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Hobart has scared the Aussie curators

Pantani said:
But they play AFL at the Gabba. How do they go about having a normal pitch, and how come the other AFL hosting cricket venues don't copy what the Gabba does?
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The AFL isn't as big in NSW and QLD as it is in the AFL states so can't influence the grounds as much.

And footy was played on cricket grounds for over a century. They handle it the same way they do there.
 
Convict said:
The AFL isn't as big in NSW and QLD as it is in the AFL states so can't influence the grounds as much.

And footy was played on cricket grounds for over a century. They handle it the same way they do there.
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I meant to ask about why the Gabba doesn't use drop-ins but the MCG does. Surely it's not because of the influence of the AFL alone?

But now I think about it, it must be the only reason. If they can play Aussie Rules fine at the Gabba running on top of the remains of an organic cricket pitch, then surely they can play Aussie Rules fine at the MCG/wherever running on top of the remains of an organic cricket pitch.
 
Pantani said:
I meant to ask about why the Gabba doesn't use drop-ins but the MCG does. Surely it's not because of the influence of the AFL alone?

But now I think about it, it must be the only reason. If they can play Aussie Rules fine at the Gabba running on top of the remains of an organic cricket pitch, then surely they can play Aussie Rules fine at the MCG/wherever running on top of the remains of an organic cricket pitch.
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On the other hand the MCG developments get paid off by the 50 plus AFL matches there every year and the rich AFL clubs like Collingwood don't want their players getting shoulder injuries on the harder ground.

The difference is that the MCG and now the Adelaide Oval are basically football grounds where cricket is played during the summer while the SCG and the Gabba are cricket groudns where football is played during the winter.
 
Australia these days is right up there with UAE in terms of producing the worst pitches for test cricket.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Australia these days is right up there with UAE in terms of producing the worst pitches for test cricket.
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The UAE is decent, as is Sri Lanka - what with their 6/6 result wickets vs India and Pakistan this year.

Australia is up there with Australia to produce their 400/3 pitches, and noone else.
 
I'm curious how many people actually watched this days play.

It's nowhere near as flat as touted
 
Convict said:
I'm curious how many people actually watched this days play.

It's nowhere near as flat as touted
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Perhaps but Australian wickets have been quite flat in the last few years. Probably the flattest in the world apart from Abu Dhabi?
 
Yeah but this exactly the same sort of Gabba pitch you get every year

And for the talk of how it's impossible to take wickets with the kookaburra after over 20 - shield bowlers manage it all the time.

It's almost as if bowlers who grew up in Australian conditions know how to exploit what is there.

I mean take Nathan Lyon. He's probably the most successful off spinner in Australian conditions in test history. Because Australia is an off spinners graveyard.
How does he do it? He's grown up her and bounce is an important part of his game.

Last year the wickets were extremely flat.

This year does appear to offer something to the bowlers. Australian wickets are rewarding for batsman who get set but they also reward bowlers who manage to exploit the conditions.

Yeah, there wasn't much swing on offer for the Kiwi bowlers but they did bowl pretty bad. Especially Bracewell and Craig.
 
Convict said:
Yeah but this exactly the same sort of Gabba pitch you get every year

And for the talk of how it's impossible to take wickets with the kookaburra after over 20 - shield bowlers manage it all the time.

It's almost as if bowlers who grew up in Australian conditions know how to exploit what is there.

I mean take Nathan Lyon. He's probably the most successful off spinner in Australian conditions in test history. Because Australia is an off spinners graveyard.
How does he do it? He's grown up her and bounce is an important part of his game.

Last year the wickets were extremely flat.

This year does appear to offer something to the bowlers. Australian wickets are rewarding for batsman who get set but they also reward bowlers who manage to exploit the conditions.

Yeah, there wasn't much swing on offer for the Kiwi bowlers but they did bowl pretty bad. Especially Bracewell and Craig.
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Would you think that Yasir Shah would do well in Australia if the pitches offer bounce and aren't complete pattas ?
 
Convict said:
On the other hand the MCG developments get paid off by the 50 plus AFL matches there every year and the rich AFL clubs like Collingwood don't want their players getting shoulder injuries on the harder ground.

