How did Indian pacers improve over last 2 years?

[Xoib]

Bumrah has been good from the beginning but Ishant,Yadav and to an extend Shami have been much improved over the last 24 months what have they changed to get this drastic improvement all three have been close to 30 when this improvement started which is very late for a fast bowler to make improvements.

So what changed?

 

[Xoib]

Also credit to selectors for sticking with Ishant and umesh they both were close to 30 with average close to 40 but they stuck with them and now seeing the benefits

 

[Shafi]

Indian pacers actually perform better than thier abilities due to their intelligence.
Like the bowler Prasad was far more impressive than Waqar who is nothing but a swing bowling machine with no intelligence.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Indian pacers actually perform better than thier abilities due to their intelligence.
Like the bowler Prasad was far more impressive than Waqar who is nothing but a swing bowling machine with no intelligence.

Do you mean Waqar Younis?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Indian pacers actually perform better than thier abilities due to their intelligence.
Like the bowler Prasad was far more impressive than Waqar who is nothing but a swing bowling machine with no intelligence.

what an asinine statement. Indian bowlers right now are the best in the world because of superior fitness and skills. They are not just good because they bowl smart.
Prasad is a mediocre bowler as he is very condition oriented hence his poor average.

waqar younis is an all time great. Don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli has given them immense confidence and has used them as strike weapons. Furthermore, their fitness levels are incredible. They are able to bowl with full intensity even in their third spells.

This is why for me Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test captain. Not only is he leaving everyone far behind in terms of winning matches, he has also changed the fitness and fast bowling culture of a country that had no association with fitness and fast bowling for over 60 years.

In addition, his individual performance has been phenomenal as well.

The scary bit is that he still has 4-5 years left to enhance his legacy.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Kohli has given them immense confidence and has used them as strike weapons. Furthermore, their fitness levels are incredible. They are able to bowl with full intensity even in their third spells.

This is why for me Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test captain. Not only is he leaving everyone far behind in terms of winning matches, he has also changed the fitness and fast bowling culture of a country that had no association with fitness and fast bowling for over 60 years.

In addition, his individual performance has been phenomenal as well.

The scary bit is that he still has 4-5 years left to enhance his legacy.

And his fitness revolution didn't begin until later. He was already an established player. It showed you don't have to be a "born athlete" or open your eyes on an Australian pitch to be really fit. He did it because he wanted to be the best he could be. Lessons for Asians team who have a running no-Biryani joke every time fitness is brought up lol.

 

[Shoaib88]

Because of BCCI investment on player management. I dont think any other cricket board manages their players as well as BCCI does.

 

[Savak]

Dhoni had the same bowlers, he could not get the same output out of them so the difference has been Kohli and his captaincy

 

[Shoaib88]

Dhoni had the same bowlers, he could not get the same output out of them so the difference has been Kohli and his captaincy

Dhoni didn't have bumrah, who is the best bowler by far

 

[Savak]

The fitness levels of the Indian pacers versus the rest of the world is the biggest difference. They can bowl with full intensity in all their spells. In kohlis team, if you don't buy into his manic fitness culture you get shown the door.

And we had a captain in Sarfaraz with a fat neck, face, belly

 

[Savak]

Dhoni didn't have bumrah, who is the best bowler by far

He would not have been able to use him as well as Kohli does. Dhoni still had Shami, Yadav, Ishant.

 

[Shafi]

what an asinine statement. Indian bowlers right now are the best in the world because of superior fitness and skills. They are not just good because they bowl smart.
Prasad is a mediocre bowler as he is very condition oriented hence his poor average.

waqar younis is an all time great. Don't know what you are talking about.

But failure in the big matches just like AB. He gave away 40 runs to a average batsman Jadeha where Prasad was the winner between the battle with A Sohail plus got the wicket of Ijaz and Inzamam.

 

[Xoib]

He would not have been able to use him as well as Kohli does. Dhoni still had Shami, Yadav, Ishant.

