Hindu nationalists attack Catholic school in India

[Poseidon]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/madhya-pradesh-vhp-bajrang-dal-vandalise-school-alleging-conversions-of-8-students-101638816229414.html

Members of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Bajrang Dal on Monday vandalised a missionary school in Ganjbasoda area of Vidisha following a video showing a prayer meeting being held and news of alleged conversion of eight children in the school went viral on social media, the police said.

Police registered a case against four identified VHP members and 50 unidentified members of Bajrang Dal under section 147 (rioting), 148 (rioting armed with a deadly weapon) and 427 (causing damage to the amount more than ₹50) of Indian Penal Code, said BB Sharma, sub-divisional officer of police (SDOP), Ganjbasoda, Vidisha. Four identified persons have been detained by the police.

The SDOP said, “The members of the different organisations, including VHP and Bajrang Dal, had announced to hold a protest against an alleged conversion of eight children at St Joseph School. On Monday, people handed over a memorandum to sub-divisional magistrate (SDM) and later, the mob turned violent and pelted the school premises with stones.”

VHP regional president Rajesh Tiwari said, “The members of VHP and Bajrang Dal were holding peaceful protest but anti-social elements joined in and created ruckus.”

The Saint Joseph church denied all allegations. “This fake news was spread by some Youtube channel. The news of holy communion of eight Catholic children was circulated as the conversion of Hindu children.”

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hindutva goons on the rampage today at St Joseph's school in Ganjbasoda, Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh. <a href="https://t.co/N88Rm4zhPT">pic.twitter.com/N88Rm4zhPT</a></p>— Anand Kochukudy (@AnandKochukudy) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnandKochukudy/status/1467830245340299265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The USCIRF has taken the so called notice.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">USCIRF Chair <a href="https://twitter.com/nadinemaenza?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nadinemaenza</a "...Even in India, the world’s largest democracy, freedom of religion is increasingly at risk. India’s trajectory is deeply alarming in a diverse, secular, and democratic country whose constitution protects religious freedom." <a href="https://t.co/EgvXYZJOY4">https://t.co/EgvXYZJOY4</a></p>— USCIRF (@USCIRF) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCIRF/status/1468235028651986944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">USCIRF Chair <a href="https://twitter.com/nadinemaenza?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nadinemaenza</a "USCIRF is deeply concerned that the Indian govt continues to promote & implement policies at the national & state level that impact religious freedom for members of India’s Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Dalit, & Adivasi communities."<a href="https://t.co/EgvXYZJOY4">https://t.co/EgvXYZJOY4</a></p>— USCIRF (@USCIRF) <a href="https://twitter.com/USCIRF/status/1468235287054671876?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Varun]

BIMARU gonna BIMARU.

 

[street cricketer]

Why are they being called "nationalists"?

Shouldn't goons or rowdies be the better word..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I bet the Christians deserved it, or started it, or there is a similar incident where Hindus were the victims, or these werent christians and its not a religious issue but they are bangladeshi migrants and thus its ok but anyway why can anyone please post the % christian population in Pakistan year by year?

 

[cricketjoshila]

BHOPAL: Day after a Christian Missionary school St Joseph School was allegedly attacked and vandalized by right-wing Hindu outfits activists and local residents in Ganj Basoda town of Madhya Pradesh, the Christian community religious leaders raised the issue with state's home minister Narottam Mishra in Bhopal on Tuesday.

"As Indians, we take pride in our country's unique culture of unity in diversity. In the 75th year of the country's independence, when we are celebrating Azadi ka Amrut Mahotsava, some institutions of our community have come under attack by anti-social elements. This pains us and makes our people feel insecure and unsafe. We raised the issue with the state's home minister Narottam Mishra on Tuesday and the minister has assured us appropriate action in the matter," AAS Durairaj, the Archbishop of Bhopal Archdiocese said on Tuesday.

The state's home minister, meanwhile, said on Tuesday, that case of rioting has been lodged by police against the perpetrators of Sunday's incident and four persons have been detained by police in Ganj Basoda town of Vidisha district.

He, however, added that as directed by the CM Shivraj Singh Chouhan, the foreign-funded NGOs which are indulging in religious conversion, are being identified and action will be initiated against them.

On Sunday, right-wing Hindu outfits activists and local residents had barged into the St Joseph School in Ganj Basoda town (110 km from Bhopal) and pelted stones and vandalized property in the school premises, alleging religious conversion of eight poor Hindu children by the school.

The attack at the school by the violent mob happened when Class XII students were taking their Mathematics exam inside. The students had a narrow escape in the attack as they were shifted on time to another part of the school.

The school administration, however, has denied all allegations of having religiously converted eight children.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...e-issue-with-states-home-minister-2392881.amp

 

[Poseidon]

more thn 300 people attacked the school and they only detained 4 people ?

 

[nextover666666]

Disgusting by Hindu nationalist, But again not surprised, just another day in India it seems.

 

[Justcrazy]

VHP and RSS, both are terrorist organisations and should have been baned a long time back. Trust me this will not stop here , this will continue.

 

[Technics 1210]

With Christmas round the corner expect more in ‘incredible’ India.

There’s a reason why the majority of Indian defenders fled India and defend from international waters.

 

[Lego20]

On Sunday, right-wing Hindu outfits activists and local residents had barged into the St Joseph School in Ganj Basoda town (110 km from Bhopal) and pelted stones and vandalized property in the school premises, alleging religious conversion of eight poor Hindu children by the school.

The mob needs to be booked for taking law into their hands. The allegations need to be investigated thoroughly - have heard of this innumerable times now, almost believable at face value.

 

[IMMY69]

I bet the Christians deserved it, or started it, or there is a similar incident where Hindus were the victims, or these werent christians and its not a religious issue but they are bangladeshi migrants and thus its ok but anyway why can anyone please post the % christian population in Pakistan year by year?

What happens in India is none of your business

 

[sweep_shot]

I am not surprised at this news.

Minorities are always in danger when it comes to BJP people.

 

[offstump]

Terrible scenes from India. I hope the Modi government and our Indian brethren are doing whatever they can to prevent these types of attacks on minorities!!

 

[JaDed]

Arent most Catholic schools in India filled with non christians ?

VHP and Bajrang dal are defn dumbest of the lot.

 

[Giannis]

As cricketjoshila often says - "Their country, their rules"

 

[MenInG]

I find it interesting that the same people who came over to announce the demise of Pakistan after Silakot mob are a little on the quiet side here!

 

[IMMY69]

I find it interesting that the same people who came over to announce the demise of Pakistan after Silakot mob are a little on the quiet side here!

whats that saying? Those that live in glass houses....

