How big would Pakistan have to beat Bangladesh to surpass on points table?

[emranabbas]

We need Shahid afridi in this scenario

 

[nads_rocks]

Bring in these guys for 500 score

Afridi
Sharjeel
Nazir
Asif
Fakhar
Razzaq
Mahmoud
Wahab
Hassan
Amir
Miandad because of Sharjah of course

 

[ads101]

To have a decent shot we'll have to score around 600 so that we can win by 320 odd runs. Which is 12 an over. Which theoretically can be done, teams have scores 260 or so in a T20.

Asif has to play really, instead of Imam.

It's impossible really lol. But hope our guys will go out and try to hit every single ball. No point of a respectable loss, just go for it.

 

[NA]

To have a decent shot we'll have to score around 600 so that we can win by 320 odd runs. Which is 12 an over. Which theoretically can be done, teams have scores 260 or so in a T20.
.

I'd say go for 700, to make it a bit safer. We can surely restrict Bdesh under 350.

 

[light]

LOL, If we had experts like you Pakistan will have no chance. It doesn't work like that. Abdullah719 is right. Let me show you the calculations.

Currently Pakistan has scored 1710 runs in 338.5 overs at RR = 5.05
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 303.4 overs at RR = 5.84
Therefore their current NRR = 5.05 - 5.84 = - 0.79

If they have to qualify they need an NRR more than +0.175 (which is NZ's NRR).

In Batting first scenario,
Even if Bangladesh gets bowled out for '0' and Pakistan wins in 1 ball and scores a 6 (maximum run possible in a ball). That would mean
Pakistan has scored 1716 runs in 338.7 overs at RR = 5.07
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 353.4 overs at RR = 5.02
Therefore their NRR would be = 5.07 - 5.02 = +0.05, which is lower than 0.175 and therefore NZ will go through.

Someone give this guy a PhD in NRR of cricket. [MENTION=149334]Jeetlodil[/MENTION] he clarified it for you and for the rest of us. Please no more of those - you don't know what you are talking about post please.

 

[aliahad]

Total 6s hit by Fakhar in his ODI career so far: 30
Total 6s hit by Asif in his ODI career so far: 21

Total 6s hit by Fakhar+Asif between them in their ODI careers so far: 30+21 = 51

You want them to hit 75 sixes in a single match?

Lets look at it another way...

World record for most sixes hit by a team in one ODI innings: 23 (West Indies, 12 of which came from Gayle's blade).

So you want to more than triple that record, on demand, at a game of your choosing?

Even Windies didn't knew that they will hit 23 sixes in the match against England, all I am saying is to make the target simple. Asif and Fakhar have got the six hitting capabilities let them play the most of the deliveries.

 

[Napa]

I am not sure why everyone is saying Pakistan can not qualify if bowling first.

Pakistan has to gain around 320 runs. assume Bangladesh bat first and make 180. If Pakistan chase this in 18 overs, Pakistan should be through. 32 into 10

If Bangladesh make 240. Then Pakistan will have to change this in approx 21 overs. 29 into 11.5 will be more than 316

If Bangladesh make B runs
Pakistan chase in P overs

Then RR = B/P

RR * (50 - P ) should be greater than 316.

What is wrong in above calculation ?

The thing that is wrong in your calculation is that you are assuming that when a team chases down a target before 50 overs, the overs left are multiplied by the current RR and those runs are added to the teams total.

It doesn't work that way. Rather only the runs scored in the game are added to the existing runs, the number of overs are added to the existing number of overs, etc.

 

[ekpakistani]

Win the toss. Bat first and go for broke.

Open with Asif Ali and Fakhar.

I have no issue at all of we lose by playing this way.

Its time for cornered tigers speech. Play freely.

We have already over achieved in this world cup and so anything else is a bonus.

First 500 to be scored this friday. In sha Allah

 

[Revolution]

What Score 500!! There should be some imagination but this is out of gravity level.

God Save cricket!! Guys remember pak lost against bangla in Asia cup

 

[Savak]

How many spinners do Bangladesh have vs medium pacers and spinners?

Spinners need to be targeted ruthlessly like each needs to go for 100-120 runs minimum, force them to bring part timers under pressure

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Pakistan's highest ODI score is 399 vs Zimwabwe. I doubt Bang will allow Pakistan to score anything >330. That too considering Pak has best day on the field. No brain **** run outs and easy rotation of strike throught 50 overs. Asif Ali must play. I guess drop Imad/Hafeez.

