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Just wondering.

Have heard a lot about that there's an epidemic of alcohol and drug use among the elites of Pakistan - especially among their children Pakistan.
 
Just wondering.

Have heard a lot about that there's an epidemic of alcohol and drug use among the elites of Pakistan - especially among their children Pakistan.

You wouldn't believe me if I told you how common it is. I used to discuss it with my parents but they never believed me but thank God it came to the surface. I speak for Islamabad. In A levels school it is the normal. Smoking weed isnt even considered a thing with many now going into alcohol and other very serious sorts of drugs, many are even into the cocaine trap.

It started a few years back. People were initially reluctant to do anything besides weed but as they kept on doing it the pleasure decreased the they moved on to worse and worse things. Another thing is the ridiculously cheap price at which the drugs are available, so you can take a guess how much the dealers care about the quality.

I was one of those who never touched anything, parents never told me not to do this or that but I have personal hatred for smoke. So one of the girl one day asks me if I do weed, I proceed to answer her to which she replies other name for a cat (Cant type the actual word, PP censors it). The surprising thing is the number of girls that are getting into this, really catching up to the boys, equality for all. The statistics provided in the report are correct, 50% of the kids are into this stuff and this is clearly visible on the results. In our school almost 80 students appeared in A levels and only 4 got straight As (me included :P).
 
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Very common among bureaucrats and armed forces, especially Army.

A Pakistani General who doesn't drink is a diamond in the rough.
 
Kids who come from Pak to US seamlessly blend into the drinking scene at school/college, so I'm not really surprised at all. All of them pretty much admit that it's a norm in the Pak youth back home so coming to the US and seeing it is not a culture shock for em.
 
You wouldn't believe me if I told you how common it is. I used to discuss it with my parents but they never believed me but thank God it came to the surface. I speak for Islamabad. In A levels school it is the normal. Smoking weed isnt even considered a thing with many now going into alcohol and other very serious sorts of drugs, many are even into the cocaine trap.

It started a few years back. People were initially reluctant to do anything besides weed but as they kept on doing it the pleasure decreased the they moved on to worse and worse things. Another thing is the ridiculously cheap price at which the drugs are available, so you can take a guess how much the dealers care about the quality.

I was one of those who never touched anything, parents never told me not to do this or that but I have personal hatred for smoke. So one of the girl one day asks me if I do weed, I proceed to answer her to which she replies other name for a cat (Cant type the actual word, PP censors it). The surprising thing is the number of girls that are getting into this, really catching up to the boys, equality for all. The statistics provided in the report are correct, 50% of the kids are into this stuff and this is clearly visible on the results. In our school almost 80 students appeared in A levels and only 4 got straight As (me included :P).

Good for you man, stay away from that crap.
 
Good for you man, stay away from that crap.

Never touching this crap since I've have seen it destroy so many live in college. I had so many class fellow who could've been such good engineers, businessmen, doctors but are now in low grade colleges doing B.A and other useless degrees not of their choice and smoking away their lives. Extremely sad state of affairs. Hope the government does something about it ASAP
 
It's becoming more common now though I guess it's always been common but it's just that its more common in my circle than it was half a decade ago

Stay away from drugs though. Only weed is ok I guess. Some people get into too many hard drugs which is wrong
 
Sad to see such stuff happen. We are supposed to be a Muslim country. This stuff is haram. Should be illegal. And if it is then the law enforcement has to improve.
 
It's becoming more common now though I guess it's always been common but it's just that its more common in my circle than it was half a decade ago

Stay away from drugs though. Only weed is ok I guess. Some people get into too many hard drugs which is wrong

From what I have observed there is a mental barrier in all of us to try anything at first. Some kids in school will overcome the barrier of cigarette smoking and then it's gone forever and almost all of them will become regular smokers. Once the first barrier goes down then the following are much easy to break, every friend of mine who is into drugs now a days was a smoker before starting. So no weed is not okay because once a person will smoke weed the other things lined up will only seem more tempting. Say no to drugs, say yes daal.
 
Sad to see such stuff happen. We are supposed to be a Muslim country. This stuff is haram. Should be illegal. And if it is then the law enforcement has to improve.

Nah, you got it all wrong bro. Only thing haram in Pakistan is the way women dress. Drugs, bribes, rapes tou chalta rehta hai. Molvis hazrat along with the whole population seem to be awfully quite on the real issues that plague our society.
 
What's wrong with these chicks? They think they're so cool cause they do drugs, it's just gonna age them up much faster, ruin their appearance and give them nasty teeth. In America it's only the Pakistani guys that grew up here that do it, the chicks normally avoid that stuff.
 
Most of the elite have earnt their money through corruption so it isn't a surprise that this haraam money is spent on haraam things by their children.
 
Nah, you got it all wrong bro. Only thing haram in Pakistan is the way women dress. Drugs, bribes, rapes tou chalta rehta hai. Molvis hazrat along with the whole population seem to be awfully quite on the real issues that plague our society.