But I'm not surprised at all. Pretty much every Pakistani PP member expressed their horror on the lynching thread but here some our Indian brothers would rather think of excuses then to condemn it outright.
Proves all along that Afridi was right with his Big Heart comment.

 

[Major]

I find it interesting that the same people who came over to announce the demise of Pakistan after Silakot mob are a little on the quiet side here!

Because if someone comitted apostasy in Pakistan and public found out, the reaction would be same.

No point for us to bash India and the BJP when we are no different. Better for each country to concentrate on their own internal matters.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Because if someone comitted apostasy in Pakistan and public found out, the reaction would be same.

No point for us to bash India and the BJP when we are no different. Better for each country to concentrate on their own internal matters.

But we are different. People unanimously raised voice in Sialkot, the traders' union will support victim's family. The PM pledged etc. But then again, you already know all that.

I know you wish we were same as them, but we are not.

 

[IMMY69]

Because if someone comitted apostasy in Pakistan and public found out, the reaction would be same.

No point for us to bash India and the BJP when we are no different. Better for each country to concentrate on their own internal matters.

But we're not talking about uneducated and brainwashed people, although sometimes when I read some of the posts it does make me wonder.

The point is some people here of a certain background will show their horror at such actions and even comment on something that did not occur in their country. On the other hand those same people will steer clear if the same thing happened in their country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I bet the Christians deserved it, or started it, or there is a similar incident where Hindus were the victims, or these werent christians and its not a religious issue but they are bangladeshi migrants and thus its ok but anyway why can anyone please post the % christian population in Pakistan year by year?

Don't think we'll hear much about the Christians starting anything in too much of a hurry, that would upset some important Christian nations who have good relations with India. The issue will just be allowed to die a slow death, then brushed under the carpet.

 

[Major]

But we are different. People unanimously raised voice in Sialkot, the traders' union will support victim's family. The PM pledged etc. But then again, you already know all that.

I know you wish we were same as them, but we are not.

sorry but we are not any different. This is something both Indian and Pakistans think about themselves. Infact, even when students of both nations learn their history they are told they are right and the others were wrong.

Raising voice meanings nothing when in that lynching 200 participated and only 2-3 people tried to stop. Thats what 200 against 3. People say dont generalize but that is an enough sample size. You can go to Urban areas and you will get maybe 100 against 5 maybe.

The trader union, PM etc have to do those pledges because of the economic market of sialkot got affected. It deals with foreign clientale. No meaningful changes would ever be done to curtain the blasphemy vigilante that takes place. 2-3 years down the line there will be another lyching.

India has its own cow vigilantism and love jihad issues. Again over there you will find people who condemn this aswell.

 

[Major]

But we're not talking about uneducated and brainwashed people, although sometimes when I read some of the posts it does make me wonder.

The point is some people here of a certain background will show their horror at such actions and even comment on something that did not occur in their country. On the other hand those same people will steer clear if the same thing happened in their country.

Than we are just scoring brownie points against each other.

Be it India or Pakistan, the situation for minorities is worst in both countries. Even if 1 member of the minority community is killed because of his faith or in the name of religion, that shows the situation is bad. You cant compare numbers here.

 

[MenInG]

Because if someone comitted apostasy in Pakistan and public found out, the reaction would be same.

No point for us to bash India and the BJP when we are no different. Better for each country to concentrate on their own internal matters.

No

Every action against another minority needs to be condemned in equal terms - this is not a country issue.

 

[IMMY69]

Than we are just scoring brownie points against each other.

Be it India or Pakistan, the situation for minorities is worst in both countries. Even if 1 member of the minority community is killed because of his faith or in the name of religion, that shows the situation is bad. You cant compare numbers here.

No what we are doing is ascertaining the nature of some of the posters.
What happened in Sailkot was barbaric. Some of these posters were on that thread to highlight this but are absent on his thread or just making excuses for it.

It's important because it tells you what you need to know about actually people and their hypocrisy and sadly also tells you that, going by what we read here on PP, that peace between the two countries is a long way away if at all possible.

 

[MP2011]

but here some our Indian brothers would rather think of excuses then to condemn it outright.

The most usual suspect on this thread is back with justifiying even this ghastly crime!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No what we are doing is ascertaining the nature of some of the posters.
What happened in Sailkot was barbaric. Some of these posters were on that thread to highlight this but are absent on his thread or just making excuses for it.

It's important because it tells you what you need to know about actually people and their hypocrisy and sadly also tells you that, going by what we read here on PP, that peace between the two countries is a long way away if at all possible.

Precisely. Unfortunately, while we have posters who are more interested in pushing great PR for their incredible country, we are never going to get beyond scoring brownie points.

 

[Major]

No what we are doing is ascertaining the nature of some of the posters.
What happened in Sailkot was barbaric. Some of these posters were on that thread to highlight this but are absent on his thread or just making excuses for it.

It's important because it tells you what you need to know about actually people and their hypocrisy and sadly also tells you that, going by what we read here on PP, that peace between the two countries is a long way away if at all possible.

But do posters really care here? Or is it just brownie points?

Because when it comes to Ughyrs, we the Pakistanis who pretend to be the voice of Muslims tend to stay quiet.

We or India dont really about minorities, we like to pretend so. Peace is possible, we just have to learn to overlook like we do with China on Ughyrs

 

[James]

Better for each country to concentrate on their own internal matters.

Might as well declare the End Of The Internet in that case then !

 

[MP2011]

VHP and Bajrang dal are defn dumbest of the lot.

They are anything but dumb.

 

[LaLoco]

But do posters really care here? Or is it just brownie points?

Because when it comes to Ughyrs, we the Pakistanis who pretend to be the voice of Muslims tend to stay quiet.

We or India dont really about minorities, we like to pretend so. Peace is possible, we just have to learn to overlook like we do with China on Ughyrs

Not really, at the government level it is true but at a personal level, most of the Muslims are loud, even Pakistanis, at least in the west.

It has also to do with another factor, the western government's hypocrisy, they are loud when it comes to China, even that is carefully worded out of fear of to not severely offend China, but remain quiet when it comes to Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and killing of innocent Muslims by themselves.

And, this particular point about Pakistanis at the personal level not being as vocal about China has multiple factors, intentional hypocrisy isn't, ignorant hypocrisy could be, which is understandable but this point highlighted to divert the attention from atrocities committed against Muslims by non-Muslims, particularly Indians regarding violence against local Kashmiri Muslims in Indian occupied Kashmir.

 

[JaDed]

They are anything but dumb.

True ,I see what they are deviously planning.

