you.

How was anything eradicated?

Only restoration was done.
 
The combined burn caused to our parosis by this one restoration of name is really funny.

One name restored in a country they have nothing to do with and watch them jump up and down for no reason.

Beimg a supporter of any religious extremists party isn’t funny.
 
If you're having to change names of places in 2018 to feel relevant and help your insecurities to feel power over minorities, then there's few more things you're gonna have to change.
 
Not to bore you but Madras predates the British rule. The fishing hamlet was known as Madrasapattinam around which the city was built. To the south of it was the hamlet of Chennapattinam. British called it Madras because that time the city was in the northern part. After Independence the city grew southwards, more in the area of Chennapattinam. Hence in 1996 the name change to Chennai was done in order to keep up with changes on the ground because majority population moved to the Chennapattinam area and the northern part stopped expanding/developing.

Another reason was that earlier when most of the Southern States were one, it was called Madras State. Linguistic bifurcation happened in the late 1950s and the Tamil speaking portion became Tamil Nadu (Nadu=country). But the rest of India knew all of us as Madrasis, they called all South Indians as Madrasis and it became quite tedious/disrespectful/racist to lump all of us in one category, after all the Southern states all have rich and different cultures and history. To get a clean break from this was another reason why the Dravidian parties decided to let go the term Madras.

Hyderabad won't be changed for 2 reasons. Firstly it is in a state where BJP will find it very tough to come to power. Unlike Kerala/Tamil Nadu I can't rule out the possibility of BJP coming to power there in 50 years time but it is still an uphill battle for them. Secondly the city was founded by a Muslim ruler. In case of Allahabad it was known as Prayag before the Mughal rule. Prayag was/is an important pilgrimage centre for Hindus and finds mention in Hindu religious texts. So the BJP could play the Hindu card here. Will be impossible to do that in Hyderabad because there is no historical evidence.

PM Modi and BJP President Amit Shah are from Gujarat and the most important city there is Ahmedabad. Modi developed Ahmedabad and his stature as an administrator and pro-business politician stems from the transformation of the city to one of our top cities, especially financially. But he won't change its name because Ahmedabad was founded by a Sultan and doesn't have importance in Hinduism. In fact BJP lobbied hard last year to get the Old City of Ahmedabad (Muslim part) the UNESCO World Heritage tag. Judging by that action I don't think BJP will be in a hurry to rename all cities. In South India and Eastern part they have no clout, so forget about that. They can do these stunts only in North and maybe West. North India is a better bet because it is underdeveloped with severe economic problems. Such gimmicks may work there and public (high illiteracy, unemployment) can be more easily distracted. Also the primary targets will be those places renamed or constructed (even allegedly) by Muslim rulers atop Hindu ones. Ayodhya Ram Mandir (in place of Babri Masjid) will be a hot point in the coming years. Similarly places like Varanasi and Vrindavan/Mathura will be flash points because of temple/mosque controversy. Or even places where some BJP stalwart has a connection, like Mughalsarai station renamed after an erstwhile BJP/RSS ideologue.

Don't talk nonsense and man up and criticize your Dravidian thugs for political games similar to what you are doing for Allahabad.
 
If you're having to change names of places in 2018 to feel relevant and help your insecurities to feel power over minorities, then there's few more things you're gonna have to change.

Are you saying Mughals were feeling insecure?
 
Its a stupid move as expected, Mughals rule is part of our history accept it and move on this in India now Aryans Dravidian Mughals British, they all ruled and lead, just move on already, Madras,Bombay,Kolkata were also nonsensical and now this.

India is a country now,not sure why its so hard to accept its history by the dimwits Sadhus.
 
NDA is ruling in North East, not BJP. North Eastern parties are playing along because they don't want to upset the might of Delhi. When the tide turns they will dump BJP for good.

In Bengal they will find it very difficult to come to power, Odisha is a definite possibility though.

In Karnataka they are out of power, they can't take on the combined might of JDS-INC. That 2008-2013 period of rule won't be repeated as easily as in some other traditional strongholds.

Not talking about Maharashtra/Gujarat. Improve your comprehension skills.

They will come to power in Kerala in a parallel universe, not this one.

It is interesting how you showboat your virtues of nationalism without considering all sections of society, in this case Indian Muslims, 170 million strong. India isn't a Hindu country, India's Islamic past is a reality and so deal with it. If our Muslim past hurts you so much, ask the PM to stop his Independence Day Broadcast from the Red Fort, a Mughal monument. Also ask him to stop taking visiting dignitaries to photo ops in Taj Mahal.

BJP is ruling in Assam. The biggest state in NE. BJP has one of the strongest leaders here. You have no idea what goes on here. So stop with this nonsense.