Thanks for your detailed post. Do most do this behind their parents' back? I have also heard that many of these families have bars in their homes.
 
Most of the elite have earnt their money through corruption so it isn't a surprise that this haraam money is spent on haraam things by their children.

Even if they have made it big based on hard work, there is an aspect of peer pressure involved. Drinking and drug use may be very common in their social circles. As Moiza said, it makes you weird if you don't do what they collectively do.
 
From my experience it's common enough throughout the classes in Pakistan.

Someone I know went to buy alcohol, I asked him where from and he responded from the police. If the police sell it , it cant be much of a taboo.
 
From my experience it's common enough throughout the classes in Pakistan.

Someone I know went to buy alcohol, I asked him where from and he responded from the police. If the police sell it , it cant be much of a taboo.

Police is entangled with gambling dens and alcohol suppliers. It is the most corrupt institution in Pakistan. Pakistan's middle class is fairly well anchored (at least, Karachi side). It is the elites that are going through a massive identity crisis.
 
I dont drink, i personally do not endorse drinking and i would prefer if my future wife doesn't drink. I come from a very conservative background in this regard.

But of late, i have more or less accepted that to adopt a stance that you will socially disassociate your self from someone who drinks or to just adopt the blanket attitude that someone who drinks is a bad person is just not wise, in fact it can be detrimental because in today's day and age when you need help from various people at unpredictable intervals in life, it is just imperative that you get along with everyone irrespective of their personal habits.
 
I dont drink, i personally do not endorse drinking and i would prefer if my future wife doesn't drink. I come from a very conservative background in this regard.

But of late, i have more or less accepted that to adopt a stance that you will socially disassociate your self from someone who drinks or to just adopt the blanket attitude that someone who drinks is a bad person is just not wise, in fact it can be detrimental because in today's day and age when you need help from various people at unpredictable intervals in life, it is just imperative that you get along with everyone irrespective of their personal habits.

Obviously you can be friends w/people who do bad stuff. It's just good not to spend too much time with them otherwise the bad habits will eventually rub off on you. :amla
 
Sad to see such stuff happen. We are supposed to be a Muslim country. This stuff is haram. Should be illegal. And if it is then the law enforcement has to improve.

So are many other things but people choose which one is more serious based on their liking.
 
Don't know what state of mind you have to be in to even consider drugs:facepalm:

I know this thread is about people in Pakistan but like even here in Canada, I know kids who smoke weed and I'm only in grade 9, I knew a couple of kids last year too who smoked, grade 8... 13 years old... Like why are you ruining your life you have so much better you can do but whatever some people are idiots.
 
Sad to see such stuff happen. We are supposed to be a Muslim country. This stuff is haram. Should be illegal. And if it is then the law enforcement has to improve.

My parents both grew up in Karachi in the 70s, they tell me that there was no ban on alcohol and casinos and bars were common place, but despite that people did not indulge in it. It is far more common now that alcohol is "banned".

The more you ban or restrict something the more people want to do it. Look at our Iranian neighbours. Their government is the most repressive and strict around, whenever these same Iranians come to western countries they are only Muslim by name. I have studied and worked with many Iranians and not one single one of them refrained from drugs, alcohol, pork etc etc.
 
My parents both grew up in Karachi in the 70s, they tell me that there was no ban on alcohol and casinos and bars were common place, but despite that people did not indulge in it. It is far more common now that alcohol is "banned".

The more you ban or restrict something the more people want to do it. Look at our Iranian neighbours. Their government is the most repressive and strict around, whenever these same Iranians come to western countries they are only Muslim by name. I have studied and worked with many Iranians and not one single one of them refrained from drugs, alcohol, pork etc etc.

Maybe sometimes, but not all the time. Every situation is different.
 
Don't know what state of mind you have to be in to even consider drugs:facepalm:

I know this thread is about people in Pakistan but like even here in Canada, I know kids who smoke weed and I'm only in grade 9, I knew a couple of kids last year too who smoked, grade 8... 13 years old... Like why are you ruining your life you have so much better you can do but whatever some people are idiots.

Yeah man it's terrible. I pray that Allah protects us from such evil.
 
Honestly I've always wondered how an entire country refrains from drinking alcohol in Pakistan. I know people drink through other means, but it still won't be a huge amount I think. In India, in colleges it's easier to count out those who don't drink. Moreover there is enormous peer pressure to drink, a lot of guys do it just to be not seen as uncool or an awkward guy and get into the gang.

Although there are perks if you're a non drinker as well. When all your friends are drinking, you can swindle the tasty meat side dishes from them.:yk

Anyway ban on alcohol is really a stupid thing that is coming up in India now. I do think that a blanket ban will actually worsen the situation. Without a ban, most people will be social drinkers which is nothing wrong. But ban may push them towards illegal booze which is really harmful to health. Moreover, I'm sure it won't happen because alcohol sales provides the highest revenue for most Indian states.:narine
 
Uncle was a general and we would go to these army meetings and everyone there would be drinking.