Yes Bumrah might be outstanding but apart from Shami who was decent at best other 2 were horrible and not test class but currently all 4 function like a well oiled machine its remarkable considering Yadav and Sharma were in the final third of their career.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The fitness levels of the Indian pacers versus the rest of the world is the biggest difference. They can bowl with full intensity in all their spells. In kohlis team, if you don't buy into his manic fitness culture you get shown the door.

And we had a captain in Sarfaraz with a fat neck, face, belly

Rest of the world? Absolutely not. Australian quicks can maintain intensity too - fastest attack in the world and they haven't been injured often either.

 

[Arya]

“You’re always hoping to let them bowl and bowl. But they just kept coming, bowling same pace, same areas. It was one of the best bowling attacks I’ve faced. They were just always, consistently there,” -Moeen Ali

"This (Indian) attack was seriously good, I don't think in Australia we have given them enough credit for how relentless they are. The three quicks bowled pretty good pace, they are relentless in pressure," - Tim Paine

Indian pacers being relentless seems to be the common theme in the praise they get from opponents. They are bowling their last spells as quick and as accurate as the first one, and that's the difference. None of this would have been possible if they didn't work on fitness. Another big factor for me is Kohli's captaincy. He has always backed his pacers unlike captain Dhoni.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ishant bowled inswinger, full length when he was new. Then he didn't do it for next 10 years lol Suddenly in the last 2 years he is doing it again. Basically he abandoned his stock ball for more than a decade.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Dhoni had the same bowlers, he could not get the same output out of them so the difference has been Kohli and his captaincy

Dhoni likes his bowlers to bowl short pointlessly. With Kohli bowlers bowl a lot fuller and straighter.

 

[Arya]

Ishant bowled inswinger, full length when he was new. Then he didn't do it for next 10 years lol Suddenly in the last 2 years he is doing it again. Basically he abandoned his stock ball for more than a decade.

His full length was getting phainta in ODIs, and that played a part in him avoiding that length even in Tests. Ishant has looked far better ever since his ODI career was put to a halt by selectors. He has been far superior as a Test specialist.

 

[Xoib]

All the talk about Bumrah but its incredible how good Shami has been right among top5 test Pacers currently

 

[jnaveen1980]

His full length was getting phainta in ODIs, and that played a part in him avoiding that length even in Tests. Ishant has looked far better ever since his ODI career was put to a halt by selectors. He has been far superior as a Test specialist.

His short ball got worse treatment. But he continued it for a decade and earned the tag short and wide sharma. That is not his natural ball. It is unbelievable there was no one to tell this.

 

[in_cutter]

Investment in the system & facilities

 

[Nov15]

Funny how India no longer prepares dust-bowl pitches since their fast bowlers are good now

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

It's Kaptaan saab. He is the golden boy of Indian cricket, he has high expectations and if you dont play out of your skins then forget it. He keeps a close eye on domestic bowlers.

 

[tyron_woodley]

But failure in the big matches just like AB. He gave away 40 runs to a average batsman Jadeha where Prasad was the winner between the battle with A Sohail plus got the wicket of Ijaz and Inzamam.

are you serious right now? I hope you are trolling. One off game in odi doesnt mean much.

Test cricket is the premier format and waqar had a splendid record in test cricket particularly in England, n.z and in his prime he was effective even in South Africa.

Yes he dint perform well against Australia and india but in India's case the pitches were complete roads and many bowlers struggled to bowl well in the early to mid 2000.

Overall his record and strike rate is far above any bowler during his prime. He is an all time great

 

[Rana]

Investment in the right coaching staff. It can do wonders.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Sarfaraz has one tournament win to show as a captain. Kohli has none.

If winning trophies is the only criteria, MSD is the greatest skipper ever?

 

[Pakhs]

If winning trophies is the only criteria, MSD is the greatest skipper ever?

MSD is one of the best captain of all time. Who is doubting that? I have no doubt if he was captain India would have won the last WC.

