Hindu nationalist-led state changes Muslim name of Indian city

[sjahmed23]

Despite what anyone says, Modi is one shrewd politician, much like Trump. He's playing the nationalist card that always wins the elections but history has taught us that it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle afterwards.

I fear for the world as the whole world seems to be turning to right wing nut jobs

 

[CricketCartoons]

Despite what anyone says, Modi is one shrewd politician, much like Trump. He's playing the nationalist card that always wins the elections but history has taught us that it is hard to put the genie back in the bottle afterwards.

I fear for the world as the whole world seems to be turning to right wing nut jobs

it is not modi who is doing these good things for us. it is Yogi Adityanath Ji.

hate modi as he is not right wing enough and has done zilch for us hindus.

 

[sjahmed23]

it is not modi who is doing these good things for us. it is Yogi Adityanath Ji.

hate modi as he is not right wing enough and has done zilch for us hindus.

Maybe its time for India to do away with Modi ji then and take up a notch.

 

[PakLFC]

BJP now wants it's Muslim members to change their names to Hindu ones.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see Original Indo-Aryan names are becoming official again over *******ized Perso-Arabic names of Invaders.

We are witnessing reemergence of Great Indian Civilization again for the third time India will witness Golden Age after Charkravartin(King of the Kings, World rulers) Mauryans and Guptas.

What an amazing time to live !

You are celebrating prematurely my friend. There's nothing amazing about being alive in present day India, we get live feedback from documentaries from the country. Come back in 30 years and we can reassess.

 

[Brahmarshi]

You are celebrating prematurely my friend. There's nothing amazing about being alive in present day India, we get live feedback from documentaries from the country. Come back in 30 years and we can reassess.

As an Indian living in India, I disagree.

 

[Brahmarshi]

Agrawal always reminds me of 'Aggarwal Sweets Corner'.

We also have Aggarwal in Gujarat.

Local agarval have surname "Agravat" and migrants from North have original Aggarwal surname.

 

[Brahmarshi]

I read somewhere that India originally was a Buddhist country.. is that Right?

Vedic > puranic > buddhist,Jain, puranic > puranic,bhakti

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As an Indian living in India, I disagree.

That is like a Pakistani living in a mansion in Islamabad saying what a fantastic country I live in.

 

[Brahmarshi]

That is like a Pakistani living in a mansion in Islamabad saying what a fantastic country I live in.

His opinion is still more credible tuan some British Desi

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His opinion is still more credible tuan some British Desi

Please explain how.

 

[Brahmarshi]

Lol good start welcome to the forum hope you stay long, doing what dividing India since 1947 congratulations.

And lol at Brits gave you freedom who do you think I'm ?

So you started behaving like a civilized person and stopped abusing my ethinicity and my people.

Good, thank you for warm welcome.

I come from this region, we were always "Free man", with our Kings and their dynasties that ruled our land for centuries

 

[JaDed]

So you started behaving like a civilized person and stopped abusing my ethinicity and my people.

Good, thank you for warm welcome.

I come from this region, we were always "Free man", with our Kings and their dynasties that ruled our land for centuries

No I'm just mocking you ,good you didn't realize that , if you think you can swear on this forum you would be surprised and Junagadh? Lol ok warrior clan eh

 

[TM Riddle]

So you started behaving like a civilized person and stopped abusing my ethinicity and my people.

Good, thank you for warm welcome.

I come from this region, we were always "Free man", with our Kings and their dynasties that ruled our land for centuries

Who are 'we' here?

 

[Smbhayi]

Shah is a Persian word, it is not from Sanskrit. If they (BJP) are changing the names of cities, they should first start with their own names: Professor Irfan Habib, Historian pic.twitter.com/AVUc0Q5Wja
12:54 AM - 11 Nov 2018

https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/first-change-persian-word-shah-habib/cid/1674888

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shah is a Persian word, it is not from Sanskrit. If they (BJP) are changing the names of cities, they should first start with their own names: Professor Irfan Habib, Historian pic.twitter.com/AVUc0Q5Wja
12:54 AM - 11 Nov 2018

https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/first-change-persian-word-shah-habib/cid/1674888

No its not. Irfan Habib can keep trying to twist it but others have made a mockery of these stupid claims of his.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I read somewhere that India originally was a Buddhist country.. is that Right?

