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How big would Pakistan have to beat Bangladesh to surpass on points table?

Savak said:
Literally the team needs to aim for 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over
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This is what we need to do. You can go around 10 an over with 2 boundaries each over which brings up 500. Teams have scored 260 or so in T20s which is more than 12 an over. And more importantly though people forget England's highest score is 481 in England against Australia. 500 is possible, and it's a unique situation, no team goes in aiming for 500 and bat so recklessly, so if we do bat recklessly and by luck do not lose wickets, we could make it. Certainly if it were a batting team like England or India here, there'd be much greater chance.

Scoring 550 or so would leave us with a 200 or so total to defend which would be a match. Hence I would aim for 550.

It's even less likely to just bowl out Bangladesh for a sub 300 score, Bangladesh won't want the humiliation of causing Pakistan to go through by not even getting a hundred or so score, they'll just bat out the overs if the score's too large. Which is why we really need a 200 min total to defend, at least 4 an over.

I realise it's basically impossible but if it were say England here, I'm sure they'd go for the 500 total than leave it up to bowling.
 
How can Pakistan Defeat NRR | Method for Madness

Disclaimer: This Thread is not meant for Faint-hearted

So, This is going to be one wild thread. Idea is to makes sense of that little mathematical probability of reaching in Semi's Pakistan has and how to realistically approach it because in the given circumstances. If Pakistan call correctly in toss than how can they make sense of the near impossible task which lies ahead of them.

I do accept at the very outset that chances of winning the toss is 50-50 where as probability of what am I suggesting is hardly 1 Percent but I would Like Pakistan to give it a go after all its a question of booking a berth in Semi.

The good news for Pakistan is that if their is one team against whom you can do the audacity of thinking what i am suggesting than its Bangladesh
They have conceded the most number of runs as compared to any other team in this World cup.

Of the 7 Matches they have played Bangladesh has conceded a Gigantic 2153 Runs aggregate. That comes to 307 Runs average per game holy cow they must be having worst bowling attack it seems if we go by the record.

Average Opening Partnership against Them is Staggering 81 and thanks to Kiwis and WI or this would have been far worst. How many times have they taken 2 or more wickets under power play? well only once, against Kiwis and we know that Kiwis openers are walking wickets.

Bangladesh with Exception of Shakib and Fizz with old ball lack penetration in their bowling discipline which has been weakest in this tournament. IF Pakistan has to climb the mountain which they have to now than Pakistan can certainly take lot of heart from the fact.

Second, Aspect of the challenge is that Pakistan has to assemble a "Crack" team for the task and it means that Imam will have to sit out and Asif will open with Fakhar.

Pakistan best chance is to launch blistering assault in the Powerplay where only fielders are allowed outside the circle.

Target Score for 1st Powerplay 10 Overs : 130 to 150

No.3 can be Imad or Wahab. The only way to get to any score near 450 is
to have an explosive start and get maximum of Powerplays

Target score for overs between 10 to 40 2nd Powerplay 7.5 runs per over means 220-225 in 30 overs

Now you have 4 fielders outside the circle. You don't have to go crazy in the middle overs but target to get 75 per 60 balls. Babar and Sohail must control these overs. You can play conventional cricket with few big hits to maintain a health run rate.

Target score for final Powerplay 40 to 50 overs: minimum 9 to 10

Throw entire kitchen sink here. Get as many as possible although, Fizz with old ball is a tough cookie so you might look to take less risk against him as compared to others.

Lets do the total 135 1st Powerplay , 225 end and 100 in final you get a total of 460.

Look Pakistan doesn't have any other options but to on all guns blazing if they win the crucial toss. when you think about a total of 450 etc it does look far off but once you break it down in smaller units than mathematical probability start favoring you for e.g chances of scoring 130-140 runs in 1st Powerplay are much higher than chances of scoring 450.

Interestingly the record of highest total in First 10 overs is held by Pakistan and it was 147 against Zimbabwe in 2004. Lanka has scored 133/10 overs against England.