 

[Pakhs]

And the bowling has not improved in last 2 years - Only Bumrah has come on in this time. Rest are more or less same bowlers. They have played in exceptionally bowling friendly condition home and away in this period. Away from home England and SA made very bowling friendly pitches to negate India traditional strength of batting which to some extent worked. I mean even bowlers like Sam Curran was bowling like Wasim Akram has done in the past in England.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And the bowling has not improved in last 2 years - Only Bumrah has come on in this time. Rest are more or less same bowlers. They have played in exceptionally bowling friendly condition home and away in this period. Away from home England and SA made very bowling friendly pitches to negate India traditional strength of batting which to some extent worked. I mean even bowlers like Sam Curran was bowling like Wasim Akram has done in the past in England.

shami is world class. period.
ishant has been world class too. their averages since 2016 has been nothing short of phenomenal. Sam curran is a one dimensional swing fodder who does well in friendly swimg conditions. He would get annihilated on roads, bouncy flat pitches and SC pitches. shami and ishant have been good everywhere.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And the bowling has not improved in last 2 years - Only Bumrah has come on in this time. Rest are more or less same bowlers. They have played in exceptionally bowling friendly condition home and away in this period. Away from home England and SA made very bowling friendly pitches to negate India traditional strength of batting which to some extent worked. I mean even bowlers like Sam Curran was bowling like Wasim Akram has done in the past in England.

Exceptionally bowling friendly conditions at home that could not be exploited by Rabada and philander.

 

[Pakhs]

Exceptionally bowling friendly conditions at home that could not be exploited by Rabada and philander.

Rabada and Philander both only got to bowl on first day pitches and for that their performance was acceptable.

 

[Pakhs]

shami is world class. period.
ishant has been world class too. their averages since 2016 has been nothing short of phenomenal. Sam curran is a one dimensional swing fodder who does well in friendly swimg conditions. He would get annihilated on roads, bouncy flat pitches and SC pitches. shami and ishant have been good everywhere.

Shami is class bowler but not as good as say Rabada in my opinion and eventually that will come out. But in this short period he has played in extremely useful bowling conditions.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Rabada and Philander both only got to bowl on first day pitches and for that their performance was acceptable.

But Indian Pacers outbowled them even when you compare 2nd and 3rd innings of the tests. How do you explain that brother?

 

[Titan24]

Bharat Arun (Indian bowling coach) is the man behind this, he has done an excellent job. Never saw Indian pacers so accurate and potent.

 

[barah_admi]

The Indian pacers were not good enough to win a series against SA in SA or in England, so how much have they improved exactly?

This is the no. 1 test side and they got humiliated in those two locations, so much so, that even the Indian fans lost confidence and ticket sales dropped in England.

 

[Pakhs]

But Indian Pacers outbowled them even when you compare 2nd and 3rd innings of the tests. How do you explain that brother?

Its not same as bowling in the first day which take sit toll - both of these bowler out bowled Indian counter parts in SA.

 

[Arya]

The Indian pacers were not good enough to win a series against SA in SA or in England, so how much have they improved exactly?

This is the no. 1 test side and they got humiliated in those two locations, so much so, that even the Indian fans lost confidence and ticket sales dropped in England.

What? South Africa barely walked away with a series win, despite the toss factor going their way. England played a depleted India and won all the important toss every single time.

India had zero luck going their way, yet they competed extremely well mainly because of the pacers. I don't know what series you were watching.

 

[docteurmanish]

Kohli has given them immense confidence and has used them as strike weapons. Furthermore, their fitness levels are incredible. They are able to bowl with full intensity even in their third spells.

This is why for me Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test captain. Not only is he leaving everyone far behind in terms of winning matches, he has also changed the fitness and fast bowling culture of a country that had no association with fitness and fast bowling for over 60 years.

In addition, his individual performance has been phenomenal as well.

The scary bit is that he still has 4-5 years left to enhance his legacy.

You are probably a bit mistaken here

The biggest change is the reserve bowlers

In previous years of bowler got injured he would still bowl - v prasad and j srinath killed their shoulders as no backups were there

Right now bumrah is injured and b kumar
But u have saini siraj and Aaron besides porel and few other 140 k bowlers who can walk in .