The difference is that the MCG and now the Adelaide Oval are basically football grounds where cricket is played during the summer while the SCG and the Gabba are cricket groudns where football is played during the winter.
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MCG is a cricket ground and will remain so...after all nobody cares about footy except Ozs...MCG stands for Melbourne Cricket Ground...when it changes to MFG (Melbourne footy ground) then u have a case

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This wasn't a 400/2 sort of wicket. It NZ had batted first I am sure they would be like 300-350 for five or six down. NZ test bowling is not threatening outside home conditions. NZ can still come back into the match, but they need to get wickets in a flurry. Australian team is packed with bowlers who can bat - Mitch, Starc - first innings score of 600 is almost confirmed.
 
BigBoy123 said:
MCG is a cricket ground and will remain so...after all nobody cares about footy except Ozs...MCG stands for Melbourne Cricket Ground...when it changes to MFG (Melbourne footy ground) then u have a case

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Yeah but funnily enough the MCG is in Melbourne which does care about footy. A lot in the same way India and Pakistan care about cricket.

Which is why, despite the name the MCG is a footy stadium where cricket matches are played during the summer and is why Cricket Victoria will stop playing shield matches at the MCG.
 
Haroon786 said:
Would you think that Yasir Shah would do well in Australia if the pitches offer bounce and aren't complete pattas ?
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A world class leg spinner will always be a major threat in Australia, or indeed everywhere in the world.
 
Convict said:
A world class leg spinner will always be a major threat in Australia, or indeed everywhere in the world.
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That's confiendece not shared by Pakistani supporters because we haven't had much success in Australia in the last 20 years, although we have squandered a couple of Tests that should have been ours.
 
Haroon786 said:
That's confiendece not shared by Pakistani supporters because we haven't had much success in Australia in the last 20 years, although we have squandered a couple of Tests that should have been ours.
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If you lose it will because the batting collapses. It won't be because Australian batsmen suddenly learn how to play spin overnight
 
Convict said:
If you lose it will because the batting collapses. It won't be because Australian batsmen suddenly learn how to play spin overnight
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Foget about our spin bowlers, most have struggled there anyway but apart from Imran and Wasim, all of our pacers have struggled in Australia as well.
 
For Warner to last more than 200 deliveries (first time in his career), the wicket has to be pretty flat.
 
Mamoon said:
For Warner to last more than 200 deliveries (first time in his career), the wicket has to be pretty flat.
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He lasted so long because this was one of his slowest hundreds. He has been making more of these "slow" hundreds since 2014.
 
IndianWillow said:
He lasted so long because this was one of his slowest hundreds. He has been making more of these "slow" hundreds since 2014.
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Which is the right way forward. He needs to occupy the crease for long periods of time especially away from home, where attritional cricket is required. His inability to bat for long has costed Australia in England, India and the UAE.
 
Here we go again. I look at the scorecard and it's a game in Australia - 416/2.

Give us a break.
 
Varun said:
Here we go again. I look at the scorecard and it's a game in Australia - 416/2.

Give us a break.
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You should try watching a game once in a while, instead of looking up scorecards. Perhaps then you can make an objective statement about the pitch.
 
Pantani said:
You should try watching a game once in a while, instead of looking up scorecards. Perhaps then you can make an objective statement about the pitch.
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Whatever.

Four hundred and Sixteen. For Two!

Last game? Five Hundred and Fifty Six. For Four!
 
Varun said:
Whatever.

Four hundred and Sixteen. For Two!

Last game? Five Hundred and Fifty Six. For Four!
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I watched the first two sessions before switching it off (believe me I find uninterrupted batting dominance as boring as you must) and all I noticed was that New Zealand's bowlers were crap. Have a look at their pitch maps:

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They were just shockingly bad. Vinay Kumar bowled better here last time out than the New Zealand quicks. Whether or not you're playing on a flat track, surely you should at least be able to put the ball in the same spot repeatedly. That's a basic requirement of bowling success no matter what kind of pitch is served up. New Zealand weren't able to do it and so it's no surprise that Australia got to 400 for the loss of one wicket. This same outfit conceded a 500 run opening stand on a pitch they said was unfit for batting. Then they backed that up with the Gabba horror show, and then there was today. Their aggregate figures for the tour are 20 wickets for over 2200 runs, or something like that. This is symptomatic of New Zealand being a terrible cricketing side in Australian conditions, not that Australian pitches are stacked in favour of batting.
 