 

[MP2011]

True ,I see what they are deviously planning.

Not just planning, they have been executing their devious plans to perfection now that they have complete free hand from the very top.

 

[Major]

No

Every action against another minority needs to be condemned in equal terms - this is not a country issue.

nope.

Only actions by our enemy countries or against we like scoring brownie points are to be condemned. Vice Versa from India's side aswell.

If we were really that bothered about minorities and that too muslims, we would have been talking about Uyghurs, but we dont, because economic benefits are greater than minority rights.

 

[Major]

Not really, at the government level it is true but at a personal level, most of the Muslims are loud, even Pakistanis, at least in the west.

It has also to do with another factor, the western government's hypocrisy, they are loud when it comes to China, even that is carefully worded out of fear of to not severely offend China, but remain quiet when it comes to Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and killing of innocent Muslims by themselves.

And, this particular point about Pakistanis at the personal level not being as vocal about China has multiple factors, intentional hypocrisy isn't, ignorant hypocrisy could be, which is understandable but this point highlighted to divert the attention from atrocities committed against Muslims by non-Muslims, particularly Indians regarding violence against local Kashmiri Muslims in Indian occupied Kashmir.

its funny how you call it a western hypocrisy but Pakistan is no different. We all like to bash the west but still want to live their for economic prosperity.

Economic prosperity will always be greater than the rights of any minority, whether you are Pakistan or India. It has got nothing to do with West and we have no right to critisize West when we are going the same thing in CPEC.

Its time we stop pretending that we actually gave a damn about minorities of other countries and fixed our own minority issues.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

But we are different. People unanimously raised voice in Sialkot, the traders' union will support victim's family. The PM pledged etc. But then again, you already know all that.

I know you wish we were same as them, but we are not.

No point raising voices after the damage has been done.

Who has got the guts to say stop discrimination of minorities via the blasphemy law?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

its funny how you call it a western hypocrisy but Pakistan is no different. We all like to bash the west but still want to live their for economic prosperity.

Economic prosperity will always be greater than the rights of any minority, whether you are Pakistan or India. It has got nothing to do with West and we have no right to critisize West when we are going the same thing in CPEC.

Its time we stop pretending that we actually gave a damn about minorities of other countries and fixed our own minority issues.

That should apply to everyone, western, eastern, Pakistani, Indian etc. But in reality who does that? Every country is poking their nose into other nations business, using PR, propaganda, spying, fighting, spreading misinformation to take advantage of others somehow.

 

[LaLoco]

its funny how you call it a western hypocrisy but Pakistan is no different. We all like to bash the west but still want to live their for economic prosperity.

Economic prosperity will always be greater than the rights of any minority, whether you are Pakistan or India. It has got nothing to do with West and we have no right to criticize West when we are going the same thing in CPEC.

Its time we stop pretending that we actually gave a damn about minorities of other countries and fixed our own minority issues.

LOL, you are stuck with the same repeated rinsed comments when I clearly mentioned Hypocrisy of both western and Pakistani.

Then this comment, "want to live in west for their economy", is redundant, out of date, old, and not worth to even respond to it, it is a feel good, can't counter other point so insert this comment, kind of comment. Being vocal against atrocities, corruption, justice is what matter in 2021 then being in geographical location in the age of the internet and ease of connection.


This is what I wrote

" It has also to do with another factor, the western government's hypocrisy, they are loud when it comes to China, even that is carefully worded out of fear of to not severely offend China, but remain quiet when it comes to Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and killing of innocent Muslims by themselves.

And, this particular point about Pakistanis at the personal level not being as vocal about China has multiple factors, intentional hypocrisy isn't, ignorant hypocrisy could be, which is understandable but this point highlighted to divert the attention from atrocities committed against Muslims by non-Muslims, particularly Indians regarding violence against local Kashmiri Muslims in Indian occupied Kashmir.


and you ignored it.

and this another waste of time excuse, " why did you highlight the issue of minority in other countries when Pakistan has minorities issues"? Did I support atrocities against minorities in Pakistan in attempt to highlight International minority issues?

Why can one highlight the both? lol

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

No point raising voices after the damage has been done.

Who has got the guts to say stop discrimination of minorities via the blasphemy law?

The change has to start from somewhere. One of the basis of any law is the public opinion / custom. So, "raising voice" is not as pointless as it seems.

 

[JaDed]

That should apply to everyone, western, eastern, Pakistani, Indian etc. But in reality who does that? Every country is poking their nose into other nations business, using PR, propaganda, spying, fighting, spreading misinformation to take advantage of others somehow.

The very reason why it holds more value from
western nations is because currently they defn treat their minorities better , getting justice often compared to Asian countries, it’s not even a competition.

Only historically have the western nations been much more brutal but defn not currently..

Ilhana Omar just got the Islamophonia bill passed in one of the houses (Inspite of American Muslims actually being able to get justice from law).

It gives much more credibility to Western nations when they call our China now.

 

[PakLFC]

Daily news now seeing Hindu terrorists attacking non Hindu places of worship. No one is gonna be punished or anything until the next incident happens. At least IK awarded and recognised Malik Adnan with Tamgha i Shujaat the man who tried to stop the murder of Priyantha Diyawadanage. In Hindu majority India fascists are backed by the BJP/RSS government. Never once have I heard any BJP politician condemn the murder of innocent non Hindu's.

 

[Poseidon]

NY Times Front Page: Persecution of Indian Christians

Arrests, Beatings and Secret Prayers: Inside the Persecution of India’s Christians

“They want to remove us from society,” a Christian farmer said of Hindu extremists. Rising attacks on Christians are part of a broader shift in India, in which minorities feel less safe.


INDORE, India — The Christians were mid-hymn when the mob kicked in the door.

A swarm of men dressed in saffron poured inside. They jumped onstage and shouted Hindu supremacist slogans. They punched pastors in the head. They threw women to the ground, sending terrified children scuttling under their chairs.

“They kept beating us, pulling out hair,” said Manish David, one of the pastors who was assaulted. “They yelled: ‘What are you doing here? What songs are you singing? What are you trying to do?’”

The attack unfolded on the morning of Jan. 26 at the Satprakashan Sanchar Kendra Christian center in the city of Indore. The police soon arrived, but the officers did not touch the aggressors. Instead, they arrested and jailed the pastors and other church elders, who were still dizzy from getting punched in the head. The Christians were charged with breaking a newly enforced law that targets religious conversions, one that mirrors at least a dozen other measures across the country that have prompted a surge in mob violence against Indian Christians.

