Hold Umpires Accountable!

[BunnyRabbit]

Not a case of sour grapes. But ever since I started watching cricket, the umpires have always been considered untouchable and some holy entity in cricket.

Whether it was the biased umpiring back by home umpires in 80s and 90s or their errors in high profile matches where they gained notoriety [from fans], (Murali getting called for no ball by Hair, Dharmasena in 2019 wc, Bucknor in various matches involving India, Hair and Doctrove in the Oval test 2006 etc etc), umpires have historically been given leeway by ICC.

Cricket is a player's game and umpires really have no right to be the center of attention of it or being the ones to decide the outcome of the match.

DRS was introduced as an umpire protective ploy (something Dhoni said as well) rather than player protective.

Every now and then with every glitch or questionable decision, they are given an excuse as being human and prone to error but they don't get any admonishment from the governing organizations. They are always let off free without any sanctions or fines and are essentially untouchable.

With all the technology they have, and considering there are 3 umpires in a game, there should be no room for any mishap. The same way players get fined for causing any disruption, umpires should be sanctioned as well.

Apart from Hair getting banned from officiating internationals for a year, umpires have never been questioned by ICC for a possible bias or inability.

I'm all for umpire getting their due in challenging situations but they shouldn't be considered infallible and their reports (if any) regarding questionable decisions should be made public and they be penalized if found to be falling short of their duties.

Discuss please!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

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[Varun]

I support this thread.

It has gotten to a stage where they might as well not be there in the middle. I mean, they need help from the TVs to call front foot no-balls, so what's their use? Even a 12-year old can wave his hands for boundaries and lift his finger for a clean bowled.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I support this thread.

It has gotten to a stage where they might as well not be there in the middle. I mean, they need help from the TVs to call front foot no-balls, so what's their use? Even a 12-year old can wave his hands for boundaries and lift his finger for a clean bowled.

Like seriously they are given so much technology like hawkeye, hotspot, slo mo, etc etc, and if they are still making blunders, what's their use?

 

[Sarwar89]

Come on let’s not be too personal. Sport needs human touch. Too much technology computers hawk eyes & all we are making it like a robotic tech firm game. Umpires are doing their job and we shall accept & respect them. Please do not introduce dharna type assault on icc umpires. Move on.

We have also been beneficiary on few occasions & victims as well. David shephard failed to give no ballls on wasim
Akram so many times when he took wickets in oval test 2001 last day.

Pakistan is alive in world cup and can reach sf by winning 4/4.

1996 world cup semi final
Ritchie richardson 4 was stopped by umpire and west indies lost by 5 runs at Mohali.
I do not recall richardson fighting with umpire.
Even imran forgave 87 semi final blunder by british umpire dickie bird. Forgive & move on.
And fight like a wounded lion in next 4 rounds.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Come on let’s not be too personal. Sport needs human touch. Too much technology computers hawk eyes & all we are making it like a robotic tech firm game. Umpires are doing their job and we shall accept & respect them. Please do not introduce dharna type assault on icc umpires. Move on.

We have also been beneficiary on few occasions & victims as well. David shephard failed to give no ballls on wasim
Akram so many times when he took wickets in oval test 2001 last day.

Pakistan is alive in world cup and can reach sf by winning 4/4.

1996 world cup semi final
Ritchie richardson 4 was stopped by umpire and west indies lost by 5 runs at Mohali.
I do not recall richardson fighting with umpire.
Even imran forgave 87 semi final blunder by british umpire dickie bird. Forgive & move on.
And fight like a wounded lion in next 4 rounds.

This is what I am saying. Cricket is player's game not umpire's. Players need to be given the best opportunity to excel. Umpiring doesn't need human touch, it needs perfection. No one is asking for players' to get robotic.

Yes all that decisions changed the courses of respective games. Why should it be a normalcy?

 

[Sarwar89]

This is what I am saying. Cricket is player's game not umpire's. Players need to be given the best opportunity to excel. Umpiring doesn't need human touch, it needs perfection. No one is asking for players' to get robotic.

Yes all that decisions changed the courses of respective games. Why should it be a normalcy?

Umpiring does need human touch.

Life is not perfect by any means.

Sport need not to be computrised robotic. It is these little imperfections which make cricket beautiful.

Anyway you will not understand it & i do not wish to argue with you.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not a case of sour grapes. But ever since I started watching cricket, the umpires have always been considered untouchable and some holy entity in cricket.

Whether it was the biased umpiring back by home umpires in 80s and 90s or their errors in high profile matches where they gained notoriety [from fans], (Murali getting called for no ball by Hair, Dharmasena in 2019 wc, Bucknor in various matches involving India, Hair and Doctrove in the Oval test 2006 etc etc), umpires have historically been given leeway by ICC.

Cricket is a player's game and umpires really have no right to be the center of attention of it or being the ones to decide the outcome of the match.

DRS was introduced as an umpire protective ploy (something Dhoni said as well) rather than player protective.