 

[Captain caveman]

450 is 9 runs an over.
5 singles + 1 four = 9 runs
The hard part will be to keep this up for 50 overs.
But lords is usually a flat ground, and if the players are told they must keep this 9 runs per over, even if they get out, then there is s possibility.
Try for 450, doesn't matter if we get bowl out cheaply, the result of this game is only important, if we can overturn NZ run rate, if we lose trying to doesn't matter!

Fakhar
Asif
Hasan ali
Wahab
Hafeez
Malik
Babar
Haris
Safi
Amir
Shaheen
Obviously, odds are gigantically against us, but give it a try, whats there to lose, we are out of the wc anyway, if we don't try!

Bowling first means we are automatically eliminated! - shows what a flawed system this is, two teams can end up on the same points, but team one had no chance of qualifying because it had to bowl first!
If two or more teams are on the same points, then it should be head to head in the group stage used to determine outcome. If you can't still distinguish between the teams, then you should go to nrr.

 

[Captain caveman]

Pakistan's highest ODI score is 399 vs Zimwabwe. I doubt Bang will allow Pakistan to score anything >330. That too considering Pak has best day on the field. No brain **** run outs and easy rotation of strike throught 50 overs. Asif Ali must play. I guess drop Imad/Hafeez.

Probably not able to score 450, but bear in mind, if the coach says it doesn't matter if you get out or if we get bowl out cheaply and lose, just try to score 9 runs evry over, 5 singles and a four, you never know!

 

[Captain caveman]

450 is 9 runs an over.
5 singles + 1 four = 9 runs
The hard part will be to keep this up for 50 overs.
But lords is usually a flat ground, and if the players are told they must keep this 9 runs per over, even if they get out, then there is s possibility.
Try for 450, doesn't matter if we get bowl out cheaply, the result of this game is only important, if we can overturn NZ run rate, if we lose trying to doesn't matter!

Fakhar
Asif
Hasan ali
Wahab
Hafeez
Malik
Babar
Haris
Safi
Amir
Shaheen
Obviously, odds are gigantically against us, but give it a try, whats there to lose, we are out of the wc anyway, if we don't try!

Bowling first means we are automatically eliminated! - shows what a flawed system this is, two teams can end up on the same points, but team one had no chance of qualifying because it had to bowl first!
If two or more teams are on the same points, then it should be head to head in the group stage used to determine outcome. If you can't still distinguish between the teams, then you should go to nrr.

Imad should be in this team, but not sure how to fit him in!

 

[Gullycricket]

Pakistan will troll is all by losing the match

 

[Usergame]

450 is 9 runs an over.
5 singles + 1 four = 9 runs
The hard part will be to keep this up for 50 overs.
But lords is usually a flat ground, and if the players are told they must keep this 9 runs per over, even if they get out, then there is s possibility.
Try for 450, doesn't matter if we get bowl out cheaply, the result of this game is only important, if we can overturn NZ run rate, if we lose trying to doesn't matter!

Fakhar
Asif
Hasan ali
Wahab
Hafeez
Malik
Babar
Haris
Safi
Amir
Shaheen
Obviously, odds are gigantically against us, but give it a try, whats there to lose, we are out of the wc anyway, if we don't try!

Bowling first means we are automatically eliminated! - shows what a flawed system this is, two teams can end up on the same points, but team one had no chance of qualifying because it had to bowl first!
If two or more teams are on the same points, then it should be head to head in the group stage used to determine outcome. If you can't still distinguish between the teams, then you should go to nrr.

What rubbish. Nrr is always better than head to head. It isn't about your performance vs one team , its vs all teams. Make all the excuses you like but despite being below par in last few matches NZ has been better than pakistan in cwc 19.

Your argument is so cry babish and fault. "We can get knocked out by the toss". Nothing flawed about that. Just simple maths. You got knocked out by losing by huge margins. The NRR is the weighted average.

Its like afganistan complaining ",we are out of tournament before a ball has been bowled in final game". "Flawed".

Lol the rules are clear to see and under the rules NZ has been clearly better.

Now keep crying about this result and that result and that washout but fact is you lost in 13 overs vs the windies, got thumped by india and nearly lost to afganistan.