Amazed at how many people in Pakistan actually drink and do drugs.
 
Honestly I've always wondered how an entire country refrains from drinking alcohol in Pakistan. I know people drink through other means, but it still won't be a huge amount I think. In India, in colleges it's easier to count out those who don't drink. Moreover there is enormous peer pressure to drink, a lot of guys do it just to be not seen as uncool or an awkward guy and get into the gang.

Although there are perks if you're a non drinker as well. When all your friends are drinking, you can swindle the tasty meat side dishes from them.:yk

Anyway ban on alcohol is really a stupid thing that is coming up in India now. I do think that a blanket ban will actually worsen the situation. Without a ban, most people will be social drinkers which is nothing wrong. But ban may push them towards illegal booze which is really harmful to health. Moreover, I'm sure it won't happen because alcohol sales provides the highest revenue for most Indian states.:narine

May Lord Ram keep you safe and away from alcohol and deceitful women brother. Even i used to drink a bit when i turned 18 and at college most of my friends did and i succumbed to peer pressure. But thanks to the grace of Lord Ram, i never did it regularly annd i can easily say no if i wish to. :)
 
Maybe I have lived in a bubble all my life but in my experience some of the posts are a little exaggerated. Alcohol is common either in the elite class or in the lower class (as evidenced by frequent reports of working class people getting sick after consuming homemade alcohol). The majority of the people from lower middle to upper middle classes dont drink. While obtaining alcohol is not too difficult if you are resourceful it is certainly not openly available. The lack of easy accessibility, religious reasons and stigma associated with drinking mean that alcohol use is still not that common.

Drugs are a different issue. The elite classes are mainly into recreational drugs. The middle and lower classes are not really doing drugs for recreation. They usually get targeted by addictive drugs from our western border flooding the large cities.
 
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Even if they have made it big based on hard work, there is an aspect of peer pressure involved. Drinking and drug use may be very common in their social circles. As Moiza said, it makes you weird if you don't do what they collectively do.

There's enormous peer pressure. I had 11 good friend throughout school life and 6 of them are now into drugs. They can't get through a week without smoking weed. Out of the 6 only 2 started intinally and the rest 4 succumbed to the peer pressure.

100% agree will bewal, haram money has to come out one way or another.
 
Thanks for your detailed post. Do most do this behind their parents' back? I have also heard that many of these families have bars in their homes.

Yeah mostly do it behind their parents back, some parents even know but can't do anything since theie child goes into withdrawal symptoms if kept away from drugs. I haven't met many rich families but alcohol is quite readily available
 
Maybe I have lived in a bubble all my life but in my experience some of the posts are a little exaggerated. Alcohol is common either in the elite class or in the lower class (as evidenced by frequent reports of working class people getting sick after consuming homemade alcohol). The majority of the people from lower middle to upper middle classes dont drink. While obtaining alcohol is not too difficult if you are resourceful it is certainly not openly available. The lack of easy accessibility, religious reasons and stigma associated with drinking mean that alcohol use is still not that common.

Drugs are a different issue. The elite classes are mainly into recreational drugs. The middle and lower classes are not really doing drugs for recreation. They usually get targeted by addictive drugs from our western border flooding the large cities.

Alcohol use is very common and it's very easy to get it. Murree Brewery has warehouses full of this stuff and their still working hard to fulfill the demand, information is by their cfo. People usually drink alcohol openly in mountain, Pepsi dew bottles so you can't tell who's drinking and who's not. The only class staying away from drinking is the older middle class.
 
May Lord Ram keep you safe and away from alcohol and deceitful women brother. Even i used to drink a bit when i turned 18 and at college most of my friends did and i succumbed to peer pressure. But thanks to the grace of Lord Ram, i never did it regularly annd i can easily say no if i wish to. :)

Drink a bit or drink a LOT? 18 year old teenagers don't usually drink a "bit":yk

Btw when did I say that I drink brother?:srini

Ram willing, may you remain in good stead.:)

Jai Shri Ram.:sachin
 
I am sure it is as common among poor too. My ancestral village has so much weed plantation that most kids are on this stuff. Visiting the place made me so sad.
 
Drink a bit or drink a LOT? 18 year old teenagers don't usually drink a "bit":yk

Btw when did I say that I drink brother?:srini

Ram willing, may you remain in good stead.:)

Jai Shri Ram.:sachin

Not a lot. Once in 3 or 4 months only. Now not even that much. Only wine at times. Ram willing i will be able to quit that as well. :) :srini
 
Maybe I have lived in a bubble all my life but in my experience some of the posts are a little exaggerated. Alcohol is common either in the elite class or in the lower class (as evidenced by frequent reports of working class people getting sick after consuming homemade alcohol). The majority of the people from lower middle to upper middle classes dont drink. While obtaining alcohol is not too difficult if you are resourceful it is certainly not openly available. The lack of easy accessibility, religious reasons and stigma associated with drinking mean that alcohol use is still not that common.