The states have two good bowlers each and ipl helps them make financially secure

Kohli fitness culture is benificial to all players and his contribution is overrated

Finally bit of luck - he got peak ishant peak bumrah and peak shami and yadav at same time - due to a less talked about guy called bharat arun ( the amit shah of cricket I would say )

 

[Danyaalr01]

The Indian bowlers have their lines and lengths worked out perfectly. They are around the off stump at a good/full length continuosly at pace and hitting the deck hard. That is a recipe for success for a pacer. If you stay in that area then eventually the ball will do something and you potentially have a wicket.

It seems like Kohli has backed his pacers and told them to bowl full and quick. The fitness of the Indian bowlers is also quite good, almost on par with or on par with the likes of Cummins, Rabada, Boult etc. Because of their fitness they are able to stay in that area all day long at pace.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Shami is class bowler but not as good as say Rabada in my opinion and eventually that will come out. But in this short period he has played in extremely useful bowling conditions.

shami is better than rabada in sub continent conditions. rabada is better in South Africa and Australia. Both are pretty equal in England. It's actually quite close. shami has proved to be just as good in Australia recently. So not much difference and in my opinion shami will prove that he is better in New zeland soon enough.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The Indian pacers were not good enough to win a series against SA in SA or in England, so how much have they improved exactly?

This is the no. 1 test side and they got humiliated in those two locations, so much so, that even the Indian fans lost confidence and ticket sales dropped in England.

destroying and annihilating every freaking team in home and winning in australia for a start. india were good in South Africa too. England is the only bogey team left and that will change soon. No other team has won as many tests as india. No other team has dominated at home like india. Many teams have drawn and lost at home.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The Indian bowlers have their lines and lengths worked out perfectly. They are around the off stump at a good/full length continuosly at pace and hitting the deck hard. That is a recipe for success for a pacer. If you stay in that area then eventually the ball will do something and you potentially have a wicket.

It seems like Kohli has backed his pacers and told them to bowl full and quick. The fitness of the Indian bowlers is also quite good, almost on par with or on par with the likes of Cummins, Rabada, Boult etc. Because of their fitness they are able to stay in that area all day long at pace.

lol ? indian bowlers are fitter than all of them Including cummins and others. hell umesh is fitter than all of them.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Haven't heard anyone credit Team India bowling coach Bharat Arun for it. Had it been a go-ra coach, I'm sure he'd get all the credit even if people had no idea exactly what he did with the bowlers.

 

[MenInG]

Thread about how India have improved. Stick to topic.

 

[Savak]

In contrast the Pakistani pace attack including the golden boy Amir was operating at 127-132 km/hr in extremely friendly bowling conditions of South Africa for more than 60% of the deliveries. It shows the depths we have fallen to in comparison to our neighbors.

 

[ExplicitAI]

India's bowling attack might not be as talented as other countries such as Aus, Pak, SA but they've managed to work with what they got by being professional about fitness and their basic skills, this has allowed bowlers such as Bumrah to become the best in the world as of now. It's useless if a country produces talented players but the management is trash.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In contrast the Pakistani pace attack including the golden boy Amir was operating at 127-132 km/hr in extremely friendly bowling conditions of South Africa for more than 60% of the deliveries. It shows the depths we have fallen to in comparison to our neighbors.

I think the current lot has the same aggression that Pak team is known for from little that i have seen. Bowling is all about hunting as a unit.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Because of BCCI investment on player management. I dont think any other cricket board manages their players as well as BCCI does.

Australia does. India has more talent than Australia however. Australia basically has 6-7 good players across all formats, rest are mediocre. India can field 2 test class teams atm due to their bench strength, along with a T20 team which has completely different set of players

 

[JaDed]

Australia does. India has more talent than Australia however. Australia basically has 6-7 good players across all formats, rest are mediocre. India can field 2 test class teams atm due to their bench strength, along with a T20 team which has completely different set of players

Thoda Zaida hogaya..

 

[JaDed]

Better systems ,more exposure to world class facilities , hunger among younger generations.

For improving existing ones, BCCI should be given credit, they paid Shami when had to miss IPL, so BCCI got their backs on performing.