Just like the points table- the nrr is the weighted average. So complaining about pakistan having next to no chance because their nrr is cr*p is hilarious and childish.

 

[charlie007]

Will repost with quote

 

[Itachi]

Probably not able to score 450, but bear in mind, if the coach says it doesn't matter if you get out or if we get bowl out cheaply and lose, just try to score 9 runs evry over, 5 singles and a four, you never know!

.... Even india cant do that. England cant do that. Aus cant do that. NZ is out of equation.

.... And of all the teams, the team with lowest SR who has inherited the disease of not being able to rotate the strike.... Will do that?

Pakistan will just try to win. SF is out of what a human can do.

 

[Captain caveman]

What rubbish. Nrr is always better than head to head. It isn't about your performance vs one team , its vs all teams. Make all the excuses you like but despite being below par in last few matches NZ has been better than pakistan in cwc 19.

Your argument is so cry babish and fault. "We can get knocked out by the toss". Nothing flawed about that. Just simple maths. You got knocked out by losing by huge margins. The NRR is the weighted average.

Its like afganistan complaining ",we are out of tournament before a ball has been bowled in final game". "Flawed".

Lol the rules are clear to see and under the rules NZ has been clearly better.

Now keep crying about this result and that result and that washout but fact is you lost in 13 overs vs the windies, got thumped by india and nearly lost to afganistan.

Just like the points table- the nrr is the weighted average. So complaining about pakistan having next to no chance because their nrr is cr*p is hilarious and childish.

NRR IS not a weighted average!
Only tied teams are relevant in deciding who should go through, unless you bring in a ranked system into the tournament and then you can use that to determine who has beaten the more highly ranked teams!
Won't reply to any more of your posts kid, because your parents obviously haven't taught you any manners!

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan would be struggle to score 250.

 

[charlie007]

Pak to bat first score 1000
Fakhar 500*
Imam 250*
Bangladesh all out for 120.

We are done. I know it's very difficult for us right now. Just come back home with 5 wins.

250 extras bro?

 

[Captain caveman]

.... Even india cant do that. England cant do that. Aus cant do that. NZ is out of equation.

.... And of all the teams, the team with lowest SR who has inherited the disease of not being able to rotate the strike.... Will do that?

Pakistan will just try to win. SF is out of what a human can do.

Obviously, it will be a miracle if pakistan scores 450+, but they should go for it without any hesitation of losing, if we get bowled out cheaply, doesn't matter, a win is worthless, unless you over turn NZ nrr!
Again, the chance is minute for us achieving this, but we should try anyway!

 

[saeedhk]

Pak cricket same **** different day. Following them for decades. Same old problems. Players not reading the game, batsman losing wickets either too early or in clusters in middle overs, drop catches in crucial games. It has cist tgen 2011 2015 and now this world cup. There was no rocket science against WI to play out the overs to have decent RR. All analysts and everyone knew RR would come into play later. Pak lacked basic common sense, players and coaches all to blame and now they are out if world cup cuz of that game. Against Australia they should have won. Idiotic captaincy to have asif at slips and he drops a sitter of finch at 24 and that proved costly. If fielding and fitness doesn't improve same stuff will keep happening. Tbh sarfaraz hafeez Malik wahab (may be after a yr or so) need to go.

Agreed.

 

[ARK Rafay]

The 500s and 600s are impossible. What will not be a shock if Pakistan go for the 400 mark and reaches it.

 

[saeedhk]

As always, Pak lacked strategy from match 1. Batsmen played too slow, catches dropped, brainless captaincy and idiotic decisions to bowl first against Aus and India. Pak only has itself to blame. Our batsman play so slow that even 228 was down to the last over. This is what you get for playing 90s cricket. Mickey, Inzi, Sarfraz and a few others need to be sacked. The 3 wins have masked Pak’s problems and that’s why I think nothing will change.

 

[Sir Alex]

450 is 9 runs an over.
5 singles + 1 four = 9 runs
The hard part will be to keep this up for 50 overs.
But lords is usually a flat ground, and if the players are told they must keep this 9 runs per over, even if they get out, then there is s possibility.
Try for 450, doesn't matter if we get bowl out cheaply, the result of this game is only important, if we can overturn NZ run rate, if we lose trying to doesn't matter!