Drugs are a different issue. The elite classes are mainly into recreational drugs. The middle and lower classes are not really doing drugs for recreation. They usually get targeted by addictive drugs from our western border flooding the large cities.


I agree with this.
 
The Pakistanis I've met from Pakistan at university or in a professional scope tend to be more liberal and open-minded than British Pakistanis, especially the ones from Karachi. Having a drink or going to clubs for night outs is nothing out of the norm for them. Don't know about drugs and I resent the implication that if you enjoy a drink socially you must be an unproductive druggie as well. Most of these Pakistanis I'm talking about are very smart and high-achieving.
 
[MENTION=139386]Jin Chacha[/MENTION] has nailed it. There's a lot of exaggeration here about how common and open alcohol use in Pakistan is. There's still a huge stigma and people usually keep it all hush hush so most of it goes on behind closed doors and even then only a small minority indulges. I can't speak for the whole country but up in my neck of woods(Peshawar/Islamabad), if you randomly pick a hundred people from across various social and educational backgrounds, chances are that no more than twenty to twenty five of them would be drinkers.

Drug use is a completely different issue and the use of the catch-all term 'drugs' is itself problematic because it lumps very different substances into one category which obscures a lot of the finer details. By far the most commonly used "drugs" in Pakistan are hashish/marijuana and heroin.

Hashish is a benign substance with very low potential for dependence(9% of long term users or something ridiculous like that) and few, if any, serious health related side effects. It's easily available and very common. If we repeat the random people experiment from the alcohol example, the number of users would be anywhere from 50(Islamabad) to 70(Peshawar). Personally, I'm all for legalization and make no excuses about my own use of the substance even to my family(it helps that my sister is a doctor who can talk some sense into them when they irrationally oppose it).

Heroin is a different beast altogether and it's one of the most serious threats facing Pakistani society. Pakistan has, by most accounts, the highest or second highest number of heroin being an unheard of substance in most of Pakistan 35 years ago. The massive rise in heroin use has also contributed to a soaring rate of incidence of AIDS, again from a very low base(40000 recorded cases in 1994 out of a population of 110-120 million).

When I was in South Punjab, there were about 50-60 people in our field office(almost from the Islamabad office) comprising Punjabis, Pukhtuns, Seraikis and Urdu speakers from various social classes and education levels. Since most were away from home, they had all the freedom to drink or smoke to their heart's content since the bosses were OK with it as long as it was after hours. An environment like this provides a good idea of who's into what since they're free to do as they please and have no fear of being exposed or chastised. Out of those 50 odd people, about 15 to 20 smoked hashish, two people did harder drugs(one did opium but very rarely, the other did cocaine, again, very rarely) and only two people drank, three if you count me but I don't usually drink unless someone has already set everything up since I don't enjoy it. Ironically enough, one of the guys who drank(and the one who'd usually procure alcohol) was a card carrying member of a certain proscribed organization and an extremist to end all extremists while the other was a Hafiz with some uncomfortable views about sectarian issues. Now in an environment where it was practically legal with no repercussions, three people out of fifty drank, ten to fifteen smoked hashish and two did harder drugs but only occasionally and this, in my experience, is fairly representative of the overall situation in Pakistan.
 
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[MENTION=139386]Jin Chacha[/MENTION] has nailed it. There's a lot of exaggeration here about how common and open alcohol use in Pakistan is. There's still a huge stigma and people usually keep it all hush hush so most of it goes on behind closed doors and even then only a small minority indulges. I can't speak for the whole country but up in my neck of woods(Peshawar/Islamabad), if you randomly pick a hundred people from across various social and educational backgrounds, chances are that no more than twenty to twenty five of them would be drinkers.

Drug use is a completely different issue and the use of the catch-all term 'drugs' is itself problematic because it lumps very different substances into one category which obscures a lot of the finer details. By far the most commonly used "drugs" in Pakistan are hashish/marijuana and heroin.

Hashish is a benign substance with very low potential for dependence(9% of long term users or something ridiculous like that) and few, if any, serious health related side effects. It's easily available and very common. If we repeat the random people experiment from the alcohol example, the number of users would be anywhere from 50(Islamabad) to 70(Peshawar). Personally, I'm all for legalization and make no excuses about my own use of the substance even to my family(it helps that my sister is a doctor who can talk some sense into them when they irrationally oppose it).

Heroin is a different beast altogether and it's one of the most serious threats facing Pakistani society. Pakistan has, by most accounts, the highest or second highest number of heroin being an unheard of substance in most of Pakistan 35 years ago. The massive rise in heroin use has also contributed to a soaring rate of incidence of AIDS, again from a very low base(40000 recorded cases in 1994 out of a population of 110-120 million).