Every now and then with every glitch or questionable decision, they are given an excuse as being human and prone to error but they don't get any admonishment from the governing organizations. They are always let off free without any sanctions or fines and are essentially untouchable.

With all the technology they have, and considering there are 3 umpires in a game, there should be no room for any mishap. The same way players get fined for causing any disruption, umpires should be sanctioned as well.

Apart from Hair getting banned from officiating internationals for a year, umpires have never been questioned by ICC for a possible bias or inability.

I'm all for umpire getting their due in challenging situations but they shouldn't be considered infallible and their reports (if any) regarding questionable decisions should be made public and they be penalized if found to be falling short of their duties.

Discuss please!

I agree with you.

I think umpires should have demerit points system. Every error should give an umpire 1 demerit point, for example.

Umpiring quality has gone down over the years. Something needs to be done.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

And who will held them accountable? Most of us already believed ICC is biased and ICC/BCCI will not let make independent body for that.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I agree with you.

I think umpires should have demerit points system. Every error should give an umpire 1 demerit point, for example.

Umpiring quality has gone down over the years. Something needs to be done.

Although it has become much better than what home umpires used to do years ago, i'd say it's not gotten better than it should potentially be considering all the advancements and tech available now. There's a sort of fear by ICC that criticizing umpires might become a stigma.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

And who will held them accountable? Most of us already believed ICC is biased and ICC/BCCI will not let make independent body for that.

ICC have very few umpires from India.

Like I was saying, it wasn't simply a post-match meltdown from me. India in the past have been on the receiving end as well, like Yuvraj was given caught out in 2007 5th ODI at home when the ball had hit his arm.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Every team that has benefitted from umpiring decisions also suffered from it. For instance umpire's call in DRS.
The umpire's decision plays a big role. Sometimes team get lucky with that. Sometimes unlucky.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Btw who called the no ball, was it the front umpire?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Btw who called the no ball, was it the front umpire?

From my understanding, it wasn't given no-ball initially. Kohli inquired from the leg side umpire and then the two umpires decided and Rod Tucker signalled the no ball. I may be wrong.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

From my understanding, it wasn't given no-ball initially. Kohli inquired from the leg side umpire and then the two umpires decided and Rod Tucker signalled the no ball. I may be wrong.

oh ok, that is why there are clips circulating around Eramus not giving no ball off Shami to Rizwan, plus I remember Tucker calling it and was wondering he was not the leg umpire so why. Guess it's time to bury the hatchet and look forward, what is done is done.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

oh ok, that is why there are clips circulating around Eramus not giving no ball off Shami to Rizwan, plus I remember Tucker calling it and was wondering he was not the leg umpire so why. Guess it's time to bury the hatchet and look forward, what is done is done.

I'm not saying they should change the outcome of the match. But for future, they need to hold the umpires accountable and not succumb to players' demands and be asked to explain their decisions if there is suspicion of bias. And introduce a demerit system for umpires as well. Players are expected to abide by the rules and are sanctioned by the smallest of things like giving a send off yet umpires get a free hand.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

They are untouchables, we can't do much

 

[Kianig89]

But what if they tinker with DRS like Mohali 2011

 

[rhony]

oh ok, that is why there are clips circulating around Eramus not giving no ball off Shami to Rizwan, plus I remember Tucker calling it and was wondering he was not the leg umpire so why. Guess it's time to bury the hatchet and look forward, what is done is done.

Umpires stopped looking for no balls. We have the 3rd umpire notifying the umps if there is a no ball. That's why you see a delay in the noball signal from umpires when a bowler oversteps.

 

[rhony]

But what if they tinker with DRS like Mohali 2011

Yes and also that Pakistani masseur was sketchy. Some called him an Indian agent too. He rubbed some kind of mysterious oil on the palms of a few Pak players. The ball became slippery during catching.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

VAR in football was introduced when on-field referees cant make a decision and many decisions challenged and overturned after that.

Similarly in cricket they have the third umpire for a long time who can help on-field umpires..

Simple solution for on-field umpires to re-check and double confirm upstairs.

Rohit knew his catch was taken clean and he left the field, but they still went upto third umpire to confirm , why not do the same for the no-ball..Very clear Kohli was out of the crease...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I dunno man. I'm not sure if I agree. I feel human error is a part of every sport and life in general. There are referees in football that get chastised even worse than any umpire these days. DRS and other technology has been created to minimize the human error. But at some level it will always exist.

i also don't feel that punishment is a productive solution to this. Who's to say that the threat of punishment won't cause them to make even more mistakes?

At the end of the day, umpires, just like referees in any other sport, are deserving of respect. They spend years honing their craft before they are selected for the ICC Elite Panel.

There will always be special cases, outliers, umpires who make more mistakes than others and decisions that are absolute howlers. But at the end of the day, that's just the nature of sport. Bad luck and human error is as much a part of it as skill, perseverance, grit, tenacity and all that jazz.