Fakhar
Asif
Hasan ali
Wahab
Hafeez
Malik
Babar
Haris
Safi
Amir
Shaheen
Obviously, odds are gigantically against us, but give it a try, whats there to lose, we are out of the wc anyway, if we don't try!

Bowling first means we are automatically eliminated! - shows what a flawed system this is, two teams can end up on the same points, but team one had no chance of qualifying because it had to bowl first!
If two or more teams are on the same points, then it should be head to head in the group stage used to determine outcome. If you can't still distinguish between the teams, then you should go to nrr.

The system isn't flawed. It worked perfectly for other semi finalists. If Pak had simply won more matches and be consistent they would not have been here.

Actually Pak can thank the umpiring errors in the Afg game to be at least in a situation where they can theoretically at least have a chance to get into SF

 

[Manager101]

Just imagine, Pakistan losing the toss, put to bowl and there you go, we get eliminated without a ball been bowled.

This scenario is similar to South Africa in 1992 when they lost the deserving Semi final just due to rubbish system of old method DLS. This brought an change to the DLS system and now it is comparatively better.

Similiarly, NRR system needs to be modified for betterment. Its hilarious to know that a toss will have the final say.

 

[Captain caveman]

The system isn't flawed. It worked perfectly for other semi finalists. If Pak had simply won more matches and be consistent they would not have been here.

Actually Pak can thank the umpiring errors in the Afg game to be at least in a situation where they can theoretically at least have a chance to get into SF

I don't know which umpiring errors you are on about, but thats another discussion.

The system is flawed because a team can get knocked out of a competition by losing the toss!!

 

[munda_khi]

1996 .wasim akrm cost us WC
1999 wasim akrm cost us Wc
2003 grouping cost us world cup
2011 Indo pak diplomacy cost us world cup
2015 Rahat ali cost us world cup
2019 Malik cost us world cup

what about world cups before '96

 

[Sir Alex]

I don't know which umpiring errors you are on about, but thats another discussion.

The system is flawed because a team can get knocked out of a competition by losing the toss!!

Let me clarify with an example. Team A bats first and scores 300. Team B then chases and bats slow to reach 260 in 49 overs. Suddenly they look at the scoreboard and realizes they cannot win the match even if they hit 6 sixes and start blaming the scoreboard and system for it. To blame the system for Pak's current predicament is akin to this example.

 

[Jeetlodil]

The thing that is wrong in your calculation is that you are assuming that when a team chases down a target before 50 overs, the overs left are multiplied by the current RR and those runs are added to the teams total.

It doesn't work that way. Rather only the runs scored in the game are added to the existing runs, the number of overs are added to the existing number of overs, etc.

This clarifies. Apologies for the confusion.
However these extra runs should be added. Otherwise it is penalty for the team if you bowl out the opposition cheaper?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan should realistically aim for 400 and reevaluate after 30 overs if they can go for 450-500 run mark.

If you go into the first 10 overs with the mentality of scoring 600 runs you could also be 30/4 in 5 overs. Don’t have to be mad. Play this cleverly. Pakistan is capable of scoring 400 then it’s all up to bowling. People are putting all emphasis on batting only. But the bowling has to also do a big task

 

[Captain caveman]

Let me clarify with an example. Team A bats first and scores 300. Team B then chases and bats slow to reach 260 in 49 overs. Suddenly they look at the scoreboard and realizes they cannot win the match even if they hit 6 sixes and start blaming the scoreboard and system for it. To blame the system for Pak's current predicament is akin to this example.

NO!
Team b had an opportunity within the game to win, but team a restricted them and will win instead.
Pakistan lose the toss and bangladesh decide to bat first, pakistan are eliminated from the wc!
THIS IS A FLAWED SYSTEM!
Being eliminated by a coin toss, even if pakistan win the game!

 

[KP From India]

Inspite of all these blunders, you would have chance if Pak got 220 against WI and made them bat 44-45 overs to get there.In that case maybe you needed to beat Ban by some 50-60 runs which is entirely possible.

 

[Indiafan]

I don't know which umpiring errors you are on about, but thats another discussion.

The system is flawed because a team can get knocked out of a competition by losing the toss!!

Come on, you know the team is knocked out because it played poor. The team is not getting knocked out because it lost the toss, if you were on 8 points now what would you say your team was knocked out for? Treat NRR same as points, if you don't get points you are knocked out, if you don't get enough NRR you are knocked out

 

[Captain caveman]

Pakistan should realistically aim for 400 and reevaluate after 30 overs if they can go for 450-500 run mark.