The above scenario doesn't happen here because mughals never ruled us in this part of India. British ruled for 100 years but there were no significant changes.

the changes which did occur were according to normal course rather than due to change in throne.
 
The response to the Babri masjid destruction was too timid in Pak (few temples damaged) but I think the govt. should seriously think about transforming all Hindu temples and Sikh gurdwaras of Pak into horse stables or something, like Ranjit Singh did with the Badshahi mosque, as a way to answer each time Hindu nationalists attack the Islamic heritage of the erstwhile glorious Mughal Empire.

Go ahead..why would it matter to Indians?
 
Go ahead..why would it matter to Indians?

Hope he doesnt mean it. What do Hindus in Pakistan have to do with India's communal actions?

India on the other hand is doing some ridiculous things to antagonise muslims. Changing names of these places wont achieve anything. Its not productive in any way, its not beneficial to the society or economy. I think even the most patriotic of Indians would agree that its just an attempt of political point scoring. Its a dangerous thing.
 
Hope he doesnt mean it. What do Hindus in Pakistan have to do with India's communal actions?

India on the other hand is doing some ridiculous things to antagonise muslims. Changing names of these places wont achieve anything. Its not productive in any way, its not beneficial to the society or economy. I think even the most patriotic of Indians would agree that its just an attempt of political point scoring. Its a dangerous thing.

Why will muslims be antagonised if a hindu place of pilgrimage has its hindu name restored?
 
Lyal pur to Faisalabad

Montgomery to Sahiwal

Toba Tek Singh is still Toba Tek Singh

I hope you can Notice something.

If they noticed it, they are quietly ignoring it. I'm surprised no one has asked how come Lahore was never renamed something like Shariabad or something more appropriate.
 
Why will muslims be antagonised if a hindu place of pilgrimage has its hindu name restored?

Because the place has had a muslim sounding name since centuries and changing it to a hindu name would be seen by muslims as a communal attack against them.
 
These Hindu's have lost the plot! Wonder what the city of Prayagraj was during the dinosaur era!!? It is ridiculous to go back centuries and change names of cities. Next they will be telling their Muslim's to change names as well. All this nonsense only happens in India nowhere else. Thankfully the Brits or Americans are not calling for London or New York to be changed to whatever it was 10 million years back.
 
These Hindu's have lost the plot! Wonder what the city of Prayagraj was during the dinosaur era!!? It is ridiculous to go back centuries and change names of cities. Next they will be telling their Muslim's to change names as well. All this nonsense only happens in India nowhere else. Thankfully the Brits or Americans are not calling for London or New York to be changed to whatever it was 10 million years back.

Ridiculous indeed. And devoid of any sane man's logic. Its communal logic.
 
This was inevitable to be honest, I am surprised it has taken this long. Ever since Bombay was changed to Mumbai, and Madras was changed to Chennai and so on, it was only a matter of time before the Mughal era names were changed as well. I don't really have any problem with it, if the majority Hindus can't abide Mughal history, then they are entitled to change it if it eases their souls.

Bombay isn't a Mughal era name, god. It was barely a fishing village until the British reclaimed the island and developed it as a port. Prior to this, it was named after 'Mumbadevi' so at least there was some logic to the Bombay -> Mumbai name change.
 
Posts on this thread indicate how extremism has become a way of life for rabid Hindutva supporters. Such things are getting normalized now, in the future these acts will set a precedent for further bigotry and discrimination. Lines that were respected even as recently as 2013 are now being crossed because right wing fundamentalists are emboldened and there is no going back. Sanghis on twitter/FB are today targeting Akbar, an emperor who was probably the most tolerant and respectful of Hindu faith. He even started his own religion, he wasn't the Aurangzeb kind. Yet look at how he is being vilified in today's India to spew bile on our medieval past.

Anyone who raises a caution to the dark path our country is heading towards is being treated as an enemy of the state. Muslims are jihadis, left wing leaning activists/adivasis are Naxals, Tamils are anti national Dravidian thugs (on this thread itself), Christians are foreign agents, Communists are China's puppets on a mission to break India. I guess this is how Pakistan transformed into its current state. Well India has joined ranks with its neighbor, no more moral posturing from our side please.
 
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Because the place has had a muslim sounding name since centuries and changing it to a hindu name would be seen by muslims as a communal attack against them.

A city name change is a communal attack and reason to get cranky? Please, man up, pretend that China has done this and get on with your life.

Besides, if the new name doesn't stick, it doesn't stick. Nobody calls it Bengaluru anyway.
 
A city name change is a communal attack and reason to get cranky? Please, man up, pretend that China has done this and get on with your life.

Besides, if the new name doesn't stick, it doesn't stick. Nobody calls it Bengaluru anyway.