Similarly can 75 runs be scored in 10 overs between over number 10 to 40 and certainly that appears to be far more doable.

World Cup comes after every 4 years. If Sarfaraz boys try to go for it which they must than their is a method to this madness. If they need to beat Math well it has to be with Math only.

Highest score in ODI by any country is 481 by England and Australia so, it has been done before and can be done again. Pakistan though doesn't have hitters of England Capability but they have scored 370 odd against England Recently.

Pakistan will need a miracle to beat the steep mountain created by NRR.
the chances of it happening are very less but boy if they go for it and get anywhere near it surely will be a match to remember.

I see this team fighting through their teeth against all the odds and limitations. Last match was won by Lion heart Wahab who played with a fractured Finger and Imad who showed tremendous maturing and presence of mind under dire situation

This team has really punched above their weight and shown tremendous fighting spirit coming back from crushing defeats and overzealous criticism. Pakistan fans must cut the slack and get behind their team when they need you most Analysis and reactions can wait

"Go Sarfaraz Boys and give it a wholehearted crack" even if they fail I will be saying "Boyz played well"




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The whole system is flawed because Pakistan could not reach semis! Coin was biased, umpires were biased, Pitch was nosed, commentators were biased, umpires were biased, Hotdog seller was biased, weather god was biased, boundary sizes were biased....

The whole purpose of this tournament was to humiliate Pakistan! Let’s sue ICC, BCCI, Lords...

Grow up guys! Let’s enjoy tomorrow’s match!
 
My thread of 600 runs is not to be found. I think 600 is achievable as well. 12 an over, in this modern day and age, is perfectly possible. Asif Ali should be sent to bat 50 overs. His job is to not get out. And so should Fakhar. They will make up for the balls lost and score a mammoth total.

15-20 runs an over when only 2 fielders outside= first 10=150-200 perfect for fakhar and asif ali

10 runs an over for over 11-40= 300= perfect for hassan ali, wahab & imad

10-15 runs an over for 40-50= 100-150 =perfect for remaining
 
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If this team has punched above its weight (as you have claimed here) and result is hardly defeating an AFG team, what should be the term for making 500 runs? It wont be just punching above weight anymore.
 
Inshallah Pakistan will do it. They are cornered tigers after all. #WeHaveWeWill
 
Right now I am divided between what do I need to pray harder for: winning the toss or winning the game.
 
If Pakistan bin the toss then 400 is possible.
If the wicket slows down then there is a chance to bowl them out for around 150.

So much depends on the toss though
 
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Everyone should recite the Kalma and aim to hit a six and a boundary of every ball if they get to bat first, the target should be 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over, the spinners should be massacred, they all need to be taken apart for a minimum of 120 runs each
 
Ok here is a small clue, anyone remembers India v Sri lanka final at Sharjah in 1999-2000. Jayasuriya scored 189 and Sri lanka scored 299.

India were bowled out for 54.
If Pakistan scores 475,they need to put Asif Ali in for that. And ensure they go all guns blazing.

I can give one another example, i think it was T20 World cup of 2014, or I think it was Scotland who had to score 186 from 13.3 overs to progress into the world cup. they did it.
 
I would be satisfied even if Pak scores 350+ let alone 500-600.
 
Simple, treat this 50 over game as 2 T20s and 1 10 over game..


Need to make 600, either go big or go home!!!!!!
 
Savak said:
Everyone should recite the Kalma and aim to hit a six and a boundary of every ball if they get to bat first, the target should be 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over, the spinners should be massacred, they all need to be taken apart for a minimum of 120 runs each
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What if Bangladeshi bowlers recite the Kalima too? I hope Bangladesh selects maximum number of non-muslim players tomorrow so that we dominate the Kalima to Kalima ratio.
 
Formula for 600:

Phase 1:

15-20 run/over, in 10 overs with Fakhar & Asif Ali = 150-200

a) Very crucial yet easy phase for total to be 500+
b) Possible as only 2 fielders outside
c) Game strategy: Don't play the ball which is above chest high. Target shorter boundaries.