If you go into the first 10 overs with the mentality of scoring 600 runs you could also be 30/4 in 5 overs. Don’t have to be mad. Play this cleverly. Pakistan is capable of scoring 400 then it’s all up to bowling. People are putting all emphasis on batting only. But the bowling has to also do a big task

Losing the game doesn't matter, if you can't over turn NZ run rate!
Pakistan should go for broke!

 

[Captain caveman]

Come on, you know the team is knocked out because it played poor. The team is not getting knocked out because it lost the toss, if you were on 8 points now what would you say your team was knocked out for? Treat NRR same as points, if you don't get points you are knocked out, if you don't get enough NRR you are knocked out

True!
But unfair in my honest opinion!

 

[Indiafan]

Bowling first means we are automatically eliminated! - shows what a flawed system this is, two teams can end up on the same points, but team one had no chance of qualifying because it had to bowl first!

I like how you are pretending that batting first is giving you a chance when the highest wins in ODIs in terms of runs is 290 against Ireland

 

[AFM]

Easy peasy.

Score 500

Then blast them out for 175

 

[Captain caveman]

Inspite of all these blunders, you would have chance if Pak got 220 against WI and made them bat 44-45 overs to get there.In that case maybe you needed to beat Ban by some 50-60 runs which is entirely possible.

What people don't seem to understand about nrr is that if you get bowled out cheaply, its better to get bowled out cheaply and QUICKLY! And you will need to try and make the opposition score their runs SLOWLY!
PAkistan getting out for 100 odd against WI would not have hurt their nrr as much if they got out quicly, but more importantly, made WI bat as close to 50 overs as possible, maybe 30 overs, instead of 13 overs WI took to score the runs required!

 

[Major]

Should Pakistan go for it or not?

As the title suggest, should Pakistan go for the Mammoth 450+ or not?

The game is a dead rubber if we dont go for it.

Plus, if we do end up crossing 400, the critics will appreciate Pakistan's intent.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yes. If nothing else beating Bangladesh to pulp will be a revenge for all the losses against them since 2015.

 

[Captain caveman]

Of course they should go for it -
450 or bust!
Will be entertaining!
Of course it will only happen if we bat first, and probably still won't happen!

 

[BDfanforever]

What people don't seem to understand about nrr is that if you get bowled out cheaply, its better to get bowled out cheaply and QUICKLY! And you will need to try and make the opposition score their runs SLOWLY!
PAkistan getting out for 100 odd against WI would not have hurt their nrr as much if they got out quicly, but more importantly, made WI bat as close to 50 overs as possible, maybe 30 overs, instead of 13 overs WI took to score the runs required!

Lol what do you mean by getting out quickly? It doesnt matter if you got bowled out within 10 overs or 20 overs, they will count that full 50 overs against you.

 

[Napa]

This clarifies. Apologies for the confusion.
However these extra runs should be added. Otherwise it is penalty for the team if you bowl out the opposition cheaper?

If you bowl out an opposition before they have played their full 50 overs, say in 45 overs, the number of overs for your "runs against" calculation is taken as 50 rather than 45. This makes the NRR higher (runs for - runs against).

However, if you cover the required total while chasing, say in 30 overs, the number of overs for calculating "runs for" is 30 rather than 50. As number of overs appears in the denominator, it will result in a result in a higher NRR when you use 30 instead of 50 etc.

 

[Napa]

What people don't seem to understand about nrr is that if you get bowled out cheaply, its better to get bowled out cheaply and QUICKLY! And you will need to try and make the opposition score their runs SLOWLY!

This is incorrect. If you lose all 10 wickets "quickly", say in 35 overs, the number of overs that you are deemed to have played for the NRR calculation is still 50 and not 35.

 

[Captain caveman]

Lol what do you mean by getting out quickly? It doesnt matter if you got bowled out within 10 overs or 20 overs, they will count that full 50 overs against you.

I don't believe it works like that!
I may be wrong, but i don't think so!

 

[Captain caveman]

This is incorrect. If you lose all 10 wickets "quickly", say in 35 overs, the number of overs that you are deemed to have played for the NRR calculation is still 50 and not 35.

Are you sure?

(No. of runs scored ÷ by no. Of overs batted) - (no. of runs conceded ÷ by no. of overs the runs were conceded in)

Only overs you have batted are included in the calculation!!!