Dont ask me to man up. I dont care if you change all the Indian cities name to hindu names. But dont be naive and think Indian muslims wouldnt feel attacked by such moves. Be realistic not idealistic.
 
Another ridiculous step by the BJP politiicans.

It is a political plot to get some easy votes. Thats it!

People lives do not change by changing name. India was doing just fine with some muslim names. Allahabad, or Illahbad, as its pronounces in Hindi, will remain Ilahabad.

I was ok with the British names of Calcutta and Bombay changing. After all, the Brits were not from here, and nor is there any significant population of British settled as Indians.

Muslims though, are a part of India, and add as much to the local culture and traditions as much a hindu does. Keeping a 500 year old muslim name will not make it some unholy place.

Why cant the government concetrate on things that are more important for the development of people - Education, Poverty, illtratement of people, corruption.

AND before someone tells me - The the UP govt can do both - Please go and take a look a the human development statistics of UP. I come from the place and can promise you, its still stinks
 
Posts on this thread indicate how extremism has become a way of life for rabid Hindutva supporters. Such things are getting normalized now, in the future these acts will set a precedent for further bigotry and discrimination. Lines that were respected even as recently as 2013 are now being crossed because right wing fundamentalists are emboldened and there is no going back. Sanghis on twitter/FB are today targeting Akbar, an emperor who was probably the most tolerant and respectful of Hindu faith. He even started his own religion, he wasn't the Aurangzeb kind. Yet look at how he is being vilified in today's India to spew bile on our medieval past.

Anyone who raises a caution to the dark path our country is heading towards is being treated as an enemy of the state. Muslims are jihadis, left wing leaning activists/adivasis are Naxals, Tamils are anti national Dravidian thugs (on this thread itself), Christians are foreign agents, Communists are China's puppets on a mission to break India. I guess this is how Pakistan transformed into its current state. Well India has joined ranks with its neighbor, no more moral posturing from our side please.

This is the worrying part that educated posters are calling such names.

This is how Pakistan became where it is now. We need to stop this rot.
 
Dont ask me to man up. I dont care if you change all the Indian cities name to hindu names. But dont be naive and think Indian muslims wouldnt feel attacked by such moves. Be realistic not idealistic.

A. I haven't made any change, never voted in any election, and will never go to this godforsaken place.

B. You won't either. And since this change has been made and you're the only one getting your knickers in a twist and foaming at the mouth about your religion being maligned (as usual), my previous post merely presented a coping technique you can use going forward.

You already have your hands full trying to go about the Himalayan task of liberating Kashmir (pun intended), so thank me later.
 
Posts on this thread indicate how extremism has become a way of life for rabid Hindutva supporters. Such things are getting normalized now, in the future these acts will set a precedent for further bigotry and discrimination. Lines that were respected even as recently as 2013 are now being crossed because right wing fundamentalists are emboldened and there is no going back. Sanghis on twitter/FB are today targeting Akbar, an emperor who was probably the most tolerant and respectful of Hindu faith. He even started his own religion, he wasn't the Aurangzeb kind. Yet look at how he is being vilified in today's India to spew bile on our medieval past.

Anyone who raises a caution to the dark path our country is heading towards is being treated as an enemy of the state. Muslims are jihadis, left wing leaning activists/adivasis are Naxals, Tamils are anti national Dravidian thugs (on this thread itself), Christians are foreign agents, Communists are China's puppets on a mission to break India. I guess this is how Pakistan transformed into its current state. Well India has joined ranks with its neighbor, no more moral posturing from our side please.

Your previous posts has proved that you've absolutely no idea what is going on in India specially in the north east part.

Here you are talking about socio economic factors but you don't even have a clue about the ruling government.

I'll take every words coming from you with a pinch of salt. Because the conclusion that you draw is based upon false premises which is evident in this thread.
 
Because the place has had a muslim sounding name since centuries and changing it to a hindu name would be seen by muslims as a communal attack against them.

A name, is getting reverted to its original form. You would have had a case had it was any other name.

You would have had a case if Allahabad was the name in the history throughout from ancient times and it was changed to some other.

But our history goes way back. If you are calling it as it were once, that's the right justification.
 
A. I haven't made any change, never voted in any election, and will never go to this godforsaken place.

B. You won't either. And since this change has been made and you're the only one getting your knickers in a twist and foaming at the mouth about your religion being maligned (as usual), my previous post merely presented a coping technique you can use going forward.

You already have your hands full trying to go about the Himalayan task of liberating Kashmir (pun intended), so thank me later.

A. By "you" i didnt mean you in particular. It was a general comment that i wouldnt care even if all indian cities are given hindu names.