Yuvraj hit 12 ball 50 in T20. 6 sixes in an over, he hit that. It's practically possible.

Phase 2:

10 run/ over, in 11-40 overs with Wahab, Hassan Ali, Hafeez, Babar, Imad = 300 runs

4, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1

a) Boundary each over.
b) Run well. Single each ball and one double in an over.
c) Possible as only 4 fielders outside
d) Game strategy: Keep wickets in hand. Play the ball gently for chance of double

Phase 3:

10 run/ over, or 15 run/ over, in 41-50, with Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Shadab, Sarfraz

a) Very crucial stage. If scored 200 in phase 1, very easy last phase.
b) Boundary each over.
c) Single each ball or double in an over.
d) Game strategy: Don't play dot balls. Target shorter boundaries
e) Bit difficult as ball is old. And 5 fielders outside, that's why Phase 1 is the most crucial

Best of Luck!
 
I've cracked it.

Aim to hit 30 sixes = 180 runs.

Average run a ball off the other deliveries = 270 runs

Total = 550 runs

Finally Bowl out Bangladesh for under 200.

Pakistan will win in excess of 350 runs and go through to the semi finals.

Open the batting with Asif Ali instead of Imam-ul-Haq and bring Hasan Ali into the team, to enhance the firepower potential in this batting line-up.

Whoever shares this to Mickey Arthur (in time for tomorrow's game) can take all the credit.
 
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topspin said:
I've cracked it.

Aim to hit 30 sixes = 180 runs.

Average run a ball off the other deliveries = 270 runs

Total = 550 runs

Finally Bowl out Bangladesh for under 200.

Pakistan will win in excess of 350 runs and go through to the semi finals.

Open the batting with Asif Ali instead of Imam-ul-Haq and bring Hasan Ali into the team, to enhance the firepower potential in this batting line-up.

Whoever shares this to Mickey Arthur can take all the credit.
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180 + 270 = 450, not 550
 
topspin said:
I've cracked it.

Aim to hit 30 sixes = 180 runs.

Average run a ball off the other deliveries = 270 runs

Total = 550 runs

Finally Bowl out Bangladesh for under 200.

Pakistan will win in excess of 350 runs and go through to the semi finals.

Open the batting with Asif Ali instead of Imam-ul-Haq and bring Hasan Ali into the team, to enhance the firepower potential in this batting line-up.

Whoever shares this to Mickey Arthur (in time for tomorrow's game) can take all the credit.
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This could have been achievable if England had to bat on a flat pitch...
 
All they have to do is score

Overs 1-10 @ 10 R/O
Overs 11-20 @ 10 R/O
Overs 21-30 @ 10 R/O
Overs 31-40 @ 10 R/O
Overs 41-50 @ 10 R/O
Then Aamir should take 3 wickets in the 1st over and Wahab should take 2 in the second over and bundle Bangladesh out for 45 in 10 overs.
 
I dont know whether to laugh or cry. Guys, be realustic. Its good to dream as it gives motivation but you also have to realize what is ground reality.

Even if gayle bats for 11 times, this simply isnt possible.
 
adil79 said:
Formula for 600:

Phase 1:

15-20 run/over, in 10 overs with Fakhar & Asif Ali = 150-200

a) Very crucial yet easy phase for total to be 500+
b) Possible as only 2 fielders outside
c) Game strategy: Don't play the ball which is above chest high. Target shorter boundaries.

Yuvraj hit 12 ball 50 in T20. 6 sixes in an over, he hit that. It's practically possible.