 

[KP From India]

For eg.
A) Pak getting all out@105 all in 15 overs.NRR counting will be done considering 50 overs And Wi got there in 13 overs.
B) Pak crawl to 220/8 in 50 overs, now they have better batting R/R since now 220 runs considerd in 50 overs instead of 105.If Pak had bowl OK, Wi would have needed 45 overs to get to the target thus improving Pak bowling R/R.
Hence it would not have fallen by much and if you have completed Afg chase 3-4 overs earlier, Pak would have needed to beat Bang by 50-60 runs which is realistic and entirely possible if Pak put 300 runs on the board.

 

[Shafi]

Do people really believe our players have ability to beat a well team spirited side?

 

[Captain caveman]

For eg.
A) Pak getting all out@105 all in 15 overs.NRR counting will be done considering 50 overs And Wi got there in 13 overs.
B) Pak crawl to 220/8 in 50 overs, now they have better batting R/R since now 220 runs considerd in 50 overs instead of 105.If Pak had bowl OK, Wi would have needed 45 overs to get to the target thus improving Pak bowling R/R.
Hence it would not have fallen by much and if you have completed Afg chase 3-4 overs earlier, Pak would have needed to beat Bang by 50-60 runs which is realistic and entirely possible if Pak put 300 runs on the board.

You guys are talking NONSENSE!
ONLY THE OVERS YOU BATTED ARE COUNTED!

Look at chuck's post on page 3 of this thread! (Excellent post chuck bro!)
I have copied and pasted chuck's calculation below:-

Currently Pakistan has scored 1710 runs in 338.5 overs at RR = 5.05
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 303.4 overs at RR = 5.84
Therefore their current NRR = 5.05 - 5.84 = - 0.79

If they have to qualify they need an NRR more than +0.175 (which is NZ's NRR).

In Batting first scenario,
Even if Bangladesh gets bowled out for '0' and Pakistan wins in 1 ball and scores a 6 (maximum run possible in a ball). That would mean
Pakistan has scored 1716 runs in 338.7 overs at RR = 5.07
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 353.4 overs at RR = 5.02
Therefore their NRR would be = 5.07 - 5.02 = +0.05, which is lower than 0.175 and therefore NZ will go through.

 

[baggy blue]

What if Sarfi wins toos and puts Bangladesh to bat. Will fans hate him

Dhoni would have done that instead of trying to chase 500

 

[Napa]

Are you sure?

(No. of runs scored ÷ by no. Of overs batted) - (no. of runs conceded ÷ by no. of overs the runs were conceded in)

Only overs you have batted are included in the calculation!!!

Think about it. A team is given 50 overs to bat. It performs badly and loses 10 wickets in 30 overs. Logically, should it have 30 overs in its account or 50 overs?

 

[Virat_Kohli_fan]

You guys are talking NONSENSE!
ONLY THE OVERS YOU BATTED ARE COUNTED!

Look at chuck's post on page 3 of this thread! (Excellent post chuck bro!)
I have copied and pasted chuck's calculation below:-

Currently Pakistan has scored 1710 runs in 338.5 overs at RR = 5.05
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 303.4 overs at RR = 5.84
Therefore their current NRR = 5.05 - 5.84 = - 0.79

If they have to qualify they need an NRR more than +0.175 (which is NZ's NRR).

In Batting first scenario,
Even if Bangladesh gets bowled out for '0' and Pakistan wins in 1 ball and scores a 6 (maximum run possible in a ball). That would mean
Pakistan has scored 1716 runs in 338.7 overs at RR = 5.07
Pakistan has 1773 runs scored against them in 353.4 overs at RR = 5.02
Therefore their NRR would be = 5.07 - 5.02 = +0.05, which is lower than 0.175 and therefore NZ will go through.

Did you even read the post that you have pasted?

Banglandesh got bowled out for 0 and Pakistan's "against" metric has improved from 1773 / 303.4 to 1773 / 353.4 , same thing will be added to Bangladesh's "for" metric. It does not matter how many overs you get bowled out in, if you get bowled out it counts as 50 overs.

 

[KP From India]

I am fully aware of this and I am fully clear about calculations.
Your NRR will get less beating if you score 220 instead of 100 which clearly means that opposition wull required 25-30 more overs to get the target also with more runs on the board, there is some chance of win.