Huh? Where did you read this history?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

No its not. Irfan Habib can keep trying to twist it but others have made a mockery of these stupid claims of his.

Which others? And on what basis did they mock him?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Which others? And on what basis did they mock him?

Shah comes from Sanskrit word Sahukar which is a combination of two sanskrit words Sadhu(Honest/Gentleman) and Kar(Doer) Its a widely used surname among trader and businessman caste.

Many well known verified twitter accounts have mocked Irfan Habib for trying to islamise what is a hindu caste surname.

Irfan Habib is known to have tried to islamise aspects of indian history which has nothing to do with Islam.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Irfan Habib sb is the only person I have taken a selfie with. He lives in his old haveli with antique stuff in every room and Mrs Habib who has aged gracefully looks like she was very pretty in her youth.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Shah comes from Sanskrit word Sahukar which is a combination of two sanskrit words Sadhu(Honest/Gentleman) and Kar(Doer) Its a widely used surname among trader and businessman caste.

Many well known verified twitter accounts have mocked Irfan Habib for trying to islamise what is a hindu caste surname.

Irfan Habib is known to have tried to islamise aspects of indian history which has nothing to do with Islam.

Please read the attached article, which dispels the above. I’ll take the word of Historians and University lecturers over religious fundamentalists with an obvious agenda.

Several Twitter users attacked Habib in foul language over his comments to ANI and at least one claimed that “Shah is derived from a Sanskrit word which means sadhu”.

Contacted by this newspaper, Tapan Sankar Bhattacharyya, head of the Sanskrit department at Jadavpur University, said he was surprised at the suggestion that Shah could have anything to do with sadhu.

“One is spelt with talavya (palatal — with the tongue touching the palate) sha and the other with dantya (dental) sha. Sadhu comes from the Sanskrit root sadh, meaning to meditate.”

The word shah, Bhattacharyya said, does not even figure in standard Sanskrit dictionaries like the Shabdakalpadrum and Bachaspatyam by Taranath Bachaspati.

Only M. Monier Williams’s Sanskrit English Dictionary has an entry that describes shah as a noun meaning “of a country belonging to Kashmir”.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please read the attached article, which dispels the above. I’ll take the word of Historians and University lecturers over religious fundamentalists with an obvious agenda.

I live in Kolkata and i know Telegraph and Jadavpur uni. Thats why i ignored it.

Why will hindu castes existing before muslims take a muslim surname. Lol.

 

[cric_man]

Shah comes from Sanskrit word Sahukar which is a combination of two sanskrit words Sadhu(Honest/Gentleman) and Kar(Doer) Its a widely used surname among trader and businessman caste.

Many well known verified twitter accounts have mocked Irfan Habib for trying to islamise what is a hindu caste surname.

Irfan Habib is known to have tried to islamise aspects of indian history which has nothing to do with Islam.

Origin of Shah is Persian meaning king.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah

Shah (/ʃɑː/; Persian: شاه‎, translit. Šāh, pronounced [ʃɒːh], "king") is a title given to the emperors, kings, princes and lords of Iran (historically also known as Persia). It was also adopted by the kings of Shirvan (a historical Iranian region in Transcaucasia) namely the Shirvanshahs, the rulers and offspring of the Ottoman Empire (in that context spelled as Şah and Şeh), Mughal emperors of the Indian Subcontinent, the Bengal Sultanate,[1] as well as in Afghanistan. In Iran (Persia and Greater Persia) the title was continuously used; rather than King in the European sense, each Persian ruler regarded himself as the Šāhanšāh (King of Kings) or Emperor of the Persian Empire.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Origin of Shah is Persian meaning king.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah

Shah (/ʃɑː/; Persian: شاه‎, translit. Šāh, pronounced [ʃɒːh], "king") is a title given to the emperors, kings, princes and lords of Iran (historically also known as Persia). It was also adopted by the kings of Shirvan (a historical Iranian region in Transcaucasia) namely the Shirvanshahs, the rulers and offspring of the Ottoman Empire (in that context spelled as Şah and Şeh), Mughal emperors of the Indian Subcontinent, the Bengal Sultanate,[1] as well as in Afghanistan. In Iran (Persia and Greater Persia) the title was continuously used; rather than King in the European sense, each Persian ruler regarded himself as the Šāhanšāh (King of Kings) or Emperor of the Persian Empire.