B. Eh? So commenting that a particular action might lead to a particular reaction by people means i am "getting my knickers in a twist" :)) i think you have lost the plot here (not surprising). Not once in this thread did i talk about somebody maligning my religion. I dont need a coping technique and as i said,i couldnt care less if Indian cities are named prayag or lala land. Its an open forum to give your opinion about things, which i did.

If you cant handle a different opinion and have to resort to insults or irrelevant stuff like my stance on Kashmir then you arent fit to be on the internet.
 
A name, is getting reverted to its original form. You would have had a case had it was any other name.

You would have had a case if Allahabad was the name in the history throughout from ancient times and it was changed to some other.

But our history goes way back. If you are calling it as it were once, that's the right justification.

For how many centuries was Allahabad the name up until TODAY? Why is it being changed other than to appease hindu voters?
 
B. Eh? So commenting that a particular action might lead to a particular reaction by people means i am "getting my knickers in a twist" :)) i think you have lost the plot here (not surprising). Not once in this thread did i talk about somebody maligning my religion. I dont need a coping technique and as i said,i couldnt care less if Indian cities are named prayag or lala land. Its an open forum to give your opinion about things, which i did.
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Because the place has had a muslim sounding name since centuries and changing it to a hindu name would be seen by muslims as a communal attack against them.

Your words, not mine.

And I figured the perception of a communal attack needed to be dispelled. Just trying to be helpful eh.
 
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Your words, not mine.

And I figured the perception of a communal attack needed to be dispelled. Just trying to be helpful eh.

Am i missing something here?

What exactly gave you the impression that my words meant i am saying somebody is maligning my religion? I am really curious.

All i said was that muslims of India will see the name changing as a communal attack on them (their identity). I cant see where i said somebody is trying to malign Islam by changing name of cities.

And finally, i was talking about perception. Muslims of India would perceieve it as a communal attack. Even if Indian government's intentions are most noble in changing these names. And if you are realistic enough, you will agree that muslims will infact think this way like any other community would do if they find themselves in such a position.
 
For how many centuries was Allahabad the name up until TODAY? Why is it being changed other than to appease hindu voters?

It is more in the line of bringing back heritage of india. Many other places are in consideration to change their names to their old names.

It has nothing to do with religion. It is just a co incidence that the name sounds Hindu because at that time, there wasn't Muslim rulers in place.

You are conflicting historical reason with religion. If you want to twist it, you can but no such conflict was seen in past when names are changed as those names aren't arbitrary that came out of no where rather, they had a rich past behind it.
 
Why does India not change names like "Queens necklace" in Mumbai to it's original name from centuries back?. It seems that Muslim and Moghul sounding names are the ones they have the problem with. Next the Taj Mahal will become Tajo Mahaliya! Idiots..
 
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30 temples were razed to the ground in Pakistan in response to Babri incident and there has been little progress in restoring them. You call that timid? Hindus and Sikhs are a mere 2% of your population and it hurts you to leave the remaining few temples for their use? How inhumane of you. There are 300,000 mosques in India but you can't have a few dozen temples/gurdwaras for Pakistani minorities? What is common between a Hindu nationalist in India and a poor Pakistani Hindu/Sikh citizen?

More temples have been demolished in Gujarat under Modi, and you call changing the glorious name of a city for communal reasons "humane" ? No one has ever heard of Pragysomething while Allahabad is associated with Islamic culture, Urdu poets, etc Hindu nationalists are not Indian nationalists in the sense that they also look at the welfare of non Indian Hindus as well, so if the Hindu symbolic in Pak is targeted the same way they attempt to do in India with Islamic heritage, they'll at least feel something, instead of being all passive and post comments on PP while Ghalib is soon called Ganesh to not "offend Hindu sentiments".
 
Its a game of power. India is for Hindus otherwise the state would have gone on to name that was there before prayag or even before that.And they say India is a secular country...
 
It was Prayag. A holy place of Hindus.

I think Emperor Akbar changed its name to Allahabad.

This. Sanctity of the name has been restored, and it is good to see Hindus being unapologetic about it for a change.
 
Its a game of power. India is for Hindus otherwise the state would have gone on to name that was there before prayag or even before that.And they say India is a secular country...

Prayag holds a religious significance to Hindus, names before that don't.
 
Why does India not change names like "Queens necklace" in Mumbai to it's original name from centuries back?. It seems that Muslim and Moghul sounding names are the ones they have the problem with. Next the Taj Mahal will become Tajo Mahaliya! Idiots..

You are at the verge of calling the whole nation stupid that includes us indians here too. You have to draw a line somewhere.
 
Now they will tell us Muslim's of India are having a brilliant time:afridi1 There is no discrimination in secular India at all:)):))They will justify it by telling us of their celebrities with Muslim names:)):))
 
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