 

[Hyperion66]

India's bowling attack might not be as talented as other countries such as Aus, Pak, SA but they've managed to work with what they got by being professional about fitness and their basic skills, this has allowed bowlers such as Bumrah to become the best in the world as of now. It's useless if a country produces talented players but the management is trash.

LMAO you seriously believe Pak's recent attack is more talented? Yeh toh hadd ho gayi delusion ki Thank God we don't have talents like Hasan, Faheem, Shinwari, Abbas, Wahab, Amir etc. else we would too be languishing at the bottom in the two major formats.

 

[Savak]

I think the current lot has the same aggression that Pak team is known for from little that i have seen. Bowling is all about hunting as a unit.

Nope. Its all about Fitness and Strength. They don't work hard enough on their fitness compared to the Indians and are not prepared to make the dietary, nutritional sacrifices compared to the Indians.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is not rocket science.

Indian pace bowling attack used to be horrible. It is now one of the best (if not the best).

I think Indians have invested a lot of resources on their pacers (coaches, infrastructure etc.) and it paid dividends. IPL was probably a help too; it allowed their pacers to play alongside other world class pacers.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India's bowling attack might not be as talented as other countries such as Aus, Pak, SA but they've managed to work with what they got by being professional about fitness and their basic skills, this has allowed bowlers such as Bumrah to become the best in the world as of now. It's useless if a country produces talented players but the management is trash.

bumrah revolutionized the indian bowling attack. Ever since he came onto the scene, india has become a great bowling side.
There are still guys like saini, prasidh krishna, avesh khan waiting in the lines to get picked for test cricket. bhuvi who is a very good test bowler is not even getting picked off late.
Not to mention shubam mavi who is exceptionally talented.

Fitness changed everything. Kohli changed the mindset.

 

[Hyperion66]

bumrah revolutionized the indian bowling attack. Ever since he came onto the scene, india has become a great bowling side.
There are still guys like saini, prasidh krishna, avesh khan waiting in the lines to get picked for test cricket. bhuvi who is a very good test bowler is not even getting picked off late.
Not to mention shubam mavi who is exceptionally talented.

Fitness changed everything. Kohli changed the mindset.

Couldn't agree more, Bumrah is the best all format all condition bowler in the world. Kohli doesn't get enough credit for for building a formidable pace attack.

 

[ExplicitAI]

LMAO you seriously believe Pak's recent attack is more talented? Yeh toh hadd ho gayi delusion ki�� Thank God we don't have talents like Hasan, Faheem, Shinwari, Abbas, Wahab, Amir etc. else we would too be languishing at the bottom in the two major formats.

Prospect wise then yes definitely. India's is the best since they are a much more professional side.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Prospect wise then yes definitely. India's is the best since they are a much more professional side.

Prospect means nothing, all that matters is performance.

 

[Hyperion66]

Prospect wise then yes definitely. India's is the best since they are a much more professional side.

Kindly do explain the bold bit when you get a chance, I would like to know which metrics do you use other than performances on field to judge or measure talent? How are they better prospects? Just because you think so? I am sorry, am I missing something here?

 

[MP2011]

Haters of Indian bowlers in the past:

Indian bowlers are,

1) trash,
2) trundlers,
3) Tele tubbies, and what not.

We agreed with them. In fact we were even more scathing in our criticism of them.

Haters of Indian bowlers now:

1) Opposition was rubbish,
2) inexperience of opposition bats
3) toss disadvantage,
4) designer pitches to favour them,
5) BCCI buying umpires with their moolah,
6) conditions were bad for batting when opposition was batting, however they turned upside down when we batted.....

Have I missed out on any excuse?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Haters of Indian bowlers in the past:

Indian bowlers are,

1) trash,
2) trundlers,
3) Tele tubbies, and what not.

We agreed with them. In fact we were even more scathing in our criticism of them.

Haters of Indian bowlers now:

1) Opposition was rubbish,
2) inexperience of opposition bats
3) toss disadvantage,
4) designer pitches to favour them,
5) BCCI buying umpires with their moolah,
6) conditions were bad for batting when opposition was batting, however they turned upside down when we batted.....