Pastor David was not converting anyone, he said. But the organized assault against his church was propelled by a growing anti-Christian hysteria that is spreading across this vast nation, home to one of Asia’s oldest and largest Christian communities, with more than 30 million adherents.


Anti-Christian vigilantes are sweeping through villages, storming churches, burning Christian literature, attacking schools and assaulting worshipers. In many cases, the police and members of India’s governing party are helping them, government documents and dozens of interviews revealed. In church after church, the very act of worship has become dangerous despite constitutional protections for freedom of religion.

...

To many Hindu extremists, the attacks are justified — a means of preventing religious conversions. To them, the possibility that some Indians, even a relatively small number, would reject Hinduism for Christianity is a threat to their dream of turning India into a pure Hindu nation. Many Christians have become so frightened that they try to pass as Hindu to protect themselves.

This is gracing the front page of the NY Times right now as a large article and that too in the Christmas season.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/world/asia/india-christians-attacked.html

 

[pillionrider]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hindutva groups disrupt Christmas celebration at a school in Mandya district. They allege students are being converted to Christianity, ask school to put up posters of Hindu, Muslim gods. Police say there's no case registered, the Hindutva group was warned for this disruption. <a href="https://t.co/3FfKEACEOD">pic.twitter.com/3FfKEACEOD</a></p>— Prajwal (@prajwalmanipal) <a href="https://twitter.com/prajwalmanipal/status/1474655549610364928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If you understand Kannada, the tone of these loafers is arrogant, mocking and terribly rude to older women who've dedicated their lives to serve others. The content is basically - you can't have pictures of your Christian gods here, put Hindu gods here.

India is a second-class country with an increasingly third-class mentality. We would have remained a third-class country if it were not for the education and healthcare provided by Christian institutions. Hindus might feel smug that they now have other options, but even today, some of the best and more importantly, affordable education is provided in Christian schools and colleges where millions of Hindus have studied. Large swathes of India where successive governments have failed to provide basic educational facilities have been covered by these Christian groups. Terrorizing them now is the worst type of ingrate behaviour and reflective of the third-class leaders helming the BJP today.

I studied in Christian and Catholic schools where the huge majority of students were Hindus. We had a neutral prayer during assembly which had Christian roots but was neutral in its wording. For a long time, Christian institutions were associated with the highest quality of service to the point where - there's this school near where I live called St Thomas School run by a Hindu. He named it because parents tended to prefer to put their kids in a Christian school

On the flipside, many institutes run by Hindus have Hindu gods and cultural motifs decorating the place. Had been to an engineering college in Bengaluru where my cousin studies and there is a massive temple within the campus

I think it's time Christian countries start cutting off the money off frauds like Ravishankar and Jaggi Vasudev. Stop attempts to convert into Hindu ways in these countries, cut off their money and they'll all fall into line.

These idiots need to understand one simple thing - when you start arguing with another person on the basis of religion, you're arguing from a position of inferiority, not superiority. Let that sink in, before you start flaunting your chota dadagiri

 

[Major]

India freezes Mother Teresa charity accounts. Statue of Jesus vandalized, Christmas disrupted

NEW DELHI: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government on Monday froze the bank accounts of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity (MoC) in West Bengal, the state’s political leader said on Monday, after weekend protests over Christmas celebrations.

Hindu vigilante groups disrupted Christmas mass in parts of India, including in Modi’s core territory ahead of local elections in the coming months.

Hardline Hindu outfits affiliated to Modi’s party have repeatedly accused the MoC of leading religious conversion programmes under the guise of charity by offering poor Hindus and tribal communities money, free education and shelter.

Hindu groups vandalise statue of Jesus Christ in Haryana, disrupt Christmas celebrations in UP and Assam

“Shocked to hear that (at) Christmas, Union Ministry FROZE ALL BANK ACCOUNTS of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity in India!” Mamata Banerjee, the state’s chief minister, wrote in a tweet.


“Their 22,000 patients & employees have been left without food & medicines. While the law is paramount, humanitarian efforts must not be compromised,” Banerjee, an opposition leader and vocal critic of the Modi government, said.

Nobel-laureate Mother Teresa, a Roman Catholic nun who died in 1997, founded the Missionaries of Charity in 1950.

Head-quartered in the eastern state of West Bengal, the MoC has more than 3,000 nuns worldwide who run hospices, community kitchens, schools, leper colonies and homes for abandoned children.

Officials at MoC were not immediately available for comment, while the federal home ministry said the government will issue a statement once an initial inquiry is completed.

“I urge the press to not mix financial irregularities of a charity group with religious sentiments...the decision to freeze accounts has nothing to do with Christianity,” an official said, requesting anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

Vicar General Dominic Gomes of the Archdiocese of Calcutta said the freeze of the West Bengal accounts was “a cruel Christmas gift to the poorest of the poor”.

Since Modi came to power in 2014, right-wing Hindu groups have consolidated their position across states and launched small-scale attacks on religious minorities, saying their action is to prevent religious conversions.

Christians and other critics say the justification of preventing conversions is false and note Christians represent only 2.3pc of India’s 1.37 billion people, while Hindus are the overwhelming majority.

The Hindu newspaper on Monday reported disruption of Christmas celebrations at the weekend and last week, including the vandalising of a life-size statue of Jesus Christ at Ambala in Haryana, a northern state governed by Modi’s nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

It also reported activists burnt a model of Santa Claus and chanted slogans against Christmas celebrations and religious conversions on Saturday outside a church in Varanasi, Modi’s parliamentary constituency and Hinduism’s holiest city.

Anoop Shramik, a social activist in Varanasi, said he saw about two dozen people burning the Santa Claus.—Reuters

On Saturday, Christmas celebrations were also disrupted in Silchar, eastern Assam, after men, claiming to be members of Bajrang Dal — a right-wing group with close ties to BJP, forced their way into a church, NDTV, a local news channel reported.Several Indian states have passed or are considering anti-conversion laws that challenge freedom of belief and related rights that the Indian constitution guarantees to minorities. Elias Vaz, national vice-president of the All India Catholic Union, condemned the latest incidents.

“The strength of India is in its diversity and the people who have done this at Christmas are the real anti-nationals,” Vaz said.

Published in Dawn, December 28th, 2021

 

[finalfantasy7]

NEW DELHI: Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government on Monday froze the bank accounts of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity (MoC) in West Bengal, the state’s political leader said on Monday, after weekend protests over Christmas celebrations.

Hindu vigilante groups disrupted Christmas mass in parts of India, including in Modi’s core territory ahead of local elections in the coming months.