When I was in South Punjab, there were about 50-60 people in our field office(almost from the Islamabad office) comprising Punjabis, Pukhtuns, Seraikis and Urdu speakers from various social classes and education levels. Since most were away from home, they had all the freedom to drink or smoke to their heart's content since the bosses were OK with it as long as it was after hours. An environment like this provides a good idea of who's into what since they're free to do as they please and have no fear of being exposed or chastised. Out of those 50 odd people, about 15 to 20 smoked hashish, two people did harder drugs(one did opium but very rarely, the other did cocaine, again, very rarely) and only two people drank, three if you count me but I don't usually drink unless someone has already set everything up since I don't enjoy it. Ironically enough, one of the guys who drank(and the one who'd usually procure alcohol) was a card carrying member of a certain proscribed organization and an extremist to end all extremists while the other was a Hafiz with some uncomfortable views about sectarian issues. Now in an environment where it was practically legal with no repercussions, three people out of fifty drank, ten to fifteen smoked hashish and two did harder drugs but only occasionally and this, in my experience, is fairly representative of the overall situation in Pakistan.

Good post but the people you talk about are older and mature people who have a bit of self-control. You'll see these numbers double when you move into the A levels class and teens in generals.
 
Good post but the people you talk about are older and mature people who have a bit of self-control. You'll see these numbers double when you move into the A levels class and teens in generals.

In my experience - mostly based on my own time in a high end private school in Mush era Islamabad, the supposed breeding ground for such activities, and from what I've seen among younger relatives still in school - it's still pretty rare. There are a few schools/colleges where alcohol and drug use really is off the charts but they're few and far between and definitely not enough to have much of an impact on the larger picture.
 
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In my experience - mostly based on my own time in a high end private school in Mush era Islamabad, the supposed breeding ground for such activities, and from what I've seen among younger relatives still in school - it's still pretty rare. There are a few schools/colleges where alcohol and drug use really is off the charts but they're few and far between and definitely not enough to have much of an impact on the larger picture.

May I ask how long ago were you in college? This academy culture which has crept in colleges now a days has started this mess. Yes
 
May I ask how long ago were you in college? This academy culture which has crept in colleges now a days has started this mess. Yes

Did my A Levels in 2006. Academy culture hasn't crept in 'nowadays', it was well established and thriving as far back as 2002-03.
 
May I ask how long ago were you in college? This academy culture which has crept in colleges now a days has started this mess. Yes

In my experience - mostly based on my own time in a high end private school in Mush era Islamabad, the supposed breeding ground for such activities, and from what I've seen among younger relatives still in school - it's still pretty rare. There are a few schools/colleges where alcohol and drug use really is off the charts but they're few and far between and definitely not enough to have much of an impact on the larger picture.

May I ask how long ago were you in college?

This academy culture which has crept in colleges now a days has started this mess. Yes it is much common in private schools but slowly it is creeping into the government schools and colleges too because of the interactions of the 2 different classes of student outside of their schools. 60% of my friends are into this stuff, I and my friend of from the middle-middle class so you can take a guess about the situation in the middle-upper and the upper side.
 
May I ask how long ago were you in college?

This academy culture which has crept in colleges now a days has started this mess. Yes it is much common in private schools but slowly it is creeping into the government schools and colleges too because of the interactions of the 2 different classes of student outside of their schools. 60% of my friends are into this stuff, I and my friend of from the middle-middle class so you can take a guess about the situation in the middle-upper and the upper side.

Upper middle and upper(not including the very top of upper class, the 1 percenters/elite) are the most conservative classes so, if anything, alcohol and drug use is lower among these classes. Keep in mind that 'upper' class refers to a lot more than what's usually called the 'elite class' in Pakistan and the regular upper class(say, the top 10-15% in terms of wealth and income) is quite a bit more religious and conservative than the country as a whole though they still don't hold a candle to the middle class(not including lower-middle) which goes beyond conservative and into extremist territory as a rule(as opposed to the exception). These things are usually prevalent among the true one percenters(elite in Pakistani terms) who're so few that they have zero impact on overall averages and lower/lower-middle classes who are relatively less religious/extreme compared to their richer peers.
 
Did my A Levels in 2006. Academy culture hasn't crept in 'nowadays', it was well established and thriving as far back as 2002-03.

You are ancient, man :kohli

It was but can you give an estimate of what percent of students attended academies? I kid you not 90% of the students were attending academies a year ago and this is common in all private schools now. These academies have become a hub for drug use, the most notable being the one near Allah wali market in f8.
 
You are ancient, man :kohli

It was but can you give an estimate of what percent of students attended academies? I kid you not 90% of the students were attending academies a year ago and this is common in all private schools now. These academies have become a hub for drug use, the most notable being the one near Allah wali market in f8.

It wasn't 90% but still pretty high at between 50-70%.

Edit: And what do you mean by ancient? I'm still a fresh faced youngsta beauty who has a few years before breaching the official threshold of being 'ancient' i.e the 30s.
 
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Good post but the people you talk about are older and mature people who have a bit of self-control. You'll see these numbers double when you move into the A levels class and teens in generals.