 

[Snatch]

Am I the only won who thinks Bangladesh would have beaten Pakistan had NZ beaten England, and Paksitan were playing for a semi finals spot?

 

[Captain caveman]

Think about it. A team is given 50 overs to bat. It performs badly and loses 10 wickets in 30 overs. Logically, should it have 30 overs in its account or 50 overs?

Brother,, look at chuck brother's post on page 3 of this thread. Hes calculated the nrr and they are the same as in the table of the teams.
You can't include overs you haven't batted!

 

[Captain]

Going by whats going on recently with team pakistan... Sarfaraz is not even going to win the toss, so all these weird calculations will be chucked out of home cricket at the toss

 

[Captain caveman]

Did you even read the post that you have pasted?

Banglandesh got bowled out for 0 and Pakistan's "against" metric has improved from 1773 / 303.4 to 1773 / 353.4 , same thing will be added to Bangladesh's "for" metric. It does not matter how many overs you get bowled out in, if you get bowled out it counts as 50 overs.

WELL I STAND CORRECTED!
MY BAD, APOLOGIES EVERYONE!
It seems that if you get bowled out in the first innings then your score is divided by the full 50 overs!
Seems strange to me, but if thats how it is, then thats how it is!
Apologies once again for my mistake!

 

[Captain caveman]

Am I the only won who thinks Bangladesh would have beaten Pakistan had NZ beaten England, and Paksitan were playing for a semi finals spot?

If you are thinking about that NOW, then yes, but if that was the case, then alot of us would of been worrying about that too!

 

[Captain caveman]

Think about it. A team is given 50 overs to bat. It performs badly and loses 10 wickets in 30 overs. Logically, should it have 30 overs in its account or 50 overs?

You were right bro, my mistake!
Sorry about that!

 

[Captain caveman]

Are you sure?

(No. of runs scored ÷ by no. Of overs batted) - (no. of runs conceded ÷ by no. of overs the runs were conceded in)

Only overs you have batted are included in the calculation!!!

CORRECTION:

No. of runs scored ÷ by 50 overs) - (no. of runs conceded ÷ by no. of overs the runs were conceded in)

 

[jiduguravindra]

NO!
Team b had an opportunity within the game to win, but team a restricted them and will win instead.
Pakistan lose the toss and bangladesh decide to bat first, pakistan are eliminated from the wc!
THIS IS A FLAWED SYSTEM!
Being eliminated by a coin toss, even if pakistan win the game!

Pak lost it's first match badly. They knew, they need to win matches quite comfortably to cover for heavy defeat, yet they played normal cricket for the remaining 7 games. You are blaming system as flawed.They had 7 games in hand to cover for that loss and yet they done nothing and u are crying as this is a 3 match series.
Single system for every team and its pak fault to play poorly.

 

[RJNind]

Going by whats going on recently with team pakistan... Sarfaraz is not even going to win the toss, so all these weird calculations will be chucked out of home cricket at the toss

What is BD wins to toss and decides to bowl

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Because pak will go for broke, bangladesh has excellent chance to win.

Its a dead rubber..

 

[Captain caveman]

Pak lost it's first match badly. They knew, they need to win matches quite comfortably to cover for heavy defeat, yet they played normal cricket for the remaining 7 games. You are blaming system as flawed.They had 7 games in hand to cover for that loss and yet they done nothing and u are crying as this is a 3 match series.
Single system for every team and its pak fault to play poorly.

System is flawed as we beat the higher ranked teams compared to NZ!
so if we end up on the same points, its equivalent to NZ being in an easier group and us being in a harder group, as we won against the higher ranked teams and obviously our nrr will be lower!
Flawed system!

 

[DeadlyYorker]

System is flawed as we beat the higher ranked teams compared to NZ!
so if we end up on the same points, its equivalent to NZ being in an easier group and us being in a harder group, as we won against the higher ranked teams and obviously our nrr will be lower!
Flawed system!

When you sit at bottom,everyone else is a top team.when you fall into a hole its your fault to not lookout where you are walking..

System is flawed when methods arent pre-decided and you didnt know what you needed to qualify.

As you said winning with more margin is hard vs top teams.

So is easy to win vs lower rank teams.if you not only not win but lose really really badly then you sure as hell dont deserve to be qualified

 

[GLORY OF '92]

We must go for it but will be dismissed quickly.