Hardline Hindu outfits affiliated to Modi’s party have repeatedly accused the MoC of leading religious conversion programmes under the guise of charity by offering poor Hindus and tribal communities money, free education and shelter.

Hindu groups vandalise statue of Jesus Christ in Haryana, disrupt Christmas celebrations in UP and Assam

“Shocked to hear that (at) Christmas, Union Ministry FROZE ALL BANK ACCOUNTS of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity in India!” Mamata Banerjee, the state’s chief minister, wrote in a tweet.


“Their 22,000 patients & employees have been left without food & medicines. While the law is paramount, humanitarian efforts must not be compromised,” Banerjee, an opposition leader and vocal critic of the Modi government, said.

Nobel-laureate Mother Teresa, a Roman Catholic nun who died in 1997, founded the Missionaries of Charity in 1950.

Head-quartered in the eastern state of West Bengal, the MoC has more than 3,000 nuns worldwide who run hospices, community kitchens, schools, leper colonies and homes for abandoned children.

Officials at MoC were not immediately available for comment, while the federal home ministry said the government will issue a statement once an initial inquiry is completed.

“I urge the press to not mix financial irregularities of a charity group with religious sentiments...the decision to freeze accounts has nothing to do with Christianity,” an official said, requesting anonymity as he is not authorised to speak to the media.

Vicar General Dominic Gomes of the Archdiocese of Calcutta said the freeze of the West Bengal accounts was “a cruel Christmas gift to the poorest of the poor”.

Since Modi came to power in 2014, right-wing Hindu groups have consolidated their position across states and launched small-scale attacks on religious minorities, saying their action is to prevent religious conversions.

Christians and other critics say the justification of preventing conversions is false and note Christians represent only 2.3pc of India’s 1.37 billion people, while Hindus are the overwhelming majority.

The Hindu newspaper on Monday reported disruption of Christmas celebrations at the weekend and last week, including the vandalising of a life-size statue of Jesus Christ at Ambala in Haryana, a northern state governed by Modi’s nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

It also reported activists burnt a model of Santa Claus and chanted slogans against Christmas celebrations and religious conversions on Saturday outside a church in Varanasi, Modi’s parliamentary constituency and Hinduism’s holiest city.

Anoop Shramik, a social activist in Varanasi, said he saw about two dozen people burning the Santa Claus.—Reuters

On Saturday, Christmas celebrations were also disrupted in Silchar, eastern Assam, after men, claiming to be members of Bajrang Dal — a right-wing group with close ties to BJP, forced their way into a church, NDTV, a local news channel reported.Several Indian states have passed or are considering anti-conversion laws that challenge freedom of belief and related rights that the Indian constitution guarantees to minorities. Elias Vaz, national vice-president of the All India Catholic Union, condemned the latest incidents.

“The strength of India is in its diversity and the people who have done this at Christmas are the real anti-nationals,” Vaz said.

Published in Dawn, December 28th, 2021

just read about this,

appalling, this charity around 60yrs old I believe in India.

 

[Romali_rotti]

People of abhrahamic faiths need to act more cautiously in India. If you keep playing with fire with this religious conversion you are going to get burnt.... Having said that it is pathetic to attack the religious minorities, those who are already part of the abhrahamic faiths should be left to practice their religion with out fear of prosecution...

 

[RexRex]

People of abhrahamic faiths need to act more cautiously in India. If you keep playing with fire with this religious conversion you are going to get burnt....

^ what a response to a christian shool being vandalised.

One thing Modi has done well is how he's managed to get indians to hate on their fellow indians and not keep their prejudices hidden anymore. This poster above is an example.
Trump did something similiar with the rural white population in middle america during his presidency.

 

[Major]

People of abhrahamic faiths need to act more cautiously in India. If you keep playing with fire with this religious conversion you are going to get burnt.... Having said that it is pathetic to attack the religious minorities, those who are already part of the abhrahamic faiths should be left to practice their religion with out fear of prosecution...

Pathetic statement. That to coming from someone that lives in australia.

If someone was to say indians should behave cautiously in australia or else they should face attacks the likes of him will cry about racism. But they themselves seem to be blind how they support discrimination.

I bet the likes of thia poster wont habe any issue converting to hinduism... But if someone converts to another religion than they threaten about others getting burned

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pathetic statement. That to coming from someone that lives in australia.

If someone was to say indians should behave cautiously in australia or else they should face attacks the likes of him will cry about racism. But they themselves seem to be blind how they support discrimination.

I bet the likes of thia poster wont habe any issue converting to hinduism... But if someone converts to another religion than they threaten about others getting burned

Ok then ppl of abhrahamic faiths should not act cautiously and do what they want.

Hope that fixes the problem.

 

[pillionrider]

People of abhrahamic faiths need to act more cautiously in India. If you keep playing with fire with this religious conversion you are going to get burnt....

Hindus in western countries need to act more cautiously and stop propagating their religion. Shut down all their ashrams, ISKCON centres, Jaggi kendras... Practice the cool sounding Sanatana Dharma within the confines of their homes and stop trying to convert Westerners to the Hindu ways

 

[Bewal Express]

We need our own Srivastava group to get these stories in the media around the World. Modi is a thug and is getting away with murder.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Ok then ppl of abhrahamic faiths should not act cautiously and do what they want.

Hope that fixes the problem.

dear lord, are you a child, you know what fixes the problem, people who behave like the above shouldn't behave like this, thr is no valid reason, however why is thr a huge problem with Hindus demanding that everyone should be a Hindu only - especially in the world biggest so called democracy

 

[Romali_rotti]

dear lord, are you a child, you know what fixes the problem, people who behave like the above shouldn't behave like this, thr is no valid reason, however why is thr a huge problem with Hindus demanding that everyone should be a Hindu only - especially in the world biggest so called democracy

Oh lord seems like another model citizen Pakistani on his high moral horse..

India can be a religiously non tolerant dangerous country and ppl need to act accordingly.

This has nothing to do with what should be allowed to happen or not, it's about not ending up in a bodybag for the sake of converting a few ppl...

The whole Graeme Stains incident was so tragic, he was a good man and didn't deserve what happened to him, so ppl need to be careful.

Try and understand the post before jumping off the cliff

 

[Major]

Oh lord seems like another model citizen Pakistani on his high moral horse..

India can be a religiously non tolerant dangerous country and ppl need to act accordingly.

This has nothing to do with what should be allowed to happen or not, it's about not ending up in a bodybag for the sake of converting a few ppl...

The whole Graeme Stains incident was so tragic, he was a good man and didn't deserve what happened to him, so ppl need to be careful.