What is the % of Pakistani Population who do O & A levels ?


More than 95 % Pakistani Population cannot afford to do O or A levels because of Financial Constraints.

Even if 50 % of those 5 % consume drugs or alcohol than does it mean than Majority Pakistani Youth is into drinking and drugs ?
 
^Exactly. One has to be very careful generalizing anything in a country as large and diverse as Pakistan. Let alone A-Level vs government schools, a large proportion of our population does't even live in big cities and the environment in the rural areas is completely different. An average Pakistani teenager doesn't have the luxury to get involved in these things even if he wants to due to financial and cultural constraints.
 
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What is the % of Pakistani Population who do O & A levels ?


More than 95 % Pakistani Population cannot afford to do O or A levels because of Financial Constraints.

Even if 50 % of those 5 % consume drugs or alcohol than does it mean than Majority Pakistani Youth is into drinking and drugs ?

The question OP asked was to address the report presented to the cabinet a couple of days back which specified the drug use in the private school in the cities. I can't speak for the rural area since I've never had any exposure to people from those areas
 
The question OP asked was to address the report presented to the cabinet a couple of days back which specified the drug use in the private school in the cities. I can't speak for the rural area since I've never had any exposure to people from those areas


Actually the thread took a Turn as if huge number of Pakistani Youth (high %) is doing this that is what Jin Chacha, DW44 and I am pointing at that this is not the Case.


I hope We Curb this menace.

I am glad you showed restraint and it benefitted you aswell. I pray that May Allah keep you on the Same track for long.


Stay Blessed.
 
^Exactly. One has to be very careful generalizing anything in a country as large and diverse as Pakistan. Let alone A-Level vs government schools, a large proportion of our population does't even live in big cities and the environment in the rural areas is completely different. An average Pakistani teenager doesn't have the luxury to get involved in these things even if he wants to due to financial and cultural constraints.


Yes. I agree.
 
Actually the thread took a Turn as if huge number of Pakistani Youth (high %) is doing this that is what Jin Chacha, DW44 and I am pointing at that this is not the Case.


I hope We Curb this menace.

I am glad you showed restraint and it benefitted you aswell. I pray that May Allah keep you on the Same track for long.


Stay Blessed.

Yeah I get what you are trying to say. The report which is question had the wrong headline. It should specifically state that this problem exists in the private schools of the big cities of pakistan and not everywhere. However I can assure you that the statistics mentioned in the report are true for the private schools as I have seen it with my own eyes. Im really happy someone brought this up and soon IA they will take steps against the drug dealers (one decent thing the govt has done uptill now).
 
It wasn't 90% but still pretty high at between 50-70%.

Edit: And what do you mean by ancient? I'm still a fresh faced youngsta beauty who has a few years before breaching the official threshold of being 'ancient' i.e the 30s.

I did my Alevels in 2009 and if you did it in 2006 you are minimum 28-29. I won't say you are too far off from that threshold :afridi

The actual threshold is 35. So still I have a decade to go before I'm officially ancient.

Even in my era going to tuition centers was becoming increasingly common and most people did it because it was a means of hanging out with friends outside of school as well. Also to 'socialize'..
 
I did my Alevels in 2009 and if you did it in 2006 you are minimum 28-29. I won't say you are too far off from that threshold :afridi

The actual threshold is 35. So still I have a decade to go before I'm officially ancient.

Even in my era going to tuition centers was becoming increasingly common and most people did it because it was a means of hanging out with friends outside of school as well. Also to 'socialize'..

27 and four months. I did the first and second grade in one year - my family moved from Karachi to Pano Aqil when I was halfway through first grade and I started midway through second grade there because the school there was behind my school in Karachi. I turned 17 a week after my last A'Level exam.
 
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Sad to see such stuff happen. We are supposed to be a Muslim country. This stuff is haram. Should be illegal. And if it is then the law enforcement has to improve.

It also happens in Iran and Saudi Arabia too, there's no such thing as a 'Muslim utopia'.
 
I don't know about drinking but drugs are disturbingly common from what we observed during our last visit to Pak in '14-'15.

Talking about rich kids here.
 
When I was in South Punjab, there were about 50-60 people in our field office(almost from the Islamabad office) comprising Punjabis, Pukhtuns, Seraikis and Urdu speakers from various social classes and education levels. Since most were away from home, they had all the freedom to drink or smoke to their heart's content since the bosses were OK with it as long as it was after hours. An environment like this provides a good idea of who's into what since they're free to do as they please and have no fear of being exposed or chastised. Out of those 50 odd people, about 15 to 20 smoked hashish, two people did harder drugs(one did opium but very rarely, the other did cocaine, again, very rarely) and only two people drank, three if you count me but I don't usually drink unless someone has already set everything up since I don't enjoy it. Ironically enough, one of the guys who drank(and the one who'd usually procure alcohol) was a card carrying member of a certain proscribed organization and an extremist to end all extremists while the other was a Hafiz with some uncomfortable views about sectarian issues. Now in an environment where it was practically legal with no repercussions, three people out of fifty drank, ten to fifteen smoked hashish and two did harder drugs but only occasionally and this, in my experience, is fairly representative of the overall situation in Pakistan.