No it is not.


The surname like many other Indian surnames has been adopted by various people.[1][2] The Shah surname is commonly adopted by the trade communities (The Banias/Vanias) which include the Jains and the Vaishnavas. It is used in Gujarat, Rajasthan while The word Sahu is used in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar (see Sahu Jain) and was widely used by the Jains even in Delhi/Haryana (see Nattal Sahu), Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, India.

The Hindi word 'Sāhükārä', meaning banker, is derived from Sahu (Sanskrit "Sadhu") and kar (Sanskrit for doer).[3]

Shah, a similar sounding last name, derived from the Persian word "Shah", is a surname found among the Iranian peoples of Central Asia, Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan who might have amalgamated with Indians during medieval times. Some muslims converted to Hinduism in Indian state of Gujarat and Pakistani Province of Sindh,but adopted their old Muslim surname. [4]

The word 'Shah' may also have been derived from Sanskrit Sadhu (meaning saint[citation needed]) and Prakrit Sahu, while the actual spelling "Shah" in Western culture was popularized by the title of the former Persian King. As a result, especially in Western culture, use of the spelling "Shah" has become far more pronounced than the other variants.[5] The word Sadhu/Sahu is also separately used to indicate a Jain monk. See Namokar Mantra. In a sense, it maybe said that the surnames "Shah" and "Sahu" are variants of one another which have evolved from the word "sah" over time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_(surname)

 

[Iqbal'sh]

I live in Kolkata and i know Telegraph and Jadavpur uni. Thats why i ignored it.

Why will hindu castes existing before muslims take a muslim surname. Lol.

It’s more probable that you ignored them because it does not fit with your agenda. Otherwise you have provided zero evidence, Wikipedia page aside and even that is less than conclusive. Far less believable than the Telegraph column.

As to why Hindus would take a Muslim surname, the wiki page you posted to support your argument gives you the reason why.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s more probable that you ignored them because it does not fit with your agenda. Otherwise you have provided zero evidence, Wikipedia page aside and even that is less than conclusive. Far less believable than the Telegraph column.

As to why Hindus would take a Muslim surname, the wiki page you posted to support your argument gives you the reason why.

I exactly know which newspaper is rabidly propogating propoganda.

There are various references given in that wikipedia article. Those references are far more believable than a islamist historian or a jadavpur professor.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It’s more probable that you ignored them because it does not fit with your agenda. Otherwise you have provided zero evidence, Wikipedia page aside and even that is less than conclusive. Far less believable than the Telegraph column.

As to why Hindus would take a Muslim surname, the wiki page you posted to support your argument gives you the reason why.

Joshila bhai winning the debate as always. the name "Muhammad" is not muslim as it predates the advent of Islam, but is the most common name among muslims, so it is wrong to assign religion to words. Whether Shah comes from the sanskrit sahu or persian shah is immaterial, as these are just languages, not religions. We Hindus are not against other languages or religions, we just want to clean our house of the signs and symbols of those who oppressed us. To support it, you don't need to be a hindu, you just need to be human.

 

[TM Riddle]

Irfan Habib sb is the only person I have taken a selfie with. He lives in his old haveli with antique stuff in every room and Mrs Habib who has aged gracefully looks like she was very pretty in her youth.

You are a sellout CC. I am surprised you didn't get a chance to have one with Romila Thapar ji as well.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are a sellout CC. I am surprised you didn't get a chance to have one with Romila Thapar ji as well.

It was just the soft corner due to my past when i was secular, tolerant and liberal. but even then i told my friend who accompanied me, that habib is like shukracharya, guru of the demons, but worthy of respect.

 

[TM Riddle]

It was just the soft corner due to my past when i was secular, tolerant and liberal. but even then i told my friend who accompanied me, that habib is like shukracharya, guru of the demons, but worthy of respect.

His father was better imo.