 

[Shafi]

Pak lost it's first match badly. They knew, they need to win matches quite comfortably to cover for heavy defeat, yet they played normal cricket for the remaining 7 games. You are blaming system as flawed.They had 7 games in hand to cover for that loss and yet they done nothing and u are crying as this is a 3 match series.
Single system for every team and its pak fault to play poorly.

Fully agree!!!!
Our team never even think for NRR. Once we are winning stage we let 2 English batsmen to score hundred and hope they failed after that.
We did same thing with Australia, brainless slogging instead of getting closer to the target and smash.
With India we never looked for winning its played defensively and hope for the best.
We let S Africa to reduce to margin of defeat from 100+ to 60 odds
With NZ we were more worry about wickets and hundreds than NRR and took the match in 50th overs
With Afghan we were never hurry to bowl them out quickly
and so on.....

Our team never look for semi to start with. They just want to play for the sake of play.
Deserve no to go semi.

 

[xbronze]

Win the toss. Bat first and go for broke.

Open with Asif Ali and Fakhar.

I have no issue at all of we lose by playing this way.

Its time for cornered tigers speech. Play freely.

We have already over achieved in this world cup and so anything else is a bonus.

First 500 to be scored this friday. In sha Allah

That highlighted portion above is what is the number one problem with Pakistan cricket and Pakistani way of thinking. As long as you have that mindset the downward spiral shall continue.

And you are not the only one writing that. So many Pak cricket fans on this board have reverted to that argument.

 

[Savak]

Fully agree!!!!
Our team never even think for NRR. Once we are winning stage we let 2 English batsmen to score hundred and hope they failed after that.
We did same thing with Australia, brainless slogging instead of getting closer to the target and smash.
With India we never looked for winning its played defensively and hope for the best.
We let S Africa to reduce to margin of defeat from 100+ to 60 odds
With NZ we were more worry about wickets and hundreds than NRR and took the match in 50th overs
With Afghan we were never hurry to bowl them out quickly
and so on.....

Our team never look for semi to start with. They just want to play for the sake of play.
Deserve no to go semi.

The team gambled on having more points and making up for the low net run rate

 

[last_knight]

Are you sure?

(No. of runs scored ÷ by no. Of overs batted) - (no. of runs conceded ÷ by no. of overs the runs were conceded in)

Only overs you have batted are included in the calculation!!!

If bowled out in 20 overs, it counts as 50 overs wrt NRR.

 

[Kianig89]

living in fools paradise just play for pride and ensure you win Bdesh are no pushovers

 

[Captain caveman]

When you sit at bottom,everyone else is a top team.when you fall into a hole its your fault to not lookout where you are walking..

System is flawed when methods arent pre-decided and you didnt know what you needed to qualify.

As you said winning with more margin is hard vs top teams.

So is easy to win vs lower rank teams.if you not only not win but lose really really badly then you sure as hell dont deserve to be qualified

We didn't get to play all the lower ranked teams i.e.SL
NZ didn't play all the higher ranked teams i.e. india

So the system is flawed!
You can disagree if you want, thats your right, but it doesn't mean you are RIGHT!

 

[PaceOverEverything]

500 coming up tomorrow 110% need big scores and smart running between wickets. What will all the neighbours pretending to be Pakistanis on this forum do then?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Guys with all due respect, please refrain from creating such threads. I believe Bangladesh has played well, punched above its weight but not aswell as they should have with four players with the experience of four World Cups.

However, they deserve the utmost respect. Such threads disrespect the opposition and the game aswell.

We are out of the World Cup. Let's just end this WC on a good note and go home to introspect on our issues.

 

[Savak]

Literally the team needs to aim for 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over

 

[MenInG]

Literally the team needs to aim for 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over

So whilst we score 1000s of runs, we expect BD to be bowled out for low score on this same pitch?

What is this? Book cricket?

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

So whilst we score 1000s of runs, we expect BD to be bowled out for low score on this same pitch?

What is this? Book cricket?

Being realistic "if" pak bat first they can get 330-340 maximum. Even sarfraz says today they will go for 500. It's like zakhmon per namak

 

[JellyBro]

Lol they're going to lose the toss and that will be the end of it. Bang will bat first and score 300+. Pak ain't winning this. You cant motivate these guys to play hard in meaningful games let alone lost causes.