Have I missed out on any excuse?

Indian bowlers don't have the looks, swagger or talent to match Pakistani bowlers. Pretty much an established fact . Also they don't have the aggression and in your face attitude of fast bowlers even if they are quicker in the speed gun.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Haven't heard anyone credit Team India bowling coach Bharat Arun for it. Had it been a go-ra coach, I'm sure he'd get all the credit even if people had no idea exactly what he did with the bowlers.

There's a very good interview with Arun on cricinfo this week and he says some eye-opening things about bowling technique and fitness. If that was a foreigner, people would be going gaga about it. Fact is a lot of people have a pitifully snobbish attitude to Shastri as coach and that taints their perception about the excellent job his team is doing.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Kindly do explain the bold bit when you get a chance, I would like to know which metrics do you use other than performances on field to judge or measure talent? How are they better prospects? Just because you think so? I am sorry, am I missing something here?

What I'm trying to say is that Pak produces bowlers with world class talent on a regular basis but the reality is that talent means nothing if you don't put in the hard work. India have invested lots of money into their domestic cricket which means that bowlers have fitness levels that are of international standard, so they can bowl for long periods of time. India's management is superior to Pakistan's so with the bowlers that they have, they make sure their bowlers stick to their original game plan and eventually results will come. The reality is that you can't complain about what you don't have but just roll with what you got. We can see why India's bowling attack is one of the best in the world.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Indian pacers actually perform better than thier abilities due to their intelligence.
Like the bowler Prasad was far more impressive than Waqar who is nothing but a swing bowling machine with no intelligence.

Bit harsh m8 eh?....For this indian fan...Waqar was ATG diamond and would make most world XI's across eras....lets not get carried away....any of our pacers have a long way to go to match 60pc o f waqar...

 

[Swashbuckler]

Let us give some credit to bowling coach Bharat Arun, he also did some great work at MRF Pace Academy, Chennai earning praise from the legend Lillee himself. Our spinners also appreciate him a lot, we underrate him because he is desi and a recommendation of Shastri.

 

[big_gamer007]

Haters of Indian bowlers in the past:

Indian bowlers are,

1) trash,
2) trundlers,
3) Tele tubbies, and what not.

We agreed with them. In fact we were even more scathing in our criticism of them.

Haters of Indian bowlers now:

1) Opposition was rubbish,
2) inexperience of opposition bats
3) toss disadvantage,
4) designer pitches to favour them,
5) BCCI buying umpires with their moolah,
6) conditions were bad for batting when opposition was batting, however they turned upside down when we batted.....

Have I missed out on any excuse?

Indian bowlers lack the 4 basic qualities required to be a fearsome fast bowler:

1. Jazba
2. Jaanbaazi
3. Daleri
4. Badmaashi

Without these 4 attributes, Indian bowlers will always remain teletubbies.
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

Indian bowlers lack the 4 basic qualities required to be a fearsome fast bowler:

1. Jazba
2. Jaanbaazi
3. Daleri
4. Badmaashi

Without these 4 attributes, Indian bowlers will always remain teletubbies.
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]

Dramebaazi too.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Indian bowlers lack the 4 basic qualities required to be a fearsome fast bowler:

1. Jazba
2. Jaanbaazi
3. Daleri
4. Badmaashi

Without these 4 attributes, Indian bowlers will always remain teletubbies.
[MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION]

Maybe...but we still are getting 20 in tests, 10 in Odis and heaps in 20/20....and yeah....the way we are going....we gonna produce heaps with those four 'basic qualities' that you have mentioned...and its gonna happen sooner rather than later....
...and yeah ...that teletubbies thing better be laid to rest

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pitching in more related to topic. Things that i see more but didn't see in the past

1) 2nd or 3rd spell are as intense as first. sometimes more intense. Indian fast bowlers alway bowled slower and slower in their 2nd or 3rd spell
2) Pitching the ball full most of the time
3) Almost all the bowlers have movements. Either in the air or off the pitch or both.
4) Accuracy has gone up significantly
5) you cannot call anyone a trundler as all have wheels.