Phase 2:

10 run/ over, in 11-40 overs with Wahab, Hassan Ali, Hafeez, Babar, Imad = 300 runs

4, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1

a) Boundary each over.
b) Run well. Single each ball and one double in an over.
c) Possible as only 4 fielders outside
d) Game strategy: Keep wickets in hand. Play the ball gently for chance of double

Phase 3:

10 run/ over, or 15 run/ over, in 41-50, with Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Shadab, Sarfraz

a) Very crucial stage. If scored 200 in phase 1, very easy last phase.
b) Boundary each over.
c) Single each ball or double in an over.
d) Game strategy: Don't play dot balls. Target shorter boundaries
e) Bit difficult as ball is old. And 5 fielders outside, that's why Phase 1 is the most crucial

Best of Luck!
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Oh my god this made me laugh formula for 600 hahaha. We should aim for 475-500. They should bring in the ropes for this match 50-60 metre boundaries lol atleast give us the opportunity. :D
 
Thought this was a joke thread, but nah LMA0. Now I've got no doubt that Pakistan will pull this off and win the WC. Soon enough they'll qualify for the Universe World Cup and end up defeating Andromeda XI in the final.
 
So the highest odi score was by England v australia 481. We are only asking pakistan to do what has already been done before, match it. Most improbable, but something that has been done! Please win the toss and match the effort.
 
topspin said:
I've cracked it.

Aim to hit 30 sixes = 180 runs.

Average run a ball off the other deliveries = 270 runs

Total = 550 runs

Finally Bowl out Bangladesh for under 200.

Pakistan will win in excess of 350 runs and go through to the semi finals.

Open the batting with Asif Ali instead of Imam-ul-Haq and bring Hasan Ali into the team, to enhance the firepower potential in this batting line-up.

Whoever shares this to Mickey Arthur (in time for tomorrow's game) can take all the credit.
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Shadeed qism ka zehni dhajka. :lala 180+270=550.
 
A team that gets bowled out for around 100 doesn’t deserve to be in the semis. Take this World Cup as a teachable moment to reform PCB structures and team mentality and nothing more. A defeat that teaches you a lesson is better than a victory that doesn’t. Pakistan has already punched above its weight and beaten 2/4 semi finalists
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Asif Ali
3) Harris Sohail
4) Hafeez
5) Malik
6) Babar Azam
7) Hasan Ali
8) Wahab Riaz
9) Sarfaraz
10) Shadab
11) Amir

I think this is the best possible eleven with hitting potential in most positions and you have bowling options as well.
 
Knowing ICC we will get a slow, turning wicket. Probably nothing like the roads England have been given for their must-win games! Any ideas on what the Lords pitches are like?
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Bro, try upragded version to crack. We are waiting for the results :ramiz
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You do realise I wasn't being serious when I came up with that post? I was joking but yes I made silly mistake with my numeracy, which is actually my strongest field. It shows I'm only human.
 
Apparently Asif Ali was benched in the WC to give a fighting chance to other teams
 
topspin said:
You do realise I wasn't being serious when I came up with that post? I was joking but yes I made silly mistake with my numeracy, which is actually my strongest field. It shows I'm only human.
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Chill. I was just joking. It's difficult right now to accept defeat. I know
 
The biggest margin of win in ODI history is 290 runs. Pakistan needs to better that. More than 4000 ODIs have been played overall. So the probability of what Pakistan needs to do is much less than 1% (mentioned in OP).
 
They need to score 680 with Fakhar and Asif needs to score 200+ individually

We all know how good Asif buttler can be and Fakhar zaman can also score 200 because he is already done this before.
 
This is a hilarious thread :)))

Even if we make 500 by some miracle, we won’t be able to restrict Bangladesh to under 200
 
I stopped reading after Wahab as opener :)) He's a sitting duck against any swing.
 
@ZaltzCricket: To illustrate problem with Net Run Rate as currently configured... in the 2015 group stage match, Aus 151 all out (32.2) lost to NZ 152-9 (23.1). A knife-edge match with almost nothing between the teams. But a massive NRR difference: NZ +3.54, Aus -3.54.

@ZaltzCricket: @krakinkrish All out scores count as having used 50 overs. So Aus 151/50 (3.02), NZ 152/23.1 (6.56).

MenInG said:
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West Indies rate was +5.08 after they beat us in the first match.
 