Try and understand the post before jumping off the cliff

No ppl dont need to act accordingly, the govt and the state needs to act accordingly

You again placing the fault on the christian groups rather blame the hindutva vigilantes or the govt.

This is like saying the female got raped due to her dressin, thats how flawed your argument is.

At the end of the day, indian constitutionally says it is a secular country, thus, it is the govt job to protect these groups

 

[finalfantasy7]

Oh lord seems like another model citizen Pakistani on his high moral horse..

India can be a religiously non tolerant dangerous country and ppl need to act accordingly.

This has nothing to do with what should be allowed to happen or not, it's about not ending up in a bodybag for the sake of converting a few ppl...

The whole Graeme Stains incident was so tragic, he was a good man and didn't deserve what happened to him, so ppl need to be careful.

Try and understand the post before jumping off the cliff

1- I'm a British citizen - born and bred - so your wrong

2- India can be a religiously non tolerant dangerous country and people need to act accordingly. You've made no sense - we talking about the situation which has occurred yet again - from a well known far right group which is expanding - inside a so called democracy which allows minorities the same laws /freedoms as every individually in he country - which then again can be cancelled out by the state laws and then people like yourself.

3 - Conversions are now illegal and its up to the person decision to be converted to another religion or come out of all religious totally, body bags only occur with people who cant handle someone else is decision, I've met plenty of Muslims in the UK who have rejected Islam and have converted to Christianity - I've never treated them badly / nor it bothers me / I actually still play cricket with one guy who's done so.

4 - Your comment on Graeme smith incident - yet again you stated that the people need to be carful - they don't - they can covert how many people they like

5 - I haven't jumped off any cliff - its you who has a problem with other religions

 

[Romali_rotti]

No ppl dont need to act accordingly, the govt and the state needs to act accordingly

You again placing the fault on the christian groups rather blame the hindutva vigilantes or the govt.

This is like saying the female got raped due to her dressin, thats how flawed your argument is.

At the end of the day, indian constitutionally says it is a secular country, thus, it is the govt job to protect these groups

Ok Ppl don't need to act accordingly, You are right.

Such an enlightening post you have going here.. Where was the justice when the Congress government were massacring the Sikhs in the 80s ?

Where was the Government when the Christian teacher's arm was cut off by Muslims in Kerala for talking about Prophet Muhammad ?

India is what it is, you cannot control a billion ppl, religious incidents and persecutions will happen no matter what, some will get justice, most wont and if people wont act accordingly well they may end up in a body bag.. Not worth it to get a few more numbers into your religion....

 

[Major]

Ok Ppl don't need to act accordingly, You are right.

Such an enlightening post you have going here.. Where was the justice when the Congress government were massacring the Sikhs in the 80s ?

Where was the Government when the Christian teacher's arm was cut off by Muslims in Kerala for talking about Prophet Muhammad ?

India is what it is, you cannot control a billion ppl, religious incidents and persecutions will happen no matter what, some will get justice, most wont and if people wont act accordingly well they may end up in a body bag.. Not worth it to get a few more numbers into your religion....

so you accept that India is only secular on paper and in reality it is no where near secularism and minorities will always be under threat as by your own post the govt and the state has failed to implement law and order in these cases?

 

[Romali_rotti]

so you accept that India is only secular on paper and in reality it is no where near secularism and minorities will always be under threat as by your own post the govt and the state has failed to implement law and order in these cases?

Well India is secular, as in all religions can practice their faith freely, in principle.

However in reality there are major issues and there will be plenty of religious persecutions and unfair treatment.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Ok Ppl don't need to act accordingly, You are right.

Such an enlightening post you have going here.. Where was the justice when the Congress government were massacring the Sikhs in the 80s ?

Where was the Government when the Christian teacher's arm was cut off by Muslims in Kerala for talking about Prophet Muhammad ?

India is what it is, you cannot control a billion ppl, religious incidents and persecutions will happen no matter what, some will get justice, most wont and if people wont act accordingly well they may end up in a body bag.. Not worth it to get a few more numbers into your religion....

all above accounts show you what's wrong with India, law must be implemented and that's the government / states job to do when the above situations occur - we don't want to live in a violent and lawless society

 

[Romali_rotti]

all above accounts show you what's wrong with India, law must be implemented and that's the government / states job to do when the above situations occur - we don't want to live in a violent and lawless society

Awwww, that's so nice to hear.

But

Reality doesn't work that way in the 3rd world...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The very reason why it holds more value from
western nations is because currently they defn treat their minorities better , getting justice often compared to Asian countries, it’s not even a competition.

Only historically have the western nations been much more brutal but defn not currently..

Ilhana Omar just got the Islamophonia bill passed in one of the houses (Inspite of American Muslims actually being able to get justice from law).

It gives much more credibility to Western nations when they call our China now.

Yes, western countries have reached a higher level of acceptance of minorities down the centuries, is there anything India could learn from them in this regard? Interestingly most western countries of the modern era follow Christian values, quite topical for this thread.

 

[RexRex]

Interestingly most western countries of the modern era follow Christian values, quite topical for this thread.

Is it something instrinsic in Christianity that makes their followers treat minorities better than adherents of Hinduism and Islam?

 

[finalfantasy7]

Awwww, that's so nice to hear.

But

Reality doesn't work that way in the 3rd world...

When this occurs which occurs even in the first world countries - law must apply

 

[Bewal Express]

Is it something instrinsic in Christianity that makes their followers treat minorities better than adherents of Hinduism and Islam?

I think education has played a big part in recent times- in the byegone age, they were just as violent, if not more so. This hatred ultimately ended up as the holocaust of Jews

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is it something instrinsic in Christianity that makes their followers treat minorities better than adherents of Hinduism and Islam?

Abrahamic values would be my assessment.

 

[street cricketer]

People of abhrahamic faiths need to act more cautiously in India. If you keep playing with fire with this religious conversion you are going to get burnt.... Having said that it is pathetic to attack the religious minorities, those who are already part of the abhrahamic faiths should be left to practice their religion with out fear of prosecution...

My memory might be failing me, but didn't you say you were a malayali Christian here buddy?

 

[street cricketer]

And, this particular point about Pakistanis at the personal level not being as vocal about China has multiple factors, intentional hypocrisy isn't, ignorant hypocrisy could be, which is understandable but this point highlighted to divert the attention from atrocities committed against Muslims by non-Muslims, particularly Indians regarding violence against local Kashmiri Muslims in Indian occupied Kashmir.