Look at Australia's pitch map from the Gabba, much much tighter. A bit loose to the left handers but they could afford to get away with that with 556 in the bank.

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747/11 on this second pitch so far.

Great test cricket on display.

Then again, how much can we expect when even Steyn was brought down to earth on these pitches when South Africa last toured?
 
Varun said:
747/11 on this second pitch so far.

Great test cricket on display.

Then again, how much can we expect when even Steyn was brought down to earth on these pitches when South Africa last toured?
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Whenever Modi visits Australia next, he should ask the Aussie curators to build some roads in rural India as investments. Seems like Aussie curators are the best in the world when it comes to making roads ;-)
 
battler said:
Whenever Modi visits Australia next, he should ask the Aussie curators to build some roads in rural India as investments. Seems like Aussie curators are the best in the world when it comes to making roads ;-)
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800/11 now.

Statistically speaking that means every batsman - opener or tail - has on average scored 72 runs when he's come to the crease.

What a joke.
 
On these pitches, Australia will still destroy fragile batting lineups, but against half decent opponents, they will face a lot of resistance. I don't like this approach at all, makes watching Test Cricket so tiring.
 
Varun said:
800/11 now.

Statistically speaking that means every batsman - opener or tail - has on average scored 72 runs when he's come to the crease.

What a joke.
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Pitches from especially last year have been a complete joke.
Btw is it still raining in Bangalore?
 
Zak_Fan said:
On these pitches, Australia will still destroy fragile batting lineups, but against half decent opponents, they will face a lot of resistance. I don't like this approach at all, makes watching Test Cricket so tiring.
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They couldn't even bowl us out in 2 tests.
Indian batting is good but not as good as their pitches made it look.
 
battler said:
Pitches from especially last year have been a complete joke.
Btw is it still raining in Bangalore?
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I'm in Chennai now and it's raining heavily here. But yes, it's probably at least drizzling in Bangalore as well.
 
battler said:
They couldn't even bowl us out in 2 tests.
Indian batting is good but not as good as their pitches made it look.
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That's the reason I said "half decent". Right now, England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and WI are the only sides that may get whitewashed there. Other sides imo will definitely earn a few draws quite easily.
 
Zak_Fan said:
That's the reason I said "half decent". Right now, England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and WI are the only sides that may get whitewashed there. Other sides imo will definitely earn a few draws quite easily.
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I'm pretty sure Pakistan batting is better than India's in test cricket bro

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Mahmood101 said:
I'm pretty sure Pakistan batting is better than India's in test cricket bro

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It is. Like us, you may be able to scalp up a draw or two in Australia I think.
 
Varun said:
It is. Like us, you may be able to scalp up a draw or two in Australia I think.
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Nope. They are good only against spin. Did u see the way they played Anderson and broad in the uae?
India is light years ahead when it comes to playing pace bowling than pakistan.
 
Varun said:
It is. Like us, you may be able to scalp up a draw or two in Australia I think.
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Probably we could only if the pitches we get are flat like the indian-aussie series earlier this year

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Mahmood101 said:
On these Australian pitches at least, we are excellent FTB'S, however on traditional aussie pitches it is debatable

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Your players couldn't play Broad and Anderson in Uae.
No way you guys are playing Aus bowlers in Aus even on pattas.
 
Mahmood101 said:
I'm pretty sure Pakistan batting is better than India's in test cricket bro

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Against spin it is. Against pace and bounce, it will struggle.. like it struggled in the WC or last NZ ODI series.
 
Mahmood101 said:
Probably we could only if the pitches we get are flat like the indian-aussie series earlier this year

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Aussie pitches have been super flat for quite a while.

England - Aus 2013/14 Ashes - Johnson hid the flat tracks with his bowling.
India - Aus 2014/15 - flat as hell

But this is not the regular flat of Asia. Its flat with bounce.

If you can adjust, then you can scrape a few draws. No way I see Aus losing in these tracks (unless something super crazy happens). However if you don't adjust to the wickets, Aus will whitewash you.

Its as simple as that.