Downright the worst thing about Pakistani population. Hypocrites to the core.
 
Downright the worst thing about Pakistani population. Hypocrites to the core.

I won't say hypocrites, but Pakistanis focus more on the aspects of Islam that are more 'visible' rather than the ones that show actual spirituality.


They would wear shalwar above ankles, keep beards, add Inshallah, Mashallah after every sentence, scream at anybody who is drinking water using left hand. All these actions are done to show the people how "pious" they are, but when it comes to actually following Islam, like not lying, cheating, giving bribe or abiding the law in general then their Islam and piousness goes missing.
 
Yeah because by banning things, they automatically disappear, right?

Worked out so well for Iran and Saudi Arabia, didn't it?

There is no reason to allow Alcohol to please amnesty international!

it stopped many others from getting addicted so it does work
 
There is no reason to allow Alcohol to please amnesty international!

it stopped many others from getting addicted so it does work

I bet you live in the West yet you advocate banning things you don't like :rolleyes:

By your logic, I suppose banning hijab has been successful then.
 
I won't say hypocrites, but Pakistanis focus more on the aspects of Islam that are more 'visible' rather than the ones that show actual spirituality.


They would wear shalwar above ankles, keep beards, add Inshallah, Mashallah after every sentence, scream at anybody who is drinking water using left hand. All these actions are done to show the people how "pious" they are, but when it comes to actually following Islam, like not lying, cheating, giving bribe or abiding the law in general then their Islam and piousness goes missing.

Don't forget they call non-Muslims filthy and unclean yet every street in Pakistan is littered with trash and filth.
 
I bet you live in the West yet you advocate banning things you don't like :rolleyes:

By your logic, I suppose banning hijab has been successful then.

dont get personel

you dont know where I live although if you could read a few threads around here other than those ridiculing Islam you could easily find out
 
I won't say hypocrites, but Pakistanis focus more on the aspects of Islam that are more 'visible' rather than the ones that show actual spirituality.


They would wear shalwar above ankles, keep beards, add Inshallah, Mashallah after every sentence, scream at anybody who is drinking water using left hand. All these actions are done to show the people how "pious" they are, but when it comes to actually following Islam, like not lying, cheating, giving bribe or abiding the law in general then their Islam and piousness goes missing.

Not all Pakistanis are like that.
 
It just depends on what values are important to your family and how you were brought up. Not a single elder in my family has ever engaged in drugs, even cigarettes were a huge no, no, and because of that none of my cousins who live there ever got into this either.

The most we've done is flavored hookah/shisha and even that was never an addiction.
 
It just depends on what values are important to your family and how you were brought up. Not a single elder in my family has ever engaged in drugs, even cigarettes were a huge no, no, and because of that none of my cousins who live there ever got into this either.

The most we've done is flavored hookah/shisha and even that was never an addiction.

I disagree. 3 of my friends who got into drugs were brought up in a very ideal way with very good values. All of them had good families who focus on good religious and social values and each of them knew the consequences of drugs by they still fell for it.

I think it's more of a person to person thing, some people are naturally more prone to fall for temptation and some are not. Once you try the stuff then it's game over. So eventually some will resist the temptation and some won't.

Peer pressure also plays a big role. When more than half of your friends smoke this stuff around you everyday eventually you'll give in to the temptation too.

Drug usage is getting scarily high in universities like lums, someone should take notice before it gets out of hand.
 
I disagree. 3 of my friends who got into drugs were brought up in a very ideal way with very good values. All of them had good families who focus on good religious and social values and each of them knew the consequences of drugs by they still fell for it.

I think it's more of a person to person thing, some people are naturally more prone to fall for temptation and some are not. Once you try the stuff then it's game over. So eventually some will resist the temptation and some won't.

Peer pressure also plays a big role. When more than half of your friends smoke this stuff around you everyday eventually you'll give in to the temptation too.

Drug usage is getting scarily high in universities like lums, someone should take notice before it gets out of hand.

Of course, your friend circle plays a big role too. If a kid has a good family and good friends, it is highly unlikely that he'll get into these things.
 
It just depends on what values are important to your family and how you were brought up. Not a single elder in my family has ever engaged in drugs, even cigarettes were a huge no, no, and because of that none of my cousins who live there ever got into this either.

The most we've done is flavored hookah/shisha and even that was never an addiction.

Did you grow up in Canada?

If so, then massive kudos to your upbringing and family. I personally know alot of desis who were born here and fell by the wayside just to fit in with the "cool" crowd.
 
Most of the elite have earnt their money through corruption so it isn't a surprise that this haraam money is spent on haraam things by their children.

Not surprised many of the elites children are murtads, many 'elite' generals send their kids abroad for education many come back murtads, no surprise there, kids brought up on haram money will literally be corrupt and have poor morals.
 