Savak said:
Everyone should recite the Kalma and aim to hit a six and a boundary of every ball if they get to bat first, the target should be 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over, the spinners should be massacred, they all need to be taken apart for a minimum of 120 runs each
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Madplayer said:
What if Bangladeshi bowlers recite the Kalima too? I hope Bangladesh selects maximum number of non-muslim players tomorrow so that we dominate the Kalima to Kalima ratio.
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so the world cup now is as much a Kalima reciting competition as it is a cricket skills competition
 
Savak said:
Everyone should recite the Kalma and aim to hit a six and a boundary of every ball if they get to bat first, the target should be 2 boundaries and 2 sixes every over, the spinners should be massacred, they all need to be taken apart for a minimum of 120 runs each
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Legit
 
Pakistan must destroy spinners tomorrow.

450 is possible after which you only need to get Bangladesh out for 140
 
Lol at Abdul Razzaq. "The only way they can reach the semi final is renaming the karachi airport as semi final"
 
Obaidd said:
The biggest margin of win in ODI history is 290 runs. Pakistan needs to better that. More than 4000 ODIs have been played overall. So the probability of what Pakistan needs to do is much less than 1% (mentioned in OP).
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0.001% actually.
 
Executioner said:
0.001% actually.
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Its is but never has the need arouse to score this much and with field restrictions flat wickets things have changed.

If you search for above 400 scores you will find least 10 in last 7 years
 
Elite teams with elite players like England, Australia, and India wouldn't score 600 even on flat pitches in ODIs. How can you even think it's a possibility for a average team like Pakistan?

We are out. Just let it go [MENTION=149706]adil79[/MENTION]
 
Hasan123 said:
Elite teams with elite players like England, Australia, and India wouldn't score 600 even on flat pitches in ODIs. How can you even think it's a possibility for a average team like Pakistan?

We are out. Just let it go [MENTION=149706]adil79[/MENTION]
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Aim for 400 to 420 and back Amir / Hasnain / Wahab to do some damage with the new ball. That is our only hope.
 
loves_cricket said:
What is bigger ever score in ODI and how much Pakistan scored highest ever in ODI
Just for info only
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Highest ODI score is 481 by England. Pakistan’s highest ODI score in 399 against Zimbabwe in 2018....
 
msb314 said:
Aim for 400 to 420 and back Amir / Hasnain / Wahab to do some damage with the new ball. That is our only hope.
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Our new ball skills haven't been great in this tournament other than Amir.

I don't see Bangladesh collapsing for a low total.

I don't get why some people just can't accept we are out.
 
Captain caveman said:
We didn't get to play all the lower ranked teams i.e.SL
NZ didn't play all the higher ranked teams i.e. india

So the system is flawed!
You can disagree if you want, thats your right, but it doesn't mean you are RIGHT!
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The same happened in 1992 when Pak won the world cup. Didnt hear any complaining about this then from Pak fans.
 
Hasan123 said:
Our new ball skills haven't been great in this tournament other than Amir.

I don't see Bangladesh collapsing for a low total.

I don't get why some people just can't accept we are out.
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We are facing impossible odds and no shame in losing if we really give it a go. I think everyone has accepted that...

The benefit of posting 400+ will be that Bangladesh will be under serious pressure and of course our bowlers will pumped having all momentum on our side... I guess that’s the only thing we can bank on.
 
msb314 said:
We are facing impossible odds and no shame in losing if we really give it a go. I think everyone has accepted that...

The benefit of posting 400+ will be that Bangladesh will be under serious pressure and of course our bowlers will pumped having all momentum on our side... I guess that’s the only thing we can bank on.
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It's not even realistic so there is no point in going for it. If the team want to try and go for it they can. But for me we should be trying to win the game instead of trying to do something that is completely unrealistic.
 
I'm sure tomorrow when their is a dot ball that would be played pak fans will be fuming lol but honestly I do hope they go for it I don't see it happening but even if you have a 1 percent chance you must go for it
 
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