 

[Ryw]

Here is reality "Hold Broadcasters Accountable" i am saying this that they can show manuplated clip, replay etc for example if they show us front foot no ball of previous delievry, average viewers have to believe it what was displayed on replay

 

[Kriketer]

True. This no ball blunder was huge and outright disgusting the way they carried it out. Pakistan was robbed from a potential victory when technology could have easily figured out that Kholi was "not beyond the batting crease" hence can't be a no ball.

Wasn't Asad Rauf made accountable for making a no ball blunder as well? These gora umpires can't just simply walk away from a big blunder in such a crucial game at a very crucial last moment.

 

[Major]

ICC doesnt like to go after its umpires as it reflects badly on them. Even the 2007 World Cup final blunder by Aleem Dar and co, ICC had to take action to clear its own image, because it hurt ICC's image that the final became controversial.

I wouldn't say hold the umpires accountable as it is a high pressure job already. ICC umpiring is better than what you see in Baseball. Plus, the good thing about ICC is that the blunders that were made would go in the match report which gets discussed and changes are always taking place in the laws of the game. So ICC does bring improvement in the system.

Thus, I believe that these howlers will exists. Like for example the Kumar Dharmasena one in the final. Umpires are always under pressure to make decisions because they cant just go to the rule book and go after each and every rule. Decision has to be made quickly.

But umpires should be allowed to use technology where possible and not be making decisions just on memory.

 

[Kianig89]

The level of umpiring has gone down over the years therfore sleepers and patas like Erasmus Tucker etc are still officiating

Steve Bucknor
Billy Doctrove
David Shepherd
Asoka De Silva
B.c. Coorey
S Ravi
A.Jayaprakash
Amesh Saheba
S Tarapore
Steve Davis
Darrel Hair

All of them are/were habitual blundered yet they went unscathed

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I dunno man. I'm not sure if I agree. I feel human error is a part of every sport and life in general. There are referees in football that get chastised even worse than any umpire these days. DRS and other technology has been created to minimize the human error. But at some level it will always exist.

i also don't feel that punishment is a productive solution to this. Who's to say that the threat of punishment won't cause them to make even more mistakes?

At the end of the day, umpires, just like referees in any other sport, are deserving of respect. They spend years honing their craft before they are selected for the ICC Elite Panel.

There will always be special cases, outliers, umpires who make more mistakes than others and decisions that are absolute howlers. But at the end of the day, that's just the nature of sport. Bad luck and human error is as much a part of it as skill, perseverance, grit, tenacity and all that jazz.

Yes football umpires get criticized, but the umpires in cricket are deemed untouchable.

With all the technology available, shouldn't the margin of error be lesser than what it is right now? There's still a lot of debate regarding the umpire's call on lbw reviews.

The threat of punishment definitely doesn't lead to players making more mistakes. Why should umpires be treated preferentially?

What I'm saying is too much cushion is given to the umpires.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

ICC doesnt like to go after its umpires as it reflects badly on them. Even the 2007 World Cup final blunder by Aleem Dar and co, ICC had to take action to clear its own image, because it hurt ICC's image that the final became controversial.

I wouldn't say hold the umpires accountable as it is a high pressure job already. ICC umpiring is better than what you see in Baseball. Plus, the good thing about ICC is that the blunders that were made would go in the match report which gets discussed and changes are always taking place in the laws of the game. So ICC does bring improvement in the system.

Thus, I believe that these howlers will exists. Like for example the Kumar Dharmasena one in the final. Umpires are always under pressure to make decisions because they cant just go to the rule book and go after each and every rule. Decision has to be made quickly.

But umpires should be allowed to use technology where possible and not be making decisions just on memory.

I do hope the match report does mention the doubtful decision of the no ball and why it wasn't referred to the tv umpire as it was a turning point of the game. And ICC does something to make sure situations like these aren't repeated again.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

True. This no ball blunder was huge and outright disgusting the way they carried it out. Pakistan was robbed from a potential victory when technology could have easily figured out that Kholi was "not beyond the batting crease" hence can't be a no ball.

Wasn't Asad Rauf made accountable for making a no ball blunder as well? These gora umpires can't just simply walk away from a big blunder in such a crucial game at a very crucial last moment.

There's a lot that is wrong with the ICC. But no one is prepared to talk about it.

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi on TV:

"There have been several instances in the past when run-outs have been referred to third umpires in the past. It was a crucial situation in the game and if it was referred to the third umpire then the on-field umpires could have had a clear picture. But they decided to immediately signal a bo ball. They don't have eagle eyes, they could have referred to the third umpire"

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shahid Afridi on TV:

"There have been several instances in the past when run-outs have been referred to third umpires in the past. It was a crucial situation in the game and if it was referred to the third umpire then the on-field umpires could have had a clear picture. But they decided to immediately signal a bo ball. They don't have eagle eyes, they could have referred to the third umpire"

haven't heard your views regarding it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But what if they tinker with DRS like Mohali 2011

Tinker with DRS? You have any proof of making such an accusation.

 

[daytrader]

Missed a big inside edge today Erasmus

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Wasim Akram recently said, the technology has paradoxically made umpires careless and complacent.

 

[shamaan]

Umpiring has been club level.