His point is not about China only though. 98% of Pakistanis I have come across online are far more vocal about the plight of Indian muslims in India or Palestinian muslims in Israel/Palestine than their fellow hindu and christian citizens in their own country. In my 7-8 year duration as a member in this forum, I have come across maybe 3-5 Pakistani muslims with leftist views like [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] and perhaps some of the old timers (remember a poster name starting with DW or something). Being leftist does not mean you are an atheist, it just involves caring about the upliftment of the most oppressed communities in your country, be it muslims or Dalits or hindus or christians or whoever they maybe. Ironically, leftists and liberals are the most demonised group in both India and Pakistan, just because they care for minorities in their respective countries and call out majoritarian aggression.

If the justification is that 'it's not that Pakistanis don't care about minorities in their country, but they highlight the muslim persecution in India and Palestine more because they are more related culturally', then it's not much different to hindus in India caring for hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh more than the persecution happening against their fellow muslim citizens in their own country. The reality of the situation is that hindus and muslims look out for their own in other countries than people of other communities in their own country. Muslims and Hindus tend to have the most majoritarian views and that is reflected in the state of minorities in their respective countries. Christians, particularly in the west, do not have such a majoritarian mindset and therefore such countries are much better to live in as a minority than the hindu and muslim majority countries of the world.

 

[street cricketer]

Is it something instrinsic in Christianity that makes their followers treat minorities better than adherents of Hinduism and Islam?

It has nothing to do with Christianity itself, but purely because of the fact that Christians in the west tend to be the least religious and least majoritarian in mindset among all the major religious communities.

You'll find in the world that the most religious communities often tend to form the most religiously majoritarian states and consequently are the most intolerant to their minorities.

 

[pillionrider]

Is it something instrinsic in Christianity that makes their followers treat minorities better than adherents of Hinduism and Islam?

Early Christians were one of the most persecuted communities with Roman persecution being brutal. It's ironic that Rome is now the bastion of Christianity. The later history of Christianity is dark, and lands that they occupied suffered. But with the advent of scientific progress in Western Christian countries, education, philosophy and a general scientific outlook ensured democracy and a dilution of the obsession with their religious books to the point where you can still have a hardcore Christian in a western country who is largely not a threat to a minority living with him.

So it's an evolution within the religion rather than any intrinsic value of the religion itself, in my view. That said, 'Being Christian' is a phrase that has come to represent kindness, service and a virtuous existence. But this is mostly a verbal representation of progress rather than anything religious.

 

[LaLoco]

His point is not about China only though. 98% of Pakistanis I have come across online are far more vocal about the plight of Indian muslims in India or Palestinian muslims in Israel/Palestine than their fellow hindu and christian citizens in their own country. In my 7-8 year duration as a member in this forum, I have come across maybe 3-5 Pakistani muslims with leftist views like [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] and perhaps some of the old timers (remember a poster name starting with DW or something). Being leftist does not mean you are an atheist, it just involves caring about the upliftment of the most oppressed communities in your country, be it muslims or Dalits or hindus or christians or whoever they maybe. Ironically, leftists and liberals are the most demonised group in both India and Pakistan, just because they care for minorities in their respective countries and call out majoritarian aggression.

If the justification is that 'it's not that Pakistanis don't care about minorities in their country, but they highlight the muslim persecution in India and Palestine more because they are more related culturally', then it's not much different to hindus in India caring for hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh more than the persecution happening against their fellow muslim citizens in their own country. The reality of the situation is that hindus and muslims look out for their own in other countries than people of other communities in their own country. Muslims and Hindus tend to have the most majoritarian views and that is reflected in the state of minorities in their respective countries. Christians, particularly in the west, do not have such a majoritarian mindset and therefore such countries are much better to live in as a minority than the hindu and muslim majority countries of the world.

What are you on about?

If you had searched before typing up, which had been answered and explained plenty of times on this forum then almost every thread related to abuse Pakistani minority suffer then you would have notice, almost everyone in each and every thread condemned the treatment of the minorities - the difference is, no one is trying to minimize it or defending it, unless some one try to lump every Pakistani, you already know who i am referring to.

lol at 98% Pakistani. sure!!

I'm leftist, who happened to pray as a Muslim. I believe in almost every social left leaning programs, I believe in everyone has a right to pray to their god as Jinnah of Pakistan hoped for and if some wish to be atheist then they could be - this is consistent view with circle of my friends and family members. lol

Also happen to believe in realistic solution to the serious problem, do not hope for mass violence to handle severe situation, as people from Hong Kong hope for it while making generalize comments about Pakistan on every thread, lol - see now you got me talking about other posters for no reason, I won't do that.

There are plenty of leftist and liberal daily on Pakistani media and on the streets going about their business, do visit.

Now the difference between Pakistan and India is, that Pakistanis on this forum are not defending extremists in Pakistan, such as similar to Hindutva, but you see plenty of Hindutva, either missing when it is time to condemn or finding an excuse to either justify or downplay it, the best one is, "bring in Pakistan into it while trying to find the similarity between the both countries, just as you have attempted to do".

Most Pakistani, particularly on this forum, disagree on the approach to bring about that change within Pakistan.

Try to notice that difference before you type up same repeated excuse to minimize what's is happening in India, which is promoted, over looked, silent approval by the vast majority and people on top of the government.

98% after spending 7-8 years on this forum? haha.

 

[street cricketer]

What are you on about?

If you had searched before typing up, which had been answered and explained plenty of times on this forum then almost every thread related to abuse Pakistani minority suffer then you would have notice, almost everyone in each and every thread condemned the treatment of the minorities - the difference is, no one is trying to minimize it or defending it, unless some one try to lump every Pakistani, you already know who i am referring to.

lol at 98% Pakistani. sure!!

I'm leftist, who happened to pray as a Muslim. I believe in almost every social left leaning programs, I believe in everyone has a right to pray to their god as Jinnah of Pakistan hoped for and if some wish to be atheist then they could be - this is consistent view with circle of my friends and family members. lol

Also happen to believe in realistic solution to the serious problem, do not hope for mass violence to handle severe situation, as people from Hong Kong hope for it while making generalize comments about Pakistan on every thread, lol - see now you got me talking about other posters for no reason, I won't do that.

There are plenty of leftist and liberal daily on Pakistani media and on the streets going about their business, do visit.

Now the difference between Pakistan and India is, that Pakistanis on this forum are not defending extremists in Pakistan, such as similar to Hindutva, but you see plenty of Hindutva, either missing when it is time to condemn or finding an excuse to either justify or downplay it, the best one is, "bring in Pakistan into it while trying to find the similarity between the both countries, just as you have attempted to do".

Most Pakistani, particularly on this forum, disagree on the approach to bring about that change within Pakistan.