Question will be how long can they sustain without injury? Whether new set of bowlers can repeat the same thing?

 

[Chrish]

Improvement in coaching at the grass-root levels.

Pakistan would do the same if they had the same facilities available to them.

 

[troodon]

Dhoni preferred Line and Length trundlers. He loved 120k gun barrel straight kumars. Its easy for him to keep wickets.

Kohli clearly loves his bowlers fast and aggressive. He certainly has some influence in the new avatar of Ishant, Shami etc.

 

[troodon]

Improvement in coaching at the grass-root levels.

Pakistan would do the same if they had the same facilities available to them.

Ishant and Shami were already there when MSD was captain. Its obvious that Kohli allows his pacers freedom to bowl fast and try out their skills.

 

[Chrish]

Ishant and Shami were already there when MSD was captain. Its obvious that Kohli allows his pacers freedom to bowl fast and try out their skills.

There has been an immense collective improvement in Indian pace department. Even if we ignore Bhumrah, they have Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Bhuvi; all skillful bowlers. This wouldn't have happened if not for drastic improvement in coaching.

And you are right, Kohli is the only captain we have seen so far who is really involved with the team selections. His predecessors were only interested in collecting a pay-check.

 

[Chrish]

Recent games sort of debunk the myth that India relies on Ash/ Jadeja by preparing rank-turners. Indian pacers have been just as successful as their spinning counterparts.

This Indian bowling attack is as complete as they come in SC.

 

[Hyperion66]

Recent games sort of debunk the myth that India relies on Ash/ Jadeja by preparing rank-turners. Indian pacers have been just as successful as their spinning counterparts.

This Indian bowling attack is as complete as they come in SC.

Couldn't agree more. Just so refreshing and heartwarming to see as an Indian fan.

 

[tyron_woodley]

since 2016 I barely watch indian batting. I tune in just for the bowling alone.
indian bowling is world class. A great potent attack for all conditions. Phenomenal bowlers.

Also indian bowlers are the fittest in the world.

 

[Hasan123]

A captain who believes in them. Than they have improved their fitness levels. They also bowl the right lines and lengths and have plans for all batters. Credit to all involved for the improvement.

Indian bowlers use to be the brunt of jokes, now they are one of the most feared attacks in today’s game. Could be the change of culture in India.

 

[Hyperion66]

since 2016 I barely watch indian batting. I tune in just for the bowling alone.
indian bowling is world class. A great potent attack for all conditions. Phenomenal bowlers.

Also indian bowlers are the fittest in the world.

Best thing about them is intelligence, they all know their roles and execute them with surgical precision more often than not. Ishant makes the new ball talk, swings it more than any other bowler in the world, Shami is perhaps even more penetrative than Bumrah when on song and absolute devastating with the old ball and Bumrah has got everything, pace, seam, swing, accuracy everything. Even Umesh has become lethal under Kohli and we always have Bhuvi for green pitches. Overall a fantastic and most complete attack in the world.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Best thing about them is intelligence, they all know their roles and execute them with surgical precision more often than not. Ishant makes the new ball talk, swings it more than any other bowler in the world, Shami is perhaps even more penetrative than Bumrah when on song and absolute devastating with the old ball and Bumrah has got everything, pace, seam, swing, accuracy everything. Even Umesh has become lethal under Kohli and we always have Bhuvi for green pitches. Overall a fantastic and most complete attack in the world.

mind you shami's average would be far lower if it wasn't for his poor start when he first came onto the scene. He was bogged down by injuries and that inflated his average a bit. He is back around 27. I have no doubt that he will finish his career with an average around 25-27. He is a world class top quality bowler and is easily one of the best in the world right now. I wouldn't take rabada over him. Rabada is only good in South Africa and Australia.

ishant too. His stats are misleading. He had a horrible mid career hence the poor average. Last 4 year's he has averaged around 23-24.

 

[silent ischemia]

Bharat Arun is one big reason. An exceptional coach. Far better than the Ws, Muhammad Akram, Azhar Mahmood and Aaqib we have here. Means to show you don't need to be a an ATG to be a good coach