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Did you grow up in Canada?

If so, then massive kudos to your upbringing and family. I personally know alot of desis who were born here and fell by the wayside just to fit in with the "cool" crowd.

You don't need to drink to be "cool". I drink all the time and I was never considered "cool" ever. I must say, desis must stay away from alcohol as much as possible, they go nuts when under the influence of alcohol.

Worst kinds of people to consume alcohol.

1. Punjabis (India)
2. White college girls
3. Tamils
4. Arabs
 
I just came back from pak.

While in Lahore my cosin took me to a party in Bahria Town and it was quite wild, i have been to my share of parties in London but i had not seen anything like this before, drugs freely flowing everywhere, cocaine, ectasy you name it, weed is child play in Pakistan. Girls getting drunk and taking there tops off, it was the wildest party i had ever seen and ive been to some wild places in Vegas and London.

The problem i saw is this:
Drugs use is very common among everyone due to how cheap they are.
Alcohol is less common due to it being on the expensive side.

Weed was so cheap it was unbelievable, pakistan is a heaven for drug addicts.

It has become embedded in the culture now, its how the youth is growing up, smoke up and hire prositutes, being the ultimately entainment for them.
 
I just came back from pak.

While in Lahore my cosin took me to a party in Bahria Town and it was quite wild, i have been to my share of parties in London but i had not seen anything like this before, drugs freely flowing everywhere, cocaine, ectasy you name it, weed is child play in Pakistan. Girls getting drunk and taking there tops off, it was the wildest party i had ever seen and ive been to some wild places in Vegas and London.

The problem i saw is this:
Drugs use is very common among everyone due to how cheap they are.
Alcohol is less common due to it being on the expensive side.

Weed was so cheap it was unbelievable, pakistan is a heaven for drug addicts.

It has become embedded in the culture now, its how the youth is growing up, smoke up and hire prositutes, being the ultimately entainment for them.

Is there any new report on this drug problem. Statistics etc. What about parents? Don't they do something about all this.
 
Is there any new report on this drug problem. Statistics etc. What about parents? Don't they do something about all this.

A recent report highlighted this epidemic among the private school students in Islamabad. I don't know what's the methodology they use. It is mostly qualitative, so take it for what it's worth.

ISLAMABAD: Educational institutions in the capital are shocked by an NGO report that claims that 53pc of students at elite private schools are drug “addicts”, based on the findings of a survey of 44 institutions.

The Federal Directorate of Education (FDE), which looks after the affairs of public sector schools, is also unaware of how and when the surveys of public schools were conducted.

The findings of a secret report were shared with the Senate Standing Committee on Interior and Narcotics Control on Wednesday by Dr Maria Sultan, the director general of the South Asia Strategic Stability Institute (SASSI).

It claimed that 44 to 53pc of students at elite private schools use drugs.

“We conducted a survey of 44 educational institutions, including some public sector schools. Alarmingly, we found 43 to 53pc of students at elite schools – where students from privileged backgrounds are studying – were addicts. They are using heroin, hashish, opium and ecstasy tablets,” Ms Sultan said.

When asked about public sector schools, she said 7 to 8pc of students over the age of 16 at model colleges were “addicts”, while only 1 to 2pc of students at public sector schools were addicts.

Ms Sultan said the organisation kept the survey secret and approached most students outside their institutions, when asked why educational institutions and their main departments were not taken on board and when the research was carried out.

She also refused to share the report with the media, in order to protect the identities of students and institutions.

“We are ready to share findings, as we did in the standing committee,” she said, adding that enemies of Pakistan were targeting the youth and students by providing drugs at their educational institutions.

Ms Sultan called for comprehensive legislation to counter drug suppliers.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1291516
 
A recent report highlighted this epidemic among the private school students in Islamabad. I don't know what's the methodology they use. It is mostly qualitative, so take it for what it's worth.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1291516

Thanks. It is very scary to know this. i really hope this does not spread and the people/parents/police everyone do something to contain this. As the future will not be good if this continues.
 
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It is a really sad state of affairs. From an Islamic perspective, this just makes the existence of groups like the TJ so much more important.
 
Thanks. It is very scary to know this. i really hope this does not spread and the people/parents/police everyone do something to contain this. As the future will not be good if this continues.

Honestly. You can't come back from some of these things and when one is so vulnerable, it is so much easier for terrorist groups to recruit a person for their misguided cause.
 
Honestly. You can't come back from some of these things and when one is so vulnerable, it is so much easier for terrorist groups to recruit a person for their misguided cause.

I know one can't come back but i just don't want the people to be ignorant and not do something. Else in the next coming years pakistanis will have another big problem. Recently there has been articles about drug issues in indian punjab. One can't sit and think it is only in punjab sooner or later it will trickle down to other states. It needs to be contained. I feel that in subcontinent be it india or pakistan people wake up to the problem when it is too late.It is always the same story.
 
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