Try to notice that difference before you type up same repeated excuse to minimize what's is happening in India, which is promoted, over looked, silent approval by the vast majority and people on top of the government.

98% after spending 7-8 years on this forum? haha.

Read my post once again. I said "98% of Pakistanis would care about the plight of Indian muslims or Palestinians more than hindus and christians of Pakistan". I did not say they wish harm to the minorities in their own country, it's just that they care far more about muslims in India or Palestine than their own minorities, which is true.

Secondly, it's easy to "condemn" in online forums which means nothing really. Hindus can also "condemn" lynchings of innocent muslims in India while voting for BJP, that would mean nothing in reality. How many Pakistani muslims support the separation of religion from the state? I would guess it's a negligible number. It's why I say there's very little presence of leftist movements in Pakistan. In CAA/NRC protests, countless hindus joined in the protest with their fellow muslims, protesting against hindutva and supporting secularism. Sure, they don't have the numbers to secure an electoral majority across India to defeat the BJP in elections, but at least they have the numbers to fill up the streets during protests. Has there ever been a protest in Pakistan calling for secularism and asking to repeal the religious laws that are enshrined in the Pakistani constitution? I would guess never.

 

[Justcrazy]

Read my post once again. I said "98% of Pakistanis would care about the plight of Indian muslims or Palestinians more than hindus and christians of Pakistan". I did not say they wish harm to the minorities in their own country, it's just that they care far more about muslims in India or Palestine than their own minorities, which is true.

Secondly, it's easy to "condemn" in online forums which means nothing really. Hindus can also "condemn" lynchings of innocent muslims in India while voting for BJP, that would mean nothing in reality. How many Pakistani muslims support the separation of religion from the state? I would guess it's a negligible number. It's why I say there's very little presence of leftist movements in Pakistan. In CAA/NRC protests, countless hindus joined in the protest with their fellow muslims, protesting against hindutva and supporting secularism. Sure, they don't have the numbers to secure an electoral majority across India to defeat the BJP in elections, but at least they have the numbers to fill up the streets during protests. Has there ever been a protest in Pakistan calling for secularism and asking to repeal the religious laws that are enshrined in the Pakistani constitution? I would guess never.

What Islamic law do you think should be repealed? Just asking out of curiosity

 

[street cricketer]

What Islamic law do you think should be repealed? Just asking out of curiosity

I could care less, because I don't live there. I'm just saying that the same Pakistani muslims who have strong views on Hindutva mixing with politics in India would have zero objection on Islam mixing with politics in Pakistan, and would actively support it.

 

[Justcrazy]

I could care less, because I don't live there. I'm just saying that the same Pakistani muslims who have strong views on Hindutva mixing with politics in India would have zero objection on Islam mixing with politics in Pakistan, and would actively support it.

When we say Islamic politics it is based on Quran and sunnah , if Hindutva was based on Hindu scriptures , then there is no issue , but if it is based on RSS founder damodar book , then there is a problem. This is my humble opinion.

 

[street cricketer]

When we say Islamic politics it is based on Quran and sunnah , if Hindutva was based on Hindu scriptures , then there is no issue , but if it is based on RSS founder damodar book , then there is a problem. This is my humble opinion.

Can't compare Hinduism and Islam. One is an organised religion with a central book of codified scriptures, while the other is not an organised religion. In any case, it's not a necessity that the laws of a country need to be based on a Holy book.

 

[Justcrazy]

Can't compare Hinduism and Islam. One is an organised religion with a central book of codified scriptures, while the other is not an organised religion. In any case, it's not a necessity that the laws of a country need to be based on a Holy book.

To be Islamic state , the laws of the country has to be based on Quran.

But, if it is not based on scriptures, what should be it be based on? Democracy ?

 

[street cricketer]

To be Islamic state , the laws of the country has to be based on Quran.

But, if it is not based on scriptures, what should be it be based on? Democracy ?

You see this is why I said you can't compare Hinduism and Islam. Islam is a very political religion by nature, it explains everything in detail on how an Islamic state has to be governed, who gets to lead it and what rights minorities can enjoy in that state. Hinduism is just a collection of different pagan beliefs that have existed in the subcontinent since ages, there are no instructions or commandments in the religion that ask the Hindus to organise themselves into a Hindu state, nor does it lay out instructions on how the state should be governed or what rights minorities should enjoy. Heck it didn't insist on propagation unlike the organised religions which require the adherents to spread the message, so in that way, Hinduism is an unorganised and very apolitical religion. Perhaps the only political thing about the hindu society was the caste system.

But you can say that RSS and other Hindutva ideological founders were the pioneers in developing a form of political Hinduism or Hindutva to counter the threat of political Islam. And that is the ideology that's sweeping India today. So majority of Indians today want to turn India into a Hindu rashtra as envisioned by the ideological founders of RSS, which is not too dissimilar to how Jinnah and the Muslim League fought to create an Islamic state for the muslims of the subcontinent. Ultimately it's the people who decide the fate of a state and it's the people of Pakistan who decided they want an Islamic state and it's the people of India who are deciding they want a Hindu rashtra, even if it's detrimental to the overall future of the country.

 

[Justcrazy]

You see this is why I said you can't compare Hinduism and Islam. Islam is a very political religion by nature, it explains everything in detail on how an Islamic state has to be governed, who gets to lead it and what rights minorities can enjoy in that state. Hinduism is just a collection of different pagan beliefs that have existed in the subcontinent since ages, there are no instructions or commandments in the religion that ask the Hindus to organise themselves into a Hindu state, nor does it lay out instructions on how the state should be governed or what rights minorities should enjoy. Heck it didn't insist on propagation unlike the organised religions which require the adherents to spread the message, so in that way, Hinduism is an unorganised and very apolitical religion. Perhaps the only political thing about the hindu society was the caste system.

But you can say that RSS and other Hindutva ideological founders were the pioneers in developing a form of political Hinduism or Hindutva to counter the threat of political Islam. And that is the ideology that's sweeping India today. So majority of Indians today want to turn India into a Hindu rashtra as envisioned by the ideological founders of RSS, which is not too dissimilar to how Jinnah and the Muslim League fought to create an Islamic state for the muslims of the subcontinent. Ultimately it's the people who decide the fate of a state and it's the people of Pakistan who decided they want an Islamic state and it's the people of India who are deciding they want a Hindu rashtra, even if it's detrimental to the overall future of the country.

Pakistan being an Islamic state is a pure myth.

My point was that you want to say that Hindu Rashtra is perceived to be what RSS wants to be, it is nowhere related to Hinduism. They are misusing Hinduism and propagating their own whims and desires in the name of religion.