Even SA only won the Perth test (which had some life) in 2012/13. The first 2 tests Aussies were dominating the Saffer team with Smith, Kallis and co even though it was a draw.
 
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battler said:
Your players couldn't play Broad and Anderson in Uae.
No way you guys are playing Aus bowlers in Aus even on pattas.
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Your players couldn't play part time spinners like moeen Ali and elgar.
So that argument is flawed

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Mahmood101 said:
Probably we could only if the pitches we get are flat like the indian-aussie series earlier this year

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Aussie pitches are bigger pancakes with each passing season. You shouldn't have a problem.
 
Mahmood101 said:
Your players couldn't play part time spinners like moeen Ali and elgar.
So that argument is flawed

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I never claimed that India is better at playing spin than pak.
I only said for pace bowling.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Against spin it is. Against pace and bounce, it will struggle.. like it struggled in the WC or last NZ ODI series.
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Dude Noone on that team played test cricket besides sarfraz (who did good), mohammad hafeez (who did quite fine in new Zealand series) , younis khan (who's always been a flip in any odi conditions , and misbah (top 5 run scorer in tournament at on point)

Besides odi matches don't translate to test success

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sensible-indian-fan said:
Aussie pitches have been super flat for quite a while.

England - Aus 2013/14 Ashes - Johnson hid the flat tracks with his bowling.
India - Aus 2014/15 - flat as hell

But this is not the regular flat of Asia. Its flat with bounce.

If you can adjust, then you can scrape a few draws. No way I see Aus losing in these tracks (unless something super crazy happens). However if you don't adjust to the wickets, Aus will whitewash you.

Its as simple as that.

Even SA only won the Perth test (which had some life) in 2012/13. The first 2 tests Aussies were dominating the Saffer team with Smith, Kallis and co even though it was a draw.
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Bounce could favor us as we love ball coming onto bat, but I can't see us winning a match with our average bowlers

Our batsmen will struggle a bit anyway as a line up of mojo, starc, pattinson, hazelwood is no joke

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battler said:
I never claimed that India is better at playing spin than pak.
I only said for pace bowling.
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Even pace bowling we are about equal, no team has a pace bowler that has totally dismantled either Pakistan or India yet

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Mahmood101 said:
Even pace bowling we are about equal, no team has a pace bowler that has totally dismantled either Pakistan or India yet

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Fair to say that our line-up has more potential though going forward. Once Misbah and Younis retire your batting order is very brittle.
 
Mahmood101 said:
Dude Noone on that team played test cricket besides sarfraz (who did good), mohammad hafeez (who did quite fine in new Zealand series) , younis khan (who's always been a flip in any odi conditions , and misbah (top 5 run scorer in tournament at on point)

Besides odi matches don't translate to test success

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I disagree here. I don't see Pakistan batting doing much abroad. I may be proven wrong, who knows.
 
Zak_Fan said:
I disagree here. I don't see Pakistan batting doing much abroad. I may be proven wrong, who knows.
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If pitches are flat expect the batting to be decent, however if there's any life we will collapse like almost every team. I really can't see us winning anywhere though tbh.

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Mahmood101 said:
If pitches are flat expect the batting to be decent, however if there's any life we will collapse like almost every team. I really can't see us winning anywhere though tbh.

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Maybe. It will be interesting to see how it goes.
 
2/203 in the third innings.

Even highways are a little harder to survive on than this.
 
Here we go again. Win the toss, bat first.

Go at 5.14 runs an over!
 
First session would have been interesting with a quality opening spell from the new ball bowlers, was pretty awful stuff that first hour.
 
Even Shaun Marsh has scored a ton lol.

How can you justify a pitch which is just tailored for clattering the bowlers around with or without Kemar Roach having a bad day (which btw is just 11-1-64-0)?
 
Shaun Marsh has scored centuries in Centurion and in Sri Lanka.

And this wicket certainly wasn't prepared because Australian curators are terrified of losing to the Windies
 
Probably bad bowling here.

Hobart is a bowler friendly track naa?

In Aus, if you don't get it right, the effects are too massive.
 
Usual service is on again, 345/3*

Joe Burns doesn't look like his technique will hold up anywhere else in the world.
 
Probably the toughest deck in Australia?

Australia bundled out for 85 this morning.
 
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