How can the PSL be upgraded to compete with IPL?

[OMB]

The question was for you as you were the one who wanted to tap them for PSL. I didn’t mention anything about needing them for IPL, so don’t change the topic.

Wouldn’t buying a piece of a Turkish football be a safer investment for these Arabs given the better governance, infrastructure and security situation in Turkey? That would also tick the “brotherly Muslim country” box as well ….

Rich Arab became rich by investing wisely. Didn't fall in the brotherly muslim country mindset when investing in EPL or London docks

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Clearly the recent events have indicated that money talks. BCCI is able to flex its muscles because of its IPL cash cow.

If the PCB is to gain clout, it will need to invest in the PSL and offer IPL level salaries to foreign players to attract big talent. How can this be done? Should franchises be created and sold to rich foreign companies? There is clearly a market for cricket in Pakistan and PSL has been a success in terms of viewership.

A massive cash injection is needed in the PSL. The question is how can this be pursued?

Introspection might go some way in changing the perception.

 

[Titan24]

I thought the max pay the PSL was offering was $300,000. Apparently it is $160,000 and the PCB is considering raising this to $250,000 under the hopes of attracting the best players. Lol, which world are they living in? You will not compete with the IPL with these pay scales

I think it was USD 170,000 in platinum category for 2021, it was slashed by 25% due to covid.

I think target should be to take it around max of USD 500,000 with salary of platinum category of players ranging from USD 300,000 to 500,000. That would be able to bring most of the best in the business.

This will require extra investment of around 1 to 1.5 mln USD give or take from each franchise in order to scale all the categories up accordingly.

 

[Mamoon]

Looks like the government of Pakistan has found the solution: beg the richest man of Pakistan origin to invest in PSL.

 

[Savak]

Looks like the government of Pakistan has found the solution: beg the richest man of Pakistan origin to invest in PSL.

Uh. Can you my friend for once, just once, Il treat you to dinner if necessary just mention something positive, constructive or even something workable regarding Pakistan rather than making merry at the expense of the land you live in?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pretty much spot on and my thinking too. Our nation overall has to improve more when it comes economy and things will follow from there.

Our aim should be to solidify our place as the second best league. And complete a couple of seasons fully in Pakistan.

Yes that should be the aim. There's probably Pakistanis who pay to watch IPL, especially some of the shameless cheerleaders who post here, so there is plenty of untapped paying customers...but the product has to be right. PSL is not bad actually, but whether they can get past the political stuff going on is the big question. Will be difficult to get international players in Pakistan if govts are doing an India and actively trying to prevent it.

 

[JaDed]

As someone already said , people need to associate themselves with a city. India has various cities and less teams(Gujarat ,Haryana, UP, MP, Kerala,Orissa don’t even have a regular team inspite of huge population) , IPL also used to screen matches in tier 2-3 cities to make themselves associated with one.

CSK has support of entire Tamil Nadu and due to Dhoni support of Jharkhand, Bihar..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Simple - PAY MORE

Cricketers dont care about India, they only go for the money. If another paid more, they'd go there instead.

 

[street cricketer]

As someone already said , people need to associate themselves with a city. India has various cities and less teams(Gujarat ,Haryana, UP, MP, Kerala,Orissa don’t even have a regular team inspite of huge population) , IPL also used to screen matches in tier 2-3 cities to make themselves associated with one.

CSK has support of entire Tamil Nadu and due to Dhoni support of Jharkhand, Bihar..

CSK used to have a lot of fans from Delhi as well before Delhi actually became a good team.

 

[JaDed]

CSK used to have a lot of fans from Delhi as well before Delhi actually became a good team.

Delhi was good in first two seasons, i think its a terrible team, biggest duds of IPL -Punjab and Delhi.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Simple - PAY MORE

Cricketers dont care about India, they only go for the money. If another paid more, they'd go there instead.

Well, you are right, but a couple of problems:

1) Govt interference would mean some players from certain nations would find a lot of obstacles put in their way even if they did want to participate.

2) The money has to come from somewhere to pay these massive contracts. IPL money wasn't magicked out of thin air, I imagine it was costed thoroughly and investors were confident the return would be worth it. If that hasn't happened in Pakistan then obviously the infrastructure just isn't there yet. I mean they were still broadcasting the games analogue up until last year, not even HD never mind 4K.

 

[Mamoon]

Simple - PAY MORE

Cricketers dont care about India, they only go for the money. If another paid more, they'd go there instead.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that for PSL to achieve parity with IPL, it needs to have similar financial resources.

Unfortunately for Pakistan cricket, it not possible.

 

[Mamoon]

Uh. Can you my friend for once, just once, Il treat you to dinner if necessary just mention something positive, constructive or even something workable regarding Pakistan rather than making merry at the expense of the land you live in?

No.

 

[Sher Khan]

No.

If Shahid Khan invests in PSL, no reason why we can't reach the level of IPL.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If Shahid Khan invests in PSL, no reason why we can't reach the level of IPL.

Shahid Khan is one billionaire worth 8 billion. Ambani is 96 billion. Plus like 50 more billionaires worth much more. And the ones who have invested already in IPL, why would they sit back and let PSL take over.
There is no comparison or competition.

 

[Savak]

Shahid Khan is one billionaire worth 8 billion. Ambani is 96 billion. Plus like 50 more billionaires worth much more. And the ones who have invested already in IPL, why would they sit back and let PSL take over.
There is no comparison or competition.

Does a league even need billionaires? Even the IPL is only paying the players a pittance vs the personal fortunes of the owners. Even someone with a net worth of $100 million can afford to pay a few players around $1-2 million

 

[Napa]

PSL doesn't need to overtake IPL for cricket to be successful in Pakistan.

All that Pakistanis need is more professionalism. NZ with a much smaller market than Pakistan recently reached the ODI WC final and won the WTC.

Becoming larger than a league of a country which has a 7 times larger population isn't going to happen, but it is not necessary for becoming a top team.

 

[Savak]

PSL doesn't need to overtake IPL for cricket to be successful in Pakistan.

All that Pakistanis need is more professionalism. NZ with a much smaller market than Pakistan recently reached the ODI WC final and won the WTC.

Becoming larger than a league of a country which has a 7 times larger population isn't going to happen, but it is not necessary for becoming a top team.

Being undisputed No 2 is a realistic aim. The PSL needs to offer a minimum of $1 million to attract the creme IPL non Indian players

 

[Cricfan4eva]

2) The money has to come from somewhere to pay these massive contracts. IPL money wasn't magicked out of thin air, I imagine it was costed thoroughly and investors were confident the return would be worth it. If that hasn't happened in Pakistan then obviously the infrastructure just isn't there yet. I mean they were still broadcasting the games analogue up until last year, not even HD never mind 4K.

This is a good point but this isn't down to PCB. It's down to the broadcaster. What somehow gets missed is the big 3 have a really big broadcaster behind them. Sky, Fox and Star. They have heavily invested in sports and worked with boards to make cricket marketable.

IPL was sold for 8200 crores for 10 years bo Sony. Now Sony didn't really do much in 10 years to innovate IPL broadcasting. And it showed in their 10,000 crore bid for the next rights cycle.

However Star surprised everyone and bid a whopping 16,000 crore. Everyone laughed at them then, and said it was a deal they'd never recover. They heavily invested beyond those rights money and now stream IPL in 8 languages + 2 to 3 extra fun feeds. And are laughing their way to bank while also establishing themselves as home of Indian cricket with BCCI + IPL rights.

Pakistan needs a broadcaster who can work with PCB to make the cricket (be it played in UAE or Pak) a product, ad companies want to throw money it. As simple as that.

The reason IPL is valued the way it is, is how it's presented and that can only be done by a broadcaster and a board willing to make their life easier without compromising the sport.

 

[Savak]

This is a good point but this isn't down to PCB. It's down to the broadcaster. What somehow gets missed is the big 3 have a really big broadcaster behind them. Sky, Fox and Star. They have heavily invested in sports and worked with boards to make cricket marketable.

IPL was sold for 8200 crores for 10 years bo Sony. Now Sony didn't really do much in 10 years to innovate IPL broadcasting. And it showed in their 10,000 crore bid for the next rights cycle.

However Star surprised everyone and bid a whopping 16,000 crore. Everyone laughed at them then, and said it was a deal they'd never recover. They heavily invested beyond those rights money and now stream IPL in 8 languages + 2 to 3 extra fun feeds. And are laughing their way to bank while also establishing themselves as home of Indian cricket with BCCI + IPL rights.

Pakistan needs a broadcaster who can work with PCB to make the cricket (be it played in UAE or Pak) a product, ad companies want to throw money it. As simple as that.

The reason IPL is valued the way it is, is how it's presented and that can only be done by a broadcaster and a board willing to make their life easier without compromising the sport.

Sky and Fox sell one combined broadcast deal to the ECB and CA to cover all their international and domestic games. I doubt whether the English Natwest T-20 league and the Big Bash have big eye balls and therefore their broadcast valuation alone will pale in comparison to the IPL Broadcast deal.

BCCI and the PCB have segregated their T-20 League broadcasts from their international and domestic deals.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Shahid Khan invests in PSL, no reason why we can't reach the level of IPL.

Well whats stops the IPL from upping the ante?

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Such a sad state of affairs, we are commenting on competing throwing large wads of money around.
Skills, talent, desire to perform taking a back seat.
Sad.

 

[OMB]

Well whats stops the IPL from upping the ante?

IPL is increasing to about 10 teams and going to taken more foreign players now

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL is increasing to about 10 teams and going to taken more foreign players now

IPL broadcast rights are going to be sold this year for 5 years and they are expecting to go past 4.5bn. Some say even 6bn may be achieved.

Expect salary cap to be raised further and salaries to go even higher due to 10 bidders now.

 

[Mamoon]

If Shahid Khan invests in PSL, no reason why we can't reach the level of IPL.

- Ambani can employ Shahid as his personal butler.

- Shahid is not interested in Pakistan and Pakistan cricket. He will probably tell the government to get lost.

- even if he invests and PSL can attract some top names, IPL will go up a notch and kill the competition again.

 

[drubwrubnat]

- Ambani can employ Shahid as his personal butler.

- Shahid is not interested in Pakistan and Pakistan cricket. He will probably tell the government to get lost.

- even if he invests and PSL can attract some top names, IPL will go up a notch and kill the competition again.

Bring in the cavalry ! Long live the good sons of Pakistan

 

[Cric_lover4487]

If he was serious he would have already invested in PSL rather than AEW. Rich arab sheikhs would have financed Pak's soccer team rather than buying European soccer clubs. Money is the biggest god out there. Everyone bows down to it.

 

[someone21]

The usual suspects talking nonsense. IPL and PSL are played in different times and schedule, there is no direct competition between them ever.

So money itself is never the issue. Why aren't the same foreign players in IPL, not attracted to PSL which occurs in different months?

It's simply about prestige, leverage, and level of cricket. PSL struggles big time....

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

IPL was sold for 8200 crores for 10 years bo Sony. Now Sony didn't really do much in 10 years to innovate IPL broadcasting. And it showed in their 10,000 crore bid for the next rights cycle.

What you didn't mention is that Sony bid Rs. 11,050 crore only for Indian TV broadcasting rights. Star bid Rs. 16,348 crore for the worldwide rights, for not just TV but also worldwide digital rights. In the individual broadcast rights in each category, Star actually lagged behind their competitors and offered only Rs. 6,196 crore for broadcast rights compared to Sony's Rs. 11,050 crore and Rs. 1,443 crore for digital rights compared to Facebook's Rs. 3,900 crore.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Er, everyone is missing the crucial point - India has 1.3 Billion viewers, this alone has a massive effect on media rights and commercials.

Everything else is moot.

Er, if that was the 'crucial' point - pak and bd would be runner up and semifinalists in every ICC tourney, ranked num 2 and 3 as a team as well as in bowling and batting rankings.

i see this argument about population bandied about, the reason for our economic success.

Amongst a lot of other things, an innovative spirit, a zeal for innovation and pioneering ideals drive us in a major way.

and whilst at it, the mindset and psyche of ' vasudhaivo kutumbakam' (the world is my family) under which the 'vaccine maitri' abhiyan prompted us to supply a lot of countries with the vaccine. For Free. And we've restarted it.

This earns us a lot of goodwilll, which just bland population numbers dont.

Such realities are hardly 'moot'.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You want to make PSL bigger than IPL? Here are the things you will need :

1) In order to bring people to stadiums you will need cheerleaders
2) Black Money
3) At least 3 months long tournament
4) Businessman and Lollywood superstars backed by corrupt politicians
5) Strong will to destroy International Cricket and hosting it anytime you want.
6) Putting players in a pick and choose situation.

 

[Sir Alex]

Shouldn't PSL be targeting to reach The Hundred or BBL first?

 

[ahaseeb]

There shouldn't be any competition or obsession with IPL. Viewership is much bigger so they can afford to pay more. I think PSL can however be the #2 easily if they plan it properly. I think they should extend it to associate countries and give their players and team a chance. I don't know if it's possible that an international team play in this tournament but can we have Edinburgh Lions or Khatmandu Panthers etc? This way investors from those countries may buy teams and it'll increase the reach. There's massive potential in countries from the Big 3 bloc so that should be tapped. Why not have a team from Tobago which their investor pickup and they include like 5 Pakistani players and 6 could be foreigners and similarly games could be played in different venues too. Frankly, this is a long shot but I don't know but maybe Tobago vs Edinberg could be hosted in Scotland.

 

[MenInG]

Salaries comparison:

Although players will now play more matches in the IPL as they have ten teams in the 2022 season, they follow a double round-robin format compared to six teams in the HBL PSL who play fewer matches as compared to IPL.

PSL offers salaries to the players according to categories:
Platinum category ranges between $130,000-170,000
Diamond category ranges between $70,000-85,000
Gold category ranges between $40,000-50,000
Sliver category ranges between $15,000-25,000
Emerging category ranges between $5,000-7,500

Source: CricketPakistan

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why does PSL need to compete with any other league?.Do other leagues like BBL,CPL etc worry about IPL?.T20 leagues provide entertainment to local people.They also give a chance to emerging players to showcase their talent.People should stop discussing PSL vs IPL.These leagues are from two different countries and have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Mamoon]

It can’t be. It is like asking why can’t an auto rickshaw be upgraded to a Ferrari.

IPL is a different animal. It is bigger than Pakistan cricket itself, and the the most coveted trophy in T20 cricket alongside the World T20.

 

[Rana]

It can’t be. It is like asking why can’t an auto rickshaw be upgraded to a Ferrari.

IPL is a different animal. It is bigger than Pakistan cricket itself, and the the most coveted trophy in T20 cricket alongside the World T20.

IPL is a Ferrari with 120kmh local fast bowlers?

 

[redmaverik84]

Get in more sponsors, take the competition internationally, sell the teams involved and start auctions to make it interesting.

 

[Manunited18]

PSL needs to be played consistently for three to four seasons trouble free, then youl see the improvements across the board.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL is a Ferrari with 120kmh local fast bowlers?

Bumrah
Shami
Saini
Siraj
Umesh
Umran
Tyagi
Nagarkoti
Mavi
Avesh

All clock 140ks plus.

The fastest ball by an Indian in last IPL was 152.9ks. only Ferguson bowled faster.

PSL is nowhere close to the IPL. Not even on the same street.

 

[Rathore]

increase the teams to 8 or 10
play on the basis on home and away
Make a proper match schedule not like one team playing 3 matches in 4 days and other not playing a single match in 3 days
Pay platinum category about 300k to 500k usd

this way psl can be considered to compete with ipl but right now we r settling that atleast its happening each year, that is in itself an achievement. but now pcb should consider about expansion. A 10 team tournament will have about 100+ matches which is about 3 times more than now, means 3 times revenue will also increase.

 

[Rana]

Bumrah
Shami
Saini
Siraj
Umesh
Umran
Tyagi
Nagarkoti
Mavi
Avesh

All clock 140ks plus.

The fastest ball by an Indian in last IPL was 152.9ks. only Ferguson bowled faster.

PSL is nowhere close to the IPL. Not even on the same street.

Everyone on that list (besides Bumrah maybe) is a trundler

I’ll say it again

They are all trundlers. As for Umran Malik, give it a season and he can also join the great Indian trundler club that focuses on line and length with swing

 

[Pakpak]

Everyone on that list (besides Bumrah maybe) is a trundler

I’ll say it again

They are all trundlers. As for Umran Malik, give it a season and he can also join the great Indian trundler club that focuses on line and length with swing

What a terrible list. Other than Bumrah Shami and Siraj who are all the others

 

[finalfantasy7]

Bumrah
Shami
Saini
Siraj
Umesh
Umran
Tyagi
Nagarkoti
Mavi
Avesh

All clock 140ks plus.

The fastest ball by an Indian in last IPL was 152.9ks. only Ferguson bowled faster.

PSL is nowhere close to the IPL. Not even on the same street.

to bad most of the above players mainly bowl between 137-140kmh, ipl fast bowling like a run down house worth £1 on the market

 

[finalfantasy7]

Salaries comparison:

Although players will now play more matches in the IPL as they have ten teams in the 2022 season, they follow a double round-robin format compared to six teams in the HBL PSL who play fewer matches as compared to IPL.

PSL offers salaries to the players according to categories:
Platinum category ranges between $130,000-170,000
Diamond category ranges between $70,000-85,000
Gold category ranges between $40,000-50,000
Sliver category ranges between $15,000-25,000
Emerging category ranges between $5,000-7,500

Source: CricketPakistan

why would you get chris jordan for $480,000- not even worth the psl contract

 

[Kaptan]

Everyone on that list (besides Bumrah maybe) is a trundler

I’ll say it again

They are all trundlers. As for Umran Malik, give it a season and he can also join the great Indian trundler club that focuses on line and length with swing

It's ok.
Tudlers>Chuckers
anyday

 

[cricketjoshila]

Everyone on that list (besides Bumrah maybe) is a trundler

I’ll say it again

They are all trundlers. As for Umran Malik, give it a season and he can also join the great Indian trundler club that focuses on line and length with swing

Lol. Trundler. Wake up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

to bad most of the above players mainly bowl between 137-140kmh, ipl fast bowling like a run down house worth £1 on the market

https://www.iplt20.com/stats/2021/fastestballs?stats_type=bowling

Here is the IPL fastest balls lists. Check for every year.

PSL isnt worth 1 penny, if IPL isn't worth £1. Actually its down right insulting to even put IPL and PSL in the same sentence.

The most of the best players in the world line up to play the IPL. PSL otoh has a a handfull of foreigners, most of whom are over the hill.

 

[Barragan]

Salaries comparison:

Although players will now play more matches in the IPL as they have ten teams in the 2022 season, they follow a double round-robin format compared to six teams in the HBL PSL who play fewer matches as compared to IPL.

PSL offers salaries to the players according to categories:
Platinum category ranges between $130,000-170,000
Diamond category ranges between $70,000-85,000
Gold category ranges between $40,000-50,000
Sliver category ranges between $15,000-25,000
Emerging category ranges between $5,000-7,500

Source: CricketPakistan

Iirc, in the initial seasons the pay grade for Platinum was around $200k-$270k.

The max for Diamond was $140k.

 

[finalfantasy7]

https://www.iplt20.com/stats/2021/fastestballs?stats_type=bowling

Here is the IPL fastest balls lists. Check for every year.

PSL isnt worth 1 penny, if IPL isn't worth £1. Actually its down right insulting to even put IPL and PSL in the same sentence.

The most of the best players in the world line up to play the IPL. PSL otoh has a a handfull of foreigners, most of whom are over the hill.

yet again you fail, the website does show speed however it doesnt show every ball, ive watched and read articles from cricinfo and other sources and yet again the fast bowlers are mainly not indian.

So have commemtators and presenters such as ian bishop / holding / nasser hussain / atherton / bumble - even steyn came out saying many times that the ipl has far better bowlers from pakistan who touch 145+ regular with better accuracy - so keep dreaming.

dam right like i said you cant put psl with the same sentence of ipl - its comparing a run down house which is worth £1.

Ipl just doesnt have any good indians coming up - name me a player who can captain? has to be an indian, most of the good players in the ipl are foreign, the indian players are like that mystery spinner you had in last yr world t20.

bumrah still a defensive bowler - boring

 

[the Great Khan]

i was listening to a podcast with shane warne and a cricket host from fox cricket. They spoke about the BBl and what can be done to improve it. Warnie actually said that he thinks the BBL isnt even in the top two or three leagues anymore. In his opinion the Ipl and the PSL quality and entertainment wise are top 1 and two.
He also thinks the BBL is too long. And I agree with him. I feel the PSL has got the right idea. Six top quality sides that play over a truncated period. The cricket has been exceptional this year and its quite obvious that the sides are really going all out to bring in new techniques etc.

So to answer the question at the top, well we dont have to compete with the IPL. We just have to complement it. You cant compete with the IPL as its got the most money and has a window. We could look to get more financing which would help but otherwise we should look to keep the format as is and increase the quality of players. the cricket will be intense. I mean just look at Harry brook today. He has never played in front of a crowd like that. He will give us good word of mouth etc.

My firm wish is that one day we settle our differences and see some top indian players play in the PSL. That would be good fun. But overall i say look to increase the wages and financing while at the same time getting rid of dead wood players like kamran akmal etc..

 

[cricketjoshila]

yet again you fail, the website does show speed however it doesnt show every ball, ive watched and read articles from cricinfo and other sources and yet again the fast bowlers are mainly not indian.

So have commemtators and presenters such as ian bishop / holding / nasser hussain / atherton / bumble - even steyn came out saying many times that the ipl has far better bowlers from pakistan who touch 145+ regular with better accuracy - so keep dreaming.

dam right like i said you cant put psl with the same sentence of ipl - its comparing a run down house which is worth £1.

Ipl just doesnt have any good indians coming up - name me a player who can captain? has to be an indian, most of the good players in the ipl are foreign, the indian players are like that mystery spinner you had in last yr world t20.

bumrah still a defensive bowler - boring

Go to IPL website. Go to matches and you can view every ball's speed.

Holding Atherton Bumble dont even commentate on the IPL. Holding is a persona non grata in Indian cricket.

IPL is the epitome of league cricket, PSL is a poor copy which some delusional fans hype up. Players and even coaches leave PSL to work in IPL.

Where are these 145 plus bowlers? I heard one was caught chucking last week.

How many IPL teams are captained by foreigners? Almost all are captained by Indians. All Indian players play IPL and those making debuts are also from the IPL.

Indian team is in top 3-4 in all the three formats.. pakistan is below India in all the rankings.

PSL

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The IPL has historically been full of foreign captains.

What a ridiculous comment.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Go to IPL website. Go to matches and you can view every ball's speed.

Holding Atherton Bumble dont even commentate on the IPL. Holding is a persona non grata in Indian cricket.

IPL is the epitome of league cricket, PSL is a poor copy which some delusional fans hype up. Players and even coaches leave PSL to work in IPL.

Where are these 145 plus bowlers? I heard one was caught chucking last week.

How many IPL teams are captained by foreigners? Almost all are captained by Indians. All Indian players play IPL and those making debuts are also from the IPL.

Indian team is in top 3-4 in all the three formats.. pakistan is below India in all the rankings.

PSL

so again a typical useless post,,

1 - no the ipl website doesnt hold every ball speed - been on it- doesnt show it - clearly your wrong

2 - commentating can b done without being in the stadium - belogning to a sports media, he has voiced his opinion on fast bowling in india like most foreign commentators like shane watsn, dale steyn - indian doesnt have much bowlers who are fast or even skilled and like i said atherton bumble hussain all have commentated on sky sports via ipl showing, never heard anything othr than the same - lacking fast bowlers with pace and skill.

3 - like i said indian bowlers who you mentioned dont bowl consistantly at 145kmh - thr mainly at 137-140kmh - few time they hit over 145kmh - just like the website you linked with speeds.

4 - i didnt say how many indian teams are captained by foreigners - i say how many good captains are thr in the franchise (non) look at rahul or even rohit last few games for india - absolutely clueless and thr deemed as your best- wha i then said ipl is mainly known for its foreign players, we havent seen many indian coming through the ipl franchise - like i said that indian mystery spinner was a clear mystery left on our minds - he's like uri gellar

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

The reality is no matter how much PSL is upgraded, it will never be able to compete with IPL. A lot of people won't like this, but it's the truth. Now, others have been saying that becoming the second-best league is the main priority, which is true, and I'm pretty sure PSL is already the second-best league, despite the fact it has some major problems that need to be addressed.

However, what I think needs to be changed is the thinking and how the situation is looked at; there is no need for PSL to keep comparing to IPL, and there is no need to compare PSL to other leagues and no need to put PSL in this ranking list of best T20 leagues.

Instead, the aim should be to promote more interest within Pakistan, and gain interest from outside Pakistan, being more creative (with crowds, more promoting, possibly new types of matches etc.), ensuring franchises have become a sports brand (so that a person from Lahore identifies themselves with the Qalandars and so on).

And because the IPL is just too big and powerful, PSL must be as separate and independent from IPL as possible. And so the very first step to take is to move the window so that it is far away from IPL, which would be Late September - October.

(Obviously, Money is crucial, the team purses, salary of players are not good enough, and there shouldn't be salary caps).

 

[Savak]

The reality is no matter how much PSL is upgraded, it will never be able to compete with IPL. A lot of people won't like this, but it's the truth. Now, others have been saying that becoming the second-best league is the main priority, which is true, and I'm pretty sure PSL is already the second-best league, despite the fact it has some major problems that need to be addressed.

However, what I think needs to be changed is the thinking and how the situation is looked at; there is no need for PSL to keep comparing to IPL, and there is no need to compare PSL to other leagues and no need to put PSL in this ranking list of best T20 leagues.

Instead, the aim should be to promote more interest within Pakistan, and gain interest from outside Pakistan, being more creative (with crowds, more promoting, possibly new types of matches etc.), ensuring franchises have become a sports brand (so that a person from Lahore identifies themselves with the Qalandars and so on).

And because the IPL is just too big and powerful, PSL must be as separate and independent from IPL as possible. And so the very first step to take is to move the window so that it is far away from IPL, which would be Late September - October.

(Obviously, Money is crucial, the team purses, salary of players are not good enough, and there shouldn't be salary caps).

Agree with this. The PSL needs to have a different window. Anywhere bw June and September will be welcome.

 

[adil79]

IPL is a beast full of current international players who enjoy proper entertainment facilities, while PSL has retired and rejected foreign players mostly. Most of the PSL foreign players mostly do not even play international cricket. PSL is on par with BPL if not lower. Williamson, Nortje, Stokes, Buttler, Morgan, Maxwell, Finch, Archer and other modern greats who still play international cricket, play in IPL. It's not even close.

 

[Sidilicious]

The IPL has historically been full of foreign captains.

What a ridiculous comment.

Can you please elaborate. Your numbers don't add up.

Of the top 10 players with most matches as captains, 7 out of 10 are Indians. Top 4 are all Indian.

Of the 14 championships won, 11 have been won by Indian captains.

Given that 4 out of 11 players are foreigners, the number foreign of winning captains and most matches played as captain, is proportional to the number of foreign players.

So how has historically IPL been full of foreign captains?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Pakistan Super league has it spot on … High quality players … Fewer games than other tournaments making it a few weeks shorter … It’s leaves you wanting a little bit more at the end … Other tournaments don’t … <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1496442992164548609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ElRaja]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Pakistan Super league has it spot on … High quality players … Fewer games than other tournaments making it a few weeks shorter … It’s leaves you wanting a little bit more at the end … Other tournaments don’t … <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1496442992164548609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

vaughan knows exactly what he's doing lol. indians are so sensitive he literally plays them like a fiddle.

 

[Savak]

This time PSL has been a bit fatiguing. I guess its more to do with wanting the Australian series to start. PSL would have been an even better if the matches were held in different stadiums

 

[ChTab]

Don't know why so many Pakistanis are obsessed with IPL. IPL will always remain the best league in the world. PSL doesn't need to compete with IPL.

It just needs to be the 2nd best league in the world (which I don't think it is atm).

PSL needs to introduce proper home & away fixtures and apart from Quetta all other teams either have their own stadium or it will be ready by the next PSL (which most likely will happen after 18 months).

The tournament window is really important right before IPL was always a bad idea & now with a new league in UAE a new window is a must anywhere from June to October. A new window from June to October will ensure that PSL would get some of the bigger names in International cricket.

PSL needs to ditch play-offs. It needs to think outside the box either the top 2 teams play best of 3 final or 1st team directly qualify for the final & 2nd & 3rd place team to play an eliminator in order to qualify for the Finals.

 

[Punjab Kings]

As a fan of Indian cricket team i think PSL is way ahead to IPL....
In next few years Pakistan is going to rule over the cricket world.......
They have a lot of talent coming out... After every season of PSL a new star is born...


So PSL gave a lot to Pakistan cricket...
And our so called mega league i.e IPL have given us injuries of big players before any mega tournament... And more importantly IPL has made our players greedy..... Our players are giving more importance to franchise duty than national duty.....
Every effort our players are making is to keep themselves fit for IPL....
They less worry about World Cup, champions Trophy, test championship....

I will give you an example ...... For national duty Pandiya is unfit, while as for IPL he is not only fit but even ready to lead....

 

[U$ofA]

As a fan of Indian cricket team i think PSL is way ahead to IPL....
In next few years Pakistan is going to rule over the cricket world.......
They have a lot of talent coming out... After every season of PSL a new star is born...


So PSL gave a lot to Pakistan cricket...
And our so called mega league i.e IPL have given us injuries of big players before any mega tournament... And more importantly IPL has made our players greedy..... Our players are giving more importance to franchise duty than national duty.....
Every effort our players are making is to keep themselves fit for IPL....
They less worry about World Cup, champions Trophy, test championship....

I will give you an example ...... For national duty Pandiya is unfit, while as for IPL he is not only fit but even ready to lead....

Interesting the there are only two examples that keep getting mentioned. One is Pandya about preferring IPL over national duty. For the other way around the name of Strac is mentioned.

Both these names keep repeated over and over and in several threads. Like they are the only two. Are they?

Are there other examples? There are hundreds if not thousands of players and only two...yes two names?

 

[daytrader]

NBA, NFL stars invest in Indian cricket franchise

US basketball famous person Chris Paul and American soccer players Larry Fitzgerald and Kelvin Beachum have invested in Indian Premier League cricket aspect the Rajasthan Royals, the franchise stated Sunday.

The global’s maximum valuable cricket match has improved to 10 groups this year with new franchises Gujarat Titans and Lucknow Super Giants paying extra than $1.6 billion blended to make their access.

The three US athletes will be minority investors in the Royals, who won the inaugural edition of the Twenty20 tournament in 2008 under late Australian legend Shane Warne.

Financial details were not disclosed.

“We are extremely pleased to have Chris, Larry and Kelvin join us as investors who have seen the vision of the Royals as a truly global brand,” said Rajasthan’s lead owner Manoj Badale.

The IPL has grown to be the most popular franchise-format league for Twenty20, the shortest form of cricket, and has spawned many similar tournaments elsewhere.

It has also spread its wings to the United States, which will co-host the 2024 T20 World Cup.

“I am excited to have become one of the first US athletes to see the value and scope for growth in the IPL,” the Rajasthan statement quoted basketball star Paul as saying.

The 36-year-vintage, who currently took Phoenix Suns to the NBA Finals, already owns a stake in minor league baseball institution Winston-Salem Dash.

Rajasthan last twelve months have end up the crew — after Kolkata Knight Riders and Punjab Kings — to enter the Caribbean Premier League with a majority stake in their organization Barbados Tridents.
https://www.bolnews.com/sports/2022/05/nba-nfl-stars-invest-in-indian-cricket-franchise/

 

[Firebat]

Najam Sethi:

“Let’s talk about digital. PSL was only at the half stage, so I asked about our digital rating. Najam Sethi show used to have a 0.5 rating on TV, whereas PSL is getting a rating of more than 11. So, it would be 18 or 20, when it completes"

"Over 150 million people watched it digitally. It is not a small thing. At the same stage, IPL’s digital rating was 130 million and PSL's is more than 150 million. So this is a great success for Pakistan"

 

[offstump]

The key will be the next digital / tv rights deal. They can’t let it go to waste. Right now PSL is still very much a regional league, they need to expand its market globally. Season 8 was highly entertaining, the production quality was much higher than in previous years. With a lucrative tv deal they can increase player salaries, we don’t need to pay IPL salaries as that’s a different league all together, we can’t compete because the numbers just aren’t there but as a second best we are there which is a good spot. We also need to keep a close eye on other leagues being backed by big Indian $ as that is the market we need to capture. There is tons of emerging international talent out there which won’t get picked for IPL, the scouting in PSL for overseas slots need to get better; have scouts in SENA working at the club level unearthing these stars and bring them to the PSL.

 

[Savak]

The key will be the next digital / tv rights deal. They can’t let it go to waste. Right now PSL is still very much a regional league, they need to expand its market globally. Season 8 was highly entertaining, the production quality was much higher than in previous years. With a lucrative tv deal they can increase player salaries, we don’t need to pay IPL salaries as that’s a different league all together, we can’t compete because the numbers just aren’t there but as a second best we are there which is a good spot. We also need to keep a close eye on other leagues being backed by big Indian $ as that is the market we need to capture. There is tons of emerging international talent out there which won’t get picked for IPL, the scouting in PSL for overseas slots need to get better; have scouts in SENA working at the club level unearthing these stars and bring them to the PSL.

Can Pakistan's economy, advertising industry afford to pay 9 figures to the PCB for the PSL?

I know Najam Sethi once explored the possibility of registering the league on the Karachi Stock Exchange

 

[cricketjoshila]

Najam Sethi:

“Let’s talk about digital. PSL was only at the half stage, so I asked about our digital rating. Najam Sethi show used to have a 0.5 rating on TV, whereas PSL is getting a rating of more than 11. So, it would be 18 or 20, when it completes"

"Over 150 million people watched it digitally. It is not a small thing. At the same stage, IPL’s digital rating was 130 million and PSL's is more than 150 million. So this is a great success for Pakistan"

What's his basis for the claims regards to the IPL?

 

[gibsyhesperis]

The premise here is spurious.

The PSL is a standalone competition and has no reason, or capability, of competing with the IPL.
In football, the Bundesliga isn’t spending day after day saying how can we be the same as the Premier League. Different degrees of wealth in the two leagues (despite Germany being a wealthier country than the U.K.) different ownership structures, broadcast revenue etc

The standard of foreign player will not match the IPL because of the money differential, but just enjoy the PSL for what it is— comparisons are unnecessary

 

[Fenrir]

The idea of PSL is not to compete with IPL.The main purpose is to provide entertainment and unearth new talent.Pakistanis are obsessed with cricket.Other sports have been neglected.An effort must be made to revive hockey,football,squash,tennis etc.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What's his basis for the claims regards to the IPL?

His imagination.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

What's his basis for the claims regards to the IPL?

I think he was comparing it to IPL at that stage of development, I.e. IPL season 8, albeit I have no sources to back that assertion.

Anyhow it doesn’t matter. PSL should only concentrate on doing better against its own numbers, because there are too many variables to use IPL as a comparative benchmark.

Also, if there’s any league that’s got the potential to truly grow as a brand after the IPL, it’s the PSL. This is relevant, especially when you consider the Pakistani diaspora.

 

[Pakhs]

His imagination.

I think he was comparing it to IPL at that stage of development, I.e. IPL season 8, albeit I have no sources to back that assertion.

Anyhow it doesn’t matter. PSL should only concentrate on doing better against its own numbers, because there are too many variables to use IPL as a comparative benchmark.

Also, if there’s any league that’s got the potential to truly grow as a brand after the IPL, it’s the PSL. This is relevant, especially when you consider the Pakistani diaspora.

As usual people are taking this too personally. The OP question is how can PSL compete with IPL more than it currently does. Instead of start defending IPL etc people should give their opinion / idea of how that can happen or stay away from the post. This is not IPL Vs PSL post! its a question which is a good brain exercise, PSL has some limitation such as poorer country economy and smaller viewing public etc but despite that there must be some poster who can come up with interesting ideas?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As usual people are taking this too personally. The OP question is how can PSL compete with IPL more than it currently does. Instead of start defending IPL etc people should give their opinion / idea of how that can happen or stay away from the post. This is not IPL Vs PSL post! its a question which is a good brain exercise, PSL has some limitation such as poorer country economy and smaller viewing public etc but despite that there must be some poster who can come up with interesting ideas?

I was replying to a question an Indian poster raised about Najam Sethi, not to the OP.

I dont think the PSL can compete with the IPL but we have a decent product that we should be happy with, there is no need to look across the border for validation.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

As usual people are taking this too personally. The OP question is how can PSL compete with IPL more than it currently does. Instead of start defending IPL etc people should give their opinion / idea of how that can happen or stay away from the post. This is not IPL Vs PSL post! its a question which is a good brain exercise, PSL has some limitation such as poorer country economy and smaller viewing public etc but despite that there must be some poster who can come up with interesting ideas?

It’s all about money. Franchise cricket serves no other purpose.
It provides a commodity that the paying public likes and the board and franchise owners make a lot of money, as do players.
Hence, if the idea is to be more competitive vs other leagues (if that really is a desire) then there needs to be more money.
This (security issues aside) would mean the top international players would want to come which inevitably raises the overall standard.

 

[Pakhs]

I was replying to a question an Indian poster raised about Najam Sethi, not to the OP.

I dont think the PSL can compete with the IPL but we have a decent product that we should be happy with, there is no need to look across the border for validation.

It’s all about money. Franchise cricket serves no other purpose.
It provides a commodity that the paying public likes and the board and franchise owners make a lot of money, as do players.
Hence, if the idea is to be more competitive vs other leagues (if that really is a desire) then there needs to be more money.
This (security issues aside) would mean the top international players would want to come which inevitably raises the overall standard.

Ofcourse the franchise league is all about money, Good players will always find a way to the top without playing in T20 leagues.

PSL needs to pay more money to recruit even better players to go a level up even though I think its already a good product with most games being full house. T20 is anyway more about entertainment rather than quality so as long as teams are even and providing close games with plenty of 6s thats all is usually required to fill the ground up.

For me for PSL to generate more money and therefor able to buy better players etc will require rich owners who can afford run the clubs at a loss.. The current owners are locally based and reliant on Pakistani economy. They dont want to run the clubs at a loss as they dont have endless money etc.

 

[Fenrir]

PSL is fine as it is.It doesn’t need to compete with any other leagues.Renovate the stadiums,make good pitches ie pitches which have something for bowlers and batsmen.Guve chance to talented youngster by including two emerging players in every game.The standard of cricket is good.Keep striving to improve it.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

PSL is fine as it is. If you can recruit similar level of players at half the price, then it’s as good as it gets. If you can get a Rashid Khan for 180k instead of 1.5 million, then you are selling the same product at a cheaper price tag for your audience.

Off course you want the league to be lucrative enough for top players to participate but PSL can never get a separate window to operate on its own so the top players will always be busy due to international duties.

The only thing PCB can do is add one or two more teams and give them their home grounds to play their games on home and away bases. Once those little boxes are ticked, PSL will grow exponentially.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think he was comparing it to IPL at that stage of development, I.e. IPL season 8, albeit I have no sources to back that assertion.

Anyhow it doesn’t matter. PSL should only concentrate on doing better against its own numbers, because there are too many variables to use IPL as a comparative benchmark.

Also, if there’s any league that’s got the potential to truly grow as a brand after the IPL, it’s the PSL. This is relevant, especially when you consider the Pakistani diaspora.

IPL season 8 was in 2015. If he really wants to compare digital OTT access of 2015 to 2023 then i have nothing to say.

The most promising league after IPL in my opinion is SA20. But its only one season old.So i will wait to see which league takes